Started by tbone0106, June 28, 2012, 02:19:27 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on June 29, 2012, 01:41:25 AMStill not the same, Solar, in my opinion. Hirohito was the boy emperor, but the power really was in the hands of the militarist, mostly the Army that still embraced the old school of the Sumarai. Yamamoto was probably the only sane one in the crowd and he was Navy.
Quote from: tbone0106 on June 29, 2012, 02:52:22 AMAt least one history I've read (actually one of the best, but I can't locate it right now) claims that Japan was near surrender without the A-bombs. Their navy had been essentially wiped out and their foreign conquests mostly taken away from them. The US Navy had the islands effectively blockaded, and many Japanese, especially in the cities, were on the edge of starvation. LeMay's B-29s were flying in at will, dropping incendiaries by the planeload and killing as many as 100,000 people in a single raid.As early as June, the Japanese were talking to the Soviets (with whom they had a neutrality pact) about acting as a mediator for a negotiated surrender. That same month, Hirohito instructed his cabinet ministers to find a way to end the war ASAP. It's not like they thought they still had a shot at winning.Still, this is 20-20 hindsight, and we certainly didn't know some of these things at the time. Based on what we DID know, dropping the A-bombs was a smart thing to do.
Quote from: mdgiles on June 29, 2012, 07:39:01 AMDoes anyone believe that if the Japanese had succeeded in perfecting a device in July of 1945, that there wouldn't have been a suicide submarine going off in some west coast city by August?
Quote from: ShadowBear12 on June 29, 2012, 09:22:09 AMDropping the bomb was the most humanitarian thing possible. Thank God Truman and his advisers did not have confused pacifist thoughts about it. They saved so many young American lives ... young people who did not ask for the war or have any idea why they were there.
Quote from: kramarat on June 29, 2012, 08:26:17 AMThey were doing everything they could think of, to kill US civilians. If they had the A-bomb, they wouldn't have thought twice about using it.http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=932
Quote from: Solar on June 29, 2012, 01:15:21 PMAbsolutely right.If I remember correctly, the Japs used balloons and the jet stream to send incendiary devices to the west coast.I think only a few actually made it and one started a fire in the Sierra mt range near where I live.That was targeting civilians, it served no other purpose.
Quote from: kramarat on June 29, 2012, 10:34:47 PMThe real fear, on the part of the US, was that they would be able to arm the balloons with biological agents, which they were working on.If they succeeded...............................
Quote from: Solar on June 29, 2012, 11:08:29 PMWhich is why people didn't stop internment camps, the Japanese proved they can be extremely ruthless and would fight to the death for their Emperor.
Quote from: kramarat on June 29, 2012, 11:14:47 PMImagine witnessing the Kamikaze pilots....................................I'm sure there was a lot of, WTF???!!!!