Is the tea party for slavery?
Yes ! Especially for those who can't spell minimum.
Quote from: simo5656 on July 14, 2014, 02:12:59 PM
Is the tea party for slavery?
Don't you claim to be conservative? You are asking too many questions about our ideology to be a conservative?
I propose the minimum wage be at least $25 per hour.
DaisyJane :cool:
Quote from: keyboarder on July 14, 2014, 02:25:13 PM
Don't you claim to be conservative? You are asking too many questions about our ideology to be a conservative?
When did I claim to be conservative?
I am neither. I make choices based off of the situation, which I might favor one party over the other. But the idea that I favor one party all the time on every issue is just, well it is like belonging to a cult.
Quote from: simo5656 on July 14, 2014, 02:12:59 PM
Is the tea party for slavery?
Only on Tuesdays.
Why?
Quote from: simo5656 on July 14, 2014, 02:48:21 PM
When did I claim to be conservative?
I am neither. I make choices based off of the situation, which I might favor one party over the other. But the idea that I favor one party all the time on every issue is just, well it is like belonging to a cult.
Why did you ask if we're for slavery as your first post in a minimum wage thread?
You can do this.
Well, if there is no minmum wage, then I feel you could pay somebody 0 dollars.
Quote from: simo5656 on July 14, 2014, 02:12:59 PM
Is the tea party for slavery?
Slavery - and Jim Crow, and the welfare plantation has always been the work of the Democrats, the TEA party is - if nothing else - fiscally conservative.
Quote from: simo5656 on July 14, 2014, 03:08:49 PM
Well, if there is no minmum wage, then I feel you could pay somebody 0 dollars.
On second thought, I think it should be $50 per hour. Why stop at $25?
Oh wait, it may NOT be any employer's responsibility to provide what I have heard called a "living wage." The employer pays what the job may be worth. Most minimum wage jobs don't require high skills.
For example, as a registered nurse, I get paid a LOT more than minimum wage. Why? Because I have a SKILL that demands it. But, it took me getting an education and a lot of hard work to make that. That is only one example.
My own daughter makes minimum wage at a fast food restaurant part time. She is a college graduate, that due to today's economy cannot find other work. So, I do empathize. But, her employer doesn't have to pay higher than that for the skill. I blame the economy, not the minimum wage, for the problems of today. Minimum wage was never intended to support anyone.
DaisyJane :blink:
Quote from: simo5656 on July 14, 2014, 03:08:49 PM
Well, if there is no minmum wage, then I feel you could pay somebody 0 dollars.
That's because, like I said in another thread, you aren't exactly up to speed on basic economics.
If you pay someone $0, then they won't work for you. Would you work for $0? If not, then why would you use this as an argument?
Quote from: taxed on July 14, 2014, 03:26:37 PM
That's because, like I said in another thread, you aren't exactly up to speed on basic economics.
If you pay someone $0, then they won't work for you. Would you work for $0? If not, then why would you use this as an argument?
On the other hand, if someone was willing to work for "nothing," much as many young men did in the old trade apprenticeship systems, collecting knowledge, skills, room, and board in lieu of pay... What's wrong with that, exactly?
Quote from: TboneAgain on July 14, 2014, 04:33:44 PM
On the other hand, if someone was willing to work for "nothing," much as many young men did in the old trade apprenticeship systems, collecting knowledge, skills, room, and board in lieu of pay... What's wrong with that, exactly?
Touche sir!!!!!!!
Quote from: DaisyJane on July 14, 2014, 03:26:00 PM
On second thought, I think it should be $50 per hour. Why stop at $25?
Oh wait, it may NOT be any employer's responsibility to provide what I have heard called a "living wage." The employer pays what the job may be worth. Most minimum wage jobs don't require high skills.
For example, as a registered nurse, I get paid a LOT more than minimum wage. Why? Because I have a SKILL that demands it. But, it took me getting an education and a lot of hard work to make that. That is only one example.
My own daughter makes minimum wage at a fast food restaurant part time. She is a college graduate, that due to today's economy cannot find other work. So, I do empathize. But, her employer doesn't have to pay higher than that for the skill. I blame the economy, not the minimum wage, for the problems of today. Minimum wage was never intended to support anyone.
