QuoteSo, if mice could be followed for just 14 months, it would be roughly equivalent to following people for 38-47 years.

They did not do it!

They did not have time to wait with Covid vaccines, they say. It was a huge emergency, they say. Okay. Why could not they keep a few dozen vaccinated mice for a year?

In the Frontiers mouse study discussed, one mouse out of 13 developed a turbo-cancer (a lymphoma).

What if this happens to people in the same proportion over the long run? That would equate to millions of tragedies!

Was the decision to kill test animals based simply on considerations of cost? Or did greedy vaccine developers know that they better prevent the long-term consequences of Covid vaccines from becoming evident?

Do you think vaccine test animals were euthanized intentionally quickly so we would not know the long-term effect of Covid vaccines?

Quote from: ZenMode on July 06, 2023, 08:15:13 AMYes, animals used in testing are often killed after they are used in testing.  And, yes, macaques are commonly used in testing.

Which animals are used in experiments?
Animals used in experiments include baboons, cats, cows, dogs, ferrets, fish, frogs, guinea pigs, hamsters, horses, llamas, mice, monkeys (such as marmosets and macaques), owls, pigs, quail, rabbits, rats and sheep.

Chimpanzees have thankfully not been subjected to invasive experiments in the U.S. since 2015, when federal decisions were made to prevent their use. Despite this, hundreds of chimpanzees are still languishing in laboratories while they wait to be moved into sanctuaries.

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What kinds of experiments are animals used in?
Animals are used in many different kinds of experiments. These are just a few examples:

Dogs have their hearts, lungs or kidneys deliberately damaged or removed to study how experimental substances might affect human organ function. 

Monkeys are taken from their mothers as infants to study how extreme stress might affect human behavior.
Mice are force-fed daily doses of a chemical for two years to see if it might cause cancer in humans.
Cats have their spinal cords damaged and are forced to run on treadmills to study how nerve activity might affect human limb movement.

Ferrets are deliberately infected with extremely painful, potentially fatal diseases (such as RSV, COVID-19 or Ebola) and not given pain relief or treatment before their death to study how humans might be affected by the same disease. 

Pigs are implanted with various devices (such as pacemakers and dental implants) to study how human bodies might respond to such devices. 

Pregnant rabbits are force-fed toxic pesticides every day for several weeks to study how human mothers and babies might be affected if they were exposed to the pesticides.

Sheep are subjected to high pressures (such as those experienced deep underwater) for hours at a time and then returned to normal pressure so that their response can be observed.
Rats are placed in small tubes and are forced to inhale cigarette smoke for hours at a time to study how humans might respond to cigarette smoke.   

Baboons are injected with endometrial tissue to induce painful symptoms of endometriosis and study how humans might be affected by the disorder.

Horses are infected with a potentially fatal virus (such as hepatitis) and their symptoms monitored to study how humans might be affected by the same virus.

Experiments are often excruciatingly painful for the animals used and can vary in duration from days to months to years. The experiment can cause vomiting, diarrhea, irritation, rashes, bleeding, loss of appetite, weight loss, convulsions, respiratory distress, salivation, paralysis, lethargy, bleeding, organ abnormalities, tumors, heart failure, liver disease, cancer and death.

There is no limit to the extent of pain and suffering that can be inflicted on animals during experiments. In some instances, animals are not given any kind of pain medication to help relieve their suffering or distress during or after the experiment on the basis that it could affect the experiment.

Animals are typically killed once an experiment is over so that their tissues and organs can be examined, although it is not unusual for animals to be used in multiple experiments over many years. There are no accurate statistics available on how many animals are killed in laboratories every year.

https://www.humanesociety.org/resources/animals-used-experiments-faq

Quote from: Possum on July 06, 2023, 09:14:06 AMAgain, you missed the point. Go back and read the article.

Quote from: ZenMode on July 06, 2023, 08:15:13 AMYes, animals used in testing are often killed after they are used in testing.  And, yes, macaques are commonly used in testing.

Which animals are used in experiments?
Animals used in experiments include baboons, cats, cows, dogs, ferrets, fish, frogs, guinea pigs, hamsters, horses, llamas, mice, monkeys (such as marmosets and macaques), owls, pigs, quail, rabbits, rats and sheep.

