Quote from: ZenMode on December 17, 2022, 06:58:12 AMAnd yet there are plenty of laws, necessarily so, limiting free speech.  It was already clarified earlier.  The constitution requires equal protection by the government. For almost entire existence of our country, interracial marriages were illegal. It takes awhile, but eventually society gets it right, as is the case with same sex marriage or, as is actually, not forcing all Americans to operate under the rules of the Christian god.

NOPE!
There is soooo much wrong in what you just stated, and if you were to actually read the Constitution, you'd know that it is not Govts place to enforce law.
Now get off your ass and show us how this special right you claim exists, is listed in the Constitution.

This would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad, a Commie from another country trying to tell us what our Constitution doesn't say.        

Quote from: Solar on December 17, 2022, 07:03:47 AMNOPE!
There is soooo much wrong in what you just stated, and if you were to actually read the Constitution, you'd know that it is not Govts place to enforce law.
Now get off your ass and show us how this special right you claim exists, is listed in the Constitution.

This would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad, a Commie from another country trying to tell us what our Constitution doesn't say.        

Special right?  The government can't discriminate. It's been ruled on by the courts.  The government can't have separate rules for blacks and whites. Women and men. Old and young. It's to prevent what happened with Kim Davis from actually becoming standard practice. There are plenty of racist towns in the deep south that would probably love to keep blacks from voting.

I will also add this, you guys don't just want to differentiate marriage from civil union, you also want to define marriage not only for Christian churches, but all churches in the United States and use government as your enforcer.

Quote from: ZenMode on December 17, 2022, 07:41:42 AMI will also add this, you guys don't just want to differentiate marriage from civil union, you also want to define marriage not only for Christian churches, but all churches in the United States and use government as your enforcer.

You have got to be the slowest learner that has ever been on this forum. (that's not a compliment) There has been only one definition for marriage since recorded history began. This one definition lasted thousands of years, never had any government interference, never had a problem. Marriage was between a man and a woman. Period. Then the perverts came out of the closet and also wanted to be married, but they did not fit the definition, SO GOVERNMENT CHANGED THE DEFINITION. Do you get it now? Look at it this way, a boy wants to play on the girls team, the coach does not let him because he is a boy. Did the coach discriminate against the boy or just enforce the rules? Your way, the coach discriminated against the boy so you want to bend the rules to allow the boy to play on the girls team. So why even have a girls team if the rules mean nothing.

Quote from: ZenMode on December 17, 2022, 07:08:13 AMSpecial right?  The government can't discriminate. It's been ruled on by the courts.  The government can't have separate rules for blacks and whites. Women and men. Old and young. It's to prevent what happened with Kim Davis from actually becoming standard practice. There are plenty of racist towns in the deep south that would probably love to keep blacks from voting.

Quote from: ZenMode on December 17, 2022, 07:08:13 AMSpecial right?  The government can't discriminate. It's been ruled on by the courts.  The government can't have separate rules for blacks and whites. Women and men. Old and young. It's to prevent what happened with Kim Davis from actually becoming standard practice. There are plenty of racist towns in the deep south that would probably love to keep blacks from voting.

Blah blah blah... Goal post is cemented in the ground.

Now get off your ass and show us how this special right you claim exists, is listed in the Constitution.

Quote from: Solar on December 17, 2022, 03:47:17 PMBlah blah blah... Goal post is cemented in the ground.

Now get off your ass and show us how this special right you claim exists, is listed in the Constitution.

There's nothing special. The government can't discriminate.

Why do you believe that one portion of Christians, who happen to agree, get to define marriage for the entire country?

Quote from: ZenMode on December 18, 2022, 01:08:04 PMThere's nothing special. The government can't discriminate.

Why do you believe that one portion of Christians, who happen to agree, get to define marriage for the entire country?

You have got to be the slowest learner that has ever been on this forum. (that's not a compliment) There has been only one definition for marriage since recorded history began. This one definition lasted thousands of years, never had any government interference, never had a problem. Marriage was between a man and a woman. Period. Then the perverts came out of the closet and also wanted to be married, but they did not fit the definition, SO GOVERNMENT CHANGED THE DEFINITION. Do you get it now? Look at it this way, a boy wants to play on the girls team, the coach does not let him because he is a boy. Did the coach discriminate against the boy or just enforce the rules? Your way, the coach discriminated against the boy so you want to bend the rules to allow the boy to play on the girls team. So why even have a girls team if the rules mean nothing.



All kidding aside, your usefulness is coming to a rapid close. Your B.S. is piling up and we are almost out of bags. If you want a little advise, I would answer Solar's question.

Quote from: ZenMode on December 18, 2022, 01:08:04 PMThere's nothing special. The government can't discriminate.

