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ADDENDUM: Why Hitler started WW2

Started by ldub23, April 08, 2021, 01:28:51 AM

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ldub23

I suggest you actually watch the  whole thing. Great reference to Thomas Sowell at the  15 minute  mark and  a  perfect explanation of what  inflation actually  is between 19:45 and 22:00.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQKM5b1SoS0

winterset

Hitler started the war because he thought he would win.  And he was a megalomaniac who loved power.
There were many reasons -from revenge for the loss in the last war, the humiliation of the Versailles Treaty, the feeling that Germany SHOULD be the power in Europe, etc.
Bluntly speaking economic reasons were not likely the most important to Hitler.  A factor, yes but not the critical factor.

I have been reading and researching WW2 for 50 years; I was fascinated at age 10 when my father showed me the scars on his back from when he was wounded during the Battle for Cherbourg.  From that point on I tried to read every book I could at the library about it. And as I grew older I haunted University Libraries and City Libraries wherever I happened to live at the time. The major bookstores found me looking at their non fiction historical section at least monthly.

Probably have 200 books on the Second World War.

During the late 60's through the 70's there were a spate of revisionist books making rather outrageous claims (the ones where Roosevelt knew the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor being only the most ridiculous)

The US refusing to declassify many documents from WW2 until the 80's and later was a problem; a lot of vital information was denied historians. And of course it was as usual the typical government stupidity behind it.

Sort of like the Army claiming the MI Abrams only has a top speed of 45MPH when EVERYONE knows that is BS.  That was the kind of thing with declassifying anything to do with MAGIC in WW2. Nuts Tora Tora Tora put it out there for everyone to see in the Movies in 1970 as did several major books from very respected authors and the US Navy STILL tried to deny MAGIC publicly.   

   

Hoofer

Quote from: winterset on April 09, 2021, 04:20:49 AM
Hitler started the war because he thought he would win.  And he was a megalomaniac who loved power.
There were many reasons -from revenge for the loss in the last war, the humiliation of the Versailles Treaty, the feeling that Germany SHOULD be the power in Europe, etc.
Bluntly speaking economic reasons were not likely the most important to Hitler.  A factor, yes but not the critical factor.
.....
 

So, you didn't watch the hour plus revisionist dude, who tries assumes the entire world thinks the SAME, has similar values & goals...?     :biggrin:

I cannot explain, barely describe, the conversations I had with a Hitler Youth (an adult, her son & I were good friends, he was my best man when I got married).   Nothing like a 3rd world country, she was SO PROUD of Hitler, and was singing his praises in the '70s, like he was still alive, and German was just on the cusp of rising again.  She was THERE, lived it, remained there, till she married - and was dragged out of there, reluctantly.  Such pride in a nation - I've never, ever witnessed in America.

The strong support for Germany in America before and after Pearl Harbor, gets glossed over - unless you're familiar with, or come from areas of the country where German is spoken like it's the native language.  I told my kids, "Learn German, forget Spanish & French - German is the language of the Engineer" - 'cause I grew up around them.

I honestly don't know how to describe those people, if it's genetic, work ethic, national pride - but, they got/had something I doubt any other nation on earth ever had - and they're not all atheists'!
All animals are created equal; Some just take longer to cook.   Survival is keeping an eye on those around you...

ldub23

Quote from: winterset on April 09, 2021, 04:20:49 AM
Hitler started the war because he thought he would win.  And he was a megalomaniac who loved power.
There were many reasons -from revenge for the loss in the last war, the humiliation of the Versailles Treaty, the feeling that Germany SHOULD be the power in Europe, etc.
Bluntly speaking economic reasons were not likely the most important to Hitler.  A factor, yes but not the critical factor.

I have been reading and researching WW2 for 50 years; I was fascinated at age 10 when my father showed me the scars on his back from when he was wounded during the Battle for Cherbourg.  From that point on I tried to read every book I could at the library about it. And as I grew older I haunted University Libraries and City Libraries wherever I happened to live at the time. The major bookstores found me looking at their non fiction historical section at least monthly.

Probably have 200 books on the Second World War.

