Does the 2nd Amendment prohibit felons from owning firearms....?

Quote from: Bronx on November 16, 2020, 06:49:30 PM
Does the 2nd Amendment prohibit felons from owning firearms....?

Good question, here is a court case but it involves non-violent misdemeanors where gun rights were restored. Personally, I have always been of the opinion that if a person if too violent to be trusted with a gun, why are they free to walk in society?  https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-court-guns-trump-20170525-story.html

QuoteThe two Pennsylvania men won a federal court ruling last year, the first of its kind, that ordered the government to restore their rights to own a gun.

QuoteLast year, he won on the 2nd Amendment claim before the U.S. 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia. By an 8-7 vote, its judges said the men should have their gun rights restored because they had not committed a serious or violent crime. However, the judges did not agree on clear guidelines about when gun rights should be restored.

Quote from: Bronx on November 16, 2020, 06:49:30 PM
Does the 2nd Amendment prohibit felons from owning firearms....?

Excellent point!!!

Nope! And for good reason, if everyone is armed, a felon wouldn't stand a chance.
The very same idiotic logic behind the patriot Act shit, disarm everyone who needs to fly, destroy our Constitutional Rights a little at a time.

A gun is a great equalizer, our Founders knew this. An armed society is a peaceful society.

The phrase "well regulated militia" presents a lever to the anti-gun lobby. If you want to ensure the individual has a right to keep and carry firearms without restriction, that phrase should be omitted.

Quote from: Solar on November 17, 2020, 04:27:32 AM
Excellent point!!!

Nope! And for good reason, if everyone is armed, a felon wouldn't stand a chance.
The very same idiotic logic behind the patriot Act shit, disarm everyone who needs to fly, destroy our Constitutional Rights a little at a time.

A gun is a great equalizer, our Founders knew this. An armed society is a peaceful society.

They have strict gun controls in Chicago: are there less shootings?

Quote from: Tory Potter on November 17, 2020, 08:44:32 AM
The phrase "well regulated militia" presents a lever to the anti-gun lobby. If you want to ensure the individual has a right to keep and carry firearms without restriction, that phrase should be omitted.

No, you need to understand the context of the day. "Regulated" does not mean controlled by the govt, it was akin to operating in a manner that it can quickly come together in times of need.
Hence, the reason every individual needed to be armed.

Quote from: Solar on November 17, 2020, 09:03:22 AM
No, you need to understand the context of the day. "Regulated" does not mean controlled by the govt, it was akin to operating in a manner that it can quickly come together in times of need.
Hence, the reason every individual needed to be armed.

It has reached a point where no one would ever try to disarm American citizens. Can you envisage any path the repeal 2A successfully? They couldn't even pass the ERA.
Canada doesn't have anything like the 2A, but it would still be politically impossible to ban personal ownership of firearms. We have restrictions, but so do several American States. I own two handguns and six rifles, all legal. I've never had any issues.

Quote from: Solar on November 17, 2020, 09:03:22 AM
No, you need to understand the context of the day. "Regulated" does not mean controlled by the govt, it was akin to operating in a manner that it can quickly come together in times of need.
Hence, the reason every individual needed to be armed.

If you shorten the 2A to read "Every citizen has the right to keep and bear arms," there is no room for mis-interprtation. It is clear and unequivical.

Quote from: Tory Potter on November 17, 2020, 11:23:36 AM
If you shorten the 2A to read "Every citizen has the right to keep and bear arms," there is no room for mis-interprtation. It is clear and unequivical.

Keep and bear arms for what? 

Quote from: Tory Potter on November 17, 2020, 10:30:53 AM
It has reached a point where no one would ever try to disarm American citizens. Can you envisage any path the repeal 2A successfully? They couldn't even pass the ERA.
Canada doesn't have anything like the 2A, but it would still be politically impossible to ban personal ownership of firearms. We have restrictions, but so do several American States. I own two handguns and six rifles, all legal. I've never had any issues.

Ohhh, so your govt gave you the right to posses a gun? Gee, how spetchal is that?
This is where we differ when we separate the chaff, you got the schaft, we got the wheat.
Our govt didn't give us our Rights, God did, and if govt tries to fuck with them, they know they're out numbered by a million to on.

Your govt can simply take your guns at any time, via mob rule.

Quote from: Tory Potter on November 17, 2020, 11:23:36 AM
If you shorten the 2A to read "Every citizen has the right to keep and bear arms," there is no room for mis-interprtation. It is clear and unequivical.

Every citizen is implied under the Constitution, as in "We The People". You have a very warped view of the US, you are under the illusion the govt controls the people, it is the exact opposite.

Quote from: Tory Potter on November 17, 2020, 11:23:36 AM
If you shorten the 2A to read "Every citizen has the right to keep and bear arms," there is no room for mis-interprtation. It is clear and unequivical.

Gun ownership will never be clear to the liberals, it doesn't really matter how you word it. They do not want the people to have guns. Period.

Quote from: Solar on November 17, 2020, 11:56:04 AM
Every citizen is implied under the Constitution, as in "We The People". You have a very warped view of the US, you are under the illusion the govt controls the people, it is the exact opposite.

Some friends of mine who were conscripted to fight in Viet Nam were given strong reason to believe the US government controls the people. Besides the Selective Service Act, I am sure w can come up with a number of examples that the Government choses to exert coersive control over the governed. Not every one consents to pay income tax but the tax is collected.

Quote from: Tory Potter on November 17, 2020, 01:09:20 PM
Some friends of mine who were conscripted to fight in Viet Nam were given strong reason to believe the US government controls the people. Besides the Selective Service Act, I am sure w can come up with a number of examples that the Government choses to exert coersive control over the governed. Not every one consents to pay income tax but the tax is collected.

We the people give consent, or not....see Athens Tennessee.....

I keep forgetting you all are not free up there....

Quote from: Owebo on November 17, 2020, 01:18:53 PM
We the people give consent, or not....see Athens Tennessee.....

I keep forgetting you all are not free up there....

Like it or not, nobody is completely free whether in the USA or Canada.
My devotion to the Crown is no less passionate than your devotion to your Constitution and Republic.