D Day

Started by supsalemgr, June 06, 2014, 12:33:53 PM

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supsalemgr

I was out doing some errands and listening to FNC through Sirious XM this morning. They played a snip of Obama speaking at Normandy. Quite frankly it made me sick. With the disdain he has for our country and military my thoughts were he is nowhere worthy to even speak of those heroes who charged that beach on June 6, 1944.
"If you can't run with the big dawgs, stay on the porch!"

Bronx

I salute all that stormed the beach, all that parachuted into the black skies, all that served in WW2.

World War Two as you have never seen it: extremely rare colour footage of D-Day invasion released

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/10861960/World-War-Two-as-you-have-never-seen-it-extremely-rare-colour-footage-of-D-Day-invasion-released.html
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A wise man uses it to scratch his balls.

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Bronx

Obama can kiss my ass. D-Day is about those Warriors that served in that brutal war.

Here's one 89 yr old vet that was not going to take no or an answer.

89-Year-Old D-Day Vet Told by Nursing Home He Couldn't Join His Comrades in Normandy. He Soon Went Missing. Take One Guess Where They Found Him.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/06/89-year-old-d-day-vet-told-by-nursing-home-he-couldnt-join-his-comrades-in-normandy-he-soon-went-missing-take-one-guess-where-they-found-him/
People sleep peacefully at night because there are a few tough men prepared to do violence on their behalf.

A foolish man complains about his torn pockets.

A wise man uses it to scratch his balls.

Bronx

Watch a 93-Year-Old WWII Vet Recreate the D-Day Jump He Made 70 Years Ago

When asked how the jump he made Thursday compared to the one he made as a private first class with the elite 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne Division, Martin told CNN, "it didn't."

"Because there wasn't anybody shooting at me today," he said.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/06/watch-a-93-year-old-wwii-vet-recreate-the-d-day-jump-he-made-70-years-ago/
People sleep peacefully at night because there are a few tough men prepared to do violence on their behalf.

A foolish man complains about his torn pockets.

A wise man uses it to scratch his balls.

Bowhntr

Listen...I mean REALLY LISTEN to what FDR said in an address to the nation on D-day, and then think about what would happen if any POTUS said the same thing today.  My how far we have slipped from the greatness we once were :(
FDR D-Day Speech June 6, 1944

AndyJackson

Obama's there for the political photo ops, and alternately to mock the heroes however he can do so.

That's how traitors with political and media cover, roll.

SVPete

Quote from: AndyJackson on June 07, 2014, 01:36:01 AM
Obama's there for the political photo ops, and alternately to mock the heroes however he can do so.

That's how traitors with political and media cover, roll.
BHO told vets and current military people exactly what he thought of them: he released 5 extremely dangerous foes whose capture likely cost lives; in trade for a deserter and possible traitor, searches for whom cost several lives (for a deserter!); then went photo-op-ing to a commemoration he had skipped for several years running.

In your face, vets and service personnel! Suck it up and salute!
SVPete

Envy is Greed's bigger, more evil, twin.

Those who can, do.
Those who know, teach.
Ignorant incapables, regulate.

quiller

Quote from: SVPete on June 07, 2014, 05:59:20 AM
BHO told vets and current military people exactly what he thought of them: he released 5 extremely dangerous foes whose capture likely cost lives; in trade for a deserter and possible traitor, searches for whom cost several lives (for a deserter!); then went photo-op-ing to a commemoration he had skipped for several years running.

In your face, vets and service personnel! Suck it up and salute!

And then this anti-American POS stood there chewing gum.

PeterR

Quote from: quiller on June 07, 2014, 07:24:30 AM
And then this anti-American POS stood there chewing gum.

Just a little breath-freshening spearmint.  He was hoping to see that blonde, Danish prime minister again. 

"Hey!  Where the white women at?!"

   
"He was born with the gift of laughter and the sense that the world was mad."

Billy's bayonet

Obamao looked and sounded like a fool set agianst the backdrop of the heroism of Real Men.
I was especially glad Fox played a Clip of Pres Reagan's address on the 40th anniversary of D Day.
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kalash

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/06/washingtons-iron-curtain-in-ukraine/
"...This idealized image of the past is implicitly projected on the future.  In seventy years, the Cold War, a dominant propaganda narrative and above all Hollywood have convinced the French, and most of the West, that D-Day was the turning point that won World War II and saved Europe from Nazi Germany.

