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Started by Possum, January 09, 2021, 04:08:00 PM

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Possum

Well looks like firefox is jumping on the censorship train too. I need a suggestion from yall on what would be a good replacement. What I know about browsers you could stick in your eye and still see 20/20. Are all of them tied into google in some way? I am on hughsnet which is satellite service and it is s....l....o....w. So I am assuming I would need a browser without bells and whistles.

Rick

Im using Brave.

Have been doing a spybot scan every Saturday for years, am amazed by how little is found compared to other browsers.

Hope that helps.
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Quote from: Rick on January 09, 2021, 04:27:08 PM
Im using Brave.

Have been doing a spybot scan every Saturday for years, am amazed by how little is found compared to other browsers.

Hope that helps.
Yeah, definitely Brave! I also like Epic Privacy Browser, quick and clean.
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Quote from: Possum on January 09, 2021, 04:08:00 PM
Well looks like firefox is jumping on the censorship train too. I need a suggestion from yall on what would be a good replacement. What I know about browsers you could stick in your eye and still see 20/20. Are all of them tied into google in some way? I am on hughsnet which is satellite service and it is s....l....o....w. So I am assuming I would need a browser without bells and whistles.

https://conservativehardliner.com/you-absolutely-must-install-brave-browser

Epic is good too, but they don't have a Linux version, so I can't speak to it.
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Possum

Quote from: Rick on January 09, 2021, 04:27:08 PM
Im using Brave.

Have been doing a spybot scan every Saturday for years, am amazed by how little is found compared to other browsers.

Hope that helps.
Thanks.

Bluepig

I use a combination of components for Internet Security.

As I'm migrating away from Windows I run Zorin as an operating system (very much like a Windows front end, but a Linux distro) on my new desktop. My HP laptop is still Windows, and I'm not sure I want to kick that beast by dropping Zorin on top. What I will probably do is build a Virtual Machine within Windows, and then do a Zorin or Elementary OS, and Ubuntu on another.

As a guy with a ton of years in the IT field, here are my suggestions; with variations.

If you're running Windows, either install Tor Project Browser on your system, or possibly Brave (remember Brave drops a Google cookie just like every other browser, except Tor, and its foundation is Chrome/Chromium/Google and now Microsoft Edge Chromium). I'd also buy your own VPN. I really like PureVPN, but that is not to say there are not better options, Pure just works for me.

If you're running OS/X you're kind of stuck, because Safari still scrapes all searches and sends that data back to Apple. Remember, it's Apple's way or no way. Don't get me wrong, OS/X has its place, and insane fan base. I recently sold my 2020 M1 Mac Mini, my early 2020 12.9 iPad Pro, but I'm stuck in the family of iPhones (12 Pro Max 256).

If you're running a Linux distro (version or variation), you are actually on a much smoother path. Linux (for those who don't follow it) in open source, and that community is a lot more focused upon anonymity. There are a bunch of really good distros out there, Ubuntu is probably the most widely used, followed by Red Hat/Open SUSE, or Mint. Debian is a developer focused version, and I'm guessing every serious Cult of Linux person out there has a system dedicated to it's install. I prefer Zorin and Elementary as very easy to install and use Linux versions. My first Linux install was in 1993 from a copy I got while traveling to Salt Lake City, and in those days getting a successful install and finding any workable drivers was truly magic, if not impossible. Linux and drivers is no longer a magic act, and most reputable hardware mfgs send out Linux drivers with their video cards, motherboards, and other hardware.

A bit more on Brave. Anyone remember the Hacker One bug in Brave? It was the bug that reported DNS names servers to your DNS provider, and that allowed them to see your browsing history if you weren't accessing a site via HTTPS. No browser is perfect, and not often because of the browser itself, but the nature of the Internet. I don't trust anything Google, that has it's origins in Google, or that drops a Google cookie on you system so they get referrals, and a window into your internet soul. If you want to find out for yourself if Brave does exactly that, here are a few steps to follow.

1. Clear your browser history and cookies.
2. Change your default page to blank (make sure no default page loads and you only get the Brave front end).
3. Restart your system.
4. Do not launch or open anything else, except Brave, and make sure no site links are open.
5. Go and check your cookies, see if there is a Google cookie.

I used to trust Firefox even though I hate its layout, and how favorites are managed. But once I ran the cookie test on it and found that Google cookie, I went in and blocked Google.com as a link-able address. This does not stop Firefox from sharing it's Cookie data with Google and getting a fat check, but it stops any redirects.

Using the Internet comes with a pretty high potential cost. Take as many precautions as possible, and be safe, even if it slows your browsing experience down a bit.

If you're not sure what cookies are these guys did a pretty complete job of explaining them>

https://www.kaspersky.com/resource-center/definitions/cookies


Bluepig

On the hardware side of security I run two specific components:

The Juniper Services Gateway, and the Netgear AX11000 router. On the Juniper I run a mist cloud, and the router takes care of all of my connections to the world. When I travel I take my Mist AP and have direct access to my home config. It's a little over the top, but I do a couple of things that I want to keep from prying eyes (customer data, contacts, and other associated info).

Passwords - If you're running a basic router/modem to access the world and you've been told all you have to do to stay secure is change the default password to something different, you have been deceived. At a minimum you want a complex password of at least 10 mixed case, character and numbers (I prefer 12-16). It used to be that in the past 256 bit AES Encryption was the bee's knee's, but that takes the servers here at the NSA maybe 3-10 minutes (if not less to crack). So far the federal government has stated that the highest level of encryption that can legally be used is 256 bit, largely because that is what they can encrypt. Get it; you can be safe and secure as long as we know what your doing!