During the late 60's through the 70's there were a spate of revisionist books making rather outrageous claims (the ones where Roosevelt knew the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor being only the most ridiculous)

The US refusing to declassify many documents from WW2 until the 80's and later was a problem; a lot of vital information was denied historians. And of course it was as usual the typical government stupidity behind it.

Sort of like the Army claiming the MI Abrams only has a top speed of 45MPH when EVERYONE knows that is BS.  That was the kind of thing with declassifying anything to do with MAGIC in WW2. Nuts Tora Tora Tora put it out there for everyone to see in the Movies in 1970 as did several major books from very respected authors and the US Navy STILL tried to deny MAGIC publicly.   

   

Im not sure he thought  he  could  win. His driving force was to purify europe  of the  Jews and his socialist philosophy. Had England and  France launched a real attack in 1939 in response to Poland the war would  have ended Quickly.

ldub23

Quote from: Hoofer on April 09, 2021, 04:36:39 AM
So, you didn't watch the hour plus revisionist dude, who tries assumes the entire world thinks the SAME, has similar values & goals...?     :biggrin:

I cannot explain, barely describe, the conversations I had with a Hitler Youth (an adult, her son & I were good friends, he was my best man when I got married).   Nothing like a 3rd world country, she was SO PROUD of Hitler, and was singing his praises in the '70s, like he was still alive, and German was just on the cusp of rising again.  She was THERE, lived it, remained there, till she married - and was dragged out of there, reluctantly.  Such pride in a nation - I've never, ever witnessed in America.

The strong support for Germany in America before and after Pearl Harbor, gets glossed over - unless you're familiar with, or come from areas of the country where German is spoken like it's the native language.  I told my kids, "Learn German, forget Spanish & French - German is the language of the Engineer" - 'cause I grew up around them.

I honestly don't know how to describe those people, if it's genetic, work ethic, national pride - but, they got/had something I doubt any other nation on earth ever had - and they're not all atheists'!

No doubt  many had  pride in Germany and Hitler. But the horror  he unleashed cant  be diminished. Millions killed  in death camps and  several million more worked to death as slave  labor. And  i do think he started the  war primarily due to economics. Had he  not started the war  in sept 1939 the german economy would  have  collapsed.

winterset

Quote from: ldub23 on April 23, 2021, 02:43:20 AM
No doubt  many had  pride in Germany and Hitler. But the horror  he unleashed cant  be diminished. Millions killed  in death camps and  several million more worked to death as slave  labor. And  i do think he started the  war primarily due to economics. Had he  not started the war  in sept 1939 the german economy would  have  collapsed.

If you bother to really study Hitler you will understand that in no way shape or form did economics mean all that much to him.

ldub23

Quote from: winterset on April 23, 2021, 02:52:26 AM
If you bother to really study Hitler you will understand that in no way shape or form did economics mean all that much to him.

I think it  meant everything to him. He hated Jewish capitalism and hated Jewish Marxism. Now that doesnt  mean he UNDERSTOOD economics. He clearly didnt.

dickfoster

Quote from: ldub23 on April 08, 2021, 01:28:51 AM
I suggest you actually watch the  whole thing. Great reference to Thomas Sowell at the  15 minute  mark and  a  perfect explanation of what  inflation actually  is between 19:45 and 22:00.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQKM5b1SoS0
Hitler didn't actually start WWII. France and Englad did when they wrote the treaty of Versailles. Hitler was merly a means to an end and an inevitible result.
BTW this also marked the beginning of Americas involvement in Vietnam as this was also when and where Ho Chi Mien approched Wilson for help in achieving independence from the imperalist French who were plaging his country at the time. He'd actually patterend his constitution after ours. Wilson was just the first in a long line of US presidents to support the imperalist frogs that plagued and victimized Vietnam. If we had practiced what we preach and supported him then the commies would never have had a chance in Vietnam or anywhere else in SEA.
Crazy but not stupid!

winterset

Quote from: ldub23 on April 23, 2021, 03:06:49 AM
I think it  meant everything to him. He hated Jewish capitalism and hated Jewish Marxism. Now that doesnt  mean he UNDERSTOOD economics. He clearly didnt.

wow you just never get it do you?  Hitler HATED.  HATRED is what drove him.  That and delusions of a 1000 yr Reich.  Economics never meant much to him and you keep claiming it means nothing. Just like that stupid video means nothing- just someone looking for attention with a stupid premise.