Vladimir Putin came to the celebration, and has been elaborately shunned by Obama, self-appointed arbiter of Virtue.  The Russians are paying tribute to the D-Day operation which liberated France from Nazi occupation, but they – and historians – know what most of the West has forgotten: that the Wehrmacht was decisively defeated not by the Normandy landing, but by the Red Army.  If the vast bulk of German forces had not been pinned down fighting a losing war on the Eastern front, nobody would celebrate D-Day as it is being celebrated today..."

SVPete

Quote from: kalash on June 09, 2014, 08:35:41 AM
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/06/washingtons-iron-curtain-in-ukraine/
"...This idealized image of the past is implicitly projected on the future.  In seventy years, the Cold War, a dominant propaganda narrative and above all Hollywood have convinced the French, and most of the West, that D-Day was the turning point that won World War II and saved Europe from Nazi Germany.

Vladimir Putin came to the celebration, and has been elaborately shunned by Obama, self-appointed arbiter of Virtue.  The Russians are paying tribute to the D-Day operation which liberated France from Nazi occupation, but they – and historians – know what most of the West has forgotten: that the Wehrmacht was decisively defeated not by the Normandy landing, but by the Red Army.  If the vast bulk of German forces had not been pinned down fighting a losing war on the Eastern front, nobody would celebrate D-Day as it is being celebrated today..."
It's not either-or, it's both-and. The Germans were forced to keep a lot of forces in North Africa, Italy, and France. The Russians benefited. The Russians tied down numerous German forces, which benefited the recapture of NA, Italy and France.

And I would add that this American has long been far from unaware of the Eastern Front of WW2. Including having read Marshall Zhukov's memoirs.
SVPete

Envy is Greed's bigger, more evil, twin.

Those who can, do.
Those who know, teach.
Ignorant incapables, regulate.

TboneAgain

Quote from: kalash on June 09, 2014, 08:35:41 AM
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/06/washingtons-iron-curtain-in-ukraine/
"...This idealized image of the past is implicitly projected on the future.  In seventy years, the Cold War, a dominant propaganda narrative and above all Hollywood have convinced the French, and most of the West, that D-Day was the turning point that won World War II and saved Europe from Nazi Germany.

Vladimir Putin came to the celebration, and has been elaborately shunned by Obama, self-appointed arbiter of Virtue.  The Russians are paying tribute to the D-Day operation which liberated France from Nazi occupation, but they – and historians – know what most of the West has forgotten: that the Wehrmacht was decisively defeated not by the Normandy landing, but by the Red Army.  If the vast bulk of German forces had not been pinned down fighting a losing war on the Eastern front, nobody would celebrate D-Day as it is being celebrated today..."

Coupla points...

The Soviets had NO ONE storming the beaches that day. Even the defeated and disgraced French and Poles had some boots on the ground, but not the Russians, not there.

The whole thrust of this argument -- that D-Day would have been a different story, perhaps one of failure, if not for the Red Army -- is just bullshit. The situation was what it was. The decision to hit the beaches was made with knowledge of the obvious fact that Hitler was heavily committed in the East -- by his own choice, not ours and certainly not Stalin's. It's not as if Stalin's forces did something different on June 6 that allowed for the invasion's success.

It should also be noted that the Soviets did what they did largely while firing American ammunition from American guns and flying more than 13,000 American planes burning American gasoline and driving American vehicles -- including 77,972 jeeps, 151,053 1-1/2-ton trucks, and 200,622 2-1/2-ton trucks -- and eating American food and chasing the Germans with more than 4,000 American Sherman tanks.

D-Day was very much the opening act of the big "second front" that Stalin so dearly wanted, to help take pressure off the Red Army. But even before that, they were hardly whipping the Wehrmacht alone.
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kalash

Quote from: TboneAgain on June 09, 2014, 12:58:47 PM

It should also be noted that the Soviets did what they did largely while firing American ammunition from American guns and flying more than 13,000 American planes burning American gasoline and driving American vehicles -- including 77,972 jeeps, 151,053 1-1/2-ton trucks, and 200,622 2-1/2-ton trucks -- and eating American food and chasing the Germans with more than 4,000 American Sherman tanks.

