Started by Shooterman, February 11, 2012, 03:58:55 AM
Quote from: mdgiles on July 04, 2012, 03:11:44 AMThe Fugitive Slave Act used the power of the federal government to enforce slave law of slave states in free states. Neo Confederate is simply a term for those who attempt to justify the Civil War on the basis either of outmoded ideas about the Constitution, or on the basis of our current problems with an overweening federal government. In a way it also refers to historical revisionists, like those who despite the slavery clause in succession documents and in the Confederate Constitution claim the Civil War wasn't about slavery. As for free blacks who owned slaves, yes there was the occasion free black plantation owner , especially in Louisiana - which due to it's French background - was case all to itself. However, often due to the difficulty in freeing slaves in the South, slaves were often family members. It was simpler to buy your wife and children and hold them as your property, than it was to go through the long drawn out process of freeing them. Besides all you had to do was make sure they were freed in your will, which was a much easier process.
Quote from: mdgiles on July 04, 2012, 05:03:37 AMYou do realize that Robert M. Grooms Is a revisionist Holocaust denier, and anti Semite correct? And I should accept any "facts" he presents as valid because? I also find it difficult to believe that the quarter of a million free blacks who lived in the South, most of whom lived in the Southern states of Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky, would form a significant group of slave owners. Finding one or two blacks who actually were plantation owners, isn't what I would think of as representative. You wouldn't happen to have some reputable historians you could refer to? Especially considering that when you attempt to Google these people the only sources you find are from people who can really be "trusted" on black history - like the Klan. And I've already noted that the majority of whites didn't own any slaves. Remember, I asked why the vast majority of Southerners would even fight for the plantation owners. Besides although there were few actual slave owners, there were any number of people who depended upon the system of slavery: cotton brokers, shippers, slave traders, people who grew the crops to feed slaves, the manufacturers who provided them with clothing and equipment.
Quote from: Shooterman on July 04, 2012, 07:34:16 AMI'm sure you will find fault with Joseph E Holloway in The Black Slave Owners.http://slaverebellion.org/index.php?page=the-black-slave-owners
QuoteThe majority of urban black slave owners were women. In 1820, free black women represented 68 percent of heads of households in the North and 70 percent of slaveholding heads of colored households in the South. The large percentage of black women slave owners is explained by manumission by their white fathers, or inheritance from their white fathers or husbands. Black women were the majority of slaves emancipated by white slave owning men with whom they had sexual relations. Thirty-three percent of all the recorded colonial manumissions were mulatto children and 75 percent of all adult manumissions were females.
QuoteAccording to the federal census of 1830, free blacks owned more than 10,000 slaves in Louisiana, Maryland, South Carolina, and Virginia. The majority of black slave-owners lived in Louisiana and planted sugar cane.
QuoteOr possibly. Black Slaveowners: Free Black Slave Masters in South Carolina, 1790-1860 by Larry Koger, a black author.
Quote from: mdgiles on July 04, 2012, 08:07:45 AMFrom your link:And this:Let's see 10,000 out of 4,500,000 slaves in the South. That's called reaching. That's a minuscule percentageI went here and checked:Where they discussed Koger book. What's bothers me is over a period of 70 years he names an occasional example, but doesn't give overall figures. And he mentions as does Hollyway, the special circumstances that lead to them coming to own slaves. But getting back to the main question. I have no doubt that there were black slave owners. But some act as if they were this significant number of people, which some how makes the overwhelming examples of chattel slavery a "non issue".
Quote from: Shooterman on July 04, 2012, 11:02:38 AMNo one, to my knowledge has ever said it was a non issue. This terrible instrument of inhumanity, though, was practiced by those that should have known better, is my point. Again, though, this has really nothing to do with whether the union was perpetual.