Quote from: SalemCat on January 24, 2016, 08:05:28 PM
While I admire the enthusiasm, there are many, perhaps even the majority, who will forever be "Employees", and never "Employers".

And those who have low-skills will be replaced by robots, and will never be employed.

Should they be euthanized ?

Obviously not, but here is the dilemma.

We currently offer SSI to the retarded who cannot contribute. Let's say their IQ's are 60. Suppose robots can do the jobs of those at 60. Then 70. Then 100.

What happens next ?

A hungry man has amazing resiliency. You envision an all powerful State, why?
I envision a free and open mkt where one markets their skills, while you see a world full of mindless drones.
See the root of the problem? You look at the world and see people as helpless and in need of socialism.
We don't.

Quote from: SalemCat on January 24, 2016, 08:05:28 PM
While I admire the enthusiasm, there are many, perhaps even the majority, who will forever be "Employees", and never "Employers".

And those who have low-skills will be replaced by robots, and will never be employed.

Should they be euthanized ?

Obviously not, but here is the dilemma.

We currently offer SSI to the retarded who cannot contribute. Let's say their IQ's are 60. Suppose robots can do the jobs of those at 60. Then 70. Then 100.

What happens next ?

They become SALESMEN and regain their self-respect!

So employers are too stupid to see value in a individual to hire them, and/or an individual is so stupid they can't say a single positive thing about themselves to get hired....?

Any knucklehead who can sit around a BAR and tell jokes has the basic skills to learn how to market themselves - they can TALK to people.   If my kids can sell a DUCK at a farmer's market to a lady who drove 2 hours looking for a CHICKEN, trust me, anyone who applies themselves can learn how to MARKET themselves.  There is absolutely no magic to opening your mouth and speaking, telling someone WHY you like or dislike something, we do it all day long without thinking about it.  Make it pay for you, and become the next Donald Trump, selling the "sizzle instead of the steak".   ...or selling that next labor saving device, a robot.  meh.   "We're all gonna LOVE IT...!", Trump says - maybe his wall is a privacy fence from Lowes, or a picket fence from Home Depot.   Is Trump selling a vision of a fence (your imagination dreams up) or an actual fence - think about it, he's a salesman.

Let's say you dig through your attic, and fill 5 boxes with unwanted JUNK.   For $10 rent, you have a table at a flea market, and put a girl wearing a pretty pink dress with yellow trim, has an IQ of 60 behind that table - on the box is written:  "$2 per item, whole box for $25"   About all the girl can do is sweetly smile, and hold out her hand to collect money, you actually have to count the change for her.   Even out of sympathy, stuff will get sold, it's understanding human nature - a learning process  (which in my case, I will never understand my wife and daughters - but nevertheless, I dearly love them).

If one listens to the radio for an hour, they'll hear an ad by a guy, who's suggesting the Dollar is going to collapse, giving a web-site to visit and encouraging people to just give him a listen.   The guy made a pile of money, doing the pump-and-dump with penny stocks.   Another guy, who can't produce a single thing, BUYS a $150 package of dehydrated food, stuffs a bunch of doom-n-gloom literature in with it, and resells it for a hundred more.  You've probably heard his ads on the radio, he says FEMA is hoarding food.  (all BS, of course).

On my drive to work, a guy bought a 5 acre lot on the side of a hill, about a year ago.   He's been living in a tow trailer for the last year, while he builds a small house into the side of this hill.  He's probably doing it as he earns the money to buy materials - debt free.   Smart man, IMO.   It would not be worth sending a bunch of robots out to build this little homestead for him, and he gets the added satisfaction of doing it himself, with the help from a few of his friends.  He's doing what alot of people want to do - with limited resources, limited funds, making his dream come true.

Salem Cat, Robots will eventually be able to replace a person with an Iq like that of Einstein.

And the ability to process information like that, isn't too far off with Computers.

Remember folks. As of now, our computers abilities double about every five years or so. They already have AI's with an intel of about a four year old.

