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Can you be denied goods/services over not being vaccinated, negative tested, or not having/showing documentation?

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on September 16, 2021, 10:00:29 AMCan you be denied goods/services over not being vaccinated, negative tested, or not having/showing documentation?

Not according to the same laws that say I have to serve gays and dont have the right to refuse service to anyone. I mean if reason reigned than any business could do whatever they wanted with their business. But thats not the case right now so no they cannot deny you. And as far as the govt the constitution says they cant deny you over it. Esspecially since science cannot even isolate it so it doesnt really exist. So no, they cannot deny you over a fairytale like covid.

Quote from: T Hunt on September 16, 2021, 10:30:45 AMNot according to the same laws that say I have to serve gays and dont have the right to refuse service to anyone. I mean if reason reigned than any business could do whatever they wanted with their business. But thats not the case right now so no they cannot deny you. And as far as the govt the constitution says they cant deny you over it. Esspecially since science cannot even isolate it so it doesnt really exist. So no, they cannot deny you over a fairytale like covid.

Who should we talk to in order to legally advise them that they can't do that?

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on September 19, 2021, 10:53:20 AMWho should we talk to in order to legally advise them that they can't do that?

Tell them to their face. Dare them to call the cops, most wont, and most cops wont do anything about it since its not a law but a mandate and they cannot legally enforce it. And if they do arrest you film it and find a lawyer with the balls do sure them for infringing on your constitutional rights over a virus they still cannot prove exists in a court of law.

https://rumble.com/vkorz0-freedom-fighter-court-victory-ends-masking-shots-quarantine-in-alberta.html (https://rumble.com/vkorz0-freedom-fighter-court-victory-ends-masking-shots-quarantine-in-alberta.html)

Quote from: T Hunt on September 19, 2021, 02:08:09 PMTell them to their face. Dare them to call the cops, most wont, and most cops wont do anything about it since its not a law but a mandate and they cannot legally enforce it. And if they do arrest you film it and find a lawyer with the balls do sure them for infringing on your constitutional rights over a virus they still cannot prove exists in a court of law.

https://rumble.com/vkorz0-freedom-fighter-court-victory-ends-masking-shots-quarantine-in-alberta.html (https://rumble.com/vkorz0-freedom-fighter-court-victory-ends-masking-shots-quarantine-in-alberta.html)

You are absolutely correct and I agree with you, HOWEVER... Not everyone has the financial resources to legally hire an attorney. It is absurd to me that the Communists are using this fabricated "virus" to infringe on people's rights. It seems like unless one has the financial resources to continually fight them in a court of law, they can step all over your rights and there is nothing that one can do about it.

It is fine to say that law enforcement may/may not arrest someone. If you are arrested, by some zealous officer, it is up to the courts to sort it out. It would again take, fees and financial resources to pay an attorney up front. The attorneys are the only ones who make out in this mess!

I don't know if people realize that their rights could be blatantly, openly and deliberately violated and unless one has the money to fight it, the law is useless.

Quote from: RV on September 19, 2021, 06:40:29 PMYou are absolutely correct and I agree with you, HOWEVER... Not everyone has the financial resources to legally hire an attorney. It is absurd to me that the Communists are using this fabricated "virus" to infringe on people's rights. It seems like unless one has the financial resources to continually fight them in a court of law, they can step all over your rights and there is nothing that one can do about it.

It is fine to say that law enforcement may/may not arrest someone. If you are arrested, by some zealous officer, it is up to the courts to sort it out. It would again take, fees and financial resources to pay an attorney up front. The attorneys are the only ones who make out in this mess!

I don't know if people realize that their rights could be blatantly, openly and deliberately violated and unless one has the money to fight it, the law is useless.

I dont have money and Im not worried. I would be using the public defender. The government has to provide you a defence if you cannot afford one. Our justice system isnt allowed to favor the rich over the poor, and I know it does on alot of levels, but if you a defending yourself from against the covid mandate, thats an easy win. They simply are not legally allowed to enforce it.
Plus Im sure there are plenty of lawyers fed up with this too who would take your case pro bono, or you can start a go fund me. Or Im sure that many others persecuted by covid will be starting class action suits you could join. Lots of options.

Add to that that if a cop is doing something illegal, like an illegal arrest, then he is automatically a criminal. You have the right to use lethal force against someone attempting to assault you, which is what an illegal arrest is. Thats right, if a cop tries to illegally arrest you for covid MANDATES(not laws, not enforcable) then you are well within your constitutional rights to use proportional force, including lethal. There is NO situation where you are forced to allow a cop to be a criminal. They are our EQUALS not our betters. They are citizens JUST LIKE US.

Now of course the left has their agents in the legal system who will cheat anyway they can to make your life worse, but with the legal system working so slowly and trump coming back soon Im not worried.
And even if he wasnt then someone has to be the martyr for the cause of justice. We should all be ready to give up our lives for freedom.

Lets say you dont trust your skills enough to outgun a cop. Well the other option is to let them take you and have someone record the entire thing and give it to any media who will take it and spread it all over the internet. Take that cops job and pension thru the court of public opinion.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on September 16, 2021, 10:00:29 AMCan you be denied goods/services over not being vaccinated, negative tested, or not having/showing documentation?

Under current laws, I don't see why a business couldn't deny entry based on not being vaxxed if they wanted to.  Unvaxxed arne't one of the current "protected classes".

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 20, 2021, 09:20:13 AMUnder current laws, I don't see why a business couldn't deny entry based on not being vaxxed if they wanted to.  Unvaxxed arne't one of the current "protected classes".

You dont have to be a protected class for it to be illegal to discriminate without any legitimate reason backed by science. Thats why racism is wrong, no science to prove blacks or white better or worse than the other. Thats why we dont allow it. Likewise no science to prove covid exists and isnt just the flu(unless you have just found some) or that vaccines work and dont kill you, therefore it would be illegal discrimination to not allow the unvaccinated.

Add to that that it is your personal medical info so they have no legal right to it.

Quote from: T Hunt on September 20, 2021, 09:28:26 AMYou dont have to be a protected class for it to be illegal to discriminate without any legitimate reason backed by science. Thats why racism is wrong, no science to prove blacks or white better or worse than the other. Thats why we dont allow it. Likewise no science to prove covid exists and isnt just the flu(unless you have just found some) or that vaccines work and dont kill you, therefore it would be illegal discrimination to not allow the unvaccinated.

Add to that that it is your personal medical info so they have no legal right to it.

There are discrimination laws that make it illegal for a business to deny entry to specific groups. To my knowledge, none of the existing discrimination laws protect non-vaxxed.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 20, 2021, 09:59:05 AMThere are discrimination laws that make it illegal for a business to deny entry to specific groups. To my knowledge, none of the existing discrimination laws protect non-vaxxed.

They dont need to. It is illegal to discriminate without legitimate cause period. I cannot refuse service to a pink haired feminist just for being a pink haired feminist.

Plus like I said they cannot know your medical info without a scientific reason, which they dont have.

Quote from: T Hunt on September 20, 2021, 10:02:17 AMThey dont need to. It is illegal to discriminate without legitimate cause period. I cannot refuse service to a pink haired feminist just for being a pink haired feminist.

Plus like I said they cannot know your medical info without a scientific reason, which they dont have.

Of course you can because there are no laws against discrimination of pink hair feminists, just as there are no laws protecting against discrimination based on political party:


Florida diner that told Biden supporters to eat elsewhere becomes so popular it runs out of food

Donations and customers have been flocking to the diner since the sign was posted

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-diner-forced-to-close-due-to-popularity-after-posting-sign-telling-biden-supporters-to-keep-out

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 20, 2021, 10:11:50 AMOf course you can because there are no laws against discrimination of pink hair feminists, just as there are no laws protecting against discrimination based on political party:


Florida diner that told Biden supporters to eat elsewhere becomes so popular it runs out of food

Donations and customers have been flocking to the diner since the sign was posted

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-diner-forced-to-close-due-to-popularity-after-posting-sign-telling-biden-supporters-to-keep-out

LOL so what? Thats politics, you are allowed to for that because there is a legit reason. Vaccines are a persons health and there is no scientific reason for them to know it and its personal. Sorry, but cant discriminate for that.

Did you think they were doing voting history checks on all there customers?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Quote from: T Hunt on September 20, 2021, 10:31:09 AMLOL so what? Thats politics, you are allowed to for that because there is a legit reason. Vaccines are a persons health and there is no scientific reason for them to know it and its personal. Sorry, but cant discriminate for that.

Did you think they were doing voting history checks on all there customers?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

You opinion of legitimacy or illegitimacy is irrelevant. Facts don't care about your feelings and there is currently no legal basis to force businesses to serve members of a particular political party or members of a particular vaccination/testing status. 

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 20, 2021, 10:11:50 AMOf course you can because there are no laws against discrimination of pink hair feminists, just as there are no laws protecting against discrimination based on political party:


Florida diner that told Biden supporters to eat elsewhere becomes so popular it runs out of food

Donations and customers have been flocking to the diner since the sign was posted

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-diner-forced-to-close-due-to-popularity-after-posting-sign-telling-biden-supporters-to-keep-out

Well here's PB to shitty up a thread...

It sounds like they put up a sign, and it attracted business because of it. Makes sense. Just look at how Chic-Fil-A still has drive through business wrapped around the building after the alphabet people and their jock-strap supporters tried to attack them.

How do we know who a Biden supporters are? Unless they say or do something, we don't know.

QuoteUgarte said she has received some "death threats and bomb threats,"

There you go...

 :rolleyes:

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on September 20, 2021, 12:24:19 PMWell here's PB to shitty up a thread...

It sounds like they put up a sign, and it attracted business because of it. Makes sense. Just look at how Chic-Fil-A still has drive through business wrapped around the building after the alphabet people and their jock-strap supporters tried to attack them.

How do we know who a Biden supporters are? Unless they say or do something, we don't know.

There you go...

 :rolleyes:

"How do we know who a Biden supporters are? Unless they say or do something, we don't know."

There's nothing legally prohibiting a restaurant from requiring customers provide voter ID card to show their political party. It would likely crush their business, but I don't see a basis for it being illegal. Same is true for vaxx status or recent covid tests.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 20, 2021, 01:20:52 PM"How do we know who a Biden supporters are? Unless they say or do something, we don't know."

There's nothing legally prohibiting a restaurant from requiring customers provide voter ID card to show their political party. It would likely crush their business, but I don't see a basis for it being illegal. Same is true for vaxx status or recent covid tests.

Did he do this or are you making that up?

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 20, 2021, 01:20:52 PM"How do we know who a Biden supporters are? Unless they say or do something, we don't know."

There's nothing legally prohibiting a restaurant from requiring customers provide voter ID card to show their political party. It would likely crush their business, but I don't see a basis for it being illegal. Same is true for vaxx status or recent covid tests.

The original post was about a business trying to discriminate. All the diner did was put up a sign. They didn't deny service as far as the article states. It is no difference than Starbucks for example putting up a rainbow flag on their window. They haven't denied anybody service. They just indicated their stance. People freely decided to show up or not.

The difference is, Conservatives don't commit violent crimes or terrorism crimes like death threats and bomb threats.

To the lefties on this forum: will you condemn death threats and bomb threats?

PB?

Quote from: Possum on September 20, 2021, 02:05:15 PMDid he do this or are you making that up?