I recently started digging into OTP (One Time Pad), which is argued to be uncrackable, but it takes some effort. OTP is impossible to crack if these four rules are followed.
    The key must be truly random.
    The key must be at least as long as the plaintext.
    The key must never be reused in whole or in part.
    The key must be kept completely secret.

And it is a pain in the ass to maintain. Most of us create one password, repeat that everywhere, and believe we are safe from the world. Some of us use a secure USB key and have to have it plugged in to use our computers. Others hide behind firewalls, appliances, complex router configurations. The only certainty about security is; if someone wrote or built it, someone else can undo it.

taxed

Quote from: Bluepig on March 14, 2021, 08:19:22 PM
I use a combination of components for Internet Security.

As I'm migrating away from Windows I run Zorin as an operating system (very much like a Windows front end, but a Linux distro) on my new desktop. My HP laptop is still Windows, and I'm not sure I want to kick that beast by dropping Zorin on top. What I will probably do is build a Virtual Machine within Windows, and then do a Zorin or Elementary OS, and Ubuntu on another.

As a guy with a ton of years in the IT field, here are my suggestions; with variations.

If you're running Windows, either install Tor Project Browser on your system, or possibly Brave (remember Brave drops a Google cookie just like every other browser, except Tor, and its foundation is Chrome/Chromium/Google and now Microsoft Edge Chromium). I'd also buy your own VPN. I really like PureVPN, but that is not to say there are not better options, Pure just works for me.

If you're running OS/X you're kind of stuck, because Safari still scrapes all searches and sends that data back to Apple. Remember, it's Apple's way or no way. Don't get me wrong, OS/X has its place, and insane fan base. I recently sold my 2020 M1 Mac Mini, my early 2020 12.9 iPad Pro, but I'm stuck in the family of iPhones (12 Pro Max 256).

If you're running a Linux distro (version or variation), you are actually on a much smoother path. Linux (for those who don't follow it) in open source, and that community is a lot more focused upon anonymity. There are a bunch of really good distros out there, Ubuntu is probably the most widely used, followed by Red Hat/Open SUSE, or Mint. Debian is a developer focused version, and I'm guessing every serious Cult of Linux person out there has a system dedicated to it's install. I prefer Zorin and Elementary as very easy to install and use Linux versions. My first Linux install was in 1993 from a copy I got while traveling to Salt Lake City, and in those days getting a successful install and finding any workable drivers was truly magic, if not impossible. Linux and drivers is no longer a magic act, and most reputable hardware mfgs send out Linux drivers with their video cards, motherboards, and other hardware.

A bit more on Brave. Anyone remember the Hacker One bug in Brave? It was the bug that reported DNS names servers to your DNS provider, and that allowed them to see your browsing history if you weren't accessing a site via HTTPS. No browser is perfect, and not often because of the browser itself, but the nature of the Internet. I don't trust anything Google, that has it's origins in Google, or that drops a Google cookie on you system so they get referrals, and a window into your internet soul. If you want to find out for yourself if Brave does exactly that, here are a few steps to follow.

1. Clear your browser history and cookies.
2. Change your default page to blank (make sure no default page loads and you only get the Brave front end).
3. Restart your system.
4. Do not launch or open anything else, except Brave, and make sure no site links are open.
5. Go and check your cookies, see if there is a Google cookie.

I used to trust Firefox even though I hate its layout, and how favorites are managed. But once I ran the cookie test on it and found that Google cookie, I went in and blocked Google.com as a link-able address. This does not stop Firefox from sharing it's Cookie data with Google and getting a fat check, but it stops any redirects.

Using the Internet comes with a pretty high potential cost. Take as many precautions as possible, and be safe, even if it slows your browsing experience down a bit.

If you're not sure what cookies are these guys did a pretty complete job of explaining them>

https://www.kaspersky.com/resource-center/definitions/cookies

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Bluepig

Yeah I get ya'' brother. But I'm taking small bites. I built the desktop with no intention of having it be windows or OS/X. The HP Laptop is 3 weeks old, and we're making some big changes at home, plus my wife's scheduling for work has to be done on a Windows system, so for the time being...

I'm also going to do some deeper research and try to match up an Linux distro with my HP Spectre X360. I will also create a bootable backup of the hidden partition on a USB stick in case my selected Linux distro melts the laptop's brains during install, then I have a recovery point to do an HP restore to factory. Since she's away visiting two of our kids I'll have to wait to see if the "Must be a Windows - Internet Explore" system is true. If she can use Firefox or Brave, who needs windows, and all I have to do is as best I can mimic my desktop on my Laptop. I'm really hoping that Zorin will work on my HP, but I don't have the free time right now to experiment.

Give me a few and I'll report back on the Windows to Linux HP experiment. For now the new desktop is my guinea pig sandbox.

Bluepig

I decided to give Brave a go again, and not unlike all other reports, it is 3x faster than Firefox; I was shocked.

Last night I got a notice that update was ready, so I went for it. When I got home today I started a search and the search brought up Google. Since I used DuckDuckGo, and my browser option was previously set to DDG, the update reset not only my default browser, but several other things too, and all of them weakened my security footprint from a browser perspective. Social media blocking - All of the social media settings were back to Allow, I previously had them set to Deny. Appearance - Show top sites in auto complete suggestions was turned on, previously off. Shields - Trackers & Ad Blocking was sent to Standard, previously Aggressive. Search Engine - Set to Google, previously DuckDuckGo & all of the search engines that were previously listed (except DDG) were back.