Started by kalash, July 02, 2014, 12:18:54 AM
Quote from: kalash on July 02, 2014, 12:18:54 AMhttp://www.thenation.com/article/180466/silence-american-hawks-about-kievs-atrocities#"For weeks, the US-backed regime in Kiev has been committing atrocities against its own citizens in southeastern Ukraine, regions heavily populated by Russian-speaking Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. While victimizing a growing number of innocent people, including children, and degrading America's reputation, these military assaults on cities, captured on video, are generating pressure in Russia on President Vladimir Putin to "save our compatriots."The reaction of the Obama administration—as well as the new cold-war hawks in Congress and in the establishment media—has been twofold: silence interrupted only by occasional statements excusing and thus encouraging more atrocities by Kiev. Very few Americans (notably, the independent scholar Gordon Hahn) have protested this shameful complicity. We may honorably disagree about the causes and resolution of the Ukrainian crisis, the worst US-Russian confrontation in decades, but not about deeds that are rising to the level of war crimes, if they have not already done so..."
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 04, 2014, 03:40:03 AMWe have our own problems. Take care of your own business.
Quote from: kalash on July 04, 2014, 03:10:16 AMReally? Hitler comparison? Why not compare it with USA? Or you think US never interfere in other states affairs to protect its citizens?
Quote from: mdgiles on July 04, 2014, 04:26:23 AMSince those states still exist, I guess the US didn't absorb them as Putin is trying to do with the states that used to be members of the old Soviet Union.
Quote from: dashvinny on July 04, 2014, 11:54:20 AMPutin needs to suffer a similar fate to Mussolini.
Quote from: kalash on July 06, 2014, 02:40:18 PMhttp://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/05/29/VP-Biden-Tells-Air-Force-Cadets-to-Create-a-New-World-OrderBiden call for New world order... I guess it' Putin's fault.
Quote from: kalash on July 04, 2014, 09:58:37 AMAre you kidding? So, what happened in 1861-65 in USA?
QuoteReally? Hitler comparison? Why not compare it with USA? Or you think US never interfere in other states affairs to protect its citizens?
Quote from: mdgiles on July 07, 2014, 12:21:04 AMThose states that attempted to form the Confederacy, had been organic parts of the US, either from the beginning or had been formed out of US territory.
Quote from: kalash on July 07, 2014, 03:00:51 AMUkraine was organic part of Russian empire for almost 350 years and in 9-13 century, before mongol invasion, was part one country - Kievan Rus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27Ukraine in present borders, only exist by the will of russian tzars and soviet leaders. Basically, the whole ukrainian lands were united as result of wars of russian tzars with Poland and Turkey/Crimean khanate. Then Lenin's government add russian Donbass region to Ukraine, in 1939 Stalin add Western Ukraine-Zakapattia, and finally in 1954 Khruschev donate Crimea. So, talking about "organic parts", Ukraine is much more "organic for Russia.
Quote from: mdgiles on July 07, 2014, 03:17:42 AM However the important thing is that RUSSIA agreed to those borders, when the Ukraine left the disintegrating Soviet Union. The fact of the matter is those are the internationally recognized borders of the Ukraine.
Quote from: kalash on July 07, 2014, 11:05:25 AMDo not expect that once taking advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russian has always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on an agreement signed by you, that supposed to justify your actions. They are not worth the paper it is written. Therefore, with the Russian is to play fair, or do not play at all.- Otto von Bismarck.Even the most favorable outcome of the war will never lead to the decomposition of the main forces of Russia, which is based on millions of Russian ... The latter, even if they would be broken up by international treaties, they just as quickly will re-connect with each other, like pieces of mercury ...- Otto von Bismarck