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Memos suggest FDR hid evidence of Soviet WWII massacre

Started by CubaLibre, September 10, 2012, 10:29:44 PM

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CubaLibre

My opinion of FDR has been declining in the past several years. This just pushes it into the gutter.  :thumbdown:

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WARSAW, Poland –  The American POWs sent secret coded messages to Washington with news of a Soviet atrocity: In 1943 they saw rows of corpses in an advanced state of decay in the Katyn forest, on the western edge of Russia, proof that the killers could not have been the Nazis who had only recently occupied the area.

The testimony about the infamous massacre of Polish officers might have lessened the tragic fate that befell Poland under the Soviets, some scholars believe. Instead, it mysteriously vanished into the heart of American power. The long-held suspicion is that President Franklin Delano Roosevelt didn't want to anger Josef Stalin, an ally whom the Americans were counting on to defeat Germany and Japan during World War II.

Documents released Monday and seen in advance by The Associated Press lend weight to the belief that suppression within the highest levels of the U.S. government helped cover up Soviet guilt in the killing of some 22,000 Polish officers and other prisoners in the Katyn forest and other locations in 1940.

The evidence is among about 1,000 pages of newly declassified documents that the United States National Archives is releasing Monday and putting online. Historians who saw the material days before the official release describe it as important and shared some highlights with the AP. The most dramatic revelation so far is the evidence of the secret codes sent by the two American POWs — something historians were unaware of and which adds to evidence that the Roosevelt administration knew of the Soviet atrocity relatively early on.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/10/memos-suggest-us-hid-evidence-soviet-massacre-during-wwii/?test=latestnews#ixzz26ACtPRRc

walkstall

Quote from: CubaLibre on September 10, 2012, 10:29:44 PM
My opinion of FDR has been declining in the past several years. This just pushes it into the gutter.  :thumbdown:
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/10/memos-suggest-us-hid-evidence-soviet-massacre-during-wwii/?test=latestnews#ixzz26ACtPRRc

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Solar

But honestly, is anyone really surprised?
There's a reason this stuff is locked away for an entire generation, those that can substantiate is validity are generally dead, usually within the last ten years, how convenient.
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CubaLibre

Quote from: Solar on September 10, 2012, 11:42:41 PM
But honestly, is anyone really surprised?
There's a reason this stuff is locked away for an entire generation, those that can substantiate is validity are generally dead, usually within the last ten years, how convenient.
No one left to blame....
Imagine, if this had been reported back then, we would have likely limited support for the Soviets. We didn't need the Soviets to beat Germany. A war-exhausted and weakened USSR would have been easier to deal with.

Solar

Quote from: CubaLibre on September 11, 2012, 12:08:41 AM
Imagine, if this had been reported back then, we would have likely limited support for the Soviets. We didn't need the Soviets to beat Germany. A war-exhausted and weakened USSR would have been easier to deal with.
Yep, sixty years of hindsight says we should have never stopped, there should never have been an Eastern Germany, and Stalin should have been signing a surrender treaty.
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elmerfudd

Quote from: CubaLibre on September 11, 2012, 12:08:41 AM
Imagine, if this had been reported back then, we would have likely limited support for the Soviets. We didn't need the Soviets to beat Germany. A war-exhausted and weakened USSR would have been easier to deal with.

I dunno.  It was Hitler's screw up in attacking the USSR that created the second front that did him in.  FDR knew Stalin was a bastard, but he was "our" bastard after that.  While the Russkis were busy fighting krauts using our stuff (which was a lot better than us fighting them with our stuff), we were gearing up. 

USSR ended WWII war exhausted and weakened as it was.  We'd have been no better than the Krauts and Japs we just beat if we continued on to Moscow, though.  War mongerers, nothing else. 

CubaLibre

Quote from: elmerfudd on September 11, 2012, 02:46:26 AM
I dunno.  It was Hitler's screw up in attacking the USSR that created the second front that did him in.  FDR knew Stalin was a bastard, but he was "our" bastard after that.  While the Russkis were busy fighting krauts using our stuff (which was a lot better than us fighting them with our stuff), we were gearing up. 

USSR ended WWII war exhausted and weakened as it was.  We'd have been no better than the Krauts and Japs we just beat if we continued on to Moscow, though.  War mongerers, nothing else.
I would have let Germany and the USSR duke it out. The free world wouldn't have lost anything.

elmerfudd

But Graet Britain was also sucking wind. 

Nobody has a crystal ball, of course, but politics make for strange bedfellows.  The enemy of my enemy is my friend, at least for a while. 