Why do you believe that one portion of Christians, who happen to agree, get to define marriage for the entire country?

Quote from: ZenMode on December 18, 2022, 01:08:04 PMThere's nothing special. The government can't discriminate.

Why do you believe that one portion of Christians, who happen to agree, get to define marriage for the entire country?

Nope. you need to show us in the Constitution where it say special groups get to dictate their wants on the people.
I won't ask this much longer!

Now get off your ass and show us how this special right you claim exists, is listed in the Constitution.

Quote from: Solar on December 18, 2022, 07:25:02 PMNope. you need to show us in the Constitution where it say special groups get to dictate their wants on the people.
I won't ask this much longer!

Now get off your ass and show us how this special right you claim exists, is listed in the Constitution.

"you need to show us in the Constitution where it say special groups get to dictate their wants on the people."
You mean like a portion of one religious group that wants to define marriage for every person in the country?

Quote from: ZenMode on December 18, 2022, 07:48:44 PM"you need to show us in the Constitution where it say special groups get to dictate their wants on the people."
You mean like a portion of one religious group that wants to define marriage for every person in the country?

No, the part where it states Equal Under The Law!

Not fuckin special under the law, it means Society as a whole is equal, and no one gets special treatment, no matter how long they hold their breath and stomp their feet!.

So when you find the "Special" clause that allows Govt to dictate willy nilly, you be sure and post it so you we change our Constitution.

Quote from: Solar on December 18, 2022, 08:03:33 PMNo, the part where it states Equal Under The Law!

Not fuckin special under the law, it means Society as a whole is equal, and no one gets special treatment, no matter how long they hold their breath and stomp their feet!.

So when you find the "Special" clause that allows Govt to dictate willy nilly, you be sure and post it so you we change our Constitution.

Section 1 Due Process of Law
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-14/

Quote from: ZenMode on December 18, 2022, 09:56:37 PMSection 1 Due Process of Law
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-14/

                     

Like taking popcorn from a baby.

What you fail to understand, is that restricts govt from creating laws that usurp the rights of the citizenry.

Govt Cannot deprive them the right of marrying, THE OPPOSITE FUCKING SEX YOU MORON!!!

Like I said, there's a reason we don't create special laws for the mentally deprived. we're NOT a democracy of Mob rule, we're a Republic, of and Under The law. This keeps mob rule in check...

The sooner you grasp that concept, the sooner you'll realize why our bill of Rights is soooo damned important and why these protections were granted by God, and not the govt!

To be fair, if we're going to destroy the fabric of life via destroying Society, then I want to get rid of the 4Th Amendment, I want the govt to be allowed to search and seize anything the majority deems harmful to you or the public, from your home. After all, it's for the betterment of society, if you can't injure anyone, isn't it?

Quote from: Solar on December 19, 2022, 04:21:51 AM                     

Like taking popcorn from a baby.

What you fail to understand, is that restricts govt from creating laws that usurp the rights of the citizenry.

Govt Cannot deprive them the right of marrying, THE OPPOSITE FUCKING SEX YOU MORON!!!

Like I said, there's a reason we don't create special laws for the mentally deprived. we're NOT a democracy of Mob rule, we're a Republic, of and Under The law. This keeps mob rule in check...

The sooner you grasp that concept, the sooner you'll realize why our bill of Rights is soooo damned important and why these protections were granted by God, and not the govt!

To be fair, if we're going to destroy the fabric of life via destroying Society, then I want to get rid of the 4Th Amendment, I want the govt to be allowed to search and seize anything the majority deems harmful to you or the public, from your home. After all, it's for the betterment of society, if you can't injure anyone, isn't it?

"nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

That means laws can't be applied differently. The government can't apply laws differently to Jews than Christians or whites to blacks.

Why do you believe that some Christians, a minority at this point,  get to define marriage for the all religions and all people in the entire country?

Quote from: ZenMode on December 19, 2022, 05:53:13 AM"nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

That means laws can't be applied differently. The government can't apply laws differently to Jews than Christians or whites to blacks.

Why do you believe that some Christians, a minority at this point,  get to define marriage for the all religions and all people in the entire country?

Why don't you address what I wrote instead of running with this nonsensical circle jerk?
Are you getting paid per post for keeping this alive?

You lost the argument in the very beginning, move on, you're wasting the forums time.

Quote from: Solar on December 19, 2022, 05:57:33 AMWhy don't you address what I wrote instead of running with this nonsensical circle jerk?
Are you getting paid per post for keeping this alive?

You lost the argument in the very beginning, move on, you're wasting the forums time.

I figured this was rhetorical.

"After all, it's for the betterment of society, if you can't injure anyone, isn't it?"

I don't see how two girls having their relationship legally recognized by the state injures anyone.