The Ivermectin Govt Lie!!!

Started by Solar, August 18, 2023, 09:46:36 AM

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Solar

But before I get to the crux of the article, I'd like to piggyback something onto this.
Quinine, Quinine has been an amazing drug for decades fighting Malaria, proven to work with few side effects.
I suffered from back spasms from my injuries in the army, the damn stuff was amazing, even my heart calmed down while on it.

But out5 of the blue, the Fed outlawed it, and the claim was it slowed the heart. Well Fuckin DUH! That was a benefit!
But with hindsight being 20/20, I realize why they had to do away with it, it fought the Commie Flu withiut incident.
Bet you hadn't heard this anywhere else...
Now to the article.


This month, lawyers for the Food and Drug Administration admitted in a U.S. court that doctors "do have the authority to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID", an admission that stands at stark odds with a multiple year campaign to misinform, misalign and tarnish the reputation of one of the world's most successful drugs, which could have been used to save hundreds of thousands of lives during the pandemic.

"FDA is clearly acknowledging that doctors have the authority to prescribe human ivermectin to treat COVID. So they are not interfering with the authority of doctors to prescribe drugs or to practice medicine," Ashley Cheung Honold, lawyer representing the FDA said this month.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/unforgivable-ivermectin-swindle
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Quote from: Solar on August 18, 2023, 09:46:36 AMBut before I get to the crux of the article, I'd like to piggyback something onto this.
Quinine, Quinine has been an amazing drug for decades fighting Malaria, proven to work with few side effects.
I suffered from back spasms from my injuries in the army, the damn stuff was amazing, even my heart calmed down while on it.

But out5 of the blue, the Fed outlawed it, and the claim was it slowed the heart. Well Fuckin DUH! That was a benefit!
But with hindsight being 20/20, I realize why they had to do away with it, it fought the Commie Flu withiut incident.
Bet you hadn't heard this anywhere else...
Now to the article.


This month, lawyers for the Food and Drug Administration admitted in a U.S. court that doctors "do have the authority to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID", an admission that stands at stark odds with a multiple year campaign to misinform, misalign and tarnish the reputation of one of the world's most successful drugs, which could have been used to save hundreds of thousands of lives during the pandemic.

"FDA is clearly acknowledging that doctors have the authority to prescribe human ivermectin to treat COVID. So they are not interfering with the authority of doctors to prescribe drugs or to practice medicine," Ashley Cheung Honold, lawyer representing the FDA said this month.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/unforgivable-ivermectin-swindle
I am seeing more survival lists that are recommending this drug. Not only for what occurs naturally, but for what our government will produce.

Solar

Quote from: Possum on August 18, 2023, 09:52:21 AMI am seeing more survival lists that are recommending this drug. Not only for what occurs naturally, but for what our government will produce.
We used it on the ranch like candy for all animals. We never needed a vet, ever, and never had a case of a grass born parasite, something many horses suffer with.
I took it back then when I came down with some strange malady, the owners wife swore by it, said whatever you contracted, it came from the cattle, so take this for a few days, and the first night it was gone and fever broke instantly.

I wish I had remembered it when the CCP flu first broke here in Ca, a month or more before it was news on the world stage.
Hell, had they not outlawed Quinine, I'd probably never even contracted the bio weapon in the first place.
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I know the the CDC didn't approve Ivermectin as a treatment for covid, because research didn't show it was effective, but I don't believe doctors were ever told they couldn't prescribe it. I don't know if the CDC or FDA can tell doctors that they can't prescribe it.

A state medical board might technically be able to take action against a doctor for prescribing a medicine that hasn't been shown to work, but I've never heard of that happening.
"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide that proves they should value evidence."

Possum

Quote from: ZenMode on August 18, 2023, 12:30:50 PMI know the the CDC didn't approve Ivermectin as a treatment for covid, because research didn't show it was effective, but I don't believe doctors were ever told they couldn't prescribe it. I don't know if the CDC or FDA can tell doctors that they can't prescribe it.