D-Day was very much the opening act of the big "second front" that Stalin so dearly wanted, to help take pressure off the Red Army. But even before that, they were hardly whipping the Wehrmacht alone.
Coupla points.
About Lend-Lease.
When in 1941 the U.S. ambassador to the USSR Harriman returned from Moscow, Roosevelt looked at list of what Stalin sought from Lend-Lease. After reading i was relieved: "Thank God! This man is most certainly will  win the battle! Anyone else in his place would requested guns, ammunition, tanks and aircraft. And this stuff we ourselves don't have  much. Stalin  requires molybdenum for aircraft, locomotives and cars, armor and barbed wire! He will do for his army the right weapon. Great man! " And the Soviet people did everything necessary for the front.

From May 1942 to May 1945 labor productivity in Soviet industry as a whole grew by 43%, and in the defense industry - 121%. In 1944, the cost of all kinds of military products was on average 2 times lower than in 1940. Economic effect of  decline of the cost for 1941 - 1944 years amounted to almost half of all expenditures of the state budget of the USSR to the military in 1942. And  this was great achievement, especially of Soviet scientists and engineers that continuously improve the production technology and introducing mechanization and automation in production processes.

Per thousand tons of steel produced at defense plants produced 5 times more tanks and artillery pieces, and on one thousand machine tools - 8 times more aircraft than in the German industry. Incidentally, never more economy of the Soviet Union, especially in the post-Stalin period, so effectively worked.

In comparison with the volume of production of the Soviet Union, Lend-Lease shipments amounted to: canons - 1.4%, Aviation - 9.8% in tanks and self-propelled guns - 6.2%. Even more striking comparison looks on Small Arms and ammunition. In comparison to that Soviet industry produced, Lend-Lease amounted to: sub machine guns - 1.7% on handguns - 0.8%, in shells - 0.6%, Mines - 0.1%. That is all the necessary means of warfare, the Red Army has been achieved through the heroic labor of the workers of the Soviet rear and exceptional efficiency of the Soviet economy.

The share of supply of industrial products allies during World War II was - 4% of domestic production, and imports of grain, flour and cereals in grain - 2.8% of average annual harvesting grain in the USSR. On the basis of these data, it is evident that supply by allies certainly helped, but represented a small portion of production in the Soviet Union due to its insignificance could not affect the outcome of the war.

During the war the U.S. supplied to the USSR goods by 9.8 billion dollars. According to the pre-war rate of the ruble - is 21.6 billion rubles. By the end of the war 92% of this amount was paid. Who paid? Soviet people, who during the war have subscribed to war loans in the amount of 76 billion rubles, plus donations to the Defense Fund 17.8 billion rubles. So that the Lend-Lease was actually commercial supplies and paying for it is not by "good old uncle Sam" from the U.S. government, but Soviet people.

Remained unpaid supplies worth 722 million dollars. However, back in 1947-1948 and 1951-1952 years.,  still under Stalin, between the Soviet Union and the United States were negotiated settlement of the Lend-Lease. USSR returned part of the property acquired and offered to pay the remainder. However, the parties were unable to agree on the value of the payment, as the U.S. is significantly overstated it.

In addition, the problem boils down to and disagreement about what, exactly, to pay. The reason was that Stalin wanted to use as payment  royal gold, which was secretly shipped to the United States both before 1917 and in the course of foreign intervention, during the Civil War. And it must be said, a huge amount of gold. U.S.  arrogated to themselves this gold and agreed to consider it only as a possible contribution of the USSR to the International Monetary Fund. And it did not suit the USSR. And in the end pay 722 million dollars hung until the late 80-ies of the last century. These are the principal contribution to the clarification of the allied victory over fascism.

And then who could defeat fascism, the best Winston Churchill said at the height of the Battle of Stalingrad: "... I get up in the morning and pray that Stalin was alive and well. Stalin alone can save the world. "