Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2020, 04:53:13 PM
You've never defined a living wage.  No Bernie supporter EVER has.  How solid of a foundation can it be if you can't even define it?

post 66 in here. I'm pretty sure I said it further back too.

I dunno you all are blinded by rage at me and don't read what I say or what...

Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:58:54 PM
post 66 in here. I'm pretty sure I said it further back too.

I dunno you all are blinded by rage at me and don't read what I say or what...

That's not a definition.  Please define a livable wage.  This shouldn't be that hard for you if you've thought through this.

Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2020, 05:04:08 PM
That's not a definition.  Please define a livable wage.  This shouldn't be that hard for you if you've thought through this.

What part of my definition do you not understand?

Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 05:06:27 PM
What part of my definition do you not understand?

After reading your "definition", I still have no idea what it is.

Again, please give everyone a good definition of what a livable wage is.  How hilarious is it that you advocate for it as a cornerstone for your entire economic world, yet you can't articulate it or even describe what it is.

Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2020, 05:11:34 PM
After reading your "definition", I still have no idea what it is.

Again, please give everyone a good definition of what a livable wage is.  How hilarious is it that you advocate for it as a cornerstone for your entire economic world, yet you can't articulate it or even describe what it is.

I don't understand what you don't understand.

Read my other explanation in post 50.

It's even got examples and a calculator so you can see how much it is in your area.

Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:58:54 PM
post 66 in here. I'm pretty sure I said it further back too.

I dunno you all are blinded by rage at me and don't read what I say or what...

No Joe, you're entertaining.

OK, let us address this so called "Living Wage", shall we?
When one factors in car, insurance, rent/house payment, health insurance, food, utilities, essentials, suddenly things get pretty costly, don't they?
So let's round it off to $40 per hour because you still need some money to put aside for emergencies.
Now, all those kids entering the job Mkt won't have a chance at any position, because there won't be any, the employer will be maxed out and looking to cut where he can. He'll start looking at mechanizing his business in hopes of staying afloat.
By setting the wage above the value offered by a low-skill worker, employers will simply elect to not hire low-skill workers. That's Right, why hire someone who has never held a job in his life to one with a proven track record.

OK, so the mkt is maxed out, kids can't enter the labor pool, economy begins to tank, employers are suffering and seek any life preserver available, so they invest heavily in mechanization, further eliminating what few jobs existed.
Are you following here Joe? The govt is killing off the job Mkt just to appease their radical base, that base is you and every nutty Bernie supporter.

Will we ever see a living wage? Of course not! No leftist is that stupid! So then why the cry for a living wage? Division!!!
Yep, we've been trying to tell you, all these crazy ideas were never meant to come to fruition, they were designed to attack American industry as evil.

Hello? Joe, you still believe a "Living Wage" is feasible?

Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 05:20:28 PM

No Joe, you're entertaining.

OK, let us address this so called "Living Wage", shall we?
When one factors in car, insurance, rent/house payment, health insurance, food, utilities, essentials, suddenly things get pretty costly, don't they?
So let's round it off to $40 per hour because you still need some money to put aside for emergencies.
Now, all those kids entering the job Mkt won't have a chance at any position, because there won't be any, the employer will be maxed out and looking to cut where he can. He'll start looking at mechanizing his business in hopes of staying afloat.
By setting the wage above the value offered by a low-skill worker, employers will simply elect to not hire low-skill workers. That's Right, why hire someone who has never held a job in his life to one with a proven track record.

OK, so the mkt is maxed out, kids can't enter the labor pool, economy begins to tank, employers are suffering and seek any life preserver available, so they invest heavily in mechanization, further eliminating what few jobs existed.
Are you following here Joe? The govt is killing off the job Mkt just to appease their radical base, that base is you and every nutty Bernie supporter.

Will we ever see a living wage? Of course not! No leftist is that stupid! So then why the cry for a living wage? Division!!!
Yep, we've been trying to tell you, all these crazy ideas were never meant to come to fruition, they were designed to attack American industry as evil.

Hello? Joe, you still believe a "Living Wage" is feasible?

see post 50 and post 66. I haven't advocated a $40 minimum wage

Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 05:14:56 PM
I don't understand what you don't understand.

Read my other explanation in post 50.

It's even got examples and a calculator so you can see how much it is in your area.

Read it. Still don't understand.

You seriously can't define the cornerstone of your entire economic philosophy?

Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 05:25:35 PM
see post 50 and post 66. I haven't advocated a $40 minimum wage

Then how much?

Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2020, 05:33:21 PM
Read it. Still don't understand.

You seriously can't define the cornerstone of your entire economic philosophy?

What part don't you understand?

I'll try and clear it up for you

Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 05:25:35 PM
see post 50 and post 66. I haven't advocated a $40 minimum wage

I never said yo did. I simply grabbed a number that's been bandied about by the left as a balloon starting point.
How about we knock $10 off that, and go with what I wrote, it changes nothing.
What you advocate is Soviet style central planning. You know, where one Soviet Satellite State produces food, while another produces transportation, so no one figure fits all, so this is a rounded figure for all States.
Or are you saying we need to set differing wage amounts around the nation? Then most of the richer States get bumped back up to $40 or higher while States like Idaho and Wyoming get a much lower wage set.
Care to even consider how this effects each State individually?

See, this is the problem with central planning bureaucrats, they literally destroy the economy!

Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 05:39:02 PM
I never said yo did. I simply grabbed a number that's been bandied about by the left as a balloon starting point.
How about we knock $10 off that, and go with what I wrote, it changes nothing.
What you advocate is Soviet style central planning. You know, where one Soviet Satellite State produces food, while another produces transportation, so no one figure fits all, so this is a rounded figure for all States.
Or are you saying we need to set differing wage amounts around the nation? Then most of the richer States get bumped back up to $40 or higher while States like Idaho and Wyoming get a much lower wage set.
Care to even consider how this effects each State individually?

See, this is the problem with central planning bureaucrats, they literally destroy the economy!

I've never ever heard anyone advocate for a 30, 40 or 50 dollar minimum wage.

All I ever hear about is a "Fight for 15"

Hell, that $15 thing might even be on the ballot here in Florida.

And, if you've actually been reading my posts, you'll know that I do advocate for States controlling their minimum wages.

Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 05:44:22 PM
I've never ever heard anyone advocate for a 30, 40 or 50 dollar minimum wage.

All I ever hear about is a "Fight for 15"

Hell, that $15 thing might even be on the ballot here in Florida.

And, if you've actually been reading my posts, you'll know that I do advocate for States controlling their minimum wages.

Here is where an average $30 an hour comes from.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/19/living-wage-for-a-single-person-in-every-us-state.html

That's it, a living wage calculator, and yes, it was you advocating a living wage. So tell me Joe, how do you libs pull it off without bankrupting the US economy?

Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 05:34:13 PM
What part don't you understand?

I'll try and clear it up for you

He asked you what you consider a living wage...

Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 05:53:37 PM
He asked you what you consider a living wage...

It's clearly defined in posts 50 and 66.  He read them and didn't understand. I'm waiting for his question so I can try to clarify