Was at the Gun Club yesterday to take my target test for Concealed Carry.

Just as I opened the door to the shooting gallery, a man shot himself in the leg!

Don't ask me how he did that.  I don't have a clue but apparently he fired the gun when his arm was hanging down by his side.  STUPID!  ALWAYS keep the gun pointed down range when it is loaded!!!   

Immediately the range was cleared of all shooters and we were herded into the Club Restaurant.  Police and Ambulance were on the scene fairly quick but it took them forever to render triage and load him in the ambulance.  He is going to be alright but I have to reschedule my target test.   

Quote from: kroz on September 10, 2015, 01:02:33 PM
Was at the Gun Club yesterday to take my target test for Concealed Carry.

Just as I opened the door to the shooting gallery, a man shot himself in the leg!

Don't ask me how he did that.  I don't have a clue but apparently he fired the gun when his arm was hanging down by his side.  STUPID!  ALWAYS keep the gun pointed down range when it is loaded!!!   

Immediately the range was cleared of all shooters and we were herded into the Club Restaurant.  Police and Ambulance were on the scene fairly quick but it took them forever to render triage and load him in the ambulance.  He is going to be alright but I have to reschedule my target test.   

I would check and see when he is shoots and make sure I am not there at that time. 

I am sure it was the gun at fault.    

Quote from: kroz on September 10, 2015, 01:02:33 PM
Was at the Gun Club yesterday to take my target test for Concealed Carry.

Just as I opened the door to the shooting gallery, a man shot himself in the leg!

Don't ask me how he did that.  I don't have a clue but apparently he fired the gun when his arm was hanging down by his side.  STUPID!  ALWAYS keep the gun pointed down range whther it is loaded or not!!!  

FIFY.
Immediately the range was cleared of all shooters and we were herded into the Club Restaurant.  Police and Ambulance were on the scene fairly quick but it took them forever to render triage and load him in the ambulance.  He is going to be alright but I have to reschedule my target test.   

Quote from: Solar on September 10, 2015, 01:44:59 PM

There 3 time a gun will not be pointed down range.   
A. when a gun is in it holster.
B. When your pulling it out of the holster.
C. When your putting it back into the holster.

At no time should it be cocked or your finger on the trigger in A. B. or C.

Quote from: walkstall on September 10, 2015, 02:00:32 PM
There 3 time a gun will not be pointed down range.   
A. when a gun is in it holster.
B. When your pulling it out of the holster.
C. When your putting it back into the holster.

At no time should it be cocked or your finger on the trigger in A. B. or C.

Exactly the point.
I was taught at the age of five that when handling a gun, it's always to be assumed loaded, and that handling a weapon, one needs to first determine downrange, generally the floor, because you never know who's on the other side of that wall.

Quote from: walkstall on September 10, 2015, 01:22:14 PM
I would check and see when he is shoots and make sure I am not there at that time. 

I am sure it was the gun at fault.    

You could see the rage on the face of the owner of the Club.  He has little tolerance for such stupidity!  He was the one that was going to give me the test.  Obviously he was tied up with police reports, etc.  Very bad day! 

Quote from: Solar on September 10, 2015, 02:11:11 PM
Exactly the point.
I was taught at the age of five that when handling a gun, it's always to be assumed loaded, and that handling a weapon, one needs to first determine downrange, generally the floor, because you never know who's on the other side of that wall.

Those rules do not apply to the Gun Club.  If you have a gun in your possession, it is unloaded until you are in the shooting gallery ready to shoot.  There is a shelf in front of you and you lay the gun on the shelf pointed down range.  Only then can you load the gun.  Before you leave your lane the gun must be unloaded and returned to the case.  Very strict rules there.  That is why I like it so much.  It is extremely safe.... normally! 

I have already passed the written test and been fingerprinted.  So the target test is all that I have left to do.... and the target test is very easy!   

Quote from: kroz on September 10, 2015, 02:16:35 PM
You could see the rage on the face of the owner of the Club.  He has little tolerance for such stupidity!  He was the one that was going to give me the test.  Obviously he was tied up with police reports, etc.  Very bad day! 

Oh I can only imagine just how angry he is.
This is his livelihood, and to have people playing stupid like this is unconscionable.
My neighbor had friends over years back, and they were all out shooting. He likes to think of himself as a mountain man, while the rest of us see a short fat guy with a Napoleon complex, Huge Ego and nothing to back it up.

