Started by ldub23, April 08, 2021, 01:28:51 AM
Quote from: winterset on April 09, 2021, 04:20:49 AMHitler started the war because he thought he would win. And he was a megalomaniac who loved power.There were many reasons -from revenge for the loss in the last war, the humiliation of the Versailles Treaty, the feeling that Germany SHOULD be the power in Europe, etc.Bluntly speaking economic reasons were not likely the most important to Hitler. A factor, yes but not the critical factor......
Quote from: winterset on April 09, 2021, 04:20:49 AMHitler started the war because he thought he would win. And he was a megalomaniac who loved power.There were many reasons -from revenge for the loss in the last war, the humiliation of the Versailles Treaty, the feeling that Germany SHOULD be the power in Europe, etc.Bluntly speaking economic reasons were not likely the most important to Hitler. A factor, yes but not the critical factor.I have been reading and researching WW2 for 50 years; I was fascinated at age 10 when my father showed me the scars on his back from when he was wounded during the Battle for Cherbourg. From that point on I tried to read every book I could at the library about it. And as I grew older I haunted University Libraries and City Libraries wherever I happened to live at the time. The major bookstores found me looking at their non fiction historical section at least monthly.Probably have 200 books on the Second World War.During the late 60's through the 70's there were a spate of revisionist books making rather outrageous claims (the ones where Roosevelt knew the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor being only the most ridiculous)The US refusing to declassify many documents from WW2 until the 80's and later was a problem; a lot of vital information was denied historians. And of course it was as usual the typical government stupidity behind it.Sort of like the Army claiming the MI Abrams only has a top speed of 45MPH when EVERYONE knows that is BS. That was the kind of thing with declassifying anything to do with MAGIC in WW2. Nuts Tora Tora Tora put it out there for everyone to see in the Movies in 1970 as did several major books from very respected authors and the US Navy STILL tried to deny MAGIC publicly.
Quote from: Hoofer on April 09, 2021, 04:36:39 AMSo, you didn't watch the hour plus revisionist dude, who tries assumes the entire world thinks the SAME, has similar values & goals...? I cannot explain, barely describe, the conversations I had with a Hitler Youth (an adult, her son & I were good friends, he was my best man when I got married). Nothing like a 3rd world country, she was SO PROUD of Hitler, and was singing his praises in the '70s, like he was still alive, and German was just on the cusp of rising again. She was THERE, lived it, remained there, till she married - and was dragged out of there, reluctantly. Such pride in a nation - I've never, ever witnessed in America.The strong support for Germany in America before and after Pearl Harbor, gets glossed over - unless you're familiar with, or come from areas of the country where German is spoken like it's the native language. I told my kids, "Learn German, forget Spanish & French - German is the language of the Engineer" - 'cause I grew up around them.I honestly don't know how to describe those people, if it's genetic, work ethic, national pride - but, they got/had something I doubt any other nation on earth ever had - and they're not all atheists'!
Quote from: ldub23 on April 23, 2021, 02:43:20 AMNo doubt many had pride in Germany and Hitler. But the horror he unleashed cant be diminished. Millions killed in death camps and several million more worked to death as slave labor. And i do think he started the war primarily due to economics. Had he not started the war in sept 1939 the german economy would have collapsed.
Quote from: winterset on April 23, 2021, 02:52:26 AMIf you bother to really study Hitler you will understand that in no way shape or form did economics mean all that much to him.
Quote from: ldub23 on April 08, 2021, 01:28:51 AMI suggest you actually watch the whole thing. Great reference to Thomas Sowell at the 15 minute mark and a perfect explanation of what inflation actually is between 19:45 and 22:00.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQKM5b1SoS0
Quote from: ldub23 on April 23, 2021, 03:06:49 AMI think it meant everything to him. He hated Jewish capitalism and hated Jewish Marxism. Now that doesnt mean he UNDERSTOOD economics. He clearly didnt.
Quote from: winterset on April 23, 2021, 05:34:38 AMwow you just never get it do you? Hitler HATED. HATRED is what drove him. That and delusions of a 1000 yr Reich. Economics never meant much to him and you keep claiming it means nothing. Just like that stupid video means nothing- just someone looking for attention with a stupid premise.
Quote from: dickfoster on April 23, 2021, 03:26:08 AMHitler didn't actually start WWII. France and Englad did when they wrote the treaty of Versailles. Hitler was merly a means to an end and an inevitible result.BTW this also marked the beginning of Americas involvement in Vietnam as this was also when and where Ho Chi Mien approched Wilson for help in achieving independence from the imperalist French who were plaging his country at the time. He'd actually patterend his constitution after ours. Wilson was just the first in a long line of US presidents to support the imperalist frogs that plagued and victimized Vietnam. If we had practiced what we preach and supported him then the commies would never have had a chance in Vietnam or anywhere else in SEA.
Quote from: Hoofer on April 23, 2021, 08:37:11 AMBy George, I think you've GOT IT! In a nutshell, diving off into all these abstracts - looses & dilutes a person's motivation to do the evil they're doing as ... well... "Gee... there's gotta be some really deep seated, secret thing going on here, some occultism, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Spear of Destiny, etc., thingy." (guess what I watched last night... Raiders...)Common thread in Hitler was rejection and hatred... artists are kinda funky anyway. Oh, crap, did I just suggest *another* rabbit hole for that dude to explain, "The REAL reason...", a new series!
Quote from: ldub23 on April 24, 2021, 08:56:00 AMThere is nothing occult about economics. Germany couldnt pay for the war nor did they have the resources for a long war. When they were defeated in nov 1942 it was over.