You would think that true the vote would be jumping at the opportunity to turn over all of their "evidence".
Georgia sues True the Vote group over refusal to produce evidence of '2000 Mules' claims
ATLANTA - The Georgia State Election Board is asking a judge to order a conservative voting organization to produce information to help investigate its claims of ballot trafficking in the state.
The Texas-based True the Vote group filed complaints with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in November 2021, including one saying it had received "a detailed account of coordinated efforts to collect and deposit ballots in drop boxes across metro Atlanta" during the 2020 general election and in a runoff election in January 2021.
True the Vote's assertions were relied upon heavily for the film "2000 Mules," a widely debunked film by conservative pundit and filmmaker Dinesh D'Souza. The film featured surveillance video from drop boxes in Atlanta's suburbs showing people depositing multiple ballots. A State Election Board investigation found that those people were submitting ballots for themselves and family members who lived with them, which is allowed under Georgia law.
In the court filing Tuesday, the state attorney general's office asked a Fulton County Superior Court judge to order True the Vote to comply with its subpoena.
"After multiple good faith efforts by the SEB (State Election Board) and its counsel to obtain the requested information and documents, True the Vote continues to indifferently vacillate between statements of assured compliance and blanket refusals," leaving the election board with no choice but to turn to the courts, the filing says.
Two attorneys who have represented True the Vote in the matter did not immediately respond to emails seeking comment Wednesday.
More:
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/georgia-sues-true-the-vote-produce-evidence-mules-documentary-claims
Quote from: ZenMode on August 17, 2023, 04:28:23 PMATLANTA - The Georgia State Election Board is asking a judge to order a conservative voting organization to produce information to help investigate its claims of ballot trafficking in the state.
Man, you are one dumb SOB! Do you even have one iota of critical thought of your own?
Read that shit you posted again, and let it sink in!!!
Quote from: Solar on August 18, 2023, 05:39:10 AMMan, you are one dumb SOB! Do you even have one iota of critical thought of your own?
Read that shit you posted again, and let it sink in!!!
I've read it and I still don't understand why they wouldn't turn over the information.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 18, 2023, 06:35:21 AMI've read it and I still don't understand why they wouldn't turn over the information.
Right now people are coming under indictment for just questioning the results. Even Trump's lawyer's are telling him to wait until trial. Of course nobody expects you to understand this, so go ahead and post more bull sh-t, one day who knows, something might stick.
Quote from: Possum on August 18, 2023, 06:59:57 AMRight now people are coming under indictment for just questioning the results.
People are coming under indictment for claiming, as fact, that the results were fraudulent and for trying to overturn those results illegally. That isn't the same thing as questioning them. Millions of people, including those in high levels of local, state and federal government have questioned the results.
QuoteEven Trump's lawyer's are telling him to wait until trial. Of course nobody expects you to understand this, so go ahead and post more bull sh-t, one day who knows, something might stick.
I still don't know how that would impact TTV turning over their data. If they (TTV) under investigation for "questioning the results", which I don't believe they are, I'd think the movie itself was more than enough evidence.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 18, 2023, 07:29:08 AMPeople are coming under indictment for claiming, as fact, that the results were fraudulent and for trying to overturn those results illegally. That isn't the same thing as questioning them. Millions of people, including those in high levels of local, state and federal government have questioned the results.
I still don't know how that would impact TTV turning over their data. If they (TTV) under investigation for "questioning the results", which I don't believe they are, I'd think the movie itself was more than enough evidence.
Why are they begging a judge to help them?
Do you have any inkling of critical thought? TTV, is, in no way obligated to help the Marxists in anyway!!!
You posted a bullshit article and now you own it!!!
Quote from: ZenMode on August 18, 2023, 07:29:08 AMPeople are coming under indictment for claiming, as fact, that the results were fraudulent
That is not a crime. Hillary did it, Abrams did it. Neither were arrested.
Quoteand for trying to overturn those results illegally.
And exactly how did they try to overturn the results? By trying to open up the results to investigation? By trying to get the process transparent?
QuoteThat isn't the same thing as questioning them. Millions of people, including those in high levels of local, state and federal government have questioned the results.