Anyway, they got to playing fastest gun in the West crap, and one idiot pulled the trigger before it left the holster.
I wonder if that's what this idiot was doing at your range, trying quick draw McGraw crap?

Quote from: Solar on September 10, 2015, 02:27:32 PM
Oh I can only imagine just how angry he is.
This is his livelihood, and to have people playing stupid like this is unconscionable.
My neighbor had friends over years back, and they were all out shooting. He likes to think of himself as a mountain man, while the rest of us see a short fat guy with a Napoleon complex, Huge Ego and nothing to back it up.

Anyway, they got to playing fastest gun in the West crap, and one idiot pulled the trigger before it left the holster.
I wonder if that's what this idiot was doing at your range, trying quick draw McGraw crap?

No, I don't think so.  He would have been using blanks for that maneuver.  I think he may have been hit with a hot brass casing and his reflex caused the problem.  He probably jumped and lost control.

Right now I have a bad burn on my right temple from a brass casing.  When folks are firing semi automatics the casings are flying all over the place.  They bounce off the partitions between the lanes and sometimes fly over the partitions.  That is why I wear a hat.  The Club requires us all to wear eye and ear protection.  There is nothing worse than having a hot brass casing go down you blouse!! 

When there are a lot of 45 gauge guns being fired the noise level is unbelievable.  Thankfully they have several different galleries so the noise level is better in some areas.

My husband just bought me a clip that holds 33 rounds.   

It is so long that I have a double grip on my gun!!! 

Quote from: kroz on September 10, 2015, 03:12:50 PM
No, I don't think so.  He would have been using blanks for that maneuver.  I think he may have been hit with a hot brass casing and his reflex caused the problem.  He probably jumped and lost control.

Right now I have a bad burn on my right temple from a brass casing.  When folks are firing semi automatics the casings are flying all over the place.  They bounce off the partitions between the lanes and sometimes fly over the partitions.  That is why I wear a hat.  The Club requires us all to wear eye and ear protection.  There is nothing worse than having a hot brass casing go down you blouse!! 

When there are a lot of 45 gauge guns being fired the noise level is unbelievable.  Thankfully they have several different galleries so the noise level is better in some areas.

My husband just bought me a clip that holds 33 rounds.   

It is so long that I have a double grip on my gun!!!

Yeah, that's why I always where my old Army field jacket when I'm plinkin, it has a Velcro strap collar that keeps hot casings from entering.

Quote from: kroz on September 10, 2015, 02:25:24 PM
Those rules do not apply to the Gun Club.  If you have a gun in your possession, it is unloaded until you are in the shooting gallery ready to shoot.  There is a shelf in front of you and you lay the gun on the shelf pointed down range.  Only then can you load the gun.  Before you leave your lane the gun must be unloaded and returned to the case.  Very strict rules there.  That is why I like it so much.  It is extremely safe.... normally! 

I have already passed the written test and been fingerprinted.  So the target test is all that I have left to do.... and the target test is very easy!   

Shooting range or not a gun is always loaded.  Rules are not always follow and it only takes one time.  Even if I hand a gun to my wife or kids and say it is empty.   It is there reliability to check and make sure that it is and NOT take my word for it.  All 3 kids started shooting at age 5 and that was rule # 1 before the gun even came out. 

Quote from: walkstall on September 10, 2015, 04:38:09 PM
Shooting range or not a gun is always loaded.  Rules are not always follow and it only takes one time.  Even if I hand a gun to my wife or kids and say it is empty.   It is there reliability to check and make sure that it is and NOT take my word for it.  All 3 kids started shooting at age 5 and that was rule # 1 before the gun even came out.

You're right, walks!  Never can be too careful.  Safety is paramount.

Two of my three kids are gun savvy.  The other one is in la-la land! 

Is there a Concealed Carry law in Washington?  How about California, solar?

Quote from: kroz on September 10, 2015, 04:48:14 PM
You're right, walks!  Never can be too careful.  Safety is paramount.

Two of my three kids are gun savvy.  The other one is in la-la land! 

Is there a Concealed Carry law in Washington?  How about California, solar?

Yes there a CC in Washington.  Nice thing about our CC if you have one there is no waiting time getting a new or used gun.  Our CC permits lets you take it with you right them. 

Washington State Frequently Asked Questions About Open Carry.

