Started by tbone0106, June 28, 2012, 02:19:27 PM
Quote from: tbone0106 on June 28, 2012, 02:19:27 PMHere's a hot one, if you'll pardon the pun.Japan was for all intents and purposes defeated before August 1945. The Japanese Navy no longer existed, and the Japanese Army had nowhere to march to. But the Japanese -- as was their custom -- would not say 'uncle.'Was there a path to Allied victory without the bomb, or did Hiroshima and Nagasaki have to happen?
Quote from: Solar on June 28, 2012, 02:26:24 PMJapanese and American historians agree, that more lives were saved on both sides by use of the bomb, as opposed to a prolonged war and I agree.
Quote from: tbone0106 on June 28, 2012, 02:31:01 PMAh, but what is the standard by which such things are measured? I don't disagree, but I'm asking -- is that how it's measured? We killed something over 200,000 Japanese people, many of whom had nothing to do with the war, with just two bombs. I'm not saying it was wrong or right, but how do we justify that?
Quote from: Solar on June 28, 2012, 02:35:05 PMOr....we could have dropped 50 thousand fire bombs and done the same with prolonged suffering.Believe it or not, the bomb was more humane.Not to mention the fact, that many of us might not be here today had the war continued.The downside? Japan didn't take Hawaii and the results are a Marxist in the WH.
Quote from: CubaLibre on June 28, 2012, 10:32:11 PMWWII was messy and ugly, but an invasion of Japan would have made it even messier and uglier. To the Japanese, seeing their homeland invaded would have made them up their efforts. Think Iraq in 2004.
Quote from: kramarat on June 28, 2012, 11:58:40 PMWar is ugly. People die, and the homeland of the people that started the war, is not off limits.
QuoteThis is our justification:http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/pearl.htm
Quote from: Shooterman on June 29, 2012, 01:01:02 AMExcept under the just war theory. Moral relativism is usually preached against by conservatives, Kram, yet we are attributing a strategic strike against military targets with the incineration of 200 thousand Japanese. I have no love lost for the Nips, as they tried their damnedest to kill my Dad. It is even true the bastards were merciless against the peoples of the Western Rim, but I would suggest no more so than we were against the Plains Indians.
Quote from: Shooterman on June 28, 2012, 11:48:10 PMTo up ones efforts, one must also have the means of upping those efforts. They had gone to war to save their routes to raw materials. By the time of the bombs, the homeland of the Japs was basically helpless.I also believe the use of the bombs was more political than strategic.
Quote from: Solar on June 29, 2012, 01:32:12 AMDifference being, The Emperor was the religious leader, much in the way muscum follow their leader, this makes the entire population the enemy.It's also the reason the Emperor was relegated to figurehead.