Started by Solar, July 04, 2012, 03:36:06 AM
Quote from: mdgiles on July 04, 2012, 03:43:30 AMI would be careful about using Michael Anthony Hoffman II, as a source. He is an American journalist, conspiracy theorist and Holocaust denier who describes himself as a "heretical writer." Hoffman is the managing editor of the newsletter Revisionist History.
Quote from: mdgiles on July 04, 2012, 03:38:49 AMOriginally no, because slaves weren't always slaves, they were indentures and were freed after seven years. Lifetime chattel slavery was brought to the United States, by British plantation owners who moved from Barbados to South Carolina. Do you know that the Constitution says nothing about slaves, only persons held in servitude. Lincoln in a speech given in Chicago, on July 10, 1858 reminded his audience of that, along with the fact that if the Declaration of Independence's famous clause "that all men were created equal" could be amended to read "except Negros", than it could also be amended to exclude others.
Quote from: mdgiles on July 04, 2012, 05:14:26 AMYes but when we speak of white slaves in America, most people assume you're speaking of the 13 colonies. Not, for example, Barbados, where many of the men involve in Monmouth's rebellion were sent; and where their descendants live to this day. Also attempting to conflate chattel slavery with indentured servitude is simply an attempt to muddy the waters.
Quote from: Solar on July 04, 2012, 06:06:34 AMNo, you're the one mixing the two, indentured servitude is nothing more than working off debt, as in work release from jail, which is also indentured servitude.And yes, most people think of black slaves, mostly because they were the last enslaved before the law changed.
Quote from: kramarat on July 04, 2012, 07:52:55 AMFor cryin' out loud. This site is like crawling through a freaking mine field. It was white people that fought and died to free the black slaves. They knew it was wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Will white people ever be considered anything but villains?WTF?
Quote from: mdgiles on July 04, 2012, 08:20:22 AMI don't think white's are villains. But I wonder about this continually effort to downplay the black experience in the United States. Telling me that black slave owners in Louisiana owned 10,000 slaves - out of 4,500,000 total slaves - as if that minuscule amount some how negates the total black experience. You know, it's as if the existence the occasional Schindler, negates the Holocaust.
Quote from: mdgiles on July 04, 2012, 07:41:29 AMUh no, that were actually black slaves in the Americas, long before the English had even started to settle in the America's. Indeed the first sugar plantations were in Madeira, and were originally worked by North Africans. But these were soon replaced with black slaves from Guinea. Also black slaves had been imported to Brazil and the Sugar Islands of the Caribbean, before America was settled.
QuoteThe first slaves were imported into America in 1617 at Jamestown. Although they were not treated as what we now consider slaves. Indentured servitude was a lot more than working off a debt. You realize that when you consider that you could be imprisoned for debt in Great Britain. However the problem with indentured white workers, was that it was simply too easy for them to disappear into the general population. Which is why few white slaves came to what is now the United States, most - Irish who had revolted during the time of Charles I, Oliver Cromwell, and James II or those who ended up on the wrong side of political uprisings - were sent to Caribbean islands. One other thing, those "white slaves" were often not considered white, but black as they had one drop of black blood. So, question. Why this continually effort to prove that some huge group of white slaves existed in the United States? Note not indentured persons, but slaves. and not in the Caribbean where thousands of white slaves were sent, but in what is now the United States.
Quote from: Solar on July 04, 2012, 09:37:58 AMWhy do I get the feeling that pointing out that whites were also slaves, you somehow interpret it as dismissing the plight of the black man?There was a time when everyone was subject to slavery, it just happened that white Americans had enough of it and fought to end it.
Quote from: kramarat on July 04, 2012, 09:46:40 AMWhile we can learn from the past, we often times choose not to. We are entering a period in which both blacks and whites are slaves. We are doing it voluntarily. Our master will live in Washington...................and we will all be equal.