We are being told to wear mask again?

Started by Possum, January 04, 2023, 04:06:53 AM

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Possum

https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2023/01/03/obamacare-architect-crawls-out-of-the-woodwork-to-tell-us-to-start-wearing-really-high-quality-masks-n682751

Have to admit, this part is pretty interesting, from  Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel himself
QuoteIt seems to avoid the antibodies but also binds more tightly to cells and that gives it the competitive advantage it needs. And unfortunately the antibodies, therefore, we have from infections or vaccines don't seem to work. And the monoclonal antibody Evusheld we have, that a lot of immune-compromised patients don't use doesn't seem to be working that well.
I know we shouldn't brag, but just think how much federal money could be saved if those clowns in charge would just read this forum.

And of course  Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel has the solution,
Quotetravel ban and negative test results, they're just delaying tactics. They're trying to get us information; they're not gonna help. Individually, for your viewers, Andrea, the best thing they can do at the moment, and I know a lot of them are resistant, is masks. N95, really high-quality masks. You can't control what's out there in the airports or what's on a train, or what's gonna be in a shopping mall, but you can protect yourself with these very high-quality masks, and that's what I recommend.

He should have read this study before he said all of that,
Quote(RCT) found no statistically significant real-world evidence that masks stop aerosolized transmission of the virus. Including N95s.


Why do people look to the government for answers?

Solar

I heard this shit yesterday and my takeaway is what everyone needs to focus on, that they just admitted the Jabb is completely fuckin useless.
Data shows these new variants are coming from the victims of the Jabb, they did not exist in nature before our govt inflicted this poison on the world.

I'm not waiting for others to say enough is enough, I'm saying it now! Enough Is Enough!!!!
Come after us and you're all going to regret it!!!

They will go to a blue City Full OF Sheeple And Push this so the rest of the country thinks it's an impending inevitability.
They want people to feel helpless against govt, but govt forgets one thing, we out fuckin number them a million to every 5 people, and we're not backing down.

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Possum

Quote from: Solar on January 04, 2023, 06:40:43 AMI heard this shit yesterday and my takeaway is what everyone needs to focus on, that they just admitted the Jabb is completely fuckin useless.
Data shows these new variants are coming from the victims of the Jabb, they did not exist in nature before our govt inflicted this poison on the world.

I'm not waiting for others to say enough is enough, I'm saying it now! Enough Is Enough!!!!
Come after us and you're all going to regret it!!!

They will go to a blue City Full OF Sheeple And Push this so the rest of the country thinks it's an impending inevitability.
They want people to feel helpless against govt, but govt forgets one thing, we out fuckin number them a million to every 5 people, and we're not backing down.


Well the barn door has been left open. It is almost like there is now a race to see who link the vaccine to new side effects. On top of admitting what are serious side effects, discussions are now including long term effects, mainly cancer. At least their own discussion are now saying there is no need to continue the vaccine.

https://discernreport.com/confirmed-covid-boosters-trigger-metastasis/

QuoteCOVID no longer needs a vaccine programme given the average age of death of COVID in the U.K. is 82 and from all other causes is 81 and falling," Dalgleish writes.6 "The link with clots, myocarditis, heart attacks and strokes is now well accepted, as is the link with myelitis and neuropathy ...



Quote"When the facts change, or new facts emerge, the position of all those in authority directing mandates should change but unfortunately, they did not.


VVet69

I think this should pretty much put to bed the argument that wearing masks is of any significant benefit.

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full

ZenMode

There really isn't anything newsworthy here. Vaccines for a certain virus often don't work for other virusws.  The federal government tries common often unsuccessfully, to predict which version of the flu is going to be prominent each year, in an effort to predict which vaccine needs to be produced.

At this point research has shown that cloth masks are highly ineffective and that a correctly fitted n95 mask is a much better option.
"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide that proves they should value evidence."

Possum

Quote from: ZenMode on February 18, 2023, 06:51:55 AMThere really isn't anything newsworthy here. Vaccines for a certain virus often don't work for other virusws.  The federal government tries common often unsuccessfully, to predict which version of the flu is going to be prominent each year, in an effort to predict which vaccine needs to be produced.