Ford289HiPo

Quote from: CubaLibre on September 11, 2012, 12:08:41 AM
Imagine, if this had been reported back then, we would have likely limited support for the Soviets. We didn't need the Soviets to beat Germany. A war-exhausted and weakened USSR would have been easier to deal with.

The first I ever heard fo this massacre by the Soviets was by reading WEB Griffin's "Brotherhood of War".



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tbone0106

Quote from: walkstall on September 10, 2012, 11:39:38 PM
For most of us my age FDR has been in the gutter for a good long time.

Yup. He's the guy who set the U.S. dollar completely adrift, totally uncoupled from any standard other than the "good faith and credit of the United States." Thanks to that astoundingly idiotic idea -- and the intended constant inflation of the money supply -- the dollar has grown smaller every single year since that act, and the economy has been hobbled and held back.

Shooterman

Quote from: tbone0106 on September 14, 2012, 07:24:59 AM
Yup. He's the guy who set the U.S. dollar completely adrift, totally uncoupled from any standard other than the "good faith and credit of the United States."

Actually Tricky Dick Nixon was the Criminal in Chief that did that nefarious deed.


QuoteThanks to that astoundingly idiotic idea -- and the intended constant inflation of the money supply -- the dollar has grown smaller every single year since that act, and the economy has been hobbled and held back.

Very little doubt the dollar has been more than debased, losing about 98% of its value since 1913.
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mdgiles

Quote from: CubaLibre on September 11, 2012, 03:49:19 AM
I would have let Germany and the USSR duke it out. The free world wouldn't have lost anything.
Indeed the US was afraid of Stalin making a separate peace with Germany. But we now know Stalin was afraid of Hitler making a separate peace with the West. Hitler considered the West a bunch of misguided Aryans, but he absolute despised the "sub-human', Jewish and Slav, Bolsheviks. Strange. Had Great Britain made a separate peace with Germany - let's say right after Dunkirk -  the Nazis would have probably stayed with their original plan to deport all the Jews to Madagascar. So by Churchill refusing to make peace with Hitler, we ended up with an Iron curtain across Central Europe and the Final Solution.
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tbone0106

Quote from: Shooterman on September 14, 2012, 09:10:54 AM
Actually Tricky Dick Nixon was the Criminal in Chief that did that nefarious deed.


Very little doubt the dollar has been more than debased, losing about 98% of its value since 1913.

I stand corrected. It was Roosevelt who called in all the gold in circulation, making it unavailable to mere citizens, who were 'hoarding' it, he said. But it took a weasel like Tricky Dick to totally remove us from even the skimpy 40% equity standard.

Say, isn't he the nice fellow who bequeathed us the Environmental Protection Agency?

Shooterman

Quote from: tbone0106 on September 14, 2012, 01:20:50 PM
I stand corrected. It was Roosevelt who called in all the gold in circulation, making it unavailable to mere citizens, who were 'hoarding' it, he said. But it took a weasel like Tricky Dick to totally remove us from even the skimpy 40% equity standard.

Say, isn't he the nice fellow who bequeathed us the Environmental Protection Agency?

Maybe! He could also be called the father of Wal-Mart, as well :biggrin:
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tbone0106

Quote from: mdgiles on September 14, 2012, 10:18:50 AM
Indeed the US was afraid of Stalin making a separate peace with Germany. But we now know Stalin was afraid of Hitler making a separate peace with the West. Hitler considered the West a bunch of misguided Aryans, but he absolute despised the "sub-human', Jewish and Slav, Bolsheviks. Strange. Had Great Britain made a separate peace with Germany - let's say right after Dunkirk -  the Nazis would have probably stayed with their original plan to deport all the Jews to Madagascar. So by Churchill refusing to make peace with Hitler, we ended up with an Iron curtain across Central Europe and the Final Solution.

You can't be serious.

Churchill hated Stalin as much as he hated Hitler. It is beyond imagination that he would ever make voluntary peace with either. England making a separate peace with Germany (actually the Axis) is unimaginable.

In any case the Nazi "plan" to ship all the pesky Joos to Madagascar was never a realistic scenario. Shipping six million broke refugee people to an island with a population under 20 million is an exercise in fantasy. Even today, 90 percent of the folks on Madagascar live on less than $2 per day; it was even worse 70 years ago. At the time, the whole plan depended on the complete defeat of Great Britain, and the confiscation of its naval fleet. Germany literally could not transport that many people overseas in any reasonable time frame.