1) Where can I carry in Washington?
Washington State follows British legal tradition, which states that anything that is not proscribed as unlawful is lawful (which stands for the proposition that whatever is not prohibited by law is allowed.)
So the real question is; where can you NOT carry in Washington? There are four main state statutes that one must be cognizant of: RCW 9.41.050 (Carrying Firearms), RCW 9.41.280 (Carry on School Grounds), RCW 9.41.300 (Weapons Prohibited in Certain Places), and RCW 70.108.150 (Firearms in Outdoor Music Festivals). It is your responsibility to read and understand the definitions and exceptions in the law. RCW 9.41.050 is the primary law which affects gun carrying on a day to day basis. This law makes it unlawful for one to conceal a pistol without a concealed pistol license (hereinafter called CPL), and also makes it unlawful for one to carry a loaded pistol in any vehicle, whether it be openly carried or concealed carried unless a person has a valid CPL(see RCW 9.41.060 on Exceptions). Loaded is defined as having ammunition inside of the gun itself (magazine inserted with ammunition with semi-auto, ammunition in cylinder for revolvers). Localities may also prohibit the carrying of handguns in the stadiums and convention centers that they operate, however they MUST exempt those who possess a concealed pistol license. There are also federal statutes you must be cognizant of: 18 USC 922 (q), which prohibit the carrying of a handgun within 1000 feet of a school unless you are licensed to carry or meet another exemption to this law. The constitutionality of this law is questionable in light of United States v. Lopez and District of Columbia v. Heller. To our knowledge, there has been no prosecutions of this law where this is the sole charge. 18 USC 930, which prohibit the carrying of firearms in any "federal facility" or any "federal court facility."

2) What is "Warranting alarm", why do people (firearms instructors, police officers, gun shop employees) say that this law makes it illegal t o open carry? In 1969, RCW 9.41.270 was passed in light of the intimidating actions of the Black Panther Party in both the State of California and in Seattle. Analysis of the legislative intent behind the bill and final law indicated that the Washington State Legislature never intended this to be a gun control bill, and stripped out in committee provisions of the bill which would have prohibited carry within 500 feet of any "public building" for fear it would ensnare a peaceable open carrier walking nearby, thereby violating a persons rights under Article 1, Section 24 of the Washington State Constitution. This is not to say that all forms of open carry are lawful. The key word is "peaceable". If your pistol is in a holster, and you're generally not touching it or making gripping movements (except of course, in an actual act of self defense), or opening a coat to expose your pistol to intimidate someone to do something, then the current body of case law (state v casad, state v. spencer) generally makes such carry lawful.

3) Can I open carry on a Bus, Train, Ferry, Personal Auto, Motorcycle or Bicycle? (RCW 9.91.025) The right to carry a gun or ammunition in a fashion is not otherwise prohibited by law on a MUNICIPAL TRANSIT VEHICLE (Greyhound /Amtrak is not a municipal transit vehicle). Busses, Trains & the Ferries are considered vehicles in Washington. You may carry loaded either openly or concealed in or on any vehicle if you possess a CPL (RCW 9.41.050 (2a)).
Amtrak
If there is nothing Prohibiting such Conduct..., then, it is Safe to assume such Conduct Legal. However, Federal Law, Enumerated under TITLE 18 PART I CHAPTER 97 § 1992, states: § 1992(7) Commits an Act, Including the USE of a Dangerous Weapon, with the Intent to cause Death or Serious Bodily Injury to any Person who is on Property described in SubParagraph (A) or (B) of Paragraph (4);
Under Federal Law, the USE of Firearms with such INTENT is what is ILLEGAL, not just having them. Under Federal Law 18 U.S.C. 930, Trains, including Amtrak, do NOT qualify as Federal Facilities, because Amtrak employees are NOT federal Employees. If found to be carrying you more than likely would have to disembark at the next stop.


4) Can I carry in a bank, grocery store, church? They are all private property and may impose their own rules. The Federal Government may own shares of a bank but they DO NOT function as Federal Property.


5) Can I carry at or near a school? Or College? (RCW 9.41.280)
If you have a valid CPL and are picking up or dropping off a student you are allowed on the school grounds. Firearms are not permitted in school buildings. Colleges set their own policies, most of which seem to ban lawfully carried guns. South Puget Sound Community College in Olympia is the only college in this state we know of that does not specifically ban lawfully carried guns from their campus.

6) I saw a park sign saying no firearms. Is that legal? (RCW 9.41.290) No. Washington State has preempted all firearms laws regarding possession. You may carry in any city, county, state, National Forest or National Park in Washington State.