But now I've scared ya, here's what humans will be doing.



With the advent of holography you can actually feel. And the advancements in V.R. this isn't too far off folks.

Nor is this, which the guys who developed the holograms are intentionally setting out to create.

Ya walk in, it's an empty room like this:



You access your nifty little personal device, tell the computer what ya want.

And Bam ya got this:



It's coming folks. :)

http://www.newsweek.com/scientists-have-invented-3d-holograms-289551

Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on January 24, 2016, 10:43:05 PM

I'm not sure this will not be the inevitable result.

Perhaps Technology IS Adam's Apple.

Quote from: SalemCat on January 25, 2016, 08:41:06 PM
I'm not sure this will not be the inevitable result.

Perhaps Technology IS Adam's Apple.

That post was a joke. I believe your fear of technology is insane personally. That is just the blunt truth.

Scroll to the 33 second mark. This is how you sound to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcklpJARBxw

Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on January 25, 2016, 09:07:50 PM
That post was a joke. I believe your fear of technology is insane personally. That is just the blunt truth.

Scroll to the 33 second mark. This is how you sound to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcklpJARBxw

Yeah there's no reason to fear it. One thing we always do, with our tech, is include an off switch.

That's what I never got about the Terminator movies, especially the third one for example.

The military creates an A.I. that is given control of our weapons systems, and then after becoming self aware, the A.I. turns our own weapons of war against us.

Why the frick didn't someone just walk over to the wall outlet and pull the plug? The moment the A.I. posed any sort of threat. I know I would have. 

Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on January 25, 2016, 09:07:50 PM
That post was a joke. I believe your fear of technology is insane personally. That is just the blunt truth.

Scroll to the 33 second mark. This is how you sound to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcklpJARBxw

Sorry, my friend.

The FAMILY GUY crowd is no friend of Conservatives, not Christians. I will not allow my household to watch it.

On the other hand, I DO allow South Park. I don't mind the manner in which they treat Jesus - they humanize Him, and unlike FG, do not mock.

Furthermore, SP has the balls to mock ISLAM, something FG would never do.

Family Guy is cowardly scum.

Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on January 25, 2016, 09:07:50 PM
That post was a joke. I believe your fear of technology is insane personally. That is just the blunt truth.

Scroll to the 33 second mark. This is how you sound to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcklpJARBxw

And I am not "Afraid" of Technology.

I actually embrace it.

I simply urge everyone to be PREPARED for Techology's "Bounty".

Only then will we be able to turn Technology's promise into a boon, not a bane.

Quote from: SalemCat on January 27, 2016, 08:20:33 PM
Sorry, my friend.

The FAMILY GUY crowd is no friend of Conservatives, not Christians. I will not allow my household to watch it.

On the other hand, I DO allow South Park. I don't mind the manner in which they treat Jesus - they humanize Him, and unlike FG, do not mock.

Furthermore, SP has the balls to mock ISLAM, something FG would never do.

Family Guy is cowardly scum.

SalemCat, I like your response.   I am glad you are here.

Quote from: SalemCat on January 27, 2016, 08:20:33 PM
Sorry, my friend.

The FAMILY GUY crowd is no friend of Conservatives, not Christians. I will not allow my household to watch it.

On the other hand, I DO allow South Park. I don't mind the manner in which they treat Jesus - they humanize Him, and unlike FG, do not mock.

Furthermore, SP has the balls to mock ISLAM, something FG would never do.

Family Guy is cowardly scum.

SP only once, ever showed or mentioned Allah. In fact, if you watch a re-run of it today, they block him out with a black square.

Jesus was a recurring character on the show. They may not in your opinion be mocking Christ, it's a fact they show deference to Islam.

But, that I think this is actually more Comedy Centrals doing, than the creators of SP.

Quote from: SalemCat on January 27, 2016, 08:20:33 PM
Sorry, my friend.

The FAMILY GUY crowd is no friend of Conservatives, not Christians. I will not allow my household to watch it.

Family Guy is cowardly scum.