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean, it's ok when the liberals do it, but not for conservatives. Up until now, no one has ever been indicted for questioning the results!!
QuoteI still don't know how that would impact TTV turning over their data. If they (TTV) under investigation for "questioning the results", which I don't believe they are, I'd think the movie itself was more than enough evidence.
Stop pretending this forum is your own opinion platform.
Quote from: Possum on August 18, 2023, 09:48:30 AMThat is not a crime. Hillary did it, Abrams did it. Neither were arrested.
What the DA is alleging, which I don't think they will be successful in doing, it trying to portray this group of people as being apart of a conspiracy to
Quote from: Possum on August 18, 2023, 09:48:30 AMThat is not a crime. Hillary did it, Abrams did it. Neither were arrested.
And exactly how did they try to overturn the results? By trying to open up the results to investigation? By trying to get the process transparent?
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean, it's ok when the liberals do it, but not for conservatives. Up until now, no one has ever been indicted for questioning the results!!
Stop pretending this forum is your own opinion platform.
And exactly how did they try to overturn the results? By trying to open up the results to investigation? By trying to get the process transparent?
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean, it's ok when the liberals do it, but not for conservatives. Up until now, no one has ever been indicted for questioning the results!!
Stop pretending this forum is your own opinion platform.
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I don't believe that the case will be successful. There's too much that has to be proven to paint the picture of a "conspiracy", but that's besides the point.
What is the harm for TTV to turn over the data. If Georgia wants to investigate the claims... so? Best case scenario, they actually find "mules", right? Worst case is.... the government wastes a lot of their time chasing ghosts. Either way, how does it impact TTV?
Quote from: ZenMode on August 18, 2023, 11:08:32 AMWhat the DA is alleging, which I don't think they will be successful in doing, it trying to portray this group of people as being apart of a conspiracy to
It is not just this group of people. If they will go after a former president, they will go after ANYONE. Nobody will be able to question any election without being indicted for conspiracy.
QuoteI don't believe that the case will be successful.
Successful for whom? We are talking about liberal hell holes. There is a good chance this D.A. and the others will go on to greater positions, win or lose, because they indicted Trump. If this turns out to be the huge stepping stone for advancement, there will be multiples to following.
QuoteThere's too much that has to be proven to paint the picture of a "conspiracy", but that's besides the point.
If the jury is liberal, that will not matter. Just ask O.J.
What is the harm for TTV to turn over the data. If Georgia wants to investigate the claims... so? Best case scenario, they actually find "mules", right? Worst case is.... the government wastes a lot of their time chasing ghosts. Either way, how does it impact TTV?
Quote from: ZenMode on August 18, 2023, 11:08:32 AMStop pretending this forum is your own opinion platform.
What is the harm for TTV to turn over the data. If Georgia wants to investigate the claims... so? Best case scenario, they actually find "mules", right? Worst case is.... the government wastes a lot of their time chasing ghosts. Either way, how does it impact TTV?
I'll ask you this. Why should TTV help them in their investigation?
Quote from: Solar on August 18, 2023, 01:51:27 PMI'll ask you this. Why should TTV help them in their investigation?
because all of the time money and effort that they put into the project was to show that there was a ton of ballot harvesting going on. It seems that a state doing a full investigation, based on that work, would be exactly what they wanted. What they want is to show that they are correct and put an end to ballot harvesting, right?
Quote from: ZenMode on August 18, 2023, 04:02:56 PMbecause all of the time money and effort that they put into the project was to show that there was a ton of ballot harvesting going on. It seems that a state doing a full investigation, based on that work, would be exactly what they wanted. What they want is to show that they are correct and put an end to ballot harvesting, right?
Seriously? Are you really so dense as to think they want to help? :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
Quote from: Solar on August 18, 2023, 06:19:48 PMSeriously? Are you really so dense as to think they want to help? :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
Even if they aren't, which you don't know to be true especially when they have a Republican Secretary of State, what's the harm to TTV if they provide the details?
Quote from: ZenMode on August 19, 2023, 04:03:36 AMEven if they aren't, which you don't know to be true especially when they have a Republican Secretary of State, what's the harm to TTV if they provide the details?
If I were threatening to sue you, would you help me make my case?
Please tell me, you really aren't, this stupid?