At this point research has shown that cloth masks are highly ineffective and that a correctly fitted n95 mask is a much better option.
Are you saying a n95 will protect you from getting the covid virus?

And pleased use the quote function so others have an idea what you are talking about.

VVet69

Quote from: ZenMode on February 18, 2023, 06:51:55 AMThere really isn't anything newsworthy here. Vaccines for a certain virus often don't work for other virusws.  The federal government tries common often unsuccessfully, to predict which version of the flu is going to be prominent each year, in an effort to predict which vaccine needs to be produced.

At this point research has shown that cloth masks are highly ineffective and that a correctly fitted n95 mask is a much better option.

I agree that a cloth mask is highly ineffective; however this report does have any conclusion on cloth masks. 
This report was published 30 Jan 2023 so it is pretty current.  In the conclusions of the report:

QuoteThe pooled results of RCTs did not show a clear reduction in respiratory viral infection with the use of medical/surgical masks. There were no clear differences between the use of medical/surgical masks compared with N95/P2 respirators in healthcare workers when used in routine care to reduce respiratory viral infection. Hand hygiene is likely to modestly reduce the burden of respiratory illness, and although this effect was also present when ILI and laboratory‐confirmed influenza were analysed separately, it was not found to be a significant difference for the latter two outcomes.

and

QuoteThere is a need for large, well‐designed RCTs addressing the effectiveness of many of these interventions in multiple settings and populations, as well as the impact of adherence on effectiveness, especially in those most at risk of ARIs

If you have evidence to contradict the conclusions, please provide the link to the actual research document and quoted excepts from that document supporting your statement.

ZenMode

Quote from: VVet69 on February 18, 2023, 09:32:09 AMI agree that a cloth mask is highly ineffective; however this report does have any conclusion on cloth masks. 
This report was published 30 Jan 2023 so it is pretty current.  In the conclusions of the report:

and

If you have evidence to contradict the conclusions, please provide the link to the actual research document and quoted excepts from that document supporting your statement.
I don't know if newness of research means it automatically is more accurate.  This study shows there's no difference between cloth and N95.  I don't recall seeing a study that showed cloth masks were more effective than N95 masks.  The studies I have seen, when they show a difference, have shown N95 masks are more effective.

The link below, as an example.  Page 4 has a table comparing cloth, surgical and N95-type masks:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/pdfs/mm7106e1-H.pdf
"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide that proves they should value evidence."

VVet69

Quote from: ZenMode on February 20, 2023, 09:05:26 AMI don't know if newness of research means it automatically is more accurate.  This study shows there's no difference between cloth and N95.  I don't recall seeing a study that showed cloth masks were more effective than N95 masks.  The studies I have seen, when they show a difference, have shown N95 masks are more effective.


N95 masks have better particle filter ratings than the other masks, so technically they *should* filter better; however:

The Cochrane report had orders-of-magnitude larger sample size over a longer period than did the CDC report.  However, the key here, as was indicated in BOTH reports, is that NO scientifically controlled study of mask usage has been performed to date.  this would have to include both benefits and risks of wearing a specific mask over a significant period of time, risks of mask re-use, and any other factor that would impact effectiveness, including related factors such as "social distancing", etc.

T Hunt

Quote from: ZenMode on February 18, 2023, 06:51:55 AMThere really isn't anything newsworthy here. Vaccines for a certain virus often don't work for other virusws.  The federal government tries common often unsuccessfully, to predict which version of the flu is going to be prominent each year, in an effort to predict which vaccine needs to be produced.

At this point research has shown that cloth masks are highly ineffective and that a correctly fitted n95 mask is a much better option.
Actually science has shown most of the covid measures where hoaxes. Masks made it worse as did lockdowns.

(Sorry, you dont get to ask for proof or evidence until you have proven 1 million died FROM covid. What goes around comes around and turnabouts fair play. :biggrin: )
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