I mean exactly what I said... there's nothing prohibiting a business owner from checking voter ID cards.  As to whether or not this person did it, I would guess he didn't.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on September 20, 2021, 02:05:47 PMThe original post was about a business trying to discriminate. All the diner did was put up a sign. They didn't deny service as far as the article states. It is no difference than Starbucks for example putting up a rainbow flag on their window. They haven't denied anybody service. They just indicated their stance. People freely decided to show up or not.

The difference is, Conservatives don't commit violent crimes or terrorism crimes like death threats and bomb threats.

To the lefties on this forum: will you condemn death threats and bomb threats?

PB?

Of course I condemn any kind of unwarranted violence and threats.

All discrimination isn't illegal.  I could deny service to people who have tattoos or dyed hair if I wanted to. I can deny service to people who carry guns because gun carriers aren't legally protect as it relates to discrimination.  Is all of that, by definition, discrimination?  Yes. Is it illegal?  No, because there are no laws protecting people who all tatted up, carry guns or have dyed hair. My point is that it's not legally discrimination because the unvaxxed/untested aren't legally protected. 

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 20, 2021, 02:28:31 PMI mean exactly what I said... there's nothing prohibiting a business owner from checking voter ID cards.  As to whether or not this person did it, I would guess he didn't.

So it added nothing to the thread.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 20, 2021, 02:28:31 PMI mean exactly what I said... there's nothing prohibiting a business owner from checking voter ID cards.  As to whether or not this person did it, I would guess he didn't.

Should they be checking voter ID cards on something that doesn't involve voting?

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on September 20, 2021, 02:42:12 PMShould they be checking voter ID cards on something that doesn't involve voting?

Of course not, but what they should do and what they are legal allowed to do, as business owners, are different things. 

IMO, we should all support the right of businesses to decide who their customers are. We don't want government, in 99% of situations, to say "You have have to serve this person".  If I want to hang a sign on the front of my restaurant that says "No Blacks, no Hispanics, No Women, No cripples and No Lesbos", that should be my right, just as it would be with my home.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 20, 2021, 03:03:08 PMOf course not, but what they should do and what they are legal allowed to do,

I, hell we, don't expect you lefties to acknowledge what they shouldn't do. It's all about what they can do.

Difference between doing what is right and what is easy. The right thing to do is not discriminate. The easy thing is to discriminate. They do that because they have no morals, ethics, or integrity.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 20, 2021, 03:03:08 PMOf course not, but what they should do and what they are legal allowed to do, as business owners, are different things. 

IMO, we should all support the right of businesses to decide who their customers are. We don't want government, in 99% of situations, to say "You have have to serve this person".  If I want to hang a sign on the front of my restaurant that says "No Blacks, no Hispanics, No Women, No cripples and No Lesbos", that should be my right, just as it would be with my home.

Racial discrimination is fine with you?

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 20, 2021, 10:40:24 AMYou opinion of legitimacy or illegitimacy is irrelevant. Facts don't care about your feelings and there is currently no legal basis to force businesses to serve members of a particular political party or members of a particular vaccination/testing status.

AHAHAHA sorry but yes there is. According to the law you are not allowed to discriminate. If a business cant deny for being gay then it cannot deny for being unvaxed.

Being gay=not being vaxed.
They are the same when it comes to denying service.
So sorry but you legally dont get to have one without the other.
 
The only way you can legally deny the vaxed would be to allow businesses to deny gays too, otherwise its against the law.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 20, 2021, 01:20:52 PM"How do we know who a Biden supporters are? Unless they say or do something, we don't know."

There's nothing legally prohibiting a restaurant from requiring customers provide voter ID card to show their political party. It would likely crush their business, but I don't see a basis for it being illegal. Same is true for vaxx status or recent covid tests.

LOL but thats not what happened is it? They never actually required proof. So the point still stands. Businesses cannot deny over vax status. Thats why none are.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 20, 2021, 02:28:31 PMI mean exactly what I said... there's nothing prohibiting a business owner from checking voter ID cards.  As to whether or not this person did it, I would guess he didn't.

But you are only saying that to win this argument, you dont really believe it. We all know. Besides if that were true then they could also deny for being gay. Cant have it both ways. If you want to protect gays then everyone gets protected, thats the law.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on September 20, 2021, 03:21:03 PMI, hell we, don't expect you lefties to acknowledge what they shouldn't do. It's all about what they can do.

Difference between doing what is right and what is easy. The right thing to do is not discriminate. The easy thing is to discriminate. They do that because they have no morals, ethics, or integrity.

Do you believe that any meaningful portion of the Democratic party would agree with getting rid of all discrimination laws?  Keep in mind that it was Democrats losing their shit over masterpiece

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 20, 2021, 02:34:37 PMOf course I condemn any kind of unwarranted violence and threats.

All discrimination isn't illegal.  I could deny service to people who have tattoos or dyed hair if I wanted to. I can deny service to people who carry guns because gun carriers aren't legally protect as it relates to discrimination.  Is all of that, by definition, discrimination?  Yes. Is it illegal?  No, because there are no laws protecting people who all tatted up, carry guns or have dyed hair. My point is that it's not legally discrimination because the unvaxxed/untested aren't legally protected.

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  So according to PB the law allows 2 for kinds of citizens, 1st class (those protected by the law) and 2nd class (those not protected by the law.)
Sorry dear, thats just not how America works, not now not ever, at least not since the we fought a civil war to stop that.

We are all EQUAL under the law, thats what the actual law says. Nothing says gays have more rights than strait people. That would be discrimination, and the law cannot discriminate for no valid reason.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 20, 2021, 03:03:08 PMOf course not, but what they should do and what they are legal allowed to do, as business owners, are different things. 

IMO, we should all support the right of businesses to decide who their customers are. We don't want government, in 99% of situations, to say "You have have to serve this person".  If I want to hang a sign on the front of my restaurant that says "No Blacks, no Hispanics, No Women, No cripples and No Lesbos", that should be my right, just as it would be with my home.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: if Trump was passing a law to allow that you would be singing a different tune.

Quote from: T Hunt on September 20, 2021, 03:44:37 PMLOL but thats not what happened is it? They never actually required proof. So the point still stands. Businesses cannot deny over vax status. Thats why none are.

No shot, no proof, no service: NYC businesses begin checks


NEW YORK (AP) — People dining indoors at New York City's restaurants, browsing its museums or sweating in its gyms had to show proof Tuesday that they were at least partially inoculated against COVID-19 as the city began the nation's largest effort yet to exclude the unvaccinated from public places.

Signs on the front door and windows of The Stop Inn, a Queens diner, warned patrons arriving for breakfast that they had to show proof of at least one vaccine shot to be allowed to dine inside.

Still, Norbu Lama, 17, said he was surprised when a server politely asked for his vaccination card soon after he slid into a booth with his parents and sister.

"We didn't know we had to bring it," he said. The server appeared relieved when Lama and his family presented copies of their vaccination cards on their phone, Lama said.

https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-business-health-coronavirus-pandemic-0c94e94960b9150668e37599aed3872f

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 20, 2021, 04:00:19 PMNo shot, no proof, no service: NYC businesses begin checks


NEW YORK (AP) — People dining indoors at New York City's restaurants, browsing its museums or sweating in its gyms had to show proof Tuesday that they were at least partially inoculated against COVID-19 as the city began the nation's largest effort yet to exclude the unvaccinated from public places.

Signs on the front door and windows of The Stop Inn, a Queens diner, warned patrons arriving for breakfast that they had to show proof of at least one vaccine shot to be allowed to dine inside.

Still, Norbu Lama, 17, said he was surprised when a server politely asked for his vaccination card soon after he slid into a booth with his parents and sister.

"We didn't know we had to bring it," he said. The server appeared relieved when Lama and his family presented copies of their vaccination cards on their phone, Lama said.

https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-business-health-coronavirus-pandemic-0c94e94960b9150668e37599aed3872f

New York City is just another place that has become Nazi Germany.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on September 20, 2021, 04:05:42 PMNew York City is just another place that has become Nazi Germany.

They are doing what they believe is best for them. When you live in a city where people are packed in like fucking sardines, a virus can spread like wildfire. This is an example of why states rights are so important. I don't believe South Dakota ever implemented any kind of mandates or lockdowns during the entirety of covid. So, if you don't like how New York runs things, you can move to South Dakota where they do things differently.

The bigger point, as I have been saying, is that businesses can require proof of vaccination or a recent negative test.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 20, 2021, 04:00:19 PMNo shot, no proof, no service: NYC businesses begin checks


NEW YORK (AP) — People dining indoors at New York City's restaurants, browsing its museums or sweating in its gyms had to show proof Tuesday that they were at least partially inoculated against COVID-19 as the city began the nation's largest effort yet to exclude the unvaccinated from public places.

Signs on the front door and windows of The Stop Inn, a Queens diner, warned patrons arriving for breakfast that they had to show proof of at least one vaccine shot to be allowed to dine inside.

Still, Norbu Lama, 17, said he was surprised when a server politely asked for his vaccination card soon after he slid into a booth with his parents and sister.

"We didn't know we had to bring it," he said. The server appeared relieved when Lama and his family presented copies of their vaccination cards on their phone, Lama said.

https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-business-health-coronavirus-pandemic-0c94e94960b9150668e37599aed3872f

The thread has to do with can a business owner decide on his own, not if a business owner is dictated to by a corrupt liberal government. By the way, you did not answer my question, are you now in favor of racial discrimination? Sure sounds like it.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 20, 2021, 04:14:48 PMThey are doing what they believe is best for them. When you live in a city where people are packed in like fucking sardines, a virus can spread like wildfire. This is an example of why states rights are so important. I don't believe South Dakota ever implemented any kind of mandates or lockdowns during the entirety of covid. So, if you don't like how New York runs things, you can move to South Dakota where they do things differently.

The bigger point, as I have been saying, is that businesses can require proof of vaccination or a recent negative test.

You've been saying is not the same as proving. All your post proves is liberal government does not give a damn if they are the ones discriminating.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 20, 2021, 03:03:08 PMOf course not, but what they should do and what they are legal allowed to do, as business owners, are different things. 

IMO, we should all support the right of businesses to decide who their customers are. We don't want government, in 99% of situations, to say "You have have to serve this person".  If I want to hang a sign on the front of my restaurant that says "No Blacks, no Hispanics, No Women, No cripples and No Lesbos", that should be my right, just as it would be with my home.

You're a racist as well I see, but then, you do support the party of racism. :glare:

Quote from: Solar on September 20, 2021, 05:08:55 PMYou're a racist as well I see, but then, you do support the party of racism. :glare:

I support the right, not necessarily how one uses it.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 20, 2021, 04:00:19 PMNo shot, no proof, no service: NYC businesses begin checks


NEW YORK (AP) — People dining indoors at New York City's restaurants, browsing its museums or sweating in its gyms had to show proof Tuesday that they were at least partially inoculated against COVID-19 as the city began the nation's largest effort yet to exclude the unvaccinated from public places.

Signs on the front door and windows of The Stop Inn, a Queens diner, warned patrons arriving for breakfast that they had to show proof of at least one vaccine shot to be allowed to dine inside.

Still, Norbu Lama, 17, said he was surprised when a server politely asked for his vaccination card soon after he slid into a booth with his parents and sister.