DaisyJane :blink:
Of course not! Minimum wage laws are political gimmicks designed to enroll "poor" people in the Democrat Party. Someone may come along and try to convince you differently -- of course, I'm just "supposn" here -- but trust me. The minimum wage is a cheap political gimmick designed to divide and conquer voting blocs for the Democrats.
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Is the tea party for slavery?
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Quote from: simo5656 on July 14, 2014, 03:08:49 PM
Well, if there is no minmum wage, then I feel you could pay somebody 0 dollars.
Yes but you would already be out of business not having any employees...
Was slavery out of buisness in the 18th century?
By all accounts minimum wage is not only just, but it forces companies who otherwise want to use you as much as you can for as little, do so somewhat fairly.
People at say Mcdonalds get horse shit. If you got rid of the minimum wage it would become a race to the bottom for people unskilled an unqualified.
College, debt laden graduates out of school would work for less then they already are out of desperation.
I know your Mitlon Friedman thinking on this(a discredited fraud) but the history of the world shows otherwise. A strong middle class is the fundamentals of a health society. Unions, a decent minimum wage, not only aid that, but also hep the economy by giving mores spending power to people who otherwise might not have it.
If I own 20 million dollars. I will buy a nice car, maybe two, and a mansion.
If 20 people own a million dollars, thats 20 nice cares and houses.
If 40 people have 500,000 thats 40 cars and houses.
Take away the minimum wage and we are a third world country.
Germany has a stout social networking system, and minimum wage, they are far, far ,far healthier economically then we are.
Quote from: simo5656 on July 14, 2014, 02:48:21 PM
When did I claim to be conservative?
I am neither. I make choices based off of the situation, which I might favor one party over the other. But the idea that I favor one party all the time on every issue is just, well it is like belonging to a cult.
Translation: I love Obamao
Quote from: TboneAgain on July 14, 2014, 04:46:27 PM
Of course not! Minimum wage laws are political gimmicks designed to enroll "poor" people in the Democrat Party. Someone may come along and try to convince you differently -- of course, I'm just "supposn" here -- but trust me. The minimum wage is a cheap political gimmick designed to divide and conquer voting blocs for the Democrats.
Actually the minimum wage was simply a device to raise the "floor" under union wages. To give them the argument: "We used to make "X" amount more than minimum, now we are only making "Y" amount". Many contracts are written with the workers making a certain amount over minimum, so raising it is often an automatic pay raise for union workers - who are Democratic allies.
Quote from: simo5656 on July 14, 2014, 05:29:05 PM
Was slavery out of buisness in the 18th century?
By all accounts minimum wage is not only just, but it forces companies who otherwise want to use you as much as you can for as little, do so somewhat fairly.
People at say Mcdonalds get horse shit. If you got rid of the minimum wage it would become a race to the bottom for people unskilled an unqualified.
College, debt laden graduates out of school would work for less then they already are out of desperation.
I know your Mitlon Friedman thinking on this(a discredited fraud) but the history of the world shows otherwise. A strong middle class is the fundamentals of a health society. Unions, a decent minimum wage, not only aid that, but also hep the economy by giving mores spending power to people who otherwise might not have it.
If I own 20 million dollars. I will buy a nice car, maybe two, and a mansion.
If 20 people own a million dollars, thats 20 nice cares and houses.
If 40 people have 500,000 thats 40 cars and houses.
Take away the minimum wage and we are a third world country.
Germany has a stout social networking system, and minimum wage, they are far, far ,far healthier economically then we are.
Shit, meet crock. There was no federal minimum wage before 1938, and the US had already managed to build the world's leading economy. The MW was never meant as an economic tool. It was always, and still is, a bullshit political tool of the left to purchase votes.
I'm not sure yet if I wanna abolish minimum wage COMPLETELY, but 8 dollars is too high. It's not fair to businesses or workers who get fired because of the expense of maintaining large staffs.
