Quote from: Solar on January 18, 2020, 06:25:53 AM
I accepted your replies which is why I asked more questions you decided to ignore.
You do know the point of this "Discussion" forum, Right?
So I guess if you no longer want to discuss, there there's no point in you continuing, Right?
What's it going to be Joe?

What question do you have for me? You want me to predict the future of the economy with a minimum wage increase?

Well, 22 states are doing that this year...let's just wait and see how it goes.

18 increased it last year...18 year before...

No need to guess. It's happening.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/state-minimum-wage-chart.aspx

Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 06:54:17 AM
What question do you have for me? You want me to predict the future of the economy with a minimum wage increase?

Well, 22 states are doing that this year...let's just wait and see how it goes.

18 increased it last year...18 year before...

No need to guess. It's happening.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/state-minimum-wage-chart.aspx

Right here, where you made a statement which I challenged you on, and you ran away.

Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 06:50:26 PM
I'm advocating for American style central planning. We already set wages.

I then stated:
Central planning under any name you choose is Marxist. OK, so now you're advocating for central planning since you were able to set a living wage.
How will you save the economy now that industry had to raise their CODB and passed the increases onto the end purchaser, consumer, what will you do to assure the living wage remains intact?

Point is, every time you adjust one part of the economy, you adversely effect another. So how do you plan on fixing your mistake in screwing up the economy, at this point is collapsing.
You see, whether it's food, or transportation, all costs increase, including our ability to sell our over priced products to other countries.

Now, we not only have a collapsed economy, we can't even sell our own crap because no one wants to pay 10 times the price for something  they can get anywhere else in the world for less.
This is the result of central planning as opposed to the free Mkt setting prices.


How do you reconcile your Marxist plan of central planning and a collapsed economy, how would you resuscitate a collapsed economy?
My point is, you don't grasp the consequences of your advocacy, you refuse to accept the teachings of history, where communism has never worked. Why do you think it can work under Bernie?

Quote from: Solar on January 18, 2020, 07:57:30 AM
Right here, where you made a statement which I challenged you on, and you ran away.

I then stated:
Central planning under any name you choose is Marxist. OK, so now you're advocating for central planning since you were able to set a living wage.
How will you save the economy now that industry had to raise their CODB and passed the increases onto the end purchaser, consumer, what will you do to assure the living wage remains intact?

Point is, every time you adjust one part of the economy, you adversely effect another. So how do you plan on fixing your mistake in screwing up the economy, at this point is collapsing.
You see, whether it's food, or transportation, all costs increase, including our ability to sell our over priced products to other countries.

Now, we not only have a collapsed economy, we can't even sell our own crap because no one wants to pay 10 times the price for something  they can get anywhere else in the world for less.
This is the result of central planning as opposed to the free Mkt setting prices.


How do you reconcile your Marxist plan of central planning and a collapsed economy, how would you resuscitate a collapsed economy?
My point is, you don't grasp the consequences of your advocacy, you refuse to accept the teachings of history, where communism has never worked. Why do you think it can work under Bernie?

I don't understand how you're making that leap. We've had minimum wage in this country (i.e. American style central planning) since 1938

What has it wrought on out economy? We're the wealthiest country on earth.

Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 08:11:49 AM
I don't understand how you're making that leap. We've had minimum wage in this country (i.e. American style central planning) since 1938

What has it wrought on out economy? We're the wealthiest country on earth.

Stop moving the goal posts!
You stated:

Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 06:50:26 PM
I'm advocating for American style central planning. We already set wages.

You admitted they already set wages, but Central Planning goes far beyond simply setting wages and you know that, or you wouldn't have said it.
So back to my question, how would you reconcile destroying the economy with your "Living Wage. I won't repeat what I've already posted in how central planning always destroys, never helps!

Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 08:11:49 AM
I don't understand how you're making that leap. We've had minimum wage in this country (i.e. American style central planning) since 1938

What has it wrought on out economy? We're the wealthiest country on earth.

Damn Joe, we have never had a minimum wage that could remotely be called a living wage. It was not supposed to be. Now you advocate moving the damn goal posts but will not acknowledge that it will place an undue burden on small businesses which are the backbone of the country.