"We didn't know we had to bring it," he said. The server appeared relieved when Lama and his family presented copies of their vaccination cards on their phone, Lama said.

https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-business-health-coronavirus-pandemic-0c94e94960b9150668e37599aed3872f

But you get that all those people CHOSE to obey, they didnt have too since the police could not legally arrest them for not. They could have forced their way in and did a sit in and there would be nothing the police could do since you can demand ppl show proof of being vaxed. You just proved that again, NYC doesnt follow the law.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 20, 2021, 06:02:34 PMI support the right, not necessarily how one uses it.

You can't squirm your way out of this one, you admitted you are a racist, plain and simple.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 20, 2021, 06:02:34 PMI support the right, not necessarily how one uses it.

You support everyone's "right" to discriminate? If the citizens vote for it, then we can have racial discrimination? That is their right? Are you sure about what you are saying is a right here?

Quote from: Possum on September 21, 2021, 03:43:38 AMYou support everyone's "right" to discriminate? If the citizens vote for it, then we can have racial discrimination? That is their right? Are you sure about what you are saying is a right here?

Hey, he has values and he'll kill anyone to prove it.  :glare:
If a black guy is dying of thirst, he'll hold him at gun point. After all, that's "His Right" as a homeowner with a sign posted stating, "RACIST BIGOT". His words, not mine...

Quote from: Possum on September 21, 2021, 03:43:38 AMYou support everyone's "right" to discriminate? If the citizens vote for it, then we can have racial discrimination? That is their right? Are you sure about what you are saying is a right here?

What I am saying, putting the lies and hyperbole of others aside, is that a business owner, just like a homeowner, should be able to decide who they allow into their home or business.  As a business owner or homeowner, I should be the one who decides enters my property, not the government.

Quote from: Solar on September 21, 2021, 06:19:04 AMHey, he has values and he'll kill anyone to prove it.  :glare:
If a black guy is dying of thirst, he'll hold him at gun point. After all, that's "His Right" as a homeowner with a sign posted stating, "RACIST BIGOT". His words, not mine...

Your level of dishonesty is truly impressive.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 23, 2021, 05:43:28 AMWhat I am saying, putting the lies and hyperbole of others aside, is that a business owner, just like a homeowner, should be able to decide who they allow into their home or business.  As a business owner or homeowner, I should be the one who decides enters my property, not the government.

Maybe you should read the law. Better yet, try it yourself.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 23, 2021, 05:49:40 AMYour level of dishonesty is truly impressive.

This from the guy caught lying? That's rich! :rolleyes:

Quote from: Possum on September 23, 2021, 06:12:06 AMMaybe you should read the law. Better yet, try it yourself.

Yet, given virtually any given thread, he's backing the Marxists ideals.

Quote from: Solar on September 23, 2021, 07:15:15 AMYet, given virtually any given thread, he's backing the Marxists ideals.

I would love for you to find me all of the Democrats that support a businesses right to deny service to anyone.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 23, 2021, 07:35:49 AMI would love for you to find me all of the Democrats that support a businesses right to deny service to anyone.

Are you fuckin serious? For starters, the DNC backing BLM and antifa with the help of the media.

Quote from: Solar on September 23, 2021, 07:41:36 AMAre you fuckin serious? For starters, the DNC backing BLM and antifa with the help of the media.

Which BLM/Antifa members are business owners that the DNC is supporting?

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 23, 2021, 07:43:22 AMWhich BLM/Antifa members are business owners that the DNC is supporting?

What the fuck kind of question is that?

Quote from: Solar on September 23, 2021, 08:16:58 AMWhat the fuck kind of question is that?

You claim that by supporting a business's right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason, I'm somehow reflecting the opinion of the Left/DNC, etc. I don't believe that is true.  I think Democrats are generally very much FOR protecting specific groups from discrimination, so....

Me: "I would love for you to find me all of the Democrats that support a businesses right to deny service to anyone."

You: "Are you fuckin serious? For starters, the DNC backing BLM and antifa with the help of the media."

Me: "Which BLM/Antifa members are business owners that the DNC is supporting?"

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 23, 2021, 08:31:14 AMYou claim that by supporting a business's right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason, I'm somehow reflecting the opinion of the Left/DNC, etc. I don't believe that is true.  I think Democrats are generally very much FOR protecting specific groups from discrimination, so....

Me: "I would love for you to find me all of the Democrats that support a businesses right to deny service to anyone."

You: "Are you fuckin serious? For starters, the DNC backing BLM and antifa with the help of the media."

Me: "Which BLM/Antifa members are business owners that the DNC is supporting?"

You said: "I would love for you to find me all of the Democrats that support a businesses right to deny service to anyone."

I simply pointed out that the Marxist DNC supports BLM and antifa with the help of their media.
How is that supporting business and stifling discrimination when in fact, they're supporting the destruction of their own cities and business via Marxist groups?

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 23, 2021, 07:35:49 AMI would love for you to find me all of the Democrats that support a businesses right to deny service to anyone.

Have you been paying attention to this thread?

Let's recap here.....

Title:  Can you be denied goods/services over Covid?

My take (summarized): I think a business should be permitted to deny service to people that aren't vaxxed if they want. I also support a businesses right to deny services to anyone, for any reason including race, sex, religion, etc.

Solar's take on my take (summarized): You're a racist, Marxist, Democrat who wants black people to die of thirst in the street.

Me: I'd love for you to show me all of the Democrats that support a businesses right to discriminate

Solar: For starters, the DNC backing BLM and antifa with the help of the media.

Me: Which BLM/Antifa members own businesses that Democrats are supporting? (Their right to discriminate)

Solar: WTF kind of question is that.

What am I missing?

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 23, 2021, 07:35:49 AMI would love for you to find me all of the Democrats that support a businesses right to deny service to anyone.

LOL they dont, they only support you being able to deny service to the unvaxed, despite the science saying covid isnt dangerous, doesnt exist, and is just the flu. See, youre parroting the marxist's position again.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 23, 2021, 10:48:03 AMLet's recap here.....

Title:  Can you be denied goods/services over Covid?

My take (summarized): I think a business should be permitted to deny service to people that aren't vaxxed if they want. I also support a businesses right to deny services to anyone, for any reason including race, sex, religion, etc.

Solar's take on my take (summarized): You're a racist, Marxist, Democrat who wants black people to die of thirst in the street.

Me: I'd love for you to show me all of the Democrats that support a businesses right to discriminate

Solar: For starters, the DNC backing BLM and antifa with the help of the media.

Me: Which BLM/Antifa members own businesses that Democrats are supporting? (Their right to discriminate)

Solar: WTF kind of question is that.

What am I missing?

The DNC Supports a bunch of commies doing the discrimination for them.
How fuckin dense are you?

Quote from: Solar on September 24, 2021, 07:42:30 AMThe DNC Supports a bunch of commies doing the discrimination for them.
How fuckin dense are you?

I'd love for you to show me all of the Democrats that support a business's right to discriminate.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 24, 2021, 07:48:29 AMI'd love for you to show me all of the Democrats that support a business's right to discriminate.

I don't give a fuck what you want, I'm having too much fun exposing your hypocrisy. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Quote from: Solar on September 24, 2021, 07:54:46 AMI don't give a fuck what you want, I'm having too much fun exposing your hypocrisy. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

The takeaway here is that your assertion that supporting a business's right to discriminate is somehow "Liberal" and common in the Democratic party is nonsense.  Democrats are the first ones to want to protect groups, most recently gays and trans.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 24, 2021, 08:09:39 AMThe takeaway here is that your assertion that supporting a business's right to discriminate is somehow "Liberal" and common in the Democratic party is nonsense.  Democrats are the first ones to want to protect groups, most recently gays and trans.

...and yet the GROUP of unvaccinated individuals is not protected?

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 24, 2021, 08:09:39 AMThe takeaway here is that your assertion that supporting a business's right to discriminate is somehow "Liberal" and common in the Democratic party is nonsense.  Democrats are the first ones to want to protect groups, most recently gays and trans.

Biggest lie you have told yet. The democrats use minorities only to suit their agenda. Trump supported the minorities, just look at how low the unemployment numbers were. did LBJ support minorities? What did Obama do to help out the minorities? Why was small businesses owned by minorities so high under Trump and so low under Obama? Why do democrats want to reduce the police departments when minorities themselves are against it? Where is the basis for your lies? Better come up with something good, this is the last place to be spreading your lies.

Quote from: Possum on September 24, 2021, 08:27:07 AMBiggest lie you have told yet. The democrats use minorities only to suit their agenda. Trump supported the minorities, just look at how low the unemployment numbers were. did LBJ support minorities? What did Obama do to help out the minorities? Why was small businesses owned by minorities so high under Trump and so low under Obama? Why do democrats want to reduce the police departments when minorities themselves are against it? Where is the basis for your lies? Better come up with something good, this is the last place to be spreading your lies.

Absolutely nothing you wrote addresses what I'm saying, nor is it contrary to what I'm saying.  Democrats are the party pushing for discrimination protections for various groups - whether it's hiring or business access.  Do you really think it was Republicans pushing for protection for gays and trans?

Quote from: Possum on September 24, 2021, 08:27:07 AMBiggest lie you have told yet. The democrats use minorities only to suit their agenda. Trump supported the minorities, just look at how low the unemployment numbers were. did LBJ support minorities? What did Obama do to help out the minorities? Why was small businesses owned by minorities so high under Trump and so low under Obama? Why do democrats want to reduce the police departments when minorities themselves are against it? Where is the basis for your lies? Better come up with something good, this is the last place to be spreading your lies.

Quote from: Lyndon B. Johnson"These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference... I'll have them niggers voting Democratic for the next two hundred years".

 :popcorn:

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 24, 2021, 08:43:38 AMAbsolutely nothing you wrote addresses what I'm saying, nor is it contrary to what I'm saying.  Democrats are the party pushing for discrimination protections for various groups - whether it's hiring or business access.  Do you really think it was Republicans pushing for protection for gays and trans?

Absolutely nothing you wrote proves your point. Democrats would not exist if not for dividing everyone. Conservatives push for equality for everyone, everyone created equal. But you did not show me how your lie is true.  Also, prove to me how a man can change his chromosomes based on his feelings. How is a man wearing a dress nothing more than a man wearing a dress?

Quote from: Possum on September 24, 2021, 09:41:22 AMAbsolutely nothing you wrote proves your point. Democrats would not exist if not for dividing everyone. Conservatives push for equality for everyone, everyone created equal. But you did not show me how your lie is true.  Also, prove to me how a man can change his chromosomes based on his feelings. How is a man wearing a dress nothing more than a man wearing a dress?

"Conservatives push for equality for everyone, everyone created equal."

So, as it pertains to discrimination laws, which is the only thing I'm talking about, which party is the one more likely to be pushing for protection from discrimination for various groups, like gay and trans.

And, before you continue to dishonestly call me a liar, you may want to consider what YOU just said before responding, because it seems you already know the answer to the question.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 24, 2021, 08:09:39 AMThe takeaway here is that your assertion that supporting a business's right to discriminate is somehow "Liberal" and common in the Democratic party is nonsense.  Democrats are the first ones to want to protect groups, most recently gays and trans.

Fuck, you are such a rube!!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Every group the left claims to be a victimized, was done by them! They aren't protecting shit, they use groups they created as fuckin pawns, you moron!

And you wonder why no one takes your lying ass seriously?

So, again, which political party is the one more likely to push for discrimination laws to protect specific groups?