Quote from: simo5656 on July 14, 2014, 05:29:05 PM
Was slavery out of buisness in the 18th century?
I'd say swing and miss, but you're not even playing the same sport.
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By all my professors' accounts minimum wage is not only just
Fixed it for you.
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, but it forces companies who otherwise want to use you as much as you can for as little, do so somewhat fairly.
Wrong. Supply and demand, and competition, prevent a company from taking advantage of a worker.
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People at say Mcdonalds get horse shit. If you got rid of the minimum wage it would become a race to the bottom for people unskilled an unqualified.
Incorrect. It would be a race for people to develop skills to move them out of poverty, leaving the unskilled to work at McDonald's at a wage set by supply and demand.
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College, debt laden graduates out of school would work for less then they already are out of desperation.
That's because they have no skill. They've been spoon-fed Marxist BS for the past few years. There is no value for that in a world where we actually have to get shit done.
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I know your Mitlon Friedman thinking on this(a discredited fraud)
You can't discredit the free markets. You can keep trying though. It's funny.
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but the history of the world shows otherwise.
Wrong.
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A strong middle class is the fundamentals of a health society.
Thanks to trickle down economics.
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Unions,
A Marxist system that destroys our economy.
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a decent minimum wage,
A Marxist system that destroys our economy.
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not only aid that, but also hep the economy by giving mores spending power to people who otherwise might not have it.
No it doesn't. You should read some Friedman.
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If I own 20 million dollars. I will buy a nice car, maybe two, and a mansion.
Yes.
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If 20 people own a million dollars, thats 20 nice cares and houses.
Yes.
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If 40 people have 500,000 thats 40 cars and houses.
Yes.
Keep going. How about 100mm people who have $20. What does that look like?
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Take away the minimum wage and we are a third world country.
Incorrect. Eliminate the minimum wage, employment would skyrocket -- especially for the young and unskilled.
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Germany has a stout social networking system, and minimum wage, they are far, far ,far healthier economically then we are.
They'd be even better in a free market system.
Quote from: No Chance Without Paul on July 14, 2014, 05:47:54 PM
I'm not sure yet if I wanna abolish minimum wage COMPLETELY,
Then you need to study economics and embrace the free market.
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but 8 dollars is too high.
What should it be?
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It's not fair to businesses or workers who get fired because of the expense of maintaining large staffs.
You're making the case for eliminating the minimum wage.
Quote from: simo5656 on July 14, 2014, 05:29:05 PM
Was slavery out of buisness in the 18th century?
The 18th century was the 1700's. the Nineteenth century was the 1800's when slavery ended.
QuoteBy all accounts minimum wage is not only just, but it forces companies who otherwise want to use you as much as you can for as little, do so somewhat fairly.
If your current job doesn't pay you what you think you deserve, why wouldn't you take your labor down the street to another business. Wouldn't that business end up with all the best workers?
QuotePeople at say Mcdonalds get horse shit. If you got rid of the minimum wage it would become a race to the bottom for people unskilled an unqualified.
If you are unskilled and unqualified, why should you expect to get paid more?
QuoteCollege, debt laden graduates out of school would work for less then they already are out of desperation.
Obviously you went and got a degree in art, a subject you love; rather than one of the STEM subjects which are always hiring.
QuoteI know your Mitlon Friedman thinking on this(a discredited fraud) but the history of the world shows otherwise.
It's not Friedman you should be listening to but Frederic Bastiat. it's called opportunity cost. Because contrary to the belief of many leftists, money does not grow on trees. The money for increased wages has to come from somewhere.
QuoteA strong middle class is the fundamentals of a health society.
A strong Middle class is created by actual ability, not overpaying for labor.
QuoteUnions, a decent minimum wage, not only aid that, but also hep the economy by giving mores spending power to people who otherwise might not have it.
And where does the money come from. If the business owner doesn't make a profit, then the business will close and everyone will suffer. Even if the business close, the owner has less money to purchase new equipment or to invest in R&D. Or to show enough of a profit to convince people to invest in his business.
QuoteIf I own 20 million dollars. I will buy a nice car, maybe two, and a mansion. If 20 people own a million dollars, thats 20 nice cares and houses.