Hoofer

Quote from: winterset on April 23, 2021, 05:34:38 AM
wow you just never get it do you?  Hitler HATED.  HATRED is what drove him.  That and delusions of a 1000 yr Reich.  Economics never meant much to him and you keep claiming it means nothing. Just like that stupid video means nothing- just someone looking for attention with a stupid premise.

By George, I think you've GOT IT!  In a nutshell, diving off into all these abstracts - looses & dilutes a person's motivation to do the evil they're doing as ... well... "Gee... there's gotta be some really deep seated, secret thing going on here, some occultism, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Spear of Destiny, etc., thingy."  (guess what I watched last night... Raiders...)

Common thread in Hitler was rejection and hatred... artists are kinda funky anyway.  Oh, crap, did I just suggest *another* rabbit hole for that dude to explain, "The REAL reason...", a new series!
All animals are created equal; Some just take longer to cook.   Survival is keeping an eye on those around you...

ldub23

Quote from: dickfoster on April 23, 2021, 03:26:08 AM
Hitler didn't actually start WWII. France and Englad did when they wrote the treaty of Versailles. Hitler was merly a means to an end and an inevitible result.
BTW this also marked the beginning of Americas involvement in Vietnam as this was also when and where Ho Chi Mien approched Wilson for help in achieving independence from the imperalist French who were plaging his country at the time. He'd actually patterend his constitution after ours. Wilson was just the first in a long line of US presidents to support the imperalist frogs that plagued and victimized Vietnam. If we had practiced what we preach and supported him then the commies would never have had a chance in Vietnam or anywhere else in SEA.

ITS true Ho could  have been an ally of  ours especially since they historically  didnt care for  China. I disagree about versailles however. The germans were violating the treaty  long  before  Hitler  came to power and its likely Hitler  could  have  negotiated away most  of the treaty  if  not all of  it. Invading  Poland made  no sense  unless you  consider economics.

ldub23

Quote from: winterset on April 23, 2021, 05:34:38 AM
wow you just never get it do you?  Hitler HATED.  HATRED is what drove him.  That and delusions of a 1000 yr Reich.  Economics never meant much to him and you keep claiming it means nothing. Just like that stupid video means nothing- just someone looking for attention with a stupid premise.

I just cant agree. He thought  alot  about economics which is why he  insisted on going south in the 1942 campaign to get oil and grain. He actually  knew better that he  couldnt win the war without food and  oil. Its also the  biggest reason he  hated many of his generals. They wanted a drive to Moscow.

ldub23

Quote from: Hoofer on April 23, 2021, 08:37:11 AM
By George, I think you've GOT IT!  In a nutshell, diving off into all these abstracts - looses & dilutes a person's motivation to do the evil they're doing as ... well... "Gee... there's gotta be some really deep seated, secret thing going on here, some occultism, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Spear of Destiny, etc., thingy."  (guess what I watched last night... Raiders...)

Common thread in Hitler was rejection and hatred... artists are kinda funky anyway.  Oh, crap, did I just suggest *another* rabbit hole for that dude to explain, "The REAL reason...", a new series!

There is  nothing  occult about economics. Germany couldnt pay for the war nor  did they have the resources for  a  long war. When they were defeated  in nov 1942 it was  over.

Hoofer

Quote from: ldub23 on April 24, 2021, 08:56:00 AM
There is  nothing  occult about economics. Germany couldnt pay for the war nor  did they have the resources for  a  long war. When they were defeated  in nov 1942 it was  over.

Just give it up, already.  You're grasping at anything to prop up this dude (is it YOU?), I'm not buying revisionist history anymore than flat out rejecting the conversations I had with a lady who grew up in Germany, lived through the war and offered me insite I'd never expected.  Sorry, but that dude is just chasing rabbits & missing the bigger picture, IMO.
All animals are created equal; Some just take longer to cook.   Survival is keeping an eye on those around you...

Hoofer

Just remembered this historical performance, Hmmmm...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zY1orxW8Aw

(Global Warming probably caused something... need to investigate it)
All animals are created equal; Some just take longer to cook.   Survival is keeping an eye on those around you...