Here, I'll help everyone out:

A) Democratic Party
B) Republican Party
C) I'm going to pretend I don't know because I don't want to admit p1tchblack is right.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 24, 2021, 10:23:47 AMSo, again, which political party is the one more likely to push for discrimination laws to protect specific groups?

Here, I'll help everyone out:

A) Democratic Party
B) Republican Party
C) I'm going to pretend I don't know because I don't want to admit p1tchblack is right.

Seriously, are you really really this ignorant of history? The DNC created these groups for a myriad of reasons, but mostly to divide the country and proclaim said groups as victims.
Tell me you didn't know that.

Quote from: Solar on September 24, 2021, 10:33:27 AMSeriously, are you really really this ignorant of history? The DNC created these groups for a myriad of reasons, but mostly to divide the country and proclaim said groups as victims.
Tell me you didn't know that.

Yes, seriously.  The Left is dependent on division for the success of their party.

Now, which party is more likely to push for discrimination laws to protect certain groups?

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 24, 2021, 11:01:09 AMYes, seriously.  The Left is dependent on division for the success of their party.

Now, which party is more likely to push for discrimination laws to protect certain groups?

You answered your own question troll.

Quote from: Solar on September 24, 2021, 11:38:43 AMYou answered your own question troll.

I already knew the answer to my question.  You also know the answer to the question.  So does Possum. The Left/Democrats/Marxists would lose their fucking minds at the assertion that businesses should be permitted to discriminate.

The fact that all of you know that it's Democrats who push for discrimination laws makes it even more ridiculous that I was accused of being a Marxist Democrat for being AGAINST discrimination laws and supporting a businesses right to deny service based on anything they wanted.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 24, 2021, 11:50:22 AMI already knew the answer to my question.  You also know the answer to the question.  So does Possum. The Left/Democrats/Marxists would lose their fucking minds at the assertion that businesses should be permitted to discriminate.

The fact that all of you know that it's Democrats who push for discrimination laws makes it even more ridiculous that I was accused of being a Marxist Democrat for being AGAINST discrimination laws and supporting a businesses right to deny service based on anything they wanted.

Again, you just answered your own question.
The left is all about creating "Victim Groups", then, they go about the process of claiming the opposition is evil for demanding equal justice under the law!
There is no such animal as "Specthal Rights".

God damn, you are one thick SOB!

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 24, 2021, 11:50:22 AMI already knew the answer to my question.  You also know the answer to the question.  So does Possum. The Left/Democrats/Marxists would lose their fucking minds at the assertion that businesses should be permitted to discriminate.

The fact that all of you know that it's Democrats who push for discrimination laws makes it even more ridiculous that I was accused of being a Marxist Democrat for being AGAINST discrimination laws and supporting a businesses right to deny service based on anything they wanted.

Yet you completly miss the point that it is the LEFT pushing for businesses to use vax status. That right there should tell you its wrong.

You are forgetting that covid is an attack on america by a foreign power. To demand vax status is aiding and abetting the enemy. THATS why its illegal.

Plus no business is ever permitted to demand personal health info. That is ALSO AGAINST THE LAW.

So yes, businesses can pick and choose. But not if its an enemy of america or has to do with health. Being gay is neither.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 24, 2021, 10:01:52 AM"Conservatives push for equality for everyone, everyone created equal."

So, as it pertains to discrimination laws, which is the only thing I'm talking about, which party is the one more likely to be pushing for protection from discrimination for various groups, like gay and trans.

And, before you continue to dishonestly call me a liar, you may want to consider what YOU just said before responding, because it seems you already know the answer to the question.

and again you have not proved your point. The dems protect no one from anything. Why are the worst cities to live in all run by democrats? Why did the plight of minorities not improve after eight years of Obama yet did after four years of Trump?
Name us liberal cities where minorities have a better standard of living compared to conservative cities. You can't. Instead I can name you cities where antifa and blm were allowed to destroy businesses owned by minorities. How did that help them? Again, minorities do not want to see police departments de funded, which party continues to push for that? Yet you claim the Democratic Party cares more about minorities, that is your biggest lie yet. Prove me wrong.

Quote from: Possum on September 24, 2021, 01:38:07 PMand again you have not proved your point. The dems protect no one from anything. Why are the worst cities to live in all run by democrats? Why did the plight of minorities not improve after eight years of Obama yet did after four years of Trump?
Name us liberal cities where minorities have a better standard of living compared to conservative cities. You can't. Instead I can name you cities where antifa and blm were allowed to destroy businesses owned by minorities. How did that help them? Again, minorities do not want to see police departments de funded, which party continues to push for that? Yet you claim the Democratic Party cares more about minorities, that is your biggest lie yet. Prove me wrong.

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Quote from: p1tchblack on September 24, 2021, 10:23:47 AMSo, again, which political party is the one more likely to push for discrimination laws to protect specific groups?

Here, I'll help everyone out:

A) Democratic Party
B) Republican Party
C) I'm going to pretend I don't know because I don't want to admit p1tchblack is right.

You get that marxists do not protect gays and women etc when in power, right? If they have done it in the past it is only as a tool, its not their MO, so no they wouldnt be more likely too. Your wrong yet again. Do you think china protects gays and women and minorities?

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 20, 2021, 02:28:31 PMI mean exactly what I said... there's nothing prohibiting a business owner from checking voter ID cards.  As to whether or not this person did it, I would guess he didn't.

But it is illegal to for a business to ask for proof of vax status.

https://www.hipaajournal.com/what-is-a-hipaa-violation/ (https://www.hipaajournal.com/what-is-a-hipaa-violation/)

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 24, 2021, 07:28:35 PM(https://c.tenor.com/elNSSfJmDtoAAAAC/sherlock-watson.gif)

And you still have not proved you lie.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 24, 2021, 07:28:35 PM(https://c.tenor.com/elNSSfJmDtoAAAAC/sherlock-watson.gif)

I knew you were young, but add immature to that.

Quote from: Solar on September 25, 2021, 05:30:28 AMI knew you were young, but add immature to that.

I'm beginning to suspect he is liberal. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Quote from: Possum on September 25, 2021, 05:33:43 AMI'm beginning to suspect he is liberal. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Say it ain't so...

more like mini Marxist...

Quote from: T Hunt on September 25, 2021, 12:00:11 AMBut it is illegal to for a business to ask for proof of vax status.

https://www.hipaajournal.com/what-is-a-hipaa-violation/ (https://www.hipaajournal.com/what-is-a-hipaa-violation/)

Tell that to all the people who are forced to provide proof of vaccination or be fired from their jobs. Tell that to all the parents that have to provide proof of immunizations for your kids to get into school or the people that have to show proof of vaccinations before traveling to certain countries.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 25, 2021, 08:02:55 AMTell that to all the people who are forced to provide proof of vaccination or be fired from their jobs. Tell that to all the parents that have to provide proof of immunizations for your kids to get into school or the people that have to show proof of vaccinations before traveling to certain countries.

Umm, we are, thats why they are organizing class action lawsuits against all these places and are gonna make bank. Constitution always wins in the end.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 25, 2021, 08:02:55 AMTell that to all the people who are forced to provide proof of vaccination or be fired from their jobs. Tell that to all the parents that have to provide proof of immunizations for your kids to get into school or the people that have to show proof of vaccinations before traveling to certain countries.

It's your side doing this, so what are YOU going to d about it?

Quote from: Possum on September 25, 2021, 05:33:43 AMI'm beginning to suspect he is liberal. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

He's not a liberal: he is a leftist.

Quote from: Possum on September 25, 2021, 04:50:50 AMAnd you still have not proved you lie.

I don't need to prove anything.  You already agreed with me when you said "Conservatives push for equality for everyone, everyone created equal.".  You said that to differentiate the views between Liberals and Conservatives.  The only problem is that you didn't follow it through to the logical conclusion, which is that Dems want to separate people into groups, portray them as victims AND THEN pass laws to protect them.

If you want to view everyone as equal, then you shouldn't want discrimination laws... Which serve only to treat people UNequally.

Quote from: Solar on September 25, 2021, 08:49:07 AMIt's your side doing this, so what are YOU going to d about it?

Nothing because I believe that businesses should be allowed to set requirements to work there and, if you don't like it, be a big boy/girl and go work somewhere else.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 25, 2021, 09:42:34 AMI don't need to prove anything.  You already agreed with me when you said "Conservatives push for equality for everyone, everyone created equal.".  You said that to differentiate the views between Liberals and Conservatives.  The only problem is that you didn't follow it through to the logical conclusion, which is that Dems want to separate people into groups, portray them as victims AND THEN pass laws to protect them.

If you want to view everyone as equal, then you shouldn't want discrimination laws... Which serve only to treat people UNequally.

That has to be the dumbest crap you have said to date. It should read, when everyone is treated equal, you do not need discrimination laws. See the difference? That is the difference between liberals and conservatives.

Quote from: Possum on September 25, 2021, 09:48:33 AMThat has to be the dumbest crap you have said to date. It should read, when everyone is treated equal, you do not need discrimination laws. See the difference? That is the difference between liberals and conservatives.

I don't buy into the assertion by Liberals that the country is full of bigots, racists, homophobes, etc.  Are there some?  Yep?  Was there a need for discrimination laws at one point in the history of our country?  Probably  just as there may have been a need for affirmative action laws.  I don't think that is the case now and I do not support the government forcing private businesses to serve or hire someone they don't want to serve/hire.

But, again, the point is that we both know which party pushes for discrimination laws and which party doesn't.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 25, 2021, 09:42:34 AMI don't need to prove anything.  You already agreed with me when you said "Conservatives push for equality for everyone, everyone created equal.".  You said that to differentiate the views between Liberals and Conservatives.  The only problem is that you didn't follow it through to the logical conclusion, which is that Dems want to separate people into groups, portray them as victims AND THEN pass laws to protect them.

If you want to view everyone as equal, then you shouldn't want discrimination laws... Which serve only to treat people UNequally.

You seem to have that ass backwards. Allowing businesses to discriminate against the unvaxxed would be treating people UNequally.

Your argument is akin to the south claiming the right to have slavery under the guise of 'freedom'. It was their 'freedom' to have slaves. You want to have the 'freedom' to discriminate due to some delusional science fiction.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 25, 2021, 09:46:14 AMNothing because I believe that businesses should be allowed to set requirements to work there and, if you don't like it, be a big boy/girl and go work somewhere else.

Yet you support the left, Hypocrite!

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 25, 2021, 10:01:33 AMI don't buy into the assertion by Liberals that the country is full of bigots, racists, homophobes, etc.  Are there some?  Yep?  Was there a need for discrimination laws at one point in the history of our country?  Probably  just as there may have been a need for affirmative action laws.  I don't think that is the case now and I do not support the government forcing private businesses to serve or hire someone they don't want to serve/hire.

But, again, the point is that we both know which party pushes for discrimination laws and which party doesn't.

There are more raciest in the democrat party than among conservatives. It is the democrats pushing for division among Americans.

Quote from: Solar on September 25, 2021, 11:39:51 AMYet you support the left, Hypocrite!

I don't even know what that means. I don't like wokeness. I'm more pro-2nd amendment than you are. I'm completely against discrimination laws. 

The fact that I don't believe in The Steal and other specific aspects of the Republican party, doesn't make me a Democrat or Leftist.  It may in your eyes because, like anyone who's highly political , you have a "your with us or against us" attitude. It's your opinion that I'm a Leftist, but it's only an opinion.