Once again we see a Leftard conflating wealth and income. If the company I own makes a profit of $20,000,000 - AFTER TAXES - unless it's paid out in dividends too the stock holders, it's the business that has $20,000,000. If it's a private business or if I'm the only stockholder, there's an excellent chance that I will continue to do what gained me all that money in the first place - invest it back in the business. Or invest it in other business. Or set it aside for a business downturn. Or bank it. I probably wouldn't rush out and spend it.
QuoteIf 40 people have 500,000 thats 40 cars and houses.
I suggest that you save or invest it, only keeping enough to live a frugal life.
QuoteTake away the minimum wage and we are a third world country.
The minimum wage is one of those luxury that a country can afford, only after they have stopped being a Third World country.
QuoteGermany has a stout social networking system, and minimum wage, they are far, far ,far healthier economically then we are.
Correlation is not causation. Their economy has far more to do with German cultural habits, than it does with a minimum wage. The Germans save, but don't spend or borrow. The Germans would have a fit if the Deutsche Bundesbank borrowed like our Federal Reserve. And unlike the French, if you took all those wonderful "benefits" away, I doubt that the Germans would be rioting in the street. BTW you do realize that 40.6 percent of German GDP is sucked up by the government.
Quote from: simo5656 on July 14, 2014, 05:29:05 PM
Was slavery out of buisness in the 18th century?
By all accounts minimum wage is not only just, but it forces companies who otherwise want to use you as much as you can for as little, do so somewhat fairly.
People at say Mcdonalds get horse shit. If you got rid of the minimum wage it would become a race to the bottom for people unskilled an unqualified.
College, debt laden graduates out of school would work for less then they already are out of desperation.
I know your Mitlon Friedman thinking on this(a discredited fraud) but the history of the world shows otherwise. A strong middle class is the fundamentals of a health society. Unions, a decent minimum wage, not only aid that, but also hep the economy by giving mores spending power to people who otherwise might not have it.
If I own 20 million dollars. I will buy a nice car, maybe two, and a mansion.
If 20 people own a million dollars, thats 20 nice cares and houses.
If 40 people have 500,000 thats 40 cars and houses.
Take away the minimum wage and we are a third world country.
Germany has a stout social networking system, and minimum wage, they are far, far ,far healthier economically then we are.
I can see you have never been a business owner.
Everything you wrote was typical liberal emotional bullshit.
Try harder or leave.
Quote from: mdgiles on July 14, 2014, 06:28:52 PM
The minimum wage is one of those luxury that a country can afford, only after they have stopped being a Third World country.
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Once again, Taxed, you have not put one fact or arugment into your bs.
Lets try this your way: A. You dont know my professors or where I went to school. SO the fact that you are speaking for them is a joke.
Let me ask a simple question about minimum wage: If eliminating minimum wage will create a cyle of supply and demand, that you suggest, why are third world countries who pay their workers shit dirt poor?
The free market is a myth. The middle class created post WWII had to do with GI bonds, a state directed subisidy, not trickle down economics.
The two periods of unbridled financial regulation, the depression and the great recession, lead to horrible economic crisies.
Again, you keep ignoring the facts. It is a fact that the United States developed of off tariffs and protectionist measures.
It is a fact that Germany, whose economy is pissing on ours, has a high minimum wage and strong state controlled polices.
It is a fact, that we got out of WWII by state directed spending on a war time economy. This growth, the biggest in our history, had NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING to do with free markets. It was state controlled spending.
Further still, the wealthy dont want free markets. George Bush oversaw the greatest expansion of our government in world history. The wealthy love the subsidies and goodies from government. The government are working for them and they know it full well. Thats why they pay hundreds of millions of dollars a year to finance elections and lobby.
Lets take a look at our economy. Millions of people have given up even trying to find a job. Millions are still unemployed and millions more are employed but are making less wages then they were before the crisis. The banks, record profits. Who caused the crisis? The banks. But yeah, lets cut minimum wage for the poor bastard slinging burgers.
