Started by hokiewoodchuck, March 14, 2012, 07:56:46 AM
Quote from: hokiewoodchuck on March 14, 2012, 07:56:46 AMCauses of the The War Between the States - A Southern Perspective
QuoteFor more than 40 years Southerners spoke of "disunion" over a variety of issues. By the time Abraham Lincoln was elected president a single issue, the rise of the abolitionists, became the focal point of Southerners.
QuoteTariffs Tariffs were permitted in the Constitution to allow the United States to generate revenue. The first act, the Tariff Act of 1789, did just that, fairly raising revenue through tariffs on imported goods. In the Tariff of 1816, however, the United States tariff structure changed from revenue producing to protectionist. These protectionist tariffs had been proposed by Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton back in 1789 but the concept was pretty much ignored. Hamilton's original reason was promote the industrialization of the North. Tariffs levied in 1816 were aimed at lucrative Southern markets. Many Northern politicians were looking at wealthy plantation owners and wanting to share that wealth with their constituents and tariffs were the means by which to accomplish this goal. Protectionist fervor, fanned by pre-1816 success creating industrial growth through the Embargo Act was somewhat muted by shippers and merchants who opposed tariffs, but in 1820 and 1824 the United States once again was trying to increase tariffs. The Tariff of 1828 precipitated the first secessionist crisis, in South Carolina in 1832. The battle pitted Vice-President John C. Calhoun against President Andy Jackson, ending with the Nullification Crisis.
Quote from: mdgiles on July 02, 2012, 04:52:21 AMYou know, the question to me seems to be why should the majority of Southerners - many of who had been pushed to the edges of society by the planters monopoly of the best lands and political power, go out and fight and die just to make sure the planters property values didn't go down.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 02, 2012, 04:57:43 AMThere was a story, somewhere, about Union soldiers who asked just this to a poor white southern soldier, who never owned slaves. His response, was because they (the yankees) were here, and he felt a duty to defend his homeland.Of course, there's also the fact that poor non-slaveowners were still racist scumbags, who boosted their self esteem by noting that at least they were above slaves in the social ladder, and that they may one day own one. They also wouldn't like the competition of a free black labor force.
Quote from: mdgiles on July 02, 2012, 05:08:51 AMWere they so stupid that they didn't realize that once they raised the flag of revolt they were going to have to deal with the national government?
QuoteAnd if they were so sure of their superiority to blacks, why would they have seen them as competition?
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 02, 2012, 05:24:13 AMIIRC, many southerners believed that the North was a materialistic group of cowards who wouldn't be able to stomach a prolonged war.I'd imagine that many folks in the Confederacy didn't really have a choice either way.
QuoteFor the same reason that I would see an ox as competition if my job were (for some reason) to drag carts, or if I were a cashier and my store was installing a computer to replace me.
Quote from: mdgiles on July 02, 2012, 10:27:06 AMUh, did they miss Bleeding Kansas? They were still using whale oil. Most whalers were Northerners. Did they think that people who go out and hunt giant beasts from a rowboat, with a spear, lack courage?
QuoteBut the slaves didn't compete with whites. Whites did not work on plantation for wages. Not only that, but according to Southern Mythology, blacks were too stupid to even feed themselves, without the assistance of whites. Are you saying that Southern whites didn't really buy into their most cherished beliefs?
Quote from: Ford289HiPo on July 16, 2012, 02:29:58 PMThat is a good question!
Quote from: elmerfudd on August 17, 2012, 06:37:42 AM"When it comes down to it, you can boil it all down to slavery. That is the root cause of the Civil War."
Quote from: walkstall on August 17, 2012, 07:13:06 AMWar is never just one root cause, slavery was only part of the "root cause".And I am not even for the South.1. Economic and social differences between the North and the South.2. States versus federal rights.3. The fight between Slave and Non-Slave State Proponents.4. Growth of the Abolition Movement.5. The election of Abraham Lincoln.
Quote from: tbone0106 on August 18, 2012, 01:05:15 PMI keep explaining, y'all keep ignoring.The Civil War was fought for economic reasons. Period.Slavery was an economic issue. Period.From the very article you quote, Fudd: "On Dec. 20, 1860, South Carolina became the first state to secede. Mississippi moved next on Jan. 9, 1861, with a secession declaration stating, in part: "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world." [emphasis mine]If those dumb racist crackers in Mississippi knew it -- and said so loudly and publicly -- in 1861, why can't you get it through your head?