Chimpanzees have thankfully not been subjected to invasive experiments in the U.S. since 2015, when federal decisions were made to prevent their use. Despite this, hundreds of chimpanzees are still languishing in laboratories while they wait to be moved into sanctuaries.

Back to top

What kinds of experiments are animals used in?
Animals are used in many different kinds of experiments. These are just a few examples:

Dogs have their hearts, lungs or kidneys deliberately damaged or removed to study how experimental substances might affect human organ function. 

Monkeys are taken from their mothers as infants to study how extreme stress might affect human behavior.
Mice are force-fed daily doses of a chemical for two years to see if it might cause cancer in humans.
Cats have their spinal cords damaged and are forced to run on treadmills to study how nerve activity might affect human limb movement.

Ferrets are deliberately infected with extremely painful, potentially fatal diseases (such as RSV, COVID-19 or Ebola) and not given pain relief or treatment before their death to study how humans might be affected by the same disease. 

Pigs are implanted with various devices (such as pacemakers and dental implants) to study how human bodies might respond to such devices. 

Pregnant rabbits are force-fed toxic pesticides every day for several weeks to study how human mothers and babies might be affected if they were exposed to the pesticides.

Sheep are subjected to high pressures (such as those experienced deep underwater) for hours at a time and then returned to normal pressure so that their response can be observed.
Rats are placed in small tubes and are forced to inhale cigarette smoke for hours at a time to study how humans might respond to cigarette smoke.   

Baboons are injected with endometrial tissue to induce painful symptoms of endometriosis and study how humans might be affected by the disorder.

Horses are infected with a potentially fatal virus (such as hepatitis) and their symptoms monitored to study how humans might be affected by the same virus.

Experiments are often excruciatingly painful for the animals used and can vary in duration from days to months to years. The experiment can cause vomiting, diarrhea, irritation, rashes, bleeding, loss of appetite, weight loss, convulsions, respiratory distress, salivation, paralysis, lethargy, bleeding, organ abnormalities, tumors, heart failure, liver disease, cancer and death.

There is no limit to the extent of pain and suffering that can be inflicted on animals during experiments. In some instances, animals are not given any kind of pain medication to help relieve their suffering or distress during or after the experiment on the basis that it could affect the experiment.

Animals are typically killed once an experiment is over so that their tissues and organs can be examined, although it is not unusual for animals to be used in multiple experiments over many years. There are no accurate statistics available on how many animals are killed in laboratories every year.

https://www.humanesociety.org/resources/animals-used-experiments-faq

Quote from: Solar on July 06, 2023, 09:42:31 AMSo am to understand this correctly, you are justifying abuse and murdering animals?

Quote from: ZenMode on July 06, 2023, 10:14:31 AMNot at all, but that's not what all this is about.  Whether I agree or disagree with using animals in testing, the fact is that it's completely common to use macaques and it's completely common to kill the animals and perform an autopsy.

Quote from: ZenMode on July 06, 2023, 09:16:35 AMI read it.  The author is trying to create an issue where one doesn't exist.

Quote from: Possum on July 06, 2023, 11:01:22 AMThe issue was by destroying the rats, long term effects were not studied.  THAT was in the article.

Quote from: ZenMode on July 06, 2023, 10:14:31 AMNot at all, but that's not what all this is about.  Whether I agree or disagree with using animals in testing, the fact is that it's completely common to use macaques and it's completely common to kill the animals and perform an autopsy.

Quote from: ZenMode on July 06, 2023, 11:03:29 AMAre animals normally kept alive for long term studies for vaccines and other drugs?

Quote from: Possum on July 06, 2023, 01:36:56 PMLong term studies are done for vaccines and other drugs. You should know that. You should also know long term studies were not done for the jab. This was discussed in another thread, really does not need to be gone over again. Go back and read it if you have forgotten.

Quote from: ZenMode on July 06, 2023, 02:33:20 PMI agree that things were rushed for the covid vaccine.  That can be true AND it can be completely normal that the test animals were killed and autopsied, right?

Quote from: Possum on July 06, 2023, 02:34:43 PMNot before the tests were done.