A state medical board might technically be able to take action against a doctor for prescribing a medicine that hasn't been shown to work, but I've never heard of that happening.
Look again.

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Quote from: Possum on August 18, 2023, 01:13:20 PMLook again.

I have.  That's why I said what I said.  Like I said, the FDA/CDC doesn't have the authority to tell doctors to do anything.  It's the individual state medical boards.

Physicians prescribing ivermectin for COVID-19 despite FDA warning
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/pharmacy/physicians-prescribing-ivermectin-for-covid-19-despite-fda-warning.html

The Arkansas Medical Board is investigating after a doctor said he prescribed an anti-parasitic drug "thousands" of times for treatment of COVID-19, including to inmates in an Arkansas jail.
https://www.wbaltv.com/article/doctor-under-investigation-for-prescribing-ivermectin-thousands-of-times-for-covid-19/37411494#
"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide that proves they should value evidence."

Possum

Quote from: ZenMode on August 18, 2023, 01:28:10 PMI have.  That's why I said what I said.  Like I said, the FDA/CDC doesn't have the authority to tell doctors to do anything.  It's the individual state medical boards.

Physicians prescribing ivermectin for COVID-19 despite FDA warning
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/pharmacy/physicians-prescribing-ivermectin-for-covid-19-despite-fda-warning.html

The Arkansas Medical Board is investigating after a doctor said he prescribed an anti-parasitic drug "thousands" of times for treatment of COVID-19, including to inmates in an Arkansas jail.
https://www.wbaltv.com/article/doctor-under-investigation-for-prescribing-ivermectin-thousands-of-times-for-covid-19/37411494#
Did you happen to notice that for his actions the Dr. in Arkansas is being investigated. The CDC and the FDA both forbid it's use. Even though the state medical board has the final say, guess where they get their advice?

ZenMode

Quote from: Possum on August 18, 2023, 02:13:33 PMDid you happen to notice that for his actions the Dr. in Arkansas is being investigated. The CDC and the FDA both forbid it's use. Even though the state medical board has the final say, guess where they get their advice?

Nope. The CDC and FDA did not "forbid" it's use.  They don't have the authority to forbid it's use. They look at the data and decide if they support the use of any drug to treat any ailment.

Yes, each state has a medical board that has the authority to take action against a doctor if they deem it to be necessary.  That is a good thing.  We want oversight. 

https://scrippsnews.com/stories/surgeon-loses-medical-license-after-streaming-surgeries-on-tiktok/
"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide that proves they should value evidence."

Possum

Quote from: ZenMode on August 19, 2023, 04:13:54 AMNope. The CDC and FDA did not "forbid" it's use.  They don't have the authority to forbid it's use. They look at the data and decide if they support the use of any drug to treat any ailment.

Yes, each state has a medical board that has the authority to take action against a doctor if they deem it to be necessary.  That is a good thing.  We want oversight. 

https://scrippsnews.com/stories/surgeon-loses-medical-license-after-streaming-surgeries-on-tiktok/
And yet we are in the middle of a court case stating just that.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/08/can_your_doctor_now_prescribe_ivermectin_.html

QuoteFDA is the decision maker: It decides which drug(s) to grant EUA or approval.

It is the FDA and the CDC which warned Dr.'s not to approve or prescribe ivermectin for covid.

QuoteAMA (and other medical societies and licensing boards) is the enforcer.  It threats doctors with discipline including disbarment if they dare prescribe ivermectin off-label for COVID.  It is this that prevented many patients from gaining access to ivermectin.

And this is why Dr.'s are being "investigated". Your right on one point, a Dr. was free in this country, by law to prescribe ivermectin, but reality said he would come under investigation for doing so. Which is why the vast majority
did not do so. In some of the threads on this forum were many articles about ivermectin, most dealt with Dr.'s who were saying they could not prescribe it, to articles where feed stores were "encouraged" to pull it off their shelves. Trump was ridiculed by the press, the CDC and Fauci for suggesting it's use. End result, if you were looking to get a prescription for ivermectin, you would have to look far and wide for a Dr. who would give you one.  