Quote from: T Hunt on September 25, 2021, 10:28:47 AMYou seem to have that ass backwards. Allowing businesses to discriminate against the unvaxxed would be treating people UNequally.

Your argument is akin to the south claiming the right to have slavery under the guise of 'freedom'. It was their 'freedom' to have slaves. You want to have the 'freedom' to discriminate due to some delusional science fiction.

People have a right to freedom. They don't have a right to shop at K-Mart.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 25, 2021, 12:38:06 PMPeople have a right to freedom. They don't have a right to shop at K-Mart.

If you really believe that, they why are you whining like a little baby when you get a time out for trolling the forum?

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 25, 2021, 12:38:06 PMPeople have a right to freedom. They don't have a right to shop at K-Mart.

first off, poor example, of all places, retail stores do not run off business. 2nd, since when is racism a right? You want to be a raciest nobody is stopping you, but if you are open to the public, follow the rules. You come to a conservative forum, did you really expect someone to agree with your racism?

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 25, 2021, 12:38:06 PMPeople have a right to freedom. They don't have a right to shop at K-Mart.

They do if the only reason not to is an attack on our country that borders on science fiction. Remember, its illegal to ask anything about my health.

Quote from: tac on September 25, 2021, 02:14:07 PMIf you really believe that, they why are you whining like a little baby when you get a time out for trolling the forum?

I have said repeatedly that the admins here can do whatever they want. When they banned me for saying things I never said and telling lies I never told, there's no reason I shouldn't point that out.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 25, 2021, 03:27:17 PMI have said repeatedly that the admins here can do whatever they want. When they banned me for saying things I never said and telling lies I never told, there's no reason I shouldn't point that out.

Bull Shit! You lied about throwing your ballot in the trash, then claimed to vote in person.
Tat's a lie and you know it!
Own it, you said it and you were caught, do I need to pull up what you posted?

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 25, 2021, 12:37:16 PMI don't even know what that means.

Cut the crap, 99% of your posts are leftist to the core!

QuoteI don't like wokeness. I'm more pro-2nd amendment than you are. I'm completely against discrimination laws. 

Oh, do please explain, this should be rich. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

QuoteThe fact that I don't believe in The Steal and other specific aspects of the Republican party

What are you talking about?

Quotedoesn't make me a Democrat or Leftist.  It may in your eyes because, like anyone who's highly political , you have a "your with us or against us" attitude. It's your opinion that I'm a Leftist, but it's only an opinion.

You either believe we're a Republic of laws, or you're a leftist, it's that simple!
It's not just an opinion, it's a Fact!

Quote from: Solar on September 25, 2021, 03:58:43 PMOh, do please explain, this should be rich. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

 :popcorn:

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on September 25, 2021, 04:14:20 PM:popcorn:

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
For a guy that doesn't believe in the Republic, this should be rich as Hell. :rolleyes:

Quote from: Solar on September 25, 2021, 03:58:43 PMOh, do please explain, this should be rich. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

here, I'll start it for him.
  Once upon a time, long long, ago, in a far away place...........

Quote from: Possum on September 25, 2021, 04:19:12 PMhere, I'll start it for him.
  Once upon a time, long long, ago, in a far away place...........

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

And Unicorn farts powered great cities...

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 25, 2021, 12:37:16 PMI don't even know what that means. I don't like wokeness. I'm more pro-2nd amendment than you are. I'm completely against discrimination laws. 

The fact that I don't believe in The Steal and other specific aspects of the Republican party, doesn't make me a Democrat or Leftist.  It may in your eyes because, like anyone who's highly political , you have a "your with us or against us" attitude. It's your opinion that I'm a Leftist, but it's only an opinion.

Yet you support the lefts call for illegally checking vax papers before you can use a business. Whatever the enemies of America want is always bad.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 25, 2021, 03:27:17 PMI have said repeatedly that the admins here can do whatever they want. When they banned me for saying things I never said and telling lies I never told, there's no reason I shouldn't point that out.

Yet you never offer any proof of such allegations, screen shots, or pic with the relevant statements side by side...

Quote from: Solar on September 25, 2021, 04:21:33 PM:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

And Unicorn farts powered great cities...

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Hey, I'm stealing that.  :lol:  :lol:

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 25, 2021, 12:37:16 PMI don't even know what that means. I don't like wokeness. I'm more pro-2nd amendment than you are. I'm completely against discrimination laws. 

The fact that I don't believe in The Steal and other specific aspects of the Republican party, doesn't make me a Democrat or Leftist.  It may in your eyes because, like anyone who's highly political , you have a "your with us or against us" attitude. It's your opinion that I'm a Leftist, but it's only an opinion.

Excuse me? The audits just proved MASSIVE FRAUD against trump, just like we have been saying all along.

Or did you not read it yet? Just like you refused to even look at most of the other proof of massive fraud. The only evidence you ever address is when you think you can refute it, yet you never do. You NEVER address any of the solid irrefutable proof we show you over and over again, claiming you never saw it.

Quote from: Solar on September 25, 2021, 03:54:42 PMBull Shit! You lied about throwing your ballot in the trash, then claimed to vote in person.
Tat's a lie and you know it!
Own it, you said it and you were caught, do I need to pull up what you posted?

Great, then PROVE that I didn't throw my ballot in the trash and vote in person or retract your claim.

And, yes, pull up the my post and then pull up your evidence that I didn't do exactly what I said I did, not only in this last election but previous elections.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 25, 2021, 05:09:17 PMGreat, then PROVE that I didn't throw my ballot in the trash and vote in person or retract your claim.

And, yes, pull up the my post and then pull up your evidence that I didn't do exactly what I said I did, not only in this last election but previous elections.

I don't have to prove shit, your words are proof enough!
If I have to pull up your post and prove you lied, it will be the last time you ever post on this forum ever!

So I suggest you prove you didn't lie, got it?

Quote from: Solar on September 25, 2021, 05:44:18 PMI don't have to prove shit, your words are proof enough!
If I have to pull up your post and prove you lied, it will be the last time you ever post on this forum ever!

So I suggest you prove you didn't lie, got it?

We moved in 2010 and when I re-registered to vote, my wife and I were enrolled in PEVL (Permanent Early Voting) which is a program Arizona started in 2007:

In 2007, Arizona made it even easier to regularly vote early. The state established the Permanent Early Voting List (PEVL). When voters sign up for this, they are automatically mailed a ballot for each election without having to request one.

https://coppercourier.com/story/a-timeline-of-arizonas-long-history-of-early-voting/

Here's the link to sign up:

https://recorder.maricopa.gov/PermEvSignup/

However, we both choose to vote in person, which is perfectly legal also:

17. Can I vote in-person on Election Day or before if I already requested or received a ballot in the mail?

Yes, if you received your ballot by mail, you can still choose to vote in person if you have not already voted by mail. Our check-in system will cancel your mailed ballot if you vote in-person. It also knows if voters have already cast a ballot by mail or in person and would then issue a provisional ballot.

In person voting locations are open starting 27 days before an election. Visit Locations.Maricopa.Vote for hours and locations.

https://recorder.maricopa.gov/site/faq.aspx

Any questions?

Now, if you're just pissed off and are looking for an excuse to ban me, then you'll claim that I didn't prove anything.  Of course, only a lunatic would take a picture or shoot video of themselves throwing a ballot away and voting.  But, hey, I'm curious to see if you have any level of integrity, since YOU are the one accusing ME of lying, which means the burden of proof should be on you, so if this is my last post here, I'll have my answer:

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Quote from: p1tchblack on September 25, 2021, 06:16:09 PMNow, if you're just pissed off and are looking for an excuse to ban me, then you'll claim that I didn't prove anything.  Of course, only a lunatic would take a picture or shoot video of themselves throwing a ballot away and voting.  But, hey, I'm curious to see if you have any level of integrity, since YOU are the one accusing ME of lying, which means the burden of proof should be on you, so if this is my last post here, I'll have my answer:

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How stupid do you think we are?
We have permanent absentee voting in my county, but when you get the ballot, you may come in person and vote or mail it in. I choose to personally deliver it to the registrar in person.
But you must use the one sent to your home, or you're screwed.

You claimed you threw it away. Therefore you would have been given a provisional ballot and your vote would be held and counted at a latter date. This means there's a possibility your vote wouldn't matter.

You made no mention of this when I first called you out, so based on your failure to mention this very important piece of information, you lied, and are now and forever known as a liar on this forum!

Quote from: Solar on September 25, 2021, 06:59:56 PMHow stupid do you think we are?
We have permanent absentee voting in my county, but when you get the ballot, you may come in person and vote or mail it in. I choose to personally deliver it to the registrar in person.
But you must use the one sent to your home, or you're screwed.

You claimed you threw it away. Therefore you would have been given a provisional ballot and your vote would be held and counted at a latter date. This means there's a possibility your vote wouldn't matter.

You made no mention of this when I first called you out, so based on your failure to mention this very important piece of information, you lied, and are now and forever known as a liar on this forum!

I threw it away and voted in person. Period. That's it. I claimed nothing more and nothing less. I told you EXACTLY what I did. Your assumptions change nothing.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 25, 2021, 07:22:05 PMI threw it away and voted in person. Period. That's it. I claimed nothing more and nothing less. I told you EXACTLY what I did. Your assumptions change nothing.

You requested a ballot, then threw it away to vote in person?  Why?

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 25, 2021, 07:22:05 PMI threw it away and voted in person. Period. That's it. I claimed nothing more and nothing less. I told you EXACTLY what I did. Your assumptions change nothing.

We're not that stupid liar!!!

You can't leave an extra ballot floating around for God knows who might pick up, there are laws against it.
It really is that simple.
The fact that you failed to mention the simple fact: "Why didn't they ask you where your ballot was" says it all...

It's obvious you are too damn young to understand simple voter laws, which is why you thought you could get away with lying.

Kid, you simply aren't as smart as mommy said you were, you're dealing with adults with decades more experience than you could ever hope to glean.

Not that it really matters, but you've lost all credibility you had left-ist.

Quote from: taxed on September 25, 2021, 08:41:59 PMYou requested a ballot, then threw it away to vote in person?  Why?

Because he lied.

Quote from: Solar on September 25, 2021, 08:50:34 PMWe're not that stupid liar!!!

You can't leave an extra ballot floating around for God knows who might pick up, there are laws against it.
It really is that simple.
The fact that you failed to mention the simple fact: "Why didn't they ask you where your ballot was" says it all...

It's obvious you are too damn young to understand simple voter laws, which is why you thought you could get away with lying.

Kid, you simply aren't as smart as mommy said you were, you're dealing with adults with decades more experience than you could ever hope to glean.

Not that it really matters, but you've lost all credibility you had left-ist.

No, you CAN leave mailed ballots sitting around. You CAN toss them out.  I've done it e v e r y election since I started receiving them.

And I mean E V E R Y election.

Quote from: Solar on September 25, 2021, 08:51:03 PMBecause he lied.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

This is hilarious.  He honestly thought we were too stupid to nail him on this.

Lyin' PB.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 25, 2021, 09:01:11 PMNo, you CAN leave mailed ballots sitting around. You CAN toss them out.  I've done it e v e r y election since I started receiving them.

And I mean E V E R Y election.

You request them every election, then go vote in person?

Quote from: taxed on September 25, 2021, 09:21:40 PMYou request them every election, then go vote in person?

