Quote from: taxed on September 29, 2015, 12:43:54 PM
You can post links from people who know nothing about simple, basic economics all day long, but that doesn't mean rich people don't spend money and start businesses.

So the IMF knows nothing about economics now? 

"Trickle down economics" does not say simply that rich people spend money and start businesses. So stop posting this as "proof" that it works. What "trickle down economics" says is that is the theory that providing economic benefits to those with upper-level incomes will ultimately benefit society as a whole.

The IMF study proves that trickle down economics doesn't work. If you have proof that the IMF study is wrong, the onus is on you to post hat proof rather than parroting the same silly talking points. Yes, rich people spend money. No, that is not proof that trickle down economics works. If you can provide actual empirical proof that it has worked backed up with links to trustworthy sources and studies, go ahead and do so.

"Trickle down economics" has benefited those at the top, and no one else:

QuoteNo, there was no proof.  Your concept that poor people are better for the economy is just silly.

No. This is a strawman argument. I never said that "poor people are better for the economy". Learn to read. What I said is that trickle down economics does not work. Providing economic benefits to the wealthy does not provide any benefits to anyone else. That is not just a theory. Trickle down economics has been tried for decades, and the IMF study shows that it has not worked. Try reading the study instead of parroting your previous points.

Quote from: The Fiscal Conservative on September 29, 2015, 12:53:16 PM
So the IMF knows nothing about economics now? 

"Trickle down economics" does not say simply that rich people spend money and start businesses. So stop posting this as "proof" that it works. What "trickle down economics" says is that is the theory that providing economic benefits to those with upper-level incomes will ultimately benefit society as a whole.

You don't quite understand what you're talking about.  When Marxists (you) talk about "trickle down economics", it's another way of saying wealthy people hurt poor people.  That is a fallacy gobbled up by people who don't think (you).

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The IMF study proves that trickle down economics doesn't work.

No it doesn't.  Supply and demand works.  Poor people benefit from rich people.  Poor people can become rich because of rich people.

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If you have proof that the IMF study is wrong, the onus is on you to post hat proof rather than parroting the same silly talking points. Yes, rich people spend money. No, that is not proof that trickle down economics works. If you can provide actual empirical proof that it has worked backed up with links to trustworthy sources and studies, go ahead and do so.

"Trickle down economics" has benefited those at the top, and no one else:

Wrong.  The more money rich people have, the more they spend, save, and start businesses with, creating employment.  I don't understand why that's hard for you to understand.

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No. This is a strawman argument. I never said that "poor people are better for the economy". Learn to read. What I said is that trickle down economics does not work. Providing economic benefits to the wealthy does not provide any benefits to anyone else. That is not just a theory. Trickle down economics has been tried for decades, and the IMF study shows that it has not worked. Try reading the study instead of parroting your previous points.

You are so clueless about this topic that you don't even know your whole premise is built on a strawman.  The Marxists try and preach that these "benefits" are tax cuts, when that money belongs to the rich people in the first place, NOT government.  Allowing them to keep more of their money means they save and spend more, again, benefiting everyone.

Supply and demand is real no matter how much you want to say it isn't.  Sorry.

Quote from: taxed on September 29, 2015, 01:07:17 PM
You don't quite understand what you're talking about.  When Marxists (you) talk about "trickle down economics", it's another way of saying wealthy people hurt poor people.  That is a fallacy gobbled up by people who don't think (you).
No it doesn't.  Supply and demand works.  Poor people benefit from rich people.  Poor people can become rich because of rich people.
Wrong.  The more money rich people have, the more they spend, save, and start businesses with, creating employment.  I don't understand why that's hard for you to understand.

You are so clueless about this topic that you don't even know your whole premise is built on a strawman.  The Marxists try and preach that these "benefits" are tax cuts, when that money belongs to the rich people in the first place, NOT government.  Allowing them to keep more of their money means they save and spend more, again, benefiting everyone.

Supply and demand is real no matter how much you want to say it isn't.  Sorry.