7) Can I carry with a round in the chamber? (RCW 9.41.010)(10) & (RCW 77.15.460) defines "loaded" in Washington state. Unloaded means; Empty cylinder, empty chamber, no full mag or tube, not capped or primed.

8) How old do you have to be to carry a loaded handgun? (RCW 9.41.240) You must be 21 years of age to carry a loaded handgun in public. See RCW 9.41.060 for exceptions.

9)What states accept the Washington CPL?
Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Wisconsin

10) Can I carry in a bar? (RCW 9.41.300) No. You cannot carry in a place where alcohol IS consumed AND is off limits to persons under 21. Restaurants that serve alcohol are fine.

11) Where can I get information about firearms & licensing in Washington state?
http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/firearms/index.html

12) Who am I required to show my CPL to, and when? The law is somewhat vague, but essentially IF you are required to have a CPL in your possession, you are obligated to produce it to qualified persons (such as law enforcement) if they demand it. Also since you have to have a CPL to carry loaded in/on a vehicle, regardless of OC or CC, I would argue a transit vehicle operator might also want to see a CPL before allowing you on the vehicle. There are no firm rules or laws on this matter that I am aware of though.

13) Where can the latest edition of the Washington Gun Rights Pamphlet be found?
http://www.washingtongunrights.com/ocdo/wgr.pdf

14) Is there a list of gun friendly businesses? Yes, Friend or Foe is a website you can plug in a zip code or city and find those pro businesses. Green is pro / red is anti.
http://www.friendorfoe.us/

15) Flying with a firearm (ATF and the major airline rules in one simple PDF)
Check the regulations on the airline on which you are traveling, they may have rules against weapons.
http://www.washingtongunrights.com/misc/fwaf.pdf

16) Gun Ranges and Gun Shops across Washington
http://www.waguns.org/rangemap
http://www.waguns.org/storemap

17) Can I own and use a suppressor? ( RCW 9.41.250) Yes, as long the suppressor is legally registered and possessed in accordance with federal law.

18) Carrying while engaging in a outdoor activity (RCW 9.41.060)
(8) Any person engaging in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, or horseback riding, only if, considering all of the attendant circumstances, including but not limited to whether the person has a valid hunting or fishing license, it is reasonable to conclude that the person is participating in lawful outdoor activities or is traveling to or from a legitimate outdoor recreation area;

19) Do "No Firearm" signs hold the weight of law in Washington State?
No Firearm signs have no force of law unless they are posted on property that is specifically mentioned in RCW 9.41.300 as being off limits to those with a Permit/License to Carry. If you are in a place not specifically mentioned in the law that is posted and they ask you to leave, you must leave. If you refuse to leave then you are breaking the law and can be charged. Even if the property is not posted and you are asked to leave you must leave. Always be aware of the possibility that responding Police Officers who may have been called without your knowledge and may not know the laws on trespass and could arrest you even if you are within the law.

No license is needed to open carry however it is highly recommended that any person who open carries in the State of Washington acquire a CPL. Washington is a "Shall Issue" state for CPL's. Meaning that if you meet the requirements in RCW 9.41.070 you will be issued a license within 30 days(resident) and 60 days(non-resident) by law.

This document is in no way legal advice. Consult an attorney on legal matters.

Quote from: kroz on September 10, 2015, 02:25:24 PM
Those rules do not apply to the Gun Club.  If you have a gun in your possession, it is unloaded until you are in the shooting gallery ready to shoot.  There is a shelf in front of you and you lay the gun on the shelf pointed down range.  Only then can you load the gun.  Before you leave your lane the gun must be unloaded and returned to the case.  Very strict rules there.  That is why I like it so much.  It is extremely safe.... normally! 

I have already passed the written test and been fingerprinted.  So the target test is all that I have left to do.... and the target test is very easy!   

No, you misunderstood. One assumes all guns are loaded.

Quote from: kroz on September 10, 2015, 04:48:14 PM
You're right, walks!  Never can be too careful.  Safety is paramount.

Two of my three kids are gun savvy.  The other one is in la-la land! 

Is there a Concealed Carry law in Washington?  How about California, solar?

Ca CW is legal, though it's all dependent upon which county you live in.
Here in ElDorado County anyone can have one as long as you pass a background test.
Sac. the Capitol next door you can't get one unless you're connected politically.