Quote from: Solar on August 19, 2023, 04:46:43 AMIf I were threatening to sue you, would you help me make my case?
Please tell me, you really aren't, this stupid?
Georgia didn't jump to suing. TTV filed a complaint with Georgia regarding a variety of illegal things that they claim happened in 2020.
The Texas-based True the Vote group filed complaints with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in November 2021, including one saying it had received "a detailed account of coordinated efforts to collect and deposit ballots in drop boxes across metro Atlanta" during the 2020 general election and in a runoff election in January 2021.https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/georgia-sues-true-the-vote-produce-evidence-mules-documentary-claims
Georgia is trying to investigate what TTV filed a complaint about! Claims made by people who said they were paid to collect ballots,etc, but GA can't do it unless they can talk to the people and non-profits that TTV said we're involved.
True the Vote has refused to provide details and documents supporting its allegations that several unnamed organizations paid unnamed individuals $10 per absentee ballot delivered to drop boxes across metro Atlanta.
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The State Election Board subpoenaed True the Vote in April 2022, but pursuit of evidence has moved slowly since then.
The subpoenas sought documents, recordings, and names of people and organizations allegedly connected to ballot harvesting.
https://www.ajc.com/politics/true-the-vote-sued-over-refusal-to-show-evidence-from-2000-mules/5LWFD4FHI5G2TEF2PYTHEZWUEE/
Quote from: ZenMode on August 19, 2023, 05:13:48 AMGeorgia didn't jump to suing. TTV filed a complaint with Georgia regarding a variety of illegal things that they claim happened in 2020.
The Texas-based True the Vote group filed complaints with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in November 2021, including one saying it had received "a detailed account of coordinated efforts to collect and deposit ballots in drop boxes across metro Atlanta" during the 2020 general election and in a runoff election in January 2021.
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/georgia-sues-true-the-vote-produce-evidence-mules-documentary-claims
Georgia is trying to investigate what TTV filed a complaint about! Claims made by people who said they were paid to collect ballots,etc, but GA can't do it unless they can talk to the people and non-profits that TTV said we're involved.
True the Vote has refused to provide details and documents supporting its allegations that several unnamed organizations paid unnamed individuals $10 per absentee ballot delivered to drop boxes across metro Atlanta.
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The State Election Board subpoenaed True the Vote in April 2022, but pursuit of evidence has moved slowly since then.
The subpoenas sought documents, recordings, and names of people and organizations allegedly connected to ballot harvesting.
https://www.ajc.com/politics/true-the-vote-sued-over-refusal-to-show-evidence-from-2000-mules/5LWFD4FHI5G2TEF2PYTHEZWUEE/
Again, why help those suing you? Let them take it to court where "Discovery" will expose the entire scam!
The left hates "Discovery", because it allows us to expose everything these Marxists are doing!
Why are you so Hell bent on running block for these commies?
Quote from: Solar on August 19, 2023, 05:17:30 AMAgain, why help those suing you? Let them take it to court where "Discovery" will expose the entire scam!
The left hates "Discovery", because it allows us to expose everything these Marxists are doing!
Why are you so Hell bent on running block for these commies?
They sued after a year of trying, unsuccessfully, to get the info from TTV. Again, TTV filed a complaint, but now they don't want to provide details about the events they filed a complaint about? This
should be what they want. THEY filed a complaint. GA is trying to investigate the claims. Why file a complaint if you aren't going to give GA the info they need to investigate YOUR complaint?? :rolleyes:
The has nothing to do with Left and Right.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 19, 2023, 05:31:32 AMThey sued after a year of trying, unsuccessfully, to get the info from TTV. Again, TTV filed a complaint, but now they don't want to provide details about the events they filed a complaint about? This should be what they want. THEY filed a complaint. GA is trying to investigate the claims. Why file a complaint if you aren't going to give GA the info they need to investigate YOUR complaint?? :rolleyes:
The has nothing to do with Left and Right.
So now you're just repeating yourself?
You lose on this one, let them take them to court, and again, I emphasize, TTV will pull a "Discovery" move that will expose the entire scam!
Never help your enemy when they're shooting themselves in the ass!