Lets say tomorrow they passed your law. Minimum wage gone. What would happen? Presumably people employed in companies like Mconalds would be offered to keep their job at a lower wage. Lets say half say okay I have no choice and half say fuck you Ill do better. What good does that solve? You think some poor person is going to say "well ill show them and go to college and get a degree and get a better job."
No, they wont have money for that. They will just be broker. The more desperate people get, the more likely they will be forced to work for less and less.
Its like slavery, where there were no wages. People didn't have to be slaves you know. They could have chose death, as some did. But most didint. Why, cause when you are desperate and struggling you have no choice.
All you would do is deprive a fair wage to those who work an honest living on a daily basis. You would also severely harm the economy, because though companies would be able to charge less for products, cause of the cheaper labor, their consumer base will continue to shrink.
I can also tell you are not much into statistics because you will know that the main factors determining a persons success in life are the background they grow up in and their parents achievements. This is a universally acknowledged fact around the entire world. The idea that lowering the minimum wage will overcome this, is disputed by history, the present and any serious analysis.
This is nothing more then justification for the rich dominating our society. Eliminating the minimum wage is nothing more then a tax on the poor and a tax cut for the rich.
But again, there is no danger from your side as overwhelming Americans favor an increase in the minimum wage and many states are. The consensus is not with you. Youll note the current minimum wage, by it not being raised, is a pay cut. This is so because it hasn't kept up with inflation.
SO, 1920s, deregulate banking industry collapses.
2007, deregulate baking industry collapses.
1940s, government spending, country gets out of depression.
One final point here: When the banking industry did collapse in 2007 what was the bi-partisan sponsored polices? I'll answer, a state intervening government support and stimulus. Not, more deregulation and cutting wages.
You love free markets, but where is your criticisms for farm subsides? Airline subsides? NASA or the military budget, which our economy would collapse in a minute if it was ever cut. The military is Americans subsiding weapon manufacturers. Thats not a free market at all. Building planes that cost a billion dollars that are never used.
You should also be against tolls, public schools, public universities, tax write offs for churches.
You should be against the NFL who only survives by special anti-trust exemptions.
You can read milton friedman all you want and regurgitate his views. Though he has been outed as a fraud who fudged and plagiarized.
But the fact is, you know nothing of what you speak.
Now go ahead and write one or two words after each of my paragraphs. Intelligent people aren't fooled by your inability to debate.
If you feel different, I hereby challenge you to a debate. Just you and I on our own thread. Accept?
Quote from: simo5656 on July 15, 2014, 10:34:27 AM
Once again, Taxed, you have not put one fact or arugment into your bs.
Lets try this your way: A. You dont know my professors or where I went to school. SO the fact that you are speaking for them is a joke.
They're Marxists. I can tell because you're one. They haven't done anything with their lives, and that's who you look up to. I've never been in that position, because I know who is smart and who isn't. That's what separates people like me from people like you.
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Let me ask a simple question about minimum wage: If eliminating minimum wage will create a cyle of supply and demand, that you suggest, why are third world countries who pay their workers shit dirt poor?
Give me an example. This should be easy for you.
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The free market is a myth.
Two parties engaging in trade is a myth? I can't wait for you to double down on this.
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The middle class created post WWII had to do with GI bonds, a state directed subisidy, not trickle down economics.
Don't even discuss WWII. You have a LONG way to go before you can comprehend that segment of economic history. Let's stick to you understanding that two people engaging in trade is not a myth, and actually happens all over the world. Actually, it has happened since the beginning of time.
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The two periods of unbridled financial regulation, the depression and the great recession, lead to horrible economic crisies.
Again, you keep ignoring the facts. It is a fact that the United States developed of off tariffs and protectionist measures.
It is a fact that Germany, whose economy is pissing on ours, has a high minimum wage and strong state controlled polices.
It is a fact, that we got out of WWII by state directed spending on a war time economy. This growth, the biggest in our history, had NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING to do with free markets. It was state controlled spending.
Did you just get out of class? You're professor has you all hopped up on topics you know nothing about. Let's stick to the basics for now.
