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Who started the Civil War?

Started by taxed, February 10, 2012, 12:09:07 PM

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taxed

Make the case as to who you think started the Civil War.

walkstall

Quote from: taxed on February 10, 2012, 12:09:07 PM
Make the case as to who you think started the Civil War.

This should be in the Conspiracy Forum.  lol
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Holly101

It depends on who you ask.
The battle at Fort Sumter, South Carolina was the beginning of the Civil war.
The soldiers in the Confederate Union fired the first shots by trying to defend the Fort from the federal government. It was the Union States vs. the Confederate states from that day forth.
Wonder if it will ever happen again?

Harry

I think it was me, but only because I have a guilty conscious, and once took a negro's lunch money.

walkstall

Quote from: Harry on February 10, 2012, 12:52:37 PM
I think it was me, but only because I have a guilty conscious, and once took a negro's lunch money.

Well I am old, but not that old so I know I did not start it. 
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

hokiewoodchuck

Actually it started when Lincoln sent troops into Maryland to retrieve the representatives....I think. This was prior to the shot at Fort Sumter.

Anyways............damn yankees started it.
I thought I was wrong one time but I was mistaken.

Harry


Solar

I started it, well...
My schizophrenic half did, anyway we confess because he is always doing things when I'm asleep.
Just the other day he went back in time and put real bullets in John Wilkes Booth dueling pistols as a joke.
He's one sick bastard...
I am not, don't you call m that!
Yes you are, you are a...hey, stop that, it hurts, that's my nose as well you know
You always win the argument.
No I don't, yes you do, no I...OWWWW.
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Shooterman

The Confederacy may have fired the first shot at Sumter, but the Yankees started the war. Slavery, in spite of the antagonism of the abolitionists, did not become a major issue until two years later and the Emancipation Proclamation was designed to freeze any support that may have been forthcoming from the Europeans who were appalled at the bloodshed. Slavery, a terrible institution and practice, of course was a cause or reason, but not the main cause or reason. Tariffs, of which the Southern agrarians paid an unequal share of, both on exported crops and imported goods, was a huge part of the problem. Most of the money, even dating back to Hamilton and his cohorts, was used for improvements in the North, to the detriment of the South. It was also understood, by the South, they still had dominion over their own governments, i.e. states rights were still very much a part of the fabric of constitutional law, which, BTW, protected slavery. It was also understood when a Compact no longer served the needs of a party, that party had an obligation and duty to withdraw from said Compact.

My second Great grandfather, out of Homer, Tx, ( now Huntington, Tx ) in Angelina County, fought with Hoods Brigade. His father before him fought with Andy Jackson at New Orleans, and his grandfather before him fought at King's Mountain during the Revolution. They were all Americans, fighting for their homes and kin. I defy anyone to prove neither was a patriot to his home and his family.   
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hokiewoodchuck

Quote from: Shooterman on February 11, 2012, 01:30:38 AM
I defy anyone to prove neither was a patriot to his home and his family.   

A little defensive I see..........and who said they weren't? :) :grin:
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Solar

Both sides wanted war, or there wouldn't have been one.
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Shooterman

Quote from: hokiewoodchuck on February 11, 2012, 02:18:17 AM
A little defensive I see..........and who said they weren't? :) :grin:

Yeppers, I am defensive. I have had far too many call the Confederacy and those that fought for it traitors.
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Solar

Quote from: Shooterman on February 11, 2012, 03:14:34 AM
Yeppers, I am defensive. I have had far too many call the Confederacy and those that fought for it traitors.
Really? Here? I don't think so, I don't think either side could be called traitors, both had the best intentions for their way of life.
Aside from the slavery issue, I think many would agree the south were in the right though.
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Shooterman

Quote from: Solar on February 11, 2012, 03:30:33 AM
Really? Here? I don't think so, I don't think either side could be called traitors, both had the best intentions for their way of life.
Aside from the slavery issue, I think many would agree the south were in the right though.
Said nothing about here, Solar, but this is not the only forum I visit.
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hokiewoodchuck

Quote from: Shooterman on February 11, 2012, 03:14:34 AM
Yeppers, I am defensive. I have had far too many call the Confederacy and those that fought for it traitors.

You'll have to over-look the ignorance of some people.
I thought I was wrong one time but I was mistaken.