I can't say I disagree.

Maybe you should reconsider. What better way to "know thy enemy" than watch their "propaganda".

Quote from: SalemCat on January 27, 2016, 08:20:33 PM
On the other hand, I DO allow South Park. I don't mind the manner in which they treat Jesus - they humanize Him, and unlike FG, do not mock.

Furthermore, SP has the balls to mock ISLAM, something FG would never do.

I can't say I agree.

Quote from: SalemCat on January 27, 2016, 08:23:44 PM
And I am not "Afraid" of Technology.

I actually embrace it.

Yeah, I can tell.............

What will happen when there are no jobs?
Killer Robots will hunt your ass down and swiss cheese ya!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3446483/Rogue-Terminators-kill-without-human-orders-use-years-unless-global-ban.html

QuoteAs reported in the Sunday Times, Wallach said: 'One of the concerns voiced by critics of military robots is the prospect that robotic weaponry will lower the psychological barriers to starting wars.
'Another major concern is that robotic fighting machines in the relatively near future could autonomously initiate lethal activity.'

... Hey, Term... did you hear those coyotes last night?  Yeah?  stand guard over the chicken coop, would ya, and bring in another stack of wood for the fireplace, after you finish vacuuming and making my bed.  Thanks, man - er, Tin Man.  Why not recharge your batteries, and stomp into the woods, wrestle a bear or something this afternoon - me and the lady want some quiet.

Quote'Can the global economy adapt to greater than 50 percent unemployment?' he asked.
Today there are more than 200,000 industrial robots in the USA and their number continues to rise.
By Vardi's calculation, 10 percent of jobs related to driving in the United States could disappear due to the rise of driverless cars in the coming 25 years.
According to Bart Selman, professor of computer science at Cornell University, 'in the next two or three years, semi-autonomous or autonomous systems will march into our society.'
He listed self-driving cars and trucks, autonomous drones for surveillance and fully automatic trading systems, along with house robots and other kinds of 'intelligence assistance' which make decisions on behalf of humans.

Face Cord - Tin Man, I want the firewood stacked, not this freaking karate chopped pile!  You enjoyed yourself, but remember who-pays-the-electric-bill in this cabin.  Hey, Tin Man - who's your pick for the Kentucky Derby, got an algorithm for that?  You can drive a car, but picking a winner is outside your programming?  Whatta I need to do, defrag your memory again...?  No face cord, no oil - understood!?

  Yeah, I could deal with it.

Quote from: daidalos on January 27, 2016, 10:10:26 PM
SP only once, ever showed or mentioned Allah. In fact, if you watch a re-run of it today, they block him out with a black square.

Jesus was a recurring character on the show. They may not in your opinion be mocking Christ, it's a fact they show deference to Islam.

But, that I think this is actually more Comedy Centrals doing, than the creators of SP.

Yes, the creators of South Park show courage when it comes to Islam. It's Comedy Central that censored the infamous Episodes 200 and 201.

I was able, with some difficulty, to download those episodes from some web site in Slovakia.

Both are quite tame. Proving what worthless cowards Comedy Central really are.

And as far as South Park and Jesus go, their Jesus is MY Jesus. Not a wussie-man as He is so often portrayed, but a real human being. The real Jesus was obviously charismatic and respected - so much so the ESTABLISHMENT murdered Him.

Quote from: Hoofer on February 14, 2016, 08:23:46 AM
What will happen when there are no jobs?

There will always be jobs. Why? Robots don't buy refrigerators and automobiles.

It makes little sense to rattle out 20,000 widgets an hour using a robot if nobody's buying them.

I was reading something once where they presented the future as seen by the 1950s authors and artists.

"We were arrogant," he said. "Then 90% of the world made its living scratching dirt. By the end of the next century, 90% of the world will still make its living scratching dirt."

No jobs, no revenue from income taxes. Where does that leave the federal government?

The 'what if' scenarios are fun to bat around. At least, the realistic ones are fun. This one isn't even close to realistic.