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Further still, the wealthy dont want free markets. George Bush oversaw the greatest expansion of our government in world history. The wealthy love the subsidies and goodies from government. The government are working for them and they know it full well. Thats why they pay hundreds of millions of dollars a year to finance elections and lobby.
You're getting ahead of yourself. You are confusing corruption with capitalism. Don't worry, you Marxist parrots screw that up all the time. We'll work through it.
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Lets take a look at our economy. Millions of people have given up even trying to find a job. Millions are still unemployed and millions more are employed but are making less wages then they were before the crisis. The banks, record profits. Who caused the crisis? The banks. But yeah, lets cut minimum wage for the poor bastard slinging burgers.
How can that be? I thought we don't have a free market?
You young Marxists, far more often than not, try and argue multiple platforms simultaneously, because you don't have a basic foundation of knowledge.
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Lets say tomorrow they passed your law. Minimum wage gone. What would happen? Presumably people employed in companies like Mconalds would be offered to keep their job at a lower wage. Lets say half say okay I have no choice and half say fuck you Ill do better. What good does that solve? You think some poor person is going to say "well ill show them and go to college and get a degree and get a better job."
Have you ever worked a job? Don't be embarrassed. Answer honestly.
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No, they wont have money for that. They will just be broker. The more desperate people get, the more likely they will be forced to work for less and less.
Wrong. You're parroting again. Let's try and excersize that noodle.
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Its like slavery, where there were no wages. People didn't have to be slaves you know. They could have chose death, as some did. But most didint. Why, cause when you are desperate and struggling you have no choice.
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No, hon. Slaves were forced to do work. Slavery is not the free market. You see, people with skills are in higher demand. A heart surgeon, for example, is worth more than a burger flipper, or worse, a college professor. The burger flipper has a skill, so I shouldn't lump them in with professors. Nevertheless, when you study and learn things, and improve your skillset, you are worth more money.
Does that concept make sense to you? If not, it's OK; just be honest.
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All you would do is deprive a fair wage to those who work an honest living on a daily basis.
What exactly is a "fair wage"? What is an "honest living"? Please articulate what you parrot.
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You would also severely harm the economy, because though companies would be able to charge less for products, cause of the cheaper labor, their consumer base will continue to shrink.
How would falling consumer prices hurt the economy? This outta be good......
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I can also tell you are not much into statistics because you will know that the main factors determining a persons success in life are the background they grow up in and their parents achievements.
Wrong. Poor people rise out of poverty all the time. Rich kids end up in poverty all the time. I'm sorry I had to break that to you.
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This is a universally acknowledged fact around the entire world.
No it isn't. You have been taught to parrot that it is. Us free thinking successful people know better.
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The idea that lowering the minimum wage will overcome this, is disputed by history, the present and any serious analysis.
Wrong. And silly. Adorable that you believe it. But wrong.
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This is nothing more then justification for the rich dominating our society.
You still haven't answered my question before about what "rich dominating" is. If it's too much for you to handle, just tell me. I just figured you could articulate it, since you brought it up and all. I guess not.
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Eliminating the minimum wage is nothing more then a tax on the poor and a tax cut for the rich.
How?
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But again, there is no danger from your side as overwhelming Americans favor an increase in the minimum wage and many states are. The consensus is not with you. Youll note the current minimum wage, by it not being raised, is a pay cut. This is so because it hasn't kept up with inflation.
No. This is just propaganda shoved down your throat. You have no real world experience in this area.
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SO, 1920s, deregulate banking industry collapses.
2007, deregulate baking industry collapses.
1940s, government spending, country gets out of depression.
One final point here: When the banking industry did collapse in 2007 what was the bi-partisan sponsored polices? I'll answer, a state intervening government support and stimulus. Not, more deregulation and cutting wages.
Let's start with the basics before you parrot your professors' Marxist curriculum.
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You love free markets, but where is your criticisms for farm subsides?
Eliminate subsidies, and put the people in jail who enable them. How does that sound?
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Airline subsides?
Eliminate them, and jail the criminals engaged in this activity.
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NASA or the military budget,
Defense spending is not a subsidy. It's sort of an important thing. It allows you to be a Marxist without getting thrown in prison.
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which our economy would collapse in a minute if it was ever cut. The military is Americans subsiding weapon manufacturers. Thats not a free market at all. Building planes that cost a billion dollars that are never used.
Sounds like someone doesn't like this country. Do you want to talk about it?
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You should also be against tolls,
Yes.
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public schools,
Yes.
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public universities,
Now you're talkin!
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tax write offs for churches.
Yes. Ooooh you're getting me fired up!
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You should be against the NFL who only survives by special anti-trust exemptions.
Take ALL the unions and government intervention out of the NFL. That's what I want.
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You can read milton friedman all you want and regurgitate his views.
Yes, I read. It's what us thinkers do.
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Though he has been outed as a fraud who fudged and plagiarized.
Sounds like someone has been listening to Marxists again.
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But the fact is, you know nothing of what you speak.
Wrong.
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Now go ahead and write one or two words after each of my paragraphs. Intelligent people aren't fooled by your inability to debate.
Let's just start with the basics, before you run back to your professor and get a pat on the head.
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If you feel different, I hereby challenge you to a debate. Just you and I on our own thread. Accept?
You're not ready for a debate. You need to answer some basic, simple, easy questions first that would take a sentence or two to answer, like, answering if it is a myth that people trade with each other.
Oh, you are like Christmas to me right now. Promise you won't run off and will stay and continue this.
Quote from: taxed on July 15, 2014, 11:33:07 AM
They're Marxists. I can tell because you're one. They haven't done anything with their lives, and that's who you look up to. I've never been in that position, because I know who is smart and who isn't. That's what separates people like me from people like you.
Give me an example. This should be easy for you.
Two parties engaging in trade is a myth? I can't wait for you to double down on this.
Don't even discuss WWII. You have a LONG way to go before you can comprehend that segment of economic history. Let's stick to you understanding that two people engaging in trade is not a myth, and actually happens all over the world. Actually, it has happened since the beginning of time.
Did you just get out of class? You're professor has you all hopped up on topics you know nothing about. Let's stick to the basics for now.
You're getting ahead of yourself. You are confusing corruption with capitalism. Don't worry, you Marxist parrots screw that up all the time. We'll work through it.
How can that be? I thought we don't have a free market?
You young Marxists, far more often than not, try and argue multiple platforms simultaneously, because you don't have a basic foundation of knowledge.
Have you ever worked a job? Don't be embarrassed. Answer honestly.
Wrong. You're parroting again. Let's try and excersize that noodle.
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No, hon. Slaves were forced to do work. Slavery is not the free market. You see, people with skills are in higher demand. A heart surgeon, for example, is worth more than a burger flipper, or worse, a college professor. The burger flipper has a skill, so I shouldn't lump them in with professors. Nevertheless, when you study and learn things, and improve your skillset, you are worth more money.
Does that concept make sense to you? If not, it's OK; just be honest.
What exactly is a "fair wage"? What is an "honest living"? Please articulate what you parrot.
How would falling consumer prices hurt the economy? This outta be good......
Wrong. Poor people rise out of poverty all the time. Rich kids end up in poverty all the time. I'm sorry I had to break that to you.
No it isn't. You have been taught to parrot that it is. Us free thinking successful people know better.
Wrong. And silly. Adorable that you believe it. But wrong.
You still haven't answered my question before about what "rich dominating" is. If it's too much for you to handle, just tell me. I just figured you could articulate it, since you brought it up and all. I guess not.
How?
No. This is just propaganda shoved down your throat. You have no real world experience in this area.
Let's start with the basics before you parrot your professors' Marxist curriculum.
Eliminate subsidies, and put the people in jail who enable them. How does that sound?
Eliminate them, and jail the criminals engaged in this activity.
Defense spending is not a subsidy. It's sort of an important thing. It allows you to be a Marxist without getting thrown in prison.
Sounds like someone doesn't like this country. Do you want to talk about it?
Yes.
Yes.
Now you're talkin!
Yes. Ooooh you're getting me fired up!
Take ALL the unions and government intervention out of the NFL. That's what I want.