Nope. I've provided two links proving that trickle down economics doesn't work (and I found a bunch more I can post if you'd like). You saying it does work and not providing any studies to show that it has actually worked in reality (and not in your pie-in-the-sky theory) does not make it so.

The onus is on you to prove that the IMF study is wrong. All you've done is repeat your same talking points ad nauseum without providing any proof. If you're right, prove it. All you've done is basically said "I'm right because I'm right".

Post proof that the IMF study is wrong. I'm waiting.

Quote from: The Fiscal Conservative on September 29, 2015, 12:13:32 PM
Wow. You really don't know what you are talking about. Fortunately for the politicians, most Americans are gullible like you. The pols depend on it.

I don't see any facts refuting what I said, so obviously you have no idea what you're talking about.
Oh, and trickle down does work.
I dare you to apply to a poor person for a job.

Quote from: Solar on September 29, 2015, 01:20:35 PM
I don't see any facts refuting what I said, so obviously you have no idea what you're talking about.
Oh, and trickle down does work.
I dare you to apply to a poor person for a job.

I provided two links to a study proving that it doesn't work.

If you're going to say that it does work, you have to disprove the IMF study and/or provide links to other studies proving that it does work.

Saying "oh, and trickle down does work" is not sufficient. Your proclamation does not make it so. If it works, show actual data/studies proving that it has worked (not in theory, but in practice).

Quote from: The Fiscal Conservative on September 29, 2015, 01:14:44 PM

Nope. I've provided two links proving that trickle down economics doesn't work (and I found a bunch more I can post if you'd like). You saying it does work and not providing any studies to show that it has actually worked in reality (and not in your pie-in-the-sky theory) does not make it so.

Sorry, you just don't understand basic economics, hence why you can't answer my questions and rely on links written by people who don't understand economics.

How many poor people have you ever worked for?

How does letting rich people keep more of their money hurt poor people?

How does  a rich person hurt poor people?

Does supply and demand work?

See?  You can't answer these, because you don't understand the topic, and don't have the intellect to handle these simple questions.  Economics is just a mystery to you.

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The onus is on you to prove that the IMF study is wrong.

No.  It's a false premise.  Poor people aren't hurt by the rich.  They benefit.  Sorry.

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All you've done is repeat your same talking points ad nauseum without providing any proof. If you're right, prove it. All you've done is basically said "I'm right because I'm right".

Post proof that the IMF study is wrong. I'm waiting.

It's like trying to prove Santa Claus isn't real.  I understand economics and have the experience.  You don't.  I'm right and can discuss it.  You can't, and just want to post links to Marxist sources.  Rich people benefit the economy and poor people.  In fact, poor people, on up, should take time to write a thank you letter to at least one rich person.  It would be a nice gesture.

Quote from: Solar on September 29, 2015, 01:20:35 PM
I don't see any facts refuting what I said, so obviously you have no idea what you're talking about.
Oh, and trickle down does work.
I dare you to apply to a poor person for a job.

I'd love to know what he does, but you know he won't say.

Quote from: taxed on September 29, 2015, 01:25:21 PM
Sorry, you just don't understand basic economics, hence why you can't answer my questions and rely on links written by people who don't understand economics.

How many poor people have you ever worked for?

How does letting rich people keep more of their money hurt poor people?

How does  a rich person hurt poor people?

Does supply and demand work?

See?  You can't answer these, because you don't understand the topic, and don't have the intellect to handle these simple questions.  Economics is just a mystery to you.

No.  It's a false premise.  Poor people aren't hurt by the rich.  They benefit.  Sorry.

It's like trying to prove Santa Claus isn't real.  I understand economics and have the experience.  You don't.  I'm right and can discuss it.  You can't, and just want to post links to Marxist sources.  Rich people benefit the economy and poor people.  In fact, poor people, on up, should take time to write a thank you letter to at least one rich person.  It would be a nice gesture.

