I just read their platform and I have to say, they have about 0% chance of getting anyone elected. Most of what these morons in the Canada 1st party propose in regard to crime is unconstitutional. They wouldn't know patriotism if it bit them...

Thank you, Solar. It was entertaining. I needed a good laugh. 

Quote from: Tory Potter on May 27, 2021, 08:00:37 AMI just read their platform and I have to say, they have about 0% chance of getting anyone elected. Most of what these morons in the Canada 1st party propose in regard to crime is unconstitutional. They wouldn't know patriotism if it bit them...

Thank you, Solar. It was entertaining. I needed a good laugh. 

Please, expand.

Most of the sentencing proposals are unconstitutional. They want 50 years for being in a riot? What is a riot? If the Leafs win the Stanley cup or the Lions win or lose the Grey Cup, there will be a riot.I am not saying rioting is okay, but in 1966 I went to watch the Grey Cup parade in Vancouver. It turned into a riot. I didn't do anything, but I was there. Under this proposal, I would have been released from the Kingston Penn about three and a half years ago. (Me and 3000 other people who were there.) Just because a group of UBC engineering students got drunk and broke some windows.
They want to execute people for "economic sabotage", what ever the heck that means.
They want to put terrorist groups like the Proud Boys in the slammer for 50 years.
I remember the last person to be executed in Canada. It was 1962.
If these punishments were brought into law, juries would not convict. If they did, more than half the country would be in prison, and the other half would be paying to keep them there. Advocates for capital punishment think it will save money but it is actually more expensive. The condemned spends 10 -15 years on death row while the appeals process goes on and then he / she has an appointment with Arthur Ellis (in Canada, the hangman is always known as Mr. Eliis.) Mr. Ellis does not work cheaply. It is a trade that requires a lot of precision and his service is very expensive. It is cheaper to keep the prisoner locked up for 25 years to life.
Punishments do not deter crime. You only have to look at Iran or Texas. Iran used to execute drug dealers, yet it was the home of the heroine trade for years. Crimminals do not consider the rammifacations of their crime. It is not the punishment that deters them. It is the fear of getting caught.
The website has a section on management of natural resources but it doesn't say anything.
Their preamble says inpart;
"We are a National Political Party with specific vision, mission, and goals: "to put Canada and Canadians first in every decision we make as a government"." 
That is no different than the Aims and objectives of the Conservative party of Canada, the governing Liberal Party, the NDP and the Greens.
These guys want to withdraw from NATO. Collective defence is the foundation of Western defence policy.It would be viewed as a betrayal by our allies, at a time when we have established free trade agreements with them. Abandoning NATO will throw those agreement under the bus and leave Canada even more reliant on the US. That is not a healthy position to be in.
Their policy on foreign aid is baffling. I seems to be based on greed. We are one of the wealthiest nations on earth. Aside from the obvious duty of the rich to aid the poor, we have a large voting population with families in these recipient nations. How long do you think any government would hold the confidence of "we, the people" if they did not share our bounty with the mothers and fathers and siblings and cousins of the voters. It is not a leftist or conservative thing. It is the right thing.
As for the United Nations, we were one of the founders. Canadian solders have served in numerous peace keeping missions. A friend of mine was the first UN seace keeper to land in Cyprus. The UN has held North Korea at bay since the cessation of fighting. It was the PPCLI that stopped the communists from driving the UN forces into the sea in the darkest days of the war. The UN kept the Egyptians and the Israelies apart from 1956 to 1967. The UN is cumbersome and has many faults, but it is there when needed. (Cuba missile crisis).
The wing nuts behind this party know nothing about the law, history, politics or what a Conservative actually is. The Conservative party built this country, but Sir John A. must be rolling over in his grave.
Wow, I do blow hard. 

Quick question, Solar. Do you wind me up on purpose? 
It's all bout me.

Quote from: Tory Potter on May 27, 2021, 10:31:00 AMMost of the sentencing proposals are unconstitutional. They want 50 years for being in a riot? What is a riot? If the Leafs win the Stanley cup or the Lions win or lose the Grey Cup, there will be a riot.I am not saying rioting is okay, but in 1966 I went to watch the Grey Cup parade in Vancouver. It turned into a riot. I didn't do anything, but I was there. Under this proposal, I would have been released from the Kingston Penn about three and a half years ago. (Me and 3000 other people who were there.) Just because a group of UBC engineering students got drunk and broke some windows.
They want to execute people for "economic sabotage", what ever the heck that means.
They want to put terrorist groups like the Proud Boys in the slammer for 50 years.
I remember the last person to be executed in Canada. It was 1962.
If these punishments were brought into law, juries would not convict. If they did, more than half the country would be in prison, and the other half would be paying to keep them there. Advocates for capital punishment think it will save money but it is actually more expensive. The condemned spends 10 -15 years on death row while the appeals process goes on and then he / she has an appointment with Arthur Ellis (in Canada, the hangman is always known as Mr. Eliis.) Mr. Ellis does not work cheaply. It is a trade that requires a lot of precision and his service is very expensive. It is cheaper to keep the prisoner locked up for 25 years to life.
Punishments do not deter crime. You only have to look at Iran or Texas. Iran used to execute drug dealers, yet it was the home of the heroine trade for years. Crimminals do not consider the rammifacations of their crime. It is not the punishment that deters them. It is the fear of getting caught.
The website has a section on management of natural resources but it doesn't say anything.
Their preamble says inpart;
"We are a National Political Party with specific vision, mission, and goals: "to put Canada and Canadians first in every decision we make as a government"." 
That is no different than the Aims and objectives of the Conservative party of Canada, the governing Liberal Party, the NDP and the Greens.
These guys want to withdraw from NATO. Collective defence is the foundation of Western defence policy.It would be viewed as a betrayal by our allies, at a time when we have established free trade agreements with them. Abandoning NATO will throw those agreement under the bus and leave Canada even more reliant on the US. That is not a healthy position to be in.
Their policy on foreign aid is baffling. I seems to be based on greed. We are one of the wealthiest nations on earth. Aside from the obvious duty of the rich to aid the poor, we have a large voting population with families in these recipient nations. How long do you think any government would hold the confidence of "we, the people" if they did not share our bounty with the mothers and fathers and siblings and cousins of the voters. It is not a leftist or conservative thing. It is the right thing.
As for the United Nations, we were one of the founders. Canadian solders have served in numerous peace keeping missions. A friend of mine was the first UN seace keeper to land in Cyprus. The UN has held North Korea at bay since the cessation of fighting. It was the PPCLI that stopped the communists from driving the UN forces into the sea in the darkest days of the war. The UN kept the Egyptians and the Israelies apart from 1956 to 1967. The UN is cumbersome and has many faults, but it is there when needed. (Cuba missile crisis).
The wing nuts behind this party know nothing about the law, history, politics or what a Conservative actually is. The Conservative party built this country, but Sir John A. must be rolling over in his grave.
Wow, I do blow hard. 