Yes, I read. It's what us thinkers do.
Sounds like someone has been listening to Marxists again.
Wrong.
Let's just start with the basics, before you run back to your professor and get a pat on the head.
You're not ready for a debate. You need to answer some basic, simple, easy questions first that would take a sentence or two to answer, like, answering if it is a myth that people trade with each other.
Oh, you are like Christmas to me right now. Promise you won't run off and will stay and continue this.
I am 30 years old and work as a data analyst in New York City for a health fund.
Of course people engage in trade with one another. That has nothing to with a free market being a myth. It is a myth in the sense that it is not entirely free, nor ever was, nor can be.
I have read Milton Friedman as well and the whole Chicago school. I gave it a chance but in the end realized it was bs.
Setting things up so you put one line after every line of mine is rubbish and you know. Id be glad to maturely engage in this topic and hope to learn from you. But the format you are currently employing is not a debate or mature. It is simply you write a line, without a fact, and pass it as truth.
You can engage in a debate with me on this topic or not? Each person gets a turn. That is a fair way to do it.
Right now I have learned nothing from you cause you simply refuse to cite a fact or generally outline your argument.
There are free market aspects and there are stat intervening aspects. There is no free, as I understand the term free, markets.
I answered your question now answer one of mind. Do you think laws should regulate monopolies?
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Of course people engage in trade with one another. That has nothing to with a free market being a myth. It is a myth in the sense that it is not entirely free, nor ever was, nor can be.
How are two people engaging in trade not the free market at work?
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I have read Milton Friedman as well and the whole Chicago school. I gave it a chance but in the end realized it was bs.
What part?
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Setting things up so you put one line after every line of mine is rubbish and you know.
Nope. You Marxists are trained (unknowingly to you) to obfuscate and "overwhelm" the conversation, spewing BS all over the place. That doesn't happen here, and I grab you by the scruff of the neck and rub your nose in it.
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Id be glad to maturely engage in this topic and hope to learn from you. But the format you are currently employing is not a debate or mature. It is simply you write a line, without a fact, and pass it as truth.
You're not used to being challenged. I understand. Young Marxists never are. You really should relax and engage in a discussion.
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You can engage in a debate with me on this topic or not? Each person gets a turn. That is a fair way to do it.
The forum isn't going anywhere. We all have schedules. You can post here, and replies can happen at our pace. That's what a forum is for. We welcome your opposing views for our discussion and muse, but you can do it in a civil dialog.
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Right now I have learned nothing from you cause you simply refuse to cite a fact or generally outline your argument.
I'm still trying to get you to define a few of your parrot points.
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There are free market aspects and there are stat intervening aspects. There is no free, as I understand the term free, markets.
You just said two people can engage in trade. How is that not free?
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I answered your question now answer one of mind. Do you think laws should regulate monopolies?
No. The free market, via competition, takes care of monopolies. Now, please answer the questions I've been waiting on.
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How are two people engaging in trade not the free market at work?
What part?
Nope. You Marxists are trained (unknowingly to you) to obfuscate and "overwhelm" the conversation, spewing BS all over the place. That doesn't happen here, and I grab you by the scruff of the neck and rub your nose in it.
You're not used to being challenged. I understand. Young Marxists never are. You really should relax and engage in a discussion.
The forum isn't going anywhere. We all have schedules. You can post here, and replies can happen at our pace. That's what a forum is for. We welcome your opposing views for our discussion and muse, but you can do it in a civil dialog.
I'm still trying to get you to define a few of your parrot points.
You just said two people can engage in trade. How is that not free?
No. The free market, via competition, takes care of monopolies. Now, please answer the questions I've been waiting on.
You can engage in the debate I suggested...until then I refuse to speak to someone who refuses to site facts and attempts a me write and you rebut format. When your ready to debate like a man, let me know.
Quote from: simo5656 on July 15, 2014, 12:35:39 PM
You can engage in the debate I suggested...until then I refuse to speak to someone who refuses to site facts and attempts a me write and you rebut format. When your ready to debate like a man, let me know.
OK. Wait for my call.