Started by American Exceptionalism, February 17, 2020, 06:13:28 PM
Quote from: Patrick2 on May 02, 2020, 08:25:43 AMI'm afraid aircraft carriers are "fighting the last war." They're too vulnerable to anti-ship missiles.
Quote from: Solar on May 02, 2020, 08:39:33 AMThey've said that for decades, yet no nation on earth would even consider challenging us.Read the article, they aren't sitting ducks.
Quote from: Patrick2 on May 02, 2020, 10:03:38 AMI did, and it had little to say about defense. For years we've heard about such as rail guns and lasers, but nothing much has come of it. Wiki on Chinese anti-ship missiles:China has inducted the world's first  operational anti-ship ballistic missile, a "carrier killer" capable of carrying both conventional and nuclear warheads, known as the DF-21D. In 2010, it was reported that China had entered the DF-21D into its early operational stage for deployment. The DF-26, first revealed on the 2015 Victory Day Parade, is also able to carry anti-ship warheads, possibly hypersonic glide vehicles like the WU-14, to attack medium and large naval vessels out to ranges of 3,500–5,000 kilometres (2,200–3,100 mi). China is apparently working on a second-generation ASBM using hypersonic maneuverable reentry vehicle technology tested on the WU-14. This would allow the warhead to search for the current location of the carrier, instead of just dropping towards the predicted spot it was initially aiming at. The high speed maneuvers would also make the missile much harder to intercept. It's hard to see how a carrier can ward off say a massive attack of ballistic ASMs arriving at 18,000 mph. In the south china sea, the likely area of combat, the Chinese conversion of islands into military bases creates "unsinkable carriers".
Quote from: Patrick2 on May 02, 2020, 11:12:43 AMI don't understand you. Of course weapons of war are used to fight wars. Their use presupposes a war.
Quote from: Solar on May 02, 2020, 11:16:35 AMWe are not at war, that's my point!
Quote from: Patrick2 on May 02, 2020, 05:47:47 PM Up to and including the Korean War, the US had a long tradition of being unprepared for the sudden emergence of war. Now, we DO understand the need to be prepared against likely enemies and their weapons systems. I think there is a certain lag of perception about the carriers. They've been effectively used in the 60 or 70 years after WW2 to project American power overseas. But that was then and this is now.
Quote from: mdgiles on June 06, 2020, 01:07:04 AMAnd you believe ChiCom propaganda because? If we learned anything about them, it's that they tell the truth about NOTHING.