You brag that your father in law did not have to pay full retail to get his roof done, a businessman does not have that luxury, those men your father in law used did not pay for health insurance for workers or social security for the workers or pay for workers comp or insurance for company property, or the damn bills  ect. Are you getting the picture yet? Almost no one works for minimum wage, yet those who do always have the option to better themselves to get a better job. What in the sam hell is wrong with that? Why does anyone need the damn government to get payed more.

Your damn bernie can not make the United States better, he wants to take away the system that made him rich by taxing the hell out of anyone who makes and saves money. Warren not only wants to tax what you earn but also what you have saved, she wants to tax your wealth. There is nothing wrong with making a profit, that is why people invest their money into other businesses, that is how you create more jobs.

By the way, we are the wealthiest country in spite of the government not because of it.



   

Quote from: Solar on January 18, 2020, 08:30:06 AM
Stop moving the goal posts!
You stated:
You admitted they already set wages, but Central Planning goes far beyond simply setting wages and you know that, or you wouldn't have said it.
So back to my question, how would you reconcile destroying the economy with your "Living Wage. I won't repeat what I've already posted in how central planning always destroys, never helps!

I thought by Central Planning you meant setting wages.

See ..you moved the goal posts and I didn't follow ...

I'm advocating for increasing the minimum wage.

Quote from: s3779m on January 18, 2020, 08:35:28 AM
Damn Joe, we have never had a minimum wage that could remotely be called a living wage. It was not supposed to be. Now you advocate moving the damn goal posts but will not acknowledge that it will place an undue burden on small businesses which are the backbone of the country.

You brag that your father in law did not have to pay full retail to get his roof done, a businessman does not have that luxury, those men your father in law used did not pay for health insurance for workers or social security for the workers or pay for workers comp or insurance for company property, or the damn bills  ect. Are you getting the picture yet? Almost no one works for minimum wage, yet those who do always have the option to better themselves to get a better job. What in the sam hell is wrong with that? Why does anyone need the damn government to get payed more.

Your damn bernie can not make the United States better, he wants to take away the system that made him rich by taxing the hell out of anyone who makes and saves money. Warren not only wants to tax what you earn but also what you have saved, she wants to tax your wealth. There is nothing wrong with making a profit, that is why people invest their money into other businesses, that is how you create more jobs.

By the way, we are the wealthiest country in spite of the government not because of it.

That's not true.

Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 10:15:53 AM
That's not true.

Then when.

https://www.quora.com/Were-minimum-wages-ever-intended-to-be-a-living-wage

Good article.

Quote from: s3779m on January 18, 2020, 10:57:53 AM
Then when.

we covered this early on...see post 21 in this thread.

Quote from: s3779m on January 18, 2020, 10:57:53 AM
Then when.

https://www.quora.com/Were-minimum-wages-ever-intended-to-be-a-living-wage

Good article.

many of the responses make my point...

Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 11:19:25 AM
many of the responses make my point...

This one right here says different

"If minimum wage was meant to be a "living wage" it would not be done at the national level. It would be based on local economies. A living wage in Fruithurst, Alabama is a vastly different number than San Francisco, California."

Quote from: taxed on January 17, 2020, 12:41:00 PM
Still waiting on your living wage definition.  "Just make muh comfy" isn't a definition.

Still waiting....

Quote from: taxed on January 18, 2020, 01:33:08 PM
Still waiting....

No you're not. I've posted it. What part of my definition don't you understand?

read posts 21, 32, 50, 55, 66 (probably the easiest one for you to understand), 75 (if you need additional clarification).

Let me know what isn't clear after reading those explanations

Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 01:47:59 PM
No you're not. I've posted it. What part of my definition don't you understand?

read posts 21, 32, 50, 55, 66 (probably the easiest one for you to understand), 75 (if you need additional clarification).

Let me know what isn't clear after reading those explanations

No you haven't.  "make muh comfy" isn't a definition.

Provide a definition of a living wage, please.

Quote from: taxed on January 18, 2020, 01:58:23 PM
No you haven't.  "make muh comfy" isn't a definition.

Provide a definition of a living wage, please.

It's provided. And there's even a calculator in the post to see how much it would be in any metro area. MIT also has their own calculator for it as well...

"make muh comfy" are your words, not mine.