Solar

Quote from: ZenMode on August 19, 2023, 04:13:54 AMNope. The CDC and FDA did not "forbid" it's use.  They don't have the authority to forbid it's use. They look at the data and decide if they support the use of any drug to treat any ailment.

Yes, each state has a medical board that has the authority to take action against a doctor if they deem it to be necessary.  That is a good thing.  We want oversight. 

https://scrippsnews.com/stories/surgeon-loses-medical-license-after-streaming-surgeries-on-tiktok/
Sure makes for deceptive headlines, doesn't it?
But the truth is, they were banning it, along with the WHO and CDC.

https://richardsonpost.com/katie-spence/30071/fda-says-it-didnt-ban-ivermectin-finds-its-pants-are-on-fire/
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Quote from: Solar on August 19, 2023, 05:26:22 AMSure makes for deceptive headlines, doesn't it?
But the truth is, they were banning it, along with the WHO and CDC.

https://richardsonpost.com/katie-spence/30071/fda-says-it-didnt-ban-ivermectin-finds-its-pants-are-on-fire/
The CDC didn't ban it! Neither did the FDA.  All they can do is say "We think it works and should be used" or "We don't think it works and we don't recommend using it".  State medical board have their rules and I suspect one of them is not allowing doctors to experiment on people. To rational people, that is a good thing!


"Thomas Fritch, for example, was dosed without his knowledge with 2.75 times the amount of ivermectin required to treat a parasitic infestation, Edrick Floreal-Wooten was secretly dosed with 3.4 times the approved dosage of ivermectin, and Dayman Blackburn was dosed with 6.3 times the approved dosage. Again, these Plaintiffs were suffering from COVID-19, not parasites."
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"The Court also finds that a reasonable doctor or sheriff would have understood, given the Supreme Court precedent in Cruzan v. Director, Missouri Department of Health, 497 U.S. 261, 278 (1990), and Washington v. Harper, 494 U.S. 210, 221–22 (1990), that it was clearly established in fall 2020 that administering an experimental drug to prisoners without their knowledge would violate their due process rights. Qualified immunity is therefore denied. This is not a close call."
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"The inmates received Dr. Karas' treatment protocol for COVID-19, but did not know it included Ivermectin," Brooks wrote. "Dr. Karas and his staff falsely told the inmates the treatment consisted of mere 'vitamins,' 'antibiotics,' and/or 'steroids.' Critically, the inmates had no idea they were part of Dr. Karas' experiment."
 


https://apnews.com/article/arkansas-jail-covid-ivermectin-lawsuit-28701474e3d402c8fafc2b1a89cb2882

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Solar

Quote from: ZenMode on August 19, 2023, 05:45:11 AMThe CDC didn't ban it! Neither did the FDA. 
Yet the article states the exact opposite of what you're claiming!
No, they did not ban it, yet worked hard to kill it off entirely.
Why are you missing this?
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Quote from: ZenMode on August 19, 2023, 05:45:11 AMThe CDC didn't ban it! Neither did the FDA.  All they can do is say "We think it works and should be used" or "We don't think it works and we don't recommend using it".  State medical board have their rules and I suspect one of them is not allowing doctors to experiment on people. To rational people, that is a good thing!





Are you forgetting the whole jab has been one big experiment on people?

ZenMode

Quote from: Solar on August 19, 2023, 05:48:40 AMYet the article states the exact opposite of what you're claiming!
No, they did not ban it, yet worked hard to kill it off entirely.
Why are you missing this?
Wrong.  Ivermectin has never been banned, killed off, etc.  It is a perfectly legal and useful drug.  No doctor was banned from prescribing it.
"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide that proves they should value evidence."

Solar

Quote from: ZenMode on August 19, 2023, 05:56:05 AMWrong.  Ivermectin has never been banned, killed off, etc.  It is a perfectly legal and useful drug.  No doctor was banned from prescribing it.
Do you have a comprehension issue?
I said it was never banned, but their actions were the exact opposite!!!
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