Explained in post #110

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 25, 2021, 10:18:48 PMExplained in post #110

Ah, I actually now caught you in two lies on this.... but I'd have to go back and look through your posts on this to get your exact wording...  I'll give you a pass until I have time (and to let you dig a hole further).

Quote from: taxed on September 25, 2021, 10:34:35 PMAh, I actually now caught you in two lies on this.... but I'd have to go back and look through your posts on this to get your exact wording...  I'll give you a pass until I have time (and to let you dig a hole further).

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so you could have voted twice? Mail in and in person?

Quote from: taxed on September 25, 2021, 09:21:40 PMYou request them every election, then go vote in person?

Given the way the election was stolen and the "elites" thinking that they know better than the population, how do we KNOW that he didn't vote absentee AND in person?

Quote from: Possum on September 26, 2021, 03:55:53 AMso you could have voted twice? Mail in and in person?

I guess this is a habit with leftists, request a ballot, vote in person and assume they won't bother to check if he voted twice?
Now we're supposed to believe his integrity is so high, that he never submitted the one he claims to have thrown in the trash.

And God knows, no one ever snoops through peoples garbage... :rolleyes:

Quote from: Possum on September 26, 2021, 03:55:53 AMso you could have voted twice? Mail in and in person?

Of course.  Anyone that gets a ballot by mail could if they wanted to.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 06:45:20 AMOf course.  Anyone that gets a ballot by mail could if they wanted to.

Yet you don't see an issue with that? Fuckin Liar!!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Quote from: Solar on September 26, 2021, 05:35:45 AMI guess this is a habit with leftists, request a ballot, vote in person and assume they won't bother to check if he voted twice?
Now we're supposed to believe his integrity is so high, that he never submitted the one he claims to have thrown in the trash.

And God knows, no one ever snoops through peoples garbage... :rolleyes:

Why in the hell would I vote twice?  Even if I had no sense of right/wrong, the penalties for voter fraud are high, people are caught all the time*** and for what? ONE extra vote that will change absolutely nothing?

Plus, you have to show ID to vote or case a provisional ballot.  Any automated system is probably going to catch duplicate votes from same name/address.

*** https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 06:53:21 AMWhy in the hell would I vote twice?  Even if I had no sense of right/wrong, the penalties for voter fraud are high, people are caught all the time*** and for what? ONE extra vote that will change absolutely nothing?

Plus, you have to show ID to vote or case a provisional ballot.  Any automated system is probably going to catch duplicate votes from same name/address.

*** https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

Because the system is designed to prevent fraud, like the one you claim to have committed.
This is why w know you lied!!!!

Quote from: Solar on September 26, 2021, 06:47:46 AMYet you don't see an issue with that? Fuckin Liar!!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Where did I say I don't have an issue with that?

Quote from: Solar on September 26, 2021, 06:56:42 AMBecause the system is designed to prevent fraud, like the one you claim to have committed.
This is why w know you lied!!!!

Lol.... You are so twisted into knots, you can't even keep your false accusations of lying straight.  :lol:

This is really embarrassing for you. You make baseless accusations of lying like they're nothing, but then ban people for lying. Zero integrity.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 06:56:47 AMWhere did I say I don't have an issue with that?

Because your claim you voted after having tossed your ballot.
Son, the shit you claim you did, would have set off red flags all over the place, you'd have not been allowed to vote, they would have grilled you over your missing ballot, they would have issued you a provisional ballot, one that would have been scrutinized, and most likely not be counted soon enough to count.

We know from your posts, you're a good little commie, and throwing your ballot in the trash would never be acceptable.
Stop with the fuckin lying, you're only looking more and more like a delusional idiot.
We know you're not stupid, and making the claims you've made would mean, you're either an idiot or a liar, You choose.

We know the truth, you're both!

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 06:58:33 AMLol.... You are so twisted into knots, you can't even keep your false accusations of lying straight.  :lol:

This is really embarrassing for you. You make baseless accusations of lying like they're nothing, but then ban people for lying. Zero integrity.

Do you really want to go down that road, troll?

Quote from: Solar on September 26, 2021, 07:07:09 AMBecause your claim you voted after having tossed your ballot.

Which is what I did and, if you bother to read post number 110, is completely authorized by the fucking State of Arizona! LOL!!

QuoteSon, the shit you claim you did, would have set off red flags all over the place, you'd have not been allowed to vote, they would have grilled you over your missing ballot, they would have issued you a provisional ballot, one that would have been scrutinized, and most likely not be counted soon enough to count.

Except that, anyone with a sixth grade reading level could read what the state of Arizona site said in post 110 and see that what I did was perfectly legal.

QuoteWe know from your posts, you're a good little commie, and throwing your ballot in the trash would never be acceptable.

What the fuck else am I going to do with it? Collect them over the years and create some kind of unused ballot quilt? Ha ha ha!!!!

QuoteStop with the fuckin lying, you're only looking more and more like a delusional idiot.

You are the biggest liar here. You make claims about others lying when you have absolutely no way of proving them to be lies. That is the Pinnacle of dishonesty.

QuoteWe know you're not stupid, and making the claims you've made would mean, you're either an idiot or a liar, You choose.

No, actually they don't. When I re-register to vote, after moving, I thought it would be convenient to receive ballots in the mail, so I signed up for it, but realized that I prefer to vote in person. What exactly is dishonest or idiotic about that? Like any important mail, I tear it up before throwing it away. Explain the issue with that, Mr honesty.

QuoteWe know the truth, you're both!

I'm relatively sure you wouldn't know honesty if it's sexually assaulted you.

Oh, by the way, when I write lengthy posts exposing the hypocrisy, dishonesty and double standard around here, they magically vanish.

#Honestyindeed

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 07:15:47 AMWhich is what I did and, if you bother to read post number 110, is completely authorized by the fucking State of Arizona! LOL!!
Except that, anyone with a sixth grade reading level could read what the state of Arizona site said in post 110 and see that what I did was perfectly legal.


What the fuck else am I going to do with it? Collect them over the years and create some kind of unused ballot quilt? Ha ha ha!!!!
You are the biggest liar here. You make claims about others lying when you have absolutely no way of proving them to be lies. That is the Pinnacle of dishonesty.


No, actually they don't. When I re-register to vote, after moving, I thought it would be convenient to receive ballots in the mail, so I signed up for it, but realized that I prefer to vote in person. What exactly is dishonest or idiotic about that? Like any important mail, I tear it up before throwing it away. Explain the issue with that, Mr honesty.
I'm relatively sure you wouldn't know honesty if it's sexually assaulted you.

Oh, by the way, when I write lengthy posts exposing the hypocrisy, dishonesty and double standard around here, they magically vanish.

#Honestyindeed

So you ask for two ballots? One by mail and one in person? You say that one extra vote does not matter, what if there are 100,000  what if the are 200,000 just like you who register by mail, vote and send it in, and vote in person? Did the dnc tell you how to do this? Why after the first time you "threw" away your ballot and realized you preferred to vote in person did you not stop the mail ballots? Does the integrity of the election not matter? do you now believe there is voter fraud? Ever hear the old saying "if it walks like a duck"?

On a side note.. lol.. now that the main topic has been addressed, I just want to mention the level of insanity and demonization that goes on here. :lol:  :lol:

The assertion was made that people, apparently including myself, could dig through trash cans trying to find unused ballots which could then be used to commit voter fraud. I'm really kind of curious, how many ballots (I'm trying to do talk-to-text here, but keep laughing as I'm talking) a person could be expected to find. What is the ROI on this type of endeavor?

First, people who truly need to dig through garbage cans, to find aluminum cans for recycling to make some money, are not going to give two shits about ballots second, 90% of people in Arizona keep their garbage cans in their backyard, so this ballot scavenger hunt would have to happen on the one day when the recycle bins are sitting outside, unless the person plans to enter backyard after backyard hunting for ballots.

I mean, this whole concept of people going from garbage can to garbage can, on the one day a week when they are on the curb in front of houses, is some of the most ridiculous, conspiracy theorist fucking stupidity I have heard in a long time. You would probably have to go through thousands of garbage cans to even find one ballot!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Oh, and by the way, people are going to see you doing it and call the police because it's illegal to go through somebody else's garbage! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

And I'm supposed to believe this is happening on a large scale? It would take an army of thousands of people to even come close to finding a meaningful amount of ballots to have even the slightest prayer of moving the needle in the smallest of elections!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Where does this shit come from?? I mean, seriously, where does this shit come from? What kind of psychotic Alex Jones bullshit is on the internet that is making people believe this is realistic?

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 07:52:52 AMOn a side note.. lol.. now that the main topic has been addressed, I just want to mention the level of insanity and demonization that goes on here. :lol:  :lol:

The assertion was made that people, apparently including myself, could dig through trash cans trying to find unused ballots which could then be used to commit voter fraud. I'm really kind of curious, how many ballots (I'm trying to do talk-to-text here, but keep laughing as I'm talking) a person could be expected to find. What is the ROI on this type of endeavor?

First, people who truly need to dig through garbage cans, to find aluminum cans for recycling to make some money, are not going to give two shits about ballots second, 90% of people in Arizona keep their garbage cans in their backyard, so this ballot scavenger hunt would have to happen on the one day when the recycle bins are sitting outside, unless the person plans to enter backyard after backyard hunting for ballots.

I mean, this whole concept of people going from garbage can to garbage can, on the one day a week when they are on the curb in front of houses, is some of the most ridiculous, conspiracy theorist fucking stupidity I have heard in a long time. You would probably have to go through thousands of garbage cans to even find one ballot!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Oh, and by the way, people are going to see you doing it and call the police because it's illegal to go through somebody else's garbage! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

And I'm supposed to believe this is happening on a large scale? It would take an army of thousands of people to even come close to finding a meaningful amount of ballots to have even the slightest prayer of moving the needle in the smallest of elections!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Nice try at moving the goalposts. You asked for a ballot in the mail, then also voted in person. Did 200,000 liberals also know that trick? Did the dnc teach you that? Still claim there is NO voter fraud when YOU just proved how easy it is?

Quote from: Possum on September 26, 2021, 07:57:42 AMNice try at moving the goalposts. You asked for a ballot in the mail, then also voted in person. Did 200,000 liberals also know that trick? Did the dnc teach you that? Still claim there is NO voter fraud when YOU just proved how easy it is?

I have NEVER claimed there is no voter fraud. There is voter fraud, but only idiots do it and the largest example I'm aware of was in the hundreds which  again  wouldn't move the needle in 99.99% of elections. No sane person is going to risk the consequences over ONE ballot.

You guys live in a different world than me... That's all there is to it!!  I don't know how you sleep at night considering the view you have of your fellow Americans.

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Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 08:21:48 AMI have NEVER claimed there is no voter fraud. There is voter fraud, but only idiots do it and the largest example I'm aware of was in the hundreds which  again  wouldn't move the needle in 99.99% of elections. No sane person is going to risk the consequences over ONE ballot.

You guys live in a different world than me... That's all there is to it!!  I don't know how you sleep at night considering the view you have of your fellow Americans.

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How come you don't answer questions? You just showed how easy it would be for liberals to cheat and change the outcome. The audits are showing just that, there was wide spread voter fraud. As to your baseless comment about how we feel about our fellow Americans, it is liberals who we despise for wanting to destroy our government and replace it with socialism which the American people did not vote for. For wanting to defund the police and sink liberal hell holes further down that path, for pushing the woke agenda in order to separate Americans. Get the point yet?  And we thank God daily we do not see the world the way you do.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 07:15:47 AMWhich is what I did and, if you bother to read post number 110, is completely authorized by the fucking State of Arizona! LOL!!
Except that, anyone with a sixth grade reading level could read what the state of Arizona site said in post 110 and see that what I did was perfectly legal.

I've read all your bull shit! What you did was not legal!!!!
You claim to have discarded a legal ballot, and that's fine if you never vote, but you did, so you technically committed fraud by leaving a ballot anyone could snatch from the garbage.

Do you really think were so stupid as to believe you pulled such a boneheaded stunt?
You're on a political forum, yet claim you had no interest in voting, so you tossed it?  Holy Shit, you are fuckin delusional as well as stupid! Did you really think we'd fall for that shit?

QuoteWhat the fuck else am I going to do with it? Collect them over the years and create some kind of unused ballot quilt? Ha ha ha!!!!
You are the biggest liar here. You make claims about others lying when you have absolutely no way of proving them to be lies. That is the Pinnacle of dishonesty

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Your every post proves I'm Right and you're lying. You dig deeper as you try and expand on your bull shit LIES!

QuoteNo, actually they don't. When I re-register to vote, after moving, I thought it would be convenient to receive ballots in the mail, so I signed up for it, but realized that I prefer to vote in person. What exactly is dishonest or idiotic about that?

I'll let this stand on its own, totally proves my point, because nowhere did you point out that you changed how you would receive a ballot in the future.

 

QuoteLike any important mail, I tear it up before throwing it away. Explain the issue with that, Mr honesty.
I'm relatively sure you wouldn't know honesty if it's sexually assaulted you.

So now you try and change the narrative of simply throwing it away, to tearing it up?
Any other pertinent details you'd like to add? Maybe how that was the last time you allowed a ballot to be delivered to your home by mail?
Son, it's obvious you aren't really good at lying on a regular basis, that's obvious from just how unprepared you were when called on your lies. You forget, I used to be a detective, this shit is second nature for me....

QuoteOh, by the way, when I write lengthy posts exposing the hypocrisy, dishonesty and double standard around here, they magically vanish.

That's a blatant lie, I've only deleted your OP's when the same article had already been posted, which you did two in the last month.

Quote#Honestyindeed

Yeah, how about that? LIAR!!!

^^^^I am done being pulled into your world of insanity^^^^^^^^^

I am going to post my opinion with supporting facts, when needed, but I am leaving crazyville to you and taxed.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 10:21:00 AM^^^^I am done being pulled into your world of insanity^^^^^^^^^

I am going to post my opinion with supporting facts, when needed, but I am leaving crazyville to you and taxed.

So you admit trump won the election? Or are you still living in the insane crazy fantasyland where biden won?

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 23, 2021, 07:35:49 AMI would love for you to find me all of the Democrats that support a businesses right to deny service to anyone.

Let's start with social media companies: look how they censor and ban Conservatives for their opinion or for facts they don't like. Twitter banned Trump. Lefties support that.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 25, 2021, 12:37:16 PMI don't even know what that means. I don't like wokeness. I'm more pro-2nd amendment than you are.

Prove it.

Solar: don't let him get away with this.

QuoteI'm completely against discrimination laws. 

QuoteIMO, we should all support the right of businesses to decide who their customers are. We don't want government, in 99% of situations, to say "You have have to serve this person".  If I want to hang a sign on the front of my restaurant that says "No Blacks, no Hispanics, No Women, No cripples and No Lesbos", that should be my right, just as it would be with my home.

Yet, you have no problem with discrimination.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on September 26, 2021, 11:24:27 AMLet's start with social media companies: look how they censor and ban Conservatives for their opinion or for facts they don't like. Twitter banned Trump. Lefties support that.

I agree that many on the left did support Trump and others being banned for spreading, what they believe to be, dangerous lies. It doesn't matter to me, but that was more about what he was doing then who he was. He wasn't banned for being white, male, straight or any of the other protected classifications.I don't believe that many on the left would support a business's rights to deny service based on any of the currently legally protected criteria.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 11:43:09 AMI agree that many on the left did support Trump and others being banned for spreading, what they believe to be, dangerous lies. It doesn't matter to me, but that was more about what he was doing then who he was. He wasn't banned for being white, male, straight or any of the other protected classifications.I don't believe that many on the left would support a business's rights to deny service based on any of the currently legally protected criteria.

Do you believe it was lies? Do you support his banning?

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on September 26, 2021, 11:35:43 AMProve it.

Solar: don't let him get away with this.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on September 26, 2021, 11:35:43 AMProve it.

Solar: don't let him get away with this.

https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/fred-call's-world/should-convicted-felons-be-allowed-to-own-guns/

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I personally have an issue with discrimination and racism... and bigotry.  But, my personal beliefs are secondary to others' rights. If I were a business owner, I would not be involved in discrimination, however, I believe in the right of a business owner to serve or not serve any customer for any reason.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on September 26, 2021, 11:35:43 AMProve it.

Solar: don't let him get away with this.

https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/fred-call's-world/should-convicted-felons-be-allowed-to-own-guns/

QuoteYet, you have no problem with discrimination.

I personally have an issue with discrimination and racism... and bigotry.  But, my personal beliefs are secondary to others' rights. If I were a business owner, I would not be involved in discrimination, however, I believe in the right of a business owner to serve or not serve any customer for any reason.

Can we rename this thread to "Pitchblack In Wonderland"? He is really going down the rabbit hole.




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Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 10:21:00 AM^^^^I am done being pulled into your world of insanity^^^^^^^^^

I am going to post my opinion with supporting facts, when needed, but I am leaving crazyville to you and taxed.

Well I'll be. When is this going to start? Are you ever going to start answering questions too? Start with this one, you come to a conservative forum and start preaching the liberal views, did you really think you would find someone here who would agree with you?

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 12:21:15 PMhttps://conservativepoliticalforum.com/fred-call's-world/should-convicted-felons-be-allowed-to-own-guns/

Obviously, you didn't read any what was posted. If we can actually stop and punish for those crimes, then we can discuss returning of 2nd Amendment Rights. Other than that you, everybody including you are giving them another chance to commit crimes.

Just an FYI: criminal's don't own legal guns. Somewhere in the process, their gun became illegal before or after it got in their hands.

You can reply in that thread since it is about gun rights. This thread is about discrimination. Do not further take this thread off topic.

QuoteI personally have an issue with discrimination and racism... and bigotry.  But, my personal beliefs are secondary to others' rights. If I were a business owner, I would not be involved in discrimination, however, I believe in the right of a business owner to serve or not serve any customer for any reason.

If you have an issue with discrimination, then why do you support discrimination? That's like supporting LGBT when the act of sticking a male penis into another man's anus disgusts you.

If you hate discrimination, will YOU condemn this topic's subject entity trying to discriminate?

(yes, this topic is based on something real. I will not disclose it because it does not matter who or what they are, but the fact they are attempting to do it)

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on September 26, 2021, 12:56:25 PMObviously, you didn't read any what was posted. If we can actually stop and punish for those crimes, then we can discuss returning of 2nd Amendment Rights. Other than that you, everybody including you are giving them another chance to commit crimes.

Just an FYI: criminal's don't own legal guns. Somewhere in the process, their gun became illegal before or after it got in their hands.

You can reply in that thread since it is about gun rights. This thread is about discrimination. Do not further take this thread off topic.

You told me to prove it and I did. If you don't want me to prove it, then don't fucking ask me to prove itas YOU did on the previous page.

QuoteIf you have an issue with discrimination, then why do you support discrimination? That's like supporting LGBT when the act of sticking a male penis into another man's anus disgusts you.

If you hate discrimination, will YOU condemn this topic's subject entity trying to discriminate?

Supporting someone's RIGHT to do something isn't the same as supporting how thy use their right.  I find the use of biggoted terms like ni**er to be disgusting and burning the American flag to be terrible, but I support the RIGHT to do both.

Quote(yes, this topic is based on something real. I will not disclose it because it does not matter who or what they are, but the fact they are attempting to do it)

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 01:22:41 PMYou told me to prove it and I did. If you don't want me to prove it, then don't fucking ask me to prove it as YOU did on the previous page.

You didn't prove anything. You just referred to a thread. You didn't even point to a specific post that supposedly proved that.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 25, 2021, 12:37:16 PMI'm more pro-2nd amendment than you are.

Solar: is he more 2nd Amendment that you?

QuoteSupporting someone's RIGHT to do something isn't the same as supporting how thy use their right.  I find the use of biggoted terms like ni**er to be disgusting and burning the American flag to be terrible, but I support the RIGHT to do both.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on September 26, 2021, 12:56:25 PMIf you hate discrimination, will YOU condemn this topic's subject entity trying to discriminate?

Will you condemn this form of discrimination? Yes or No.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on September 26, 2021, 01:56:56 PMYou didn't prove anything. You just referred to a thread. You didn't even point to a specific post that supposedly proved that.

Solar: is he more 2nd Amendment that you?

Will you condemn this form of discrimination? Yes or No.

Yes  I personally condemn discrimination, but support the right of a business owner to deny service for any reason.

The thread is basically me defending the right if a convicted felon, who has done their time, the right to own a gun.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 02:34:49 PMYes  I personally condemn discrimination, but support the right of a business owner to deny service for any reason.

You condemn discrimination, but you support it.

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QuoteThe thread is basically me defending the right if a convicted felon, who has done their time, the right to own a gun.

Criminals have never legally own guns. They have never went through a background check, nor bought legally from a store. They willfully committed a crime, and you want to give them the legal ability to commit more crimes?

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on September 26, 2021, 02:59:46 PMYou condemn discrimination, but you support it.

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I'll try one more time...

I don't support it personally, but I support the RIGHT of a business to deny service as they want.  That includes discriminating if they choose.

QuoteCriminals have never legally own guns. They have never went through a background check, nor bought legally from a store. They willfully committed a crime, and you want to give them the legal ability to commit more crimes?

So much for not derailing and responding in the appropriate thread.

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Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 03:25:40 PMI'll try one more time...

I don't support it personally, but I support the RIGHT of a business to deny service as they want.  That includes discriminating if they choose.



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Supporting others who practice racism makes you a racist also. Racism is not a right. there is no place for it. Name a country that practices racism, and there are many, that are better because of it.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 03:25:40 PMSo much for not derailing and responding in the appropriate thread.

I don't see you responding in the appropriate thread either.

 :rolleyes:

Quote from: Possum on September 26, 2021, 03:40:37 PMSupporting others who practice racism makes you a racist also. Racism is not a right. there is no place for it.

So, even though I've never burned an American flag, am I a flag burner for supporting the right to free speech, including flag burning? 

QuoteName a country that practices racism, and there are many, that are better because of it.

That's secondary to the point.  If we are going to start outlawing things because they don't make the country better, then we should also outlaw racist/biggoted speech, like England does, right?  What about fast food?  I think we all know we'd be better off without fast food. Should we outlaw cigarettes and alcohol (again), too?

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 04:08:57 PMSo, even though I've never burned an American flag, am I a flag burner for supporting the right to free speech, including flag burning? 

That's secondary to the point.  If we are going to start outlawing things because they don't make the country better, then we should also outlaw racist/biggoted speech, like England does, right?  What about fast food?  I think we all know we'd be better off without fast food. Should we outlaw cigarettes and alcohol (again), too?