Can you link to that?
It's pretty apparent they can delineate between actual terrorists and allies, PB are allies.

Quote from: Tory Potter on May 27, 2021, 10:44:58 AMQuick question, Solar. Do you wind me up on purpose? 
It's all bout me.

Actually no, I was hoping for your feed back, not opinion, but actual facts.

Canada Formally Declares Proud Boys a Terrorist Group - The ...https://www.nytimes.com › World › Canada
Mar. 3, 2021 — The designation could see bank accounts linked to the group frozen and assets seized, while also expanding police investigative powers.

Quote from: Tory Potter on May 27, 2021, 10:59:48 AMCanada Formally Declares Proud Boys a Terrorist Group - The ...https://www.nytimes.com › World › Canada
Mar. 3, 2021 — The designation could see bank accounts linked to the group frozen and assets seized, while also expanding police investigative powers.

And what makes you think this new govt would uphold such idiotic rules?
Isn't that kind of the idea of replacing the govt, to get rid of leftists?

Quote from: Solar on May 27, 2021, 11:32:01 AMAnd what makes you think this new govt would uphold such idiotic rules?
Isn't that kind of the idea of replacing the govt, to get rid of leftists?

My point is that with the policies listed on their website, they will not elect a single MP. We have always had several lunatic political parties from the Heritage party to the Peoples Party to the Communist Party of Canada-Marxist Leninist and the Rhinoceros party.
Canada has the best politicians in the world. It is our national sport. We don't vote for idiots.

Quote from: Tory Potter on May 27, 2021, 11:54:39 AMMy point is that with the policies listed on their website, they will not elect a single MP. We have always had several lunatic political parties from the Heritage party to the Peoples Party to the Communist Party of Canada-Marxist Leninist and the Rhinoceros party.
Canada has the best politicians in the world. It is our national sport. We don't vote for idiots.

           

Yet you have Turdeau as the PM.

Quote from: Solar on May 27, 2021, 01:08:25 PM           

Yet you have Turdeau as the PM.

And you have President Biden. Prime Minister Trudeau learned the game literally on his daddy's knee. The advantage a government of Canada has is we don't have a deep state. We have a professional civil service. The Minister tells the civil service what the government wants to accomplish and the civil service guides them through it to avoid pitfalls and unforeseen consequences. On any issue, a government whether Canadian, UK or US, has only a narrow range of options. Why would a government try to be unpopular?

Quote from: Tory Potter on May 27, 2021, 01:57:43 PMAnd you have President Biden. Prime Minister Trudeau learned the game literally on his daddy's knee. The advantage a government of Canada has is we don't have a deep state. We have a professional civil service. The Minister tells the civil service what the government wants to accomplish and the civil service guides them through it to avoid pitfalls and unforeseen consequences. On any issue, a government whether Canadian, UK or US, has only a narrow range of options. Why would a government try to be unpopular?

That all depends on if the government in question is to be of, by and for the people or of, by and for those in government. I'm afraid that we're both currently stuck with the later.

Quote from: Solar on May 27, 2021, 01:08:25 PM           

Yet you have Turdeau as the PM.

[quote From Tory Potter   "We don't vote for idiots."/quote]

Dam, he walked right into that.          

Quote from: Tory Potter on May 27, 2021, 01:57:43 PMAnd you have President Biden.

LOL! We didn't vote for Bitme, he was planted.

Prime Minister Trudeau learned the game literally on his daddy's knee. The advantage a government of Canada has is we don't have a deep state.
          
Are you freakin serious?

QuoteWe have a professional civil service. The Minister tells the civil service what the government wants to accomplish and the civil service guides them through it to avoid pitfalls and unforeseen consequences. On any issue, a government whether Canadian, UK or US, has only a narrow range of options. Why would a government try to be unpopular?

You really need to open your eyes. You have no real freedom of speech, your law enforcement is locking people up for not wearing a mask and the list goes on and on.

Quote from: walkstall on May 27, 2021, 02:52:13 PM

QuoteDam, he walked right into that.         

           
Like a field of rakes...