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The Silence of American Hawks About Kiev’s Atrocities

Started by kalash, July 02, 2014, 12:18:54 AM

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Cryptic Bert

Quote from: kalash on July 02, 2014, 12:18:54 AM
http://www.thenation.com/article/180466/silence-american-hawks-about-kievs-atrocities#

"For weeks, the US-backed regime in Kiev has been committing atrocities against its own citizens in southeastern Ukraine, regions heavily populated by Russian-speaking Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. While victimizing a growing number of innocent people, including children, and degrading America's reputation, these military assaults on cities, captured on video, are generating pressure in Russia on President Vladimir Putin to "save our compatriots."

The reaction of the Obama administration—as well as the new cold-war hawks in Congress and in the establishment media—has been twofold: silence interrupted only by occasional statements excusing and thus encouraging more atrocities by Kiev. Very few Americans (notably, the independent scholar Gordon Hahn) have protested this shameful complicity. We may honorably disagree about the causes and resolution of the Ukrainian crisis, the worst US-Russian confrontation in decades, but not about deeds that are rising to the level of war crimes, if they have not already done so..."

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Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 04, 2014, 03:40:03 AM
We have our own problems. Take care of your own business.

No need to become involved here. It would just be another Obama distraction.
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mdgiles

Quote from: kalash on July 04, 2014, 03:10:16 AM
Really? Hitler comparison? Why not compare it with USA? Or you think US never interfere in other states affairs to protect its citizens?
Since those states still exist, I guess the US didn't absorb them as Putin is trying to do with the states that used to be members of the old Soviet Union.
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kalash

Quote from: mdgiles on July 04, 2014, 04:26:23 AM
Since those states still exist, I guess the US didn't absorb them as Putin is trying to do with the states that used to be members of the old Soviet Union.
Are you kidding? So, what happened in 1861-65 in USA?

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Quote from: dashvinny on July 04, 2014, 11:54:20 AM
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I don't wish him harm, I just wish we had a leader that loved our country as much as he does.
Hell, I'd settle for one that isn't trying to destroy it.
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mdgiles

Quote from: kalash on July 04, 2014, 09:58:37 AM
Are you kidding? So, what happened in 1861-65 in USA?
Those states that attempted to form the Confederacy, had been organic parts of the US, either from the beginning or had been formed out of US territory. the exception being Texas, who had agreed to the annexation. They also had agreed to the rules of the country they had joined when they ratified the Constitution. BTW, earlier you said this:
QuoteReally? Hitler comparison? Why not compare it with USA? Or you think US never interfere in other states affairs to protect its citizens?
The Separatists in the Ukraine ARE CITIZENS OF THE UKRAINE, not citizens of the Russian Republic. 
"LIBERALS: their willful ignorance is rivaled only by their catastrophic stupidity"!

kalash

Quote from: mdgiles on July 07, 2014, 12:21:04 AM
Those states that attempted to form the Confederacy, had been organic parts of the US, either from the beginning or had been formed out of US territory.
Ukraine was organic part of Russian empire for almost 350 years and in 9-13 century, before mongol invasion,  was part one country - Kievan Rus.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27
Ukraine in present borders, only exist by the will of russian tzars and soviet leaders. Basically, the whole ukrainian lands were united as result of wars of russian tzars with Poland and Turkey/Crimean khanate.  Then Lenin's government add russian Donbass region to Ukraine, in 1939 Stalin add Western Ukraine-Zakapattia, and finally in 1954 Khruschev donate Crimea.  So, talking about "organic parts", Ukraine is much more "organic for Russia.

mdgiles

Quote from: kalash on July 07, 2014, 03:00:51 AM
Ukraine was organic part of Russian empire for almost 350 years and in 9-13 century, before mongol invasion,  was part one country - Kievan Rus.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27
Ukraine in present borders, only exist by the will of russian tzars and soviet leaders. Basically, the whole ukrainian lands were united as result of wars of russian tzars with Poland and Turkey/Crimean khanate.  Then Lenin's government add russian Donbass region to Ukraine, in 1939 Stalin add Western Ukraine-Zakapattia, and finally in 1954 Khruschev donate Crimea.  So, talking about "organic parts", Ukraine is much more "organic for Russia.
They added those regions after Stalin repopulated much of Ukraine after the Famine he created. However the important thing is that RUSSIA agreed to those borders, when the Ukraine left the disintegrating Soviet Union. And are you Russians going to give Konigsberg back to the Germans.? How about all the territory north oz the Amur, you stole from China? We could go on for hours about what used to belong to who, three hundred years ago. The fact of the matter is those are the internationally recognized borders of the Ukraine. And I asked before, are you going to use the existence of ethnic Russians in the Baltic states to invade them also.
"LIBERALS: their willful ignorance is rivaled only by their catastrophic stupidity"!

daidalos

Quote from: kalash on July 04, 2014, 03:10:16 AM
Really? Hitler comparison? Why not compare it with USA? Or you think US never interfere in other states affairs to protect its citizens?
Actually not usually no, the U.S. government does not do that. Save perhaps when an embassy is attacked, or the United States proper is attacked by someone based in that nation.

Besides given there is no such thing as an "ethnic American" it would be kind of difficult for the United States to do the same don't you think?

Oh that's right, your not really that concerned with facts and the truth, clearly your more interested in how you can go on denigrating the United States. Even if you have to make shit up like "ethnic Americans". Mwhahahaha
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kalash

Quote from: mdgiles on July 07, 2014, 03:17:42 AM
However the important thing is that RUSSIA agreed to those borders, when the Ukraine left the disintegrating Soviet Union.  The fact of the matter is those are the internationally recognized borders of the Ukraine.
Do not expect that once taking advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russian has always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on an agreement signed by you, that supposed to justify your actions. They are not worth the paper it is written. Therefore, with the Russian is to play fair, or do not play at all.
- Otto von Bismarck
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Even the most favorable outcome of the war will never lead to the decomposition of the main forces of Russia, which is based on millions of Russian ... The latter, even if they would be broken up by international treaties,  they just as quickly will re-connect with each other, like pieces of mercury ...
- Otto von Bismarck

mdgiles

Quote from: kalash on July 07, 2014, 11:05:25 AM
Do not expect that once taking advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russian has always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on an agreement signed by you, that supposed to justify your actions. They are not worth the paper it is written. Therefore, with the Russian is to play fair, or do not play at all.
- Otto von Bismarck
.
Even the most favorable outcome of the war will never lead to the decomposition of the main forces of Russia, which is based on millions of Russian ... The latter, even if they would be broken up by international treaties,  they just as quickly will re-connect with each other, like pieces of mercury ...
- Otto von Bismarck
The Ukraine had a choice - and they wanted out - so did all the other areas that Russia CONQUERED. The thing is the Soviet Union hadn't succeeded in wiping out their individual cultures. And BTW, the Soviet Union had three representatives the General Assembly, The USSR , Ukraine and Belorussia.  There are ethnic Russians scattered through all the former states of the USSR, going to claim them also? Russia is claiming all these countries because they aren't reproducing enough to keep their population up.   
"LIBERALS: their willful ignorance is rivaled only by their catastrophic stupidity"!