I never said to outlaw anything, learn to read. I said if you support raciest then you too are a raciest. Flag burning is legal, I do not support it, discrimination is not legal nor is it a right. You are the one supporting it and claiming it is a right. If racism was ok, if discrimination was a right as you are arguing it is, I have to assume you are ok with forcing minorities to use a different water fountain, a different restaurant, sit at the back of a bus because it is someone's right? You can not be more wrong or more despicable. This country has come to far to go back to your liberal democratic way of thinking and justifying racism.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on September 26, 2021, 03:51:34 PMI don't see you responding in the appropriate thread either.

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Quote from: Possum on September 26, 2021, 04:14:20 PMI never said to outlaw anything, learn to read. I said if you support raciest then you too are a raciest. Flag burning is legal, I do not support it, discrimination is not legal nor is it a right. You are the one supporting it and claiming it is a right.

But you want discrimination to remain outlawed and deny the right....

Forget it..

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Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 04:21:09 PMRight... Because

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Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 04:25:16 PMBut you want discrimination to remain outlawed and deny the right....

Forget it..

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go back and read the post, should it be someone's right to demand minorities use a different water fountain just because he owns the business? Can there be a separate section in the restaurant for minorities because you think someone has a right to be a racist? You are despicable.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 04:35:43 PMYes. It's your business, just as it is your house. You, the owner, set the rules.


Yes, there can be. Again, the property owner should be able to set the rules for what happens inside their property.

first off your wrong, those are in violation of not only man's laws but also of moral decency. This country has come to far in striving for equality for your damn liberal democratic way of mistaken beliefs. And you have the audacity to say you do not wish to live in our world? So tell me again how the Democratic Party cares about the minorities and fights against discrimination.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 10:21:00 AM^^^^I am done being pulled into your world of insanity^^^^^^^^^

I am going to post my opinion with supporting facts, when needed, but I am leaving crazyville to you and taxed.

Translation: PB was caught lying like a little spoiled brat and he can't stand having his feet held to the fire.
If only your parents would have stopped with the BS timeouts, and swatted your ass when you got caught, this all could have been avoided.
Lie again, and you will be banned permanently!

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 12:21:15 PMhttps://conservativepoliticalforum.com/fred-call's-world/should-convicted-felons-be-allowed-to-own-guns/

I personally have an issue with discrimination and racism... and bigotry.  But, my personal beliefs are secondary to others' rights. If I were a business owner, I would not be involved in discrimination, however, I believe in the right of a business owner to serve or not serve any customer for any reason.

Is that supposed to prove you are a bigger proponent of the 2nd than I am?
Prove it!!!

Quote from: Solar on September 26, 2021, 06:11:34 PMTranslation: PB was caught lying like a little spoiled brat and he can't stand having his feet held to the fire.
If only your parents would have stopped with the BS timeouts, and swatted your ass when you got caught, this all could have been avoided.
Lie again, and you will be banned permanently!

Then PROVE I lied....

I'll be waiting.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 06:48:33 PMThen PROVE I lied....

I'll be waiting.

I did dumb ass! Don't do it again or you're out f here!

Quote from: Solar on September 26, 2021, 06:51:20 PMI did dumb ass! Don't do it again or you're out f here!

No. Restating a baseless accusation isn't proof.  Even your sidekick, taxed, who loves to ban me, and was actively searching for proof, hasn't found anything.

I'll be waiting, Mr. Honesty.

By the way, I've been banned twice for things I never said... So the writing has been on the wall as far as your intent to get me out of here.

Quote from: Solar on September 26, 2021, 06:13:09 PMIs that supposed to prove you are a bigger proponent of the 2nd than I am?
Prove it!!!

I support the rights of more people to purchase and own guns. 

Quote from: Solar on September 26, 2021, 06:11:34 PMTranslation: PB was caught lying like a little spoiled brat and he can't stand having his feet held to the fire.
If only your parents would have stopped with the BS timeouts, and swatted your ass when you got caught, this all could have been avoided.
Lie again, and you will be banned permanently!

:thumbup: The only time he told the truth was admitting his liberal views on discrimination would bring back segregation. He's been exposed as a liar and a raciest.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 07:28:34 PMNo. Restating a baseless accusation isn't proof.  Even your sidekick, taxed, who loves to ban me, and was actively searching for proof, hasn't found anything.

I'll be waiting, Mr. Honesty.

By the way, I've been banned twice for things I never said... So the writing has been on the wall as far as your intent to get me out of here.

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Deductive reasoning exposed you for the liar you are. Like I said, no more, or you're gone.
If I wanted you gone, busting you for lying would have been the perfect opportunity, but we don't like banning anyone, which is why you're still here.

So I suggest you drop it, everyone who reads the forum knows you lied, you know you lied, God knows you lied, so give your faux protest bull shit a rest, or I will boot your ass over being a spoiled brat..

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 26, 2021, 07:41:20 PMI support the rights of more people to purchase and own guns.

How is keeping criminals away from guns, against the 2nd? You're born with the Rights of God, it is up to you to stay Right with God. Wouldn't life in prison violate your BS perspective?

What you fail to grasp is, the laws have changed while the 2nd essentially remained the same.
Many of the crimes people serve time for used to be an instant death penalty, with no chance of having their Rights restored, though, after death, their Rights are fully restored.

So tell me, in 80 years, should this guy be allowed to ever carry a gun again?


Convicted Murderer Sentenced To 80 Years For Shooting 'Concerned Father' Who Confronted Him For Speeding In Neighborhood

TEXAS – A 27-year-old repeat offender was sentenced to 80 years in prison for gunning down a concerned father during an argument about speeding through Houston's Third Ward, Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg announced Wednesday.

"We are absolutely plagued by gun violence," Ogg said. "Far too often someone takes out a gun and takes a life without a second thought to the consequences, and this verdict shows that our community is fed-up with this indiscriminate violence."

Joe Roy Cockerham III was sentenced last week by a Harris County jury after being convicted of murder in a three-day trial for shooting Alfred James around noon on April 28, 2017.

Witnesses said the two men started arguing in the middle of the street about how fast Cockerham was driving through the neighborhood, which was full of kids. During the altercation, Cockerham took out a pistol and shot James. After he fell, Cockerham stood over him and shot him several more times in the head then fled in a gold Chevrolet Impala.

Cockerham had previously been convicted of indecency with a child, in 2016, which meant he faced a minimum punishment of 15 years in prison.

https://breaking911.com/convicted-murderer-sentenced-to-80-years-for-shooting-concerned-father-who-confronted-him-for-speeding-in-neighborhood/

Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2021, 06:09:38 AMHow is keeping criminals away from guns, against the 2nd? You're born with the Rights of God, it is up to you to stay Right with God. Wouldn't life in prison violate your BS perspective?

What you fail to grasp is, the laws have changed while the 2nd essentially remained the same.
Many of the crimes people serve time for used to be an instant death penalty, with no chance of having their Rights restored, though, after death, their Rights are fully restored.

So tell me, in 80 years, should this guy be allowed to ever carry a gun again?


Convicted Murderer Sentenced To 80 Years For Shooting 'Concerned Father' Who Confronted Him For Speeding In Neighborhood

TEXAS – A 27-year-old repeat offender was sentenced to 80 years in prison for gunning down a concerned father during an argument about speeding through Houston's Third Ward, Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg announced Wednesday.

"We are absolutely plagued by gun violence," Ogg said. "Far too often someone takes out a gun and takes a life without a second thought to the consequences, and this verdict shows that our community is fed-up with this indiscriminate violence."

Joe Roy Cockerham III was sentenced last week by a Harris County jury after being convicted of murder in a three-day trial for shooting Alfred James around noon on April 28, 2017.

Witnesses said the two men started arguing in the middle of the street about how fast Cockerham was driving through the neighborhood, which was full of kids. During the altercation, Cockerham took out a pistol and shot James. After he fell, Cockerham stood over him and shot him several more times in the head then fled in a gold Chevrolet Impala.

Cockerham had previously been convicted of indecency with a child, in 2016, which meant he faced a minimum punishment of 15 years in prison.

https://breaking911.com/convicted-murderer-sentenced-to-80-years-for-shooting-concerned-father-who-confronted-him-for-speeding-in-neighborhood/

"Shall not be infringed".  If you paid your debt to society and served your time, and are now a free man/woman, I see no basis for denying rights. Any law denying the right should be abolished.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 27, 2021, 07:10:02 AM"Shall not be infringed".  If you paid your debt to society and served your time, and are now a free man/woman, I see no basis for denying rights. Any law denying the right should be abolished.

He should have been put to death, dumb ass!

Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2021, 07:31:44 AMHe should have been put to death, dumb ass!

Exactly. His intent was to shoot him not as self defense. Then, he sealed his fate by standing over him to continue shooting him.

This is why we have crime. Give him the death penalty. And, not this 20 years on death row crap. Get rid of him immediately.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on September 27, 2021, 07:51:19 AMExactly. His intent was to shoot him not as self defense. Then, he sealed his fate by standing over him to continue shooting him.

This is why we have crime. Give him the death penalty. And, not this 20 years on death row crap. Get rid of him immediately.

AMEN! I agree! Allowing a convicted felon though he MAY have "paid his debt to society" (or he may have gotten off for "good time"), is just ASKING for that felon to kill someone else.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on September 27, 2021, 07:51:19 AMExactly. His intent was to shoot him not as self defense. Then, he sealed his fate by standing over him to continue shooting him.

This is why we have crime. Give him the death penalty. And, not this 20 years on death row crap. Get rid of him immediately.

Yep. But a proven murderer should be given his Rights back according to our local troll.

This idiot has no idea he is a hypocrite. Laws have changed for the worst, where murderers walk free, and this moron thinks they've somehow served their time?
Kill em all, let God sort it out. But they revoked their Rights as American citizens when the broke Gods Law, the laws of Nature...

Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2021, 08:10:54 AMYep. But a proven murderer should be given his Rights back according to our local troll.

This idiot has no idea he is a hypocrite. Laws have changed for the worst, where murderers walk free, and this moron thinks they've somehow served their time?
Kill em all, let God sort it out. But they revoked their Rights as American citizens when the broke Gods Law, the laws of Nature...

"Shall not be infringed". 

That phrase means something.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 27, 2021, 10:28:07 AM"Shall not be infringed". 

That phrase means something.

Yes it does, and so does murder.
You don't get the fact that the left dumbed down our laws over decades, where one literally lost their Right to life (see Constitution) when they took the life of another.
Therefore a scumbag has lost all Rights once he took someone's life, and you want to use the Second as an excuse.

The Constitution usurps ones Rights as in "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".
He stole all of that from this man! So his Second was revoked automatically when he murdered him!

Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2021, 11:10:20 AMYes it does, and so does murder.
You don't get the fact that the left dumbed down our laws over decades, where one literally lost their Right to life (see Constitution) when they took the life of another.
Therefore a scumbag has lost all Rights once he took someone's life, and you want to use the Second as an excuse.

The Constitution usurps ones Rights as in "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".
He stole all of that from this man! So his Second was revoked automatically when he murdered him!

I guess he wants some kind of anarchy where the govt doesnt protect anyone.

Quote from: T Hunt on September 27, 2021, 11:42:05 AMI guess he wants some kind of anarchy where the govt doesnt protect anyone.

All he needs to do is move to New York or some other DNC "lead" city and his wish will be granted.

Quote from: RV on September 27, 2021, 02:59:35 PMAll he needs to do is move to New York or some other DNC "lead" city and his wish will be granted.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: thats true!