Quote from: Solar on August 19, 2023, 05:35:08 AMSo now you're just repeating yourself?
You lose on this one, let them take them to court, and again, I emphasize, TTV will pull a "Discovery" move that will expose the entire scam!
Never help your enemy when they're shooting themselves in the ass!
Do you think GA is dumb? Do you think GA attorneys haven't thought through the possible consequences of pushing this issue and forcing discovery, which they don't have to do. They could have done a half-ass investigation, paid lip service to TTV and left it at that.
GA is trying to do their job and TTV suddenly doesn't want to cooperate. If/when this goes to court, I suspect it will expose things, but not what you think it will expose.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 19, 2023, 05:59:15 AMDo you think GA is dumb? Do you think GA attorneys haven't thought through the possible consequences of pushing this issue and forcing discovery, which they don't have to do. They could have done a half-ass investigation, paid lip service to TTV and left it at that.
GA is trying to do their job and TTV suddenly doesn't want to cooperate. If/when this goes to court, I suspect it will expose things, but not what you think it will expose.
Georgia is in a shitload of trouble and they're trying to run block on the whole thing by posting articles that make them look like they're doing something.
They are in serious trouble and we both know it!
Either they sue and take them to court, or drop the whole thing and hope we don't notice.
We'll be watching!
Quote from: Solar on August 19, 2023, 06:14:51 AMGeorgia is in a shitload of trouble and they're trying to run block on the whole thing by posting articles that make them look like they're doing something.
They are in serious trouble and we both know it!
Either they sue and take them to court, or drop the whole thing and hope we don't notice.
We'll be watching!
I certainly hope you will be watching. From my point of view, Georgia has tried to, and continues to try to, do the right thing. They did multiple full recounts, I believe. They are trying their best to investigate the claims made by true the vote and they investigated/addressed Trump's claims about voter fraud. Georgia is not a leftist state. Kemp easily beat Stacy Abrams. They have a Republican secretary of State and probably would have two Republican senators, had they run quality candidates rather than a talk show host and an ex football player who can barely string together a five-word sentence.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 19, 2023, 06:51:10 AMI certainly hope you will be watching. From my point of view, Georgia has tried to, and continues to try to, do the right thing. They did multiple full recounts, I believe.
Lets get one thing straight. You can count all the ballots you want, and you will get the same results. The "thing" here is the "chain of custody" of the ballots. In SC, you mail in an absentee ballot sent to you from the local voter registration office AFTER you request such absentee ballot. What you send in has an outer envelope with your name and signature, AND a witness name and signature. The ballot that gets counted has NO personally identifiable information on it. So unless you have the ballot AND the original mailer with the personally identifiable information on it AND VALIDATED, there is no sense trying to "recount ballots" and expect a different result.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 19, 2023, 06:51:10 AMand probably would have two Republican senators, had they run quality candidates rather than a talk show host and an ex football player who can barely string together a five-word sentence.
And the two leftists that the Democrats ran were paragons of virtue, of course.
Quote from: VVet69 on August 19, 2023, 04:18:28 PMLets get one thing straight. You can count all the ballots you want, and you will get the same results. The "thing" here is the "chain of custody" of the ballots. In SC, you mail in an absentee ballot sent to you from the local voter registration office AFTER you request such absentee ballot. What you send in has an outer envelope with your name and signature, AND a witness name and signature. The ballot that gets counted has NO personally identifiable information on it. So unless you have the ballot AND the original mailer with the personally identifiable information on it AND VALIDATED, there is no sense trying to "recount ballots" and expect a different result.
What you described happens in SC, is what happens in my state also, plus you get a sample ballot at some point before you get your actual ballot. The Georgia state site says they do it the same way. You register for a mail-in ballot, you get a sample one and then you get a voting one. But you have to register first to get it. How is Georgia different from SC?
https://georgia.gov/vote-absentee-ballot
https://georgia.gov/view-sample-ballot
Quote from: ZenMode on August 19, 2023, 06:38:55 PMWhat you described happens in SC, is what happens in my state also, plus you get a sample ballot at some point before you get your actual ballot. The Georgia state site says they do it the same way. You register for a mail-in ballot, you get a sample one and then you get a voting one. But you have to register first to get it. How is Georgia different from SC?
https://georgia.gov/vote-absentee-ballot
https://georgia.gov/view-sample-ballot
The biggest difference is that SC only allows certain persons to request an absentee ballot, GA allows anyone to do so:
https://scvotes.gov/voters/absentee-voting/ (https://scvotes.gov/voters/absentee-voting/)
Also, in the event of a runoff, SC automatically sends the runoff ballot to the same absentee ballot voters; no need to request a runoff ballot.