If the IMF study is wrong, and written by people who don't understand economics, you should have no problem disproving the study.

You have yet to provide any proof that trickle down economics works. Not one link. Not one study. You are asking me to take your word that you know what you are talking about, when you've proven that you don't.

Quote from: taxed on September 29, 2015, 01:28:45 PM


I'd love to know what he does, but you know he won't say.

I'm a software developer. Mostly mobile apps. And yes, I work for a rich person. But no, that does not prove that trickle down economics works.

Quote from: The Fiscal Conservative on September 29, 2015, 01:31:11 PM

If the IMF study is wrong, and written by people who don't understand economics, you should have no problem disproving the study.

You have yet to provide any proof that trickle down economics works. Not one link. Not one study. You are asking me to take your word that you know what you are talking about, when you've proven that you don't.

I don't need to post links.  I know this subject.  You won't answer because I'll use your answers against you and expose your idiocy, hence why you won't dare answer.

Quote from: The Fiscal Conservative on September 29, 2015, 01:32:33 PM

I'm a software developer. Mostly mobile apps. And yes, I work for a rich person. But no, that does not prove that trickle down economics works.

You benefit from a rich person?

Quote from: taxed on September 29, 2015, 01:33:18 PM
I don't need to post links.  I know this subject.  You won't answer because I'll use your answers against you and expose your idiocy, hence why you won't dare answer.

OK, forget about links. Post some verifiable economic numbers proving that trickle down economics has worked - that policies benefiting the wealthy have also benefited the poor and/or the middle class.

Because to be honest, your refusal to provide any backups to what you are saying are making you look like an idiot. You talk about exposing my idiocy, but you have yet to provide any proof that you aren't an idiot yourself. You're like a fucking parrot, repeating the same stupid shtick over and over.

If you want to be taken seriously and prove that you know what you're talking about, yes, you do need to post links. You don't "know the subject" just because you say you do. Prove that the IMF study is wrong. If you can't do that, than the study is right.

Principled Conservatism never had anything to do w/republicanism, from John Fremont in 1856 to the present. The latter is nothing but low party politics, the avocation of frauds and hustlers; as the DC republicrat gang demonstrates daily.
As for our reckless spending and taxes, they are symptoms of a system of governance that has lost its way; no longer bearing any resemblance to the vision of our founders.
Our problems are deep and fundamental and economics is hardly the answer.

hhmmm.....  the economy always falters under democrats and rebounds under Republicans.  The exception to that was the voodoo manipulations under Clinton and the democrat controlled congress under Clinton and Dubya.  They gave us myriads of fiscally irresponsible Bills.  They set up the financial crisis of 2008!

This is the first time we have had a Republican controlled Congress in decades!  Democrats have historically blocked all attempts at fiscal responsibility.  It will take fiscal conservatives controlling the Congress AND WH before we get truly fiscal reforms.

Quote from: The Fiscal Conservative on September 29, 2015, 01:24:07 PM
I provided two links to a study proving that it doesn't work.

If you're going to say that it does work, you have to disprove the IMF study and/or provide links to other studies proving that it does work.

Saying "oh, and trickle down does work" is not sufficient. Your proclamation does not make it so. If it works, show actual data/studies proving that it has worked (not in theory, but in practice).

Yeah, two idiot leftist sites that can't stand Free mkt Capitalism is all y6ou posted.
The IMF is a Marxist  org. using Keynesian based economics theory. So again, all you've linked to is failed policy.
History proved it works, JFK could be considered the father of the concept, Reagan ran with it and the 80s proved it works.
But here's what you don't understand in the concept.

The money does not belong to the govt, it belongs to the producers, something JFK and Reagan understood.
They believed if people kept more of their earnings, the economy would improve, and the richest being the largest benefactor of said plan, would invest the most, and shock, it worked.

Now lets look at your version under the Marxist. How is the economy doing?
Well for starters, we're in the worst and longest depression in US history. The obverse evidence proves you know absolutely nothing about economics!