I prefer the SC absentee ballot process.
In the 2022 GA Senate runoff, there were ~237000 absentee ballots requested. Ballot verification is a manual process; I have a hard time believing that all were reviewed for validity as required by law, but that is my opinion. Apparently TTV found some evidence to support that. Let it come to trial and have Discovery open up the details.
Georgia sues True the Vote group over refusal to produce evidence of '2000 Mules' claims
ATLANTA - The Georgia State Election Board.
I wouldn't give these corrupt MFks anything. It's obvious they want to see evidence so they can concoct some story to cover their crimes, or possibly learn the identity of witnesses, confidential informants to threaten, harass, intimidate or Arkancide.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 20, 2023, 05:26:27 PMGeorgia sues True the Vote group over refusal to produce evidence of '2000 Mules' claims
ATLANTA - The Georgia State Election Board.
I wouldn't give these corrupt MFks anything. It's obvious they want to see evidence so they can concoct some story to cover their crimes, or possibly learn the identity of witnesses, confidential informants to threaten, harass, intimidate or Arkancide.
Why is it so hard for this minimarxist to grasp this?
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 20, 2023, 05:26:27 PMGeorgia sues True the Vote group over refusal to produce evidence of '2000 Mules' claims
ATLANTA - The Georgia State Election Board.
I wouldn't give these corrupt MFks anything. It's obvious they want to see evidence so they can concoct some story to cover their crimes, or possibly learn the identity of witnesses, confidential informants to threaten, harass, intimidate or Arkancide.
TTV could to what McCarthy did with the J6 tapes and release all of it to the public. As long as they are keeping this so secretive, there will be doubters.
Problems seem to be growing for TTV. It seems people don't take kindly to lies being spread about them.
A state investigation found that Andrews followed Georgia law when he delivered ballots for his three adult children, his wife and himself. State law allows voters, family members or caregivers of disabled voters to drop off ballots.
'2000 Mules' voter fraud movie lands in court in defamation suit
Trump has cited the film as he faces Georgia charges
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False accusations of voter fraud smeared an Atlanta-area auditor who was shown in the conspiracy movie "2000 Mules" when he legally delivered five absentee ballots for his family, his lawyers said in federal court Thursday.
A federal judge considered the defamation lawsuit hours before Donald Trump, who has said he would use the movie in his defense against racketeering charges, turned himself in 4 miles away at the Fulton County Jail.
The lawsuit by Mark Andrews says "2000 Mules" damaged his reputation and intimidated him by using a clip from surveillance video as the narrator says: "What you are seeing is a crime. These are fraudulent votes."
A state investigation found that Andrews followed Georgia law when he delivered ballots for his three adult children, his wife and himself. State law allows voters, family members or caregivers of disabled voters to drop off ballots.
U.S. District Judge Steven Grimberg questioned why it was permissible for the movie to publicly accuse Andrews of breaking the law.
"Mr. Andrews was just voting. He's not a candidate. He's not a celebrity," Grimberg said. "... The narrator didn't say, 'I think this is a crime.' The narrator said, 'What you're watching is a crime.' "
https://www.ajc.com/politics/defamation-lawsuit-against-2000-mules-considered-in-federal-court/NLFMBHGUWNF33A6LZAZR5EVKFI/
Quote from: ZenMode on August 29, 2023, 06:25:25 AMProblems seem to be growing for TTV. It seems people don't take kindly to lies being spread about them.
A state investigation found that Andrews followed Georgia law when he delivered ballots for his three adult children, his wife and himself. State law allows voters, family members or caregivers of disabled voters to drop off ballots.
'2000 Mules' voter fraud movie lands in court in defamation suit
Trump has cited the film as he faces Georgia charges
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Oh look, another suit. :rolleyes: :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl