you're stupid enough to focus on your complaints about the RINOs and let the dems off the hook this close to an important election. Why you want to complain about people who vote Republican is beyond my comprehension. You don't look like people who can actually run a nation and lead the world. Your outlook is too narrow and all you'll find is defeat.
What's with all the bile and the flimsy strawmen arguments?
We aren't letting Democrats off the hook on anything. Where is your proof that's what we are doing?
And what is so narrow about saying you are against Obamacare, Cap and Trade, the recent growth in the size of government and all of the bailouts. A majority of the people agree with these positions. That's why we are leading in the polls. If you believe otherwise then you are the one with the narrow view if you consider the will of the American people as the determining factor. ;)
Crist, Murkowski and Castle are all RINOs who are doing their best to take down the conservatives who won fair and square in the Republican primaries. Exactly where do you see political groups or candidates on the conservative side working to undermine the Republican Party's nominee who is currently running against a Democrat?
Is your beef contained to the words of a few guys on an internet posting board? Really? And if so, then doesn't it sound weird that you don't have a word of reproach for what Crist, Murkowski and Castle are doing to really undermine legitimate Republican candidates?
Quote from: crepe05 on September 27, 2010, 08:35:18 AM
you're stupid enough to focus on your complaints about the RINOs and let the dems off the hook this close to an important election. Why you want to complain about people who vote Republican is beyond my comprehension. You don't look like people who can actually run a nation and lead the world. Your outlook is too narrow and all you'll find is defeat.
Crepe, relax. I really don't think you understand what is at issue her.
I think you have bought into the hype the Dims have put out about the Tea party.
Not to mention the RINO in the Pub party, they are afraid of losing power and money, these people care only about themselves, a true Rep cares about you and the Country.
These RINO have no problem with our debt, as long as they can use the money to keep them in power.
There aren't very many of them in the Pub party, but they are all in positions of power.
Remember, there are not many of them, they are not the majority, but they head all of the committees.
Solar, I've got serious doubts that the "crepe05" in this forum is NOT the same "crepe05" from the "other" forum. This "crepe05" is an imposter. The "crepe05" that I know from the other forum is not at all like the one in here. This version is angry, nasty, and very rude.
Quote from: AmericanFlyer on September 27, 2010, 09:58:43 AM
Solar, I've got serious doubts that the "crepe05" in this forum is NOT the same "crepe05" from the "other" forum. This "crepe05" is an imposter. The "crepe05" that I know from the other forum is not at all like the one in here. This version is angry, nasty, and very rude.
Hmmmm....
I never really paid attention over at LNF and I left shortly after she joined, so I can't make a judgment call, but I do not remember her getting so worked up over there.
But I also don't see any gain for impersonating her.
Quote from: AmericanFlyer on September 27, 2010, 09:58:43 AM
Solar, I've got serious doubts that the "crepe05" in this forum is NOT the same "crepe05" from the "other" forum. This "crepe05" is an imposter. The "crepe05" that I know from the other forum is not at all like the one in here. This version is angry, nasty, and very rude.
I agree and said as much to Solar in a PM. I think we're being punked. This Crepe05 goes out of her way to be offended, but does not egage in actual discussions about these points. ;)
I considered PMing Solar about this, but I thought it better to put it out in the open forum. Somebody pretending to be crepe05 has joined this forum, and is trolling around stirring up trouble. At least that's my opinion.
As I stated in my previous posting, the crepe05 in the other forum is not at all like the one in this forum. The "real" crepe05 wouldn't hurt a fly, and is a very nice person.
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 10:04:02 AM
Quote from: AmericanFlyer on September 27, 2010, 09:58:43 AM
Solar, I've got serious doubts that the "crepe05" in this forum is NOT the same "crepe05" from the "other" forum. This "crepe05" is an imposter. The "crepe05" that I know from the other forum is not at all like the one in here. This version is angry, nasty, and very rude.
I agree and said as much to Solar in a PM. I think we're being punked. This Crepe05 goes out of her way to be offended, but does not egage in actual discussions about these points. ;)
You did? I didn't get one. ???
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 10:08:31 AM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 10:04:02 AM
Quote from: AmericanFlyer on September 27, 2010, 09:58:43 AM
Solar, I've got serious doubts that the "crepe05" in this forum is NOT the same "crepe05" from the "other" forum. This "crepe05" is an imposter. The "crepe05" that I know from the other forum is not at all like the one in here. This version is angry, nasty, and very rude.
I agree and said as much to Solar in a PM. I think we're being punked. This Crepe05 goes out of her way to be offended, but does not egage in actual discussions about these points. ;)
You did? I didn't get one. ???
Yep. Sent it about 30 minutes ago.
If this is the same poster, you can confirm that by going back to you-know-where and asking her, via PM. Until then, continue saying good thoughts that this does NOT sound like crepe05 (because it does not).
I was impersonated several times at LNF and at ATT before that. It got so every possible spelling of my user-name had been registered, except the one I was then using.
Impersonation is entirely possible, from angry halfwits trying to stir crap amongst conservative site members. Don't leap until more is known, eh?
Quote from: quiller on September 27, 2010, 10:28:33 AM
If this is the same poster, you can confirm that by going back to you-know-where and asking her, via PM. Until then, continue saying good thoughts that this does NOT sound like crepe05 (because it does not).
I was impersonated several times at LNF and at ATT before that. It got so every possible spelling of my user-name had been registered, except the one I was then using.
Impersonation is entirely possible, from angry halfwits trying to stir crap amongst conservative site members. Don't leap until more is known, eh?
I did awhile ago, waiting on a reply, but I'm with you, it's probably her.
I don't see any gain in impersonating her, I don't think she has any enemies either.
Ahh, liberal trolls don't need any motivation to annoy people or to misrepresent what they actually think. ;)
C'mon, guys. Y'all need to lighten up on this business. I've read enough of Miss Crepe's stuff to not think this is an impostor. Hell, for all I know, we're all impostors here. Sheeesh. Quit drinking the DIM Kool Aid.
I certainly don't always agree with Miss Crepe, and to a large extent, believe she is wrong in this, but the simple fact remains, unless anyone here has access to voting in every election in the US, you can only try to control your own Representative and Senator. You may send money to those you particularly wish to endorse, but other than that, a circle jerk will do you better. YOU CAN NOT CONTROL HOW PEOPLE VOTE ELSEWHERE!
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 10:40:58 AM
Ahh, liberal trolls don't need any motivation to annoy people or to misrepresent what they actually think. ;)
Dan, do you really think Miss Crepe is a liberal troll? >:(
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 10:47:39 AM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 10:40:58 AM
Ahh, liberal trolls don't need any motivation to annoy people or to misrepresent what they actually think. ;)
Dan, do you really think Miss Crepe is a liberal troll? >:(
I think it's Crepe, and I think she explained as to why she got all excited, she might just be having an off day.
I heard women do that on occasion.
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 10:52:11 AM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 10:47:39 AM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 10:40:58 AM
Ahh, liberal trolls don't need any motivation to annoy people or to misrepresent what they actually think. ;)
Dan, do you really think Miss Crepe is a liberal troll? >:(
I think it's Crepe, and I think she explained as to why she got all excited, she might just be having an off day.
I heard women do that on occasion.
Fair enough, I don't think she is just having an off day, but let's presume she is; does that make her a liberal troll?
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 10:58:31 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 10:52:11 AM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 10:47:39 AM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 10:40:58 AM
Ahh, liberal trolls don't need any motivation to annoy people or to misrepresent what they actually think. ;)
Dan, do you really think Miss Crepe is a liberal troll? >:(
I think it's Crepe, and I think she explained as to why she got all excited, she might just be having an off day.
I heard women do that on occasion.
Fair enough, I don't think she is just having an off day, but let's presume she is; does that make her a liberal troll?
I always thought she was a conservative and nothing else.
Though I do think she is totally misinterpreting what we are talking about, and somehow took it personally.
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 10:40:58 AM
Ahh, liberal trolls don't need any motivation to annoy people or to misrepresent what they actually think. ;)
Having often been called a troll, myself, by angry leftists (and having been impersonated numerous times by trolls), I'll waver on the side of caution here.
Reagan's 11th Commandment appears to be
partly behind "our" crepe05's comments about not picking on RINOs in order for the greater good, the election itself.
She appears to say the GOP needs to actually get in and it's pointless to tear down viable GOP candidates --- (and here I add my supposition) --- that we can THEN clean house at leisure once elected.
That last part is entirely speculative on my part. She could probably clarify it if I am wrong.
But the 11th Commandment is and always will be, do not speak ill of other Republicans. It isn't much of a stretch to add ---
PARTICULARLY don't do it in the final weeks before the election!
She appears to be over-reacting to a few comments here, but then so are others here who appear to do likewise. Me, I'll wait until she answers a PM "over there," to confirm or deny "our" crepe05 is really her.
I believe this crepe is the same that was on LNF..I invited her here.
Crepe doesnt buy into the rinos as being as bad as a dem like some do...shes also very passionate about getting democrats out and republicans in and she feels like in Delaware the pursuit of only purists may have a reverse effect.
I think its conservative purists standing for nothing less and not caring if it causes dems to win...and a more moderate republican that wants Rs after everyones name whether theres some rinos in there or not...
NOW DONT JUMP ON ME...Im merely offering an explanation that I believe to be true..lol
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 11:02:02 AM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 10:58:31 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 10:52:11 AM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 10:47:39 AM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 10:40:58 AM
Ahh, liberal trolls don't need any motivation to annoy people or to misrepresent what they actually think. ;)
Dan, do you really think Miss Crepe is a liberal troll? >:(
I think it's Crepe, and I think she explained as to why she got all excited, she might just be having an off day.
I heard women do that on occasion.
Fair enough, I don't think she is just having an off day, but let's presume she is; does that make her a liberal troll?
I always thought she was a conservative and nothing else.
Though I do think she is totally misinterpreting what we are talking about, and somehow took it personally.
I have read enough of the Dear Lady's postings on the Loose Nut Forum, to know she considers herself more of a moderate than conservative. She has also espoused pretty much there, what she has espoused here. I believe Miss Crepe has bellied up to the bar for a shot of bourbon and believes she was served rye.
I will reiterate, no one dislikes RINOs any more than I, but here is a truthism, they've been with us since the beginning. At one time we called many of them Big East Liberal PUBS. Ike was a RINO by today's standards. Nixon was a liberal, Reagan, in spite of the myths assigned unto him was basically a moderate. He was not a true conservative. More than anything else, he was a pragmatic and consummate politician. He bent and compromised any ideals he had, to accomplish his goals. He still had high regard for FDR. ( read back over his speeches )
I do believe we have slung the word RINO around fairly willynilly of late, but an unfortunate truth is simply what one of us may consider a RINO, may be a godsend to other constituents and we can not purge all of them. Learn to live with them or go back into the wilderness for 40 years.
I welcome the demise of the PUBS and DIMS equally, but until that happens, we will continue down the slope into oblivion.
Quote from: zip on September 27, 2010, 11:21:00 AM
I believe this crepe is the same that was on LNF..I invited her here.
Crepe doesnt buy into the rinos as being as bad as a dem like some do...shes also very passionate about getting democrats out and republicans in and she feels like in Delaware the pursuit of only purists may have a reverse effect.
I think its conservative purists standing for nothing less and not caring if it causes dems to win...and a more moderate republican that wants Rs after everyones name whether theres some rinos in there or not...
NOW DONT JUMP ON ME...Im merely offering an explanation that I believe to be true..lol
Agreed, Zip.
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 11:27:20 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 11:02:02 AM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 10:58:31 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 10:52:11 AM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 10:47:39 AM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 10:40:58 AM
Ahh, liberal trolls don't need any motivation to annoy people or to misrepresent what they actually think. ;)
Dan, do you really think Miss Crepe is a liberal troll? >:(
I think it's Crepe, and I think she explained as to why she got all excited, she might just be having an off day.
I heard women do that on occasion.
Fair enough, I don't think she is just having an off day, but let's presume she is; does that make her a liberal troll?
I always thought she was a conservative and nothing else.
Though I do think she is totally misinterpreting what we are talking about, and somehow took it personally.
I have read enough of the Dear Lady's postings on the Loose Nut Forum, to know she considers herself more of a moderate than conservative. She has also espoused pretty much there, what she has espoused here. I believe Miss Crepe has bellied up to the bar for a shot of bourbon and believes she was served rye.
I will reiterate, no one dislikes RINOs any more than I, but here is a truthism, they've been with us since the beginning. At one time we called many of them Big East Liberal PUBS. Ike was a RINO by today's standards. Nixon was a liberal, Reagan, in spite of the myths assigned unto him was basically a moderate. He was not a true conservative. More than anything else, he was a pragmatic and consummate politician. He bent and compromised any ideals he had, to accomplish his goals. He still had high regard for FDR. ( read back over his speeches )
I do believe we have slung the word RINO around fairly willynilly of late, but an unfortunate truth is simply what one of us may consider a RINO, may be a godsend to other constituents and we can not purge all of them. Learn to live with them or go back into the wilderness for 40 years.
I welcome the demise of the PUBS and DIMS equally, but until that happens, we will continue down the slope into oblivion.
Great post and I agree...whats happening right now today is that alot of republicans were sick and tired of gop Like Mcain fighting for amnesty for illegals which GWBush was for and SO WAS REAGAN..in fact Reagan GAVE amnesty to millions of illegals. They are sick and tired of the Olympia Snows and Susan Collins and Lyndsey Grahams and Spectres, that have given the democrats so many victories that they should never have had and the rest of the rinos....but like you so aptly explained it...we all need to learn to live with some rinos OR live with mostly democrats and then win nothing.
The teaparty and its purist conservative beliefs may seem like a HUGE slice of america..but its not, america is mostly center right.
Quote from: zip on September 27, 2010, 12:06:14 PM
Great post and I agree...whats happening right now today is that alot of republicans were sick and tired of gop Like Mcain fighting for amnesty for illegals which GWBush was for and SO WAS REAGAN..in fact Reagan GAVE amnesty to millions of illegals. They are sick and tired of the Olympia Snows and Susan Collins and Lyndsey Grahams and Spectres, that have given the democrats so many victories that they should never have had and the rest of the rinos....but like you so aptly explained it...we all need to learn to live with some rinos OR live with mostly democrats and then win nothing.
The teaparty and its purist conservative beliefs may seem like a HUGE slice of america..but its not, america is mostly center right.
I believe we are actually slightly center left. We've had almost 80 years of Big Brother and leftist doctrine, we continue to slide a tad farther left each cycle, and now, under Obambam, the slide will be hastened. The mold is set; the die has been cast; things the founders decided were wrong 220 years ago are now sacred policies acceptable by liberal and conservative alike.
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 10:47:39 AM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 10:40:58 AM
Ahh, liberal trolls don't need any motivation to annoy people or to misrepresent what they actually think. ;)
Dan, do you really think Miss Crepe is a liberal troll? >:(
No. I did not say that. In fact, I went way the heck out of my way to not say that. ;)
For the record, I did not call Crepe05 a troll. Liberal or otherwise. My reply number 12 in this thread was a response to Solar's reply number 11. Even though I did not put his comment in quotes, I was replying to that post.
In that post he brought up the question of why a liberal troll would try to impersonate someone else. That was the point I was responding to in my post.
Sorry for any confusion that was caused by the lack of my direct quote of the comment I was responding to, but I want to go on the record as stating it was not my intention to call Crepe05 a liberal troll.
Thank you. :)
Okay, I'll answer what I can remember is posted. If I forget anyone's question, ask again please.
No, I'm not just having a bad day. In fact, I like a good argument.
Yes, I'm crepe from another website. When I first signed up here a few years ago, "crepe" was already taken so I went with crepe05.
I am not a troll, dem or otherwise.
Yes, I'm passionate about politics and a lot of things.
I've been called a RINO in the past and at times I see myself as a RINO. I don't believe in the rigidity of so many conservatives that I know, either in my politics or my religion. In marriage, I do :D
I've bellied up to more than one bar in my lifetime, it used to be bourbon, never had rye, and now I enjoy one glass of wine for dinner.
My preference is to be called "crepe" but I'll answser to crepe05, miss crepe, ms crepe "crap" and I forget what ed used to call me when he got mad.
I want to defeat dems, not any, and I mean not any, Republican.
Whomever said Reagan was a moderate, thank you. He was. He was disliked by many reps of the time. I admired him from the word go.
I'll agree that there's always the possibility that I misinterpreted what was said.
zip, if they jump on you (which they won't) enjoy it.
I'll answer the PM if someone tells me where it is. I'll check the other place.
I think that's it.
OK Crepe05, would you help us out and explain to us where you differ on the issues from Conservatives. From an issues standpoint, what makes you a RINO?
Until we all get a better handle on that one, it's hard to see how we can have a serious conversation.
Quote from: crepe05 on September 27, 2010, 02:09:34 PM
Okay, I'll answer what I can remember is posted. If I forget anyone's question, ask again please.
No, I'm not just having a bad day. In fact, I like a good argument.
Yes, I'm crepe from another website. When I first signed up here a few years ago, "crepe" was already taken so I went with crepe05.
I am not a troll, dem or otherwise.
Yes, I'm passionate about politics and a lot of things.
I've been called a RINO in the past and at times I see myself as a RINO. I don't believe in the rigidity of so many conservatives that I know, either in my politics or my religion. In marriage, I do :D
I've bellied up to more than one bar in my lifetime, it used to be bourbon, never had rye, and now I enjoy one glass of wine for dinner.
My preference is to be called "crepe" but I'll answser to crepe05, miss crepe, ms crepe "crap" and I forget what ed used to call me when he got mad.
I want to defeat dems, not any, and I mean not any, Republican.
Whomever said Reagan was a moderate, thank you. He was. He was disliked by many reps of the time. I admired him from the word go.
I'll agree that there's always the possibility that I misinterpreted what was said.
zip, if they jump on you (which they won't) enjoy it.
I'll answer the PM if someone tells me where it is. I'll check the other place.
I think that's it.
What do you mean "here", and you always refer to your hubby as "Mr. Crepe" at LNF. Why now call him by his first name?
I didn't call mr crepe (note, he doesn't get capitol letters because I don't use them in my name) by his first name on this website. The name I used was the name of a poster with whom I tangled a lot. Check it out with others from that other place, if you must.
"here" means "here"this forum. What did you think it meant? Check it out. I've been a member "here" for a few years. I just focused more on the other place.
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 02:12:34 PM
OK Crepe05, would you help us out and explain to us where you differ on the issues from Conservatives. From an issues standpoint, what makes you a RINO?
Until we all get a better handle on that one, it's hard to see how we can have a serious conversation.
Geeze, silly little ole me. I thought I was being quite serious.
I differ big time on the conservatives opinion and lack of use for the republicans who are more moderate than they. I believe I made that very clear. That's actually the big complaint that I have against conservatives, true or not. Also I hate that term "true conservative". It reeks of snobbishness and closed mindedness.
I want our party to be open to all citizens. I view conservatives as wanting to close the party to those who don't agree with them. I believe in the conservative political values. I don't believe in their treatment of those who don't believe as they do. That's when I get angry. Again I'll say that it's real anger, not "having a bad day anger". I think that conservatives need to get as many people as possible in their party, and as the people mature and grow older they become more conservative themselves. I was more liberal in my twenties and then I grew up. Not wanting moderates in the party is just insane from my viewpoint
It's not the party's issues, it's their pomposity as I see it..
Quote from: crepe05 on September 27, 2010, 02:55:30 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 02:12:34 PM
OK Crepe05, would you help us out and explain to us where you differ on the issues from Conservatives. From an issues standpoint, what makes you a RINO?
Until we all get a better handle on that one, it's hard to see how we can have a serious conversation.
Geeze, silly little ole me. I thought I was being quite serious.
I differ big time on the conservatives opinion and lack of use for the republicans who are more moderate than they. I believe I made that very clear. That's actually the big complaint that I have against conservatives, true or not. Also I hate that term "true conservative". It reeks of snobbishness and closed mindedness.
I want our party to be open to all citizens. I view conservatives as wanting to close the party to those who don't agree with them. I believe in the conservative political values. I don't believe in their treatment of those who don't believe as they do. That's when I get angry. Again I'll say that it's real anger, not "having a bad day anger". I think that conservatives need to get as many people as possible in their party, and as the people mature and grow older they become more conservative themselves. I was more liberal in my twenties and then I grew up. Not wanting moderates in the party is just insane from my viewpoint
It's not the party's issues, it's their pomposity as I see it..
crepe were asking for an actual example, not a vague description.
Let me give you an example of a RINO.
Republican, Joseph Cao, he was the only Pub to vote in favor of obama care.
Do you think he belongs in the Party?
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 03:00:46 PM
Quote from: crepe05 on September 27, 2010, 02:55:30 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 02:12:34 PM
OK Crepe05, would you help us out and explain to us where you differ on the issues from Conservatives. From an issues standpoint, what makes you a RINO?
Until we all get a better handle on that one, it's hard to see how we can have a serious conversation.
Geeze, silly little ole me. I thought I was being quite serious.
I differ big time on the conservatives opinion and lack of use for the republicans who are more moderate than they. I believe I made that very clear. That's actually the big complaint that I have against conservatives, true or not. Also I hate that term "true conservative". It reeks of snobbishness and closed mindedness.
I want our party to be open to all citizens. I view conservatives as wanting to close the party to those who don't agree with them. I believe in the conservative political values. I don't believe in their treatment of those who don't believe as they do. That's when I get angry. Again I'll say that it's real anger, not "having a bad day anger". I think that conservatives need to get as many people as possible in their party, and as the people mature and grow older they become more conservative themselves. I was more liberal in my twenties and then I grew up. Not wanting moderates in the party is just insane from my viewpoint
It's not the party's issues, it's their pomposity as I see it..
crepe were asking for an actual example, not a vague description.
Let me give you an example of a RINO.
Republican, Joseph Cao, he was the only Pub to vote in favor of obama care.
Do you think he belongs in the Party?
I'm not Miss Crepe, but I will simply ask you this, Solar. Presuming he doesn't belong in the Party,
HOW DO YOU REMOVE HIM?
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 03:23:51 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 03:00:46 PM
Quote from: crepe05 on September 27, 2010, 02:55:30 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 02:12:34 PM
OK Crepe05, would you help us out and explain to us where you differ on the issues from Conservatives. From an issues standpoint, what makes you a RINO?
Until we all get a better handle on that one, it's hard to see how we can have a serious conversation.
Geeze, silly little ole me. I thought I was being quite serious.
I differ big time on the conservatives opinion and lack of use for the republicans who are more moderate than they. I believe I made that very clear. That's actually the big complaint that I have against conservatives, true or not. Also I hate that term "true conservative". It reeks of snobbishness and closed mindedness.
I want our party to be open to all citizens. I view conservatives as wanting to close the party to those who don't agree with them. I believe in the conservative political values. I don't believe in their treatment of those who don't believe as they do. That's when I get angry. Again I'll say that it's real anger, not "having a bad day anger". I think that conservatives need to get as many people as possible in their party, and as the people mature and grow older they become more conservative themselves. I was more liberal in my twenties and then I grew up. Not wanting moderates in the party is just insane from my viewpoint
It's not the party's issues, it's their pomposity as I see it..
crepe were asking for an actual example, not a vague description.
Let me give you an example of a RINO.
Republican, Joseph Cao, he was the only Pub to vote in favor of obama care.
Do you think he belongs in the Party?
I'm not Miss Crepe, but I will simply ask you this, Solar. Presuming he doesn't belong in the Party, HOW DO YOU REMOVE HIM?
By supporting his opponent monetarily.
Recall, or even impeachment, depending on the offense.
Any other questions?
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 10:46:01 AM
C'mon, guys. Y'all need to lighten up on this business. I've read enough of Miss Crepe's stuff to not think this is an impostor. Hell, for all I know, we're all impostors here. Sheeesh. Quit drinking the DIM Kool Aid.
I certainly don't always agree with Miss Crepe, and to a large extent, believe she is wrong in this, but the simple fact remains, unless anyone here has access to voting in every election in the US, you can only try to control your own Representative and Senator. You may send money to those you particularly wish to endorse, but other than that, a circle jerk will do you better. YOU CAN NOT CONTROL HOW PEOPLE VOTE ELSEWHERE!
Naw, there's only one Old Curmudgeon. ;)
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 03:28:19 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 03:23:51 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 03:00:46 PM
Quote from: crepe05 on September 27, 2010, 02:55:30 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 02:12:34 PM
OK Crepe05, would you help us out and explain to us where you differ on the issues from Conservatives. From an issues standpoint, what makes you a RINO?
Until we all get a better handle on that one, it's hard to see how we can have a serious conversation.
Geeze, silly little ole me. I thought I was being quite serious.
I differ big time on the conservatives opinion and lack of use for the republicans who are more moderate than they. I believe I made that very clear. That's actually the big complaint that I have against conservatives, true or not. Also I hate that term "true conservative". It reeks of snobbishness and closed mindedness.
I want our party to be open to all citizens. I view conservatives as wanting to close the party to those who don't agree with them. I believe in the conservative political values. I don't believe in their treatment of those who don't believe as they do. That's when I get angry. Again I'll say that it's real anger, not "having a bad day anger". I think that conservatives need to get as many people as possible in their party, and as the people mature and grow older they become more conservative themselves. I was more liberal in my twenties and then I grew up. Not wanting moderates in the party is just insane from my viewpoint
It's not the party's issues, it's their pomposity as I see it..
crepe were asking for an actual example, not a vague description.
Let me give you an example of a RINO.
Republican, Joseph Cao, he was the only Pub to vote in favor of obama care.
Do you think he belongs in the Party?
I'm not Miss Crepe, but I will simply ask you this, Solar. Presuming he doesn't belong in the Party, HOW DO YOU REMOVE HIM?
By supporting his opponent monetarily.
Recall, or even impeachment, depending on the offense.
Any other questions?
Several. How many are wealthy enough to support the opponents of all he/she determines is a RINO. Not just Cao, but all.
Exactly what would Cao, r any be impeached for?
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 04:14:00 PM
Several. How many are wealthy enough to support the opponents of all he/she determines is a RINO. Not just Cao, but all.
Exactly what would Cao, r any be impeached for?
Voting for a bill he hasn't read. That is a no-no.
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 04:14:00 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 03:28:19 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 03:23:51 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 03:00:46 PM
Quote from: crepe05 on September 27, 2010, 02:55:30 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 02:12:34 PM
OK Crepe05, would you help us out and explain to us where you differ on the issues from Conservatives. From an issues standpoint, what makes you a RINO?
Until we all get a better handle on that one, it's hard to see how we can have a serious conversation.
Geeze, silly little ole me. I thought I was being quite serious.
I differ big time on the conservatives opinion and lack of use for the republicans who are more moderate than they. I believe I made that very clear. That's actually the big complaint that I have against conservatives, true or not. Also I hate that term "true conservative". It reeks of snobbishness and closed mindedness.
I want our party to be open to all citizens. I view conservatives as wanting to close the party to those who don't agree with them. I believe in the conservative political values. I don't believe in their treatment of those who don't believe as they do. That's when I get angry. Again I'll say that it's real anger, not "having a bad day anger". I think that conservatives need to get as many people as possible in their party, and as the people mature and grow older they become more conservative themselves. I was more liberal in my twenties and then I grew up. Not wanting moderates in the party is just insane from my viewpoint
It's not the party's issues, it's their pomposity as I see it..
crepe were asking for an actual example, not a vague description.
Let me give you an example of a RINO.
Republican, Joseph Cao, he was the only Pub to vote in favor of obama care.
Do you think he belongs in the Party?
I'm not Miss Crepe, but I will simply ask you this, Solar. Presuming he doesn't belong in the Party, HOW DO YOU REMOVE HIM?
By supporting his opponent monetarily.
Recall, or even impeachment, depending on the offense.
Any other questions?
Several. How many are wealthy enough to support the opponents of all he/she determines is a RINO. Not just Cao, but all.
Exactly what would Cao, r any be impeached for?
How thick are you shooter?
Lets take Soros for example, he blatantly funds opponents all the time, so yes, they are out there.
As to impeachment, I said dependent upon the charge, but I see you skimmed right over the easiest means of removal, "Recall"!
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 04:20:07 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 04:14:00 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 03:28:19 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 03:23:51 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 03:00:46 PM
Quote from: crepe05 on September 27, 2010, 02:55:30 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 02:12:34 PM
OK Crepe05, would you help us out and explain to us where you differ on the issues from Conservatives. From an issues standpoint, what makes you a RINO?
Until we all get a better handle on that one, it's hard to see how we can have a serious conversation.
Geeze, silly little ole me. I thought I was being quite serious.
I differ big time on the conservatives opinion and lack of use for the republicans who are more moderate than they. I believe I made that very clear. That's actually the big complaint that I have against conservatives, true or not. Also I hate that term "true conservative". It reeks of snobbishness and closed mindedness.
I want our party to be open to all citizens. I view conservatives as wanting to close the party to those who don't agree with them. I believe in the conservative political values. I don't believe in their treatment of those who don't believe as they do. That's when I get angry. Again I'll say that it's real anger, not "having a bad day anger". I think that conservatives need to get as many people as possible in their party, and as the people mature and grow older they become more conservative themselves. I was more liberal in my twenties and then I grew up. Not wanting moderates in the party is just insane from my viewpoint
It's not the party's issues, it's their pomposity as I see it..
crepe were asking for an actual example, not a vague description.
Let me give you an example of a RINO.
Republican, Joseph Cao, he was the only Pub to vote in favor of obama care.
Do you think he belongs in the Party?
I'm not Miss Crepe, but I will simply ask you this, Solar. Presuming he doesn't belong in the Party, HOW DO YOU REMOVE HIM?
By supporting his opponent monetarily.
Recall, or even impeachment, depending on the offense.
Any other questions?
Several. How many are wealthy enough to support the opponents of all he/she determines is a RINO. Not just Cao, but all.
Exactly what would Cao, r any be impeached for?
How thick are you shooter?
Lets take Soros for example, he blatantly funds opponents all the time, so yes, they are out there.
As to impeachment, I said dependent upon the charge, but I see you skimmed right over the easiest means of removal, "Recall"!
Sorry, Solar, but Soros has considerably more money than I do.
As for 'recall'? That is for his constituents to decide. It certainly is not mine. Yours? Maybe so.
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 04:37:11 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 04:20:07 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 04:14:00 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 03:28:19 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 03:23:51 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 03:00:46 PM
Quote from: crepe05 on September 27, 2010, 02:55:30 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 02:12:34 PM
OK Crepe05, would you help us out and explain to us where you differ on the issues from Conservatives. From an issues standpoint, what makes you a RINO?
Until we all get a better handle on that one, it's hard to see how we can have a serious conversation.
Geeze, silly little ole me. I thought I was being quite serious.
I differ big time on the conservatives opinion and lack of use for the republicans who are more moderate than they. I believe I made that very clear. That's actually the big complaint that I have against conservatives, true or not. Also I hate that term "true conservative". It reeks of snobbishness and closed mindedness.
I want our party to be open to all citizens. I view conservatives as wanting to close the party to those who don't agree with them. I believe in the conservative political values. I don't believe in their treatment of those who don't believe as they do. That's when I get angry. Again I'll say that it's real anger, not "having a bad day anger". I think that conservatives need to get as many people as possible in their party, and as the people mature and grow older they become more conservative themselves. I was more liberal in my twenties and then I grew up. Not wanting moderates in the party is just insane from my viewpoint
It's not the party's issues, it's their pomposity as I see it..
crepe were asking for an actual example, not a vague description.
Let me give you an example of a RINO.
Republican, Joseph Cao, he was the only Pub to vote in favor of obama care.
Do you think he belongs in the Party?
I'm not Miss Crepe, but I will simply ask you this, Solar. Presuming he doesn't belong in the Party, HOW DO YOU REMOVE HIM?
By supporting his opponent monetarily.
Recall, or even impeachment, depending on the offense.
Any other questions?
Several. How many are wealthy enough to support the opponents of all he/she determines is a RINO. Not just Cao, but all.
Exactly what would Cao, r any be impeached for?
How thick are you shooter?
Lets take Soros for example, he blatantly funds opponents all the time, so yes, they are out there.
As to impeachment, I said dependent upon the charge, but I see you skimmed right over the easiest means of removal, "Recall"!
Sorry, Solar, but Soros has considerably more money than I do.
As for 'recall'? That is for his constituents to decide. It certainly is not mine. Yours? Maybe so.
Did I say otherwise?
I find it interesting for someone that has claimed to be a ardent Conservative, that railed against the Pubs losing their way, that you are suddenly taking the Devils advocacy position on the issue.
Are you, or are you not for cleaning up the party?
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 03:00:46 PM
Quote from: crepe05 on September 27, 2010, 02:55:30 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 02:12:34 PM
OK Crepe05, would you help us out and explain to us where you differ on the issues from Conservatives. From an issues standpoint, what makes you a RINO?
Until we all get a better handle on that one, it's hard to see how we can have a serious conversation.
Geeze, silly little ole me. I thought I was being quite serious.
I differ big time on the conservatives opinion and lack of use for the republicans who are more moderate than they. I believe I made that very clear. That's actually the big complaint that I have against conservatives, true or not. Also I hate that term "true conservative". It reeks of snobbishness and closed mindedness.
I want our party to be open to all citizens. I view conservatives as wanting to close the party to those who don't agree with them. I believe in the conservative political values. I don't believe in their treatment of those who don't believe as they do. That's when I get angry. Again I'll say that it's real anger, not "having a bad day anger". I think that conservatives need to get as many people as possible in their party, and as the people mature and grow older they become more conservative themselves. I was more liberal in my twenties and then I grew up. Not wanting moderates in the party is just insane from my viewpoint
It's not the party's issues, it's their pomposity as I see it..
crepe were asking for an actual example, not a vague description.
Let me give you an example of a RINO.
Republican, Joseph Cao, he was the only Pub to vote in favor of obama care.
Do you think he belongs in the Part
Yes, because he is a Republican in the city of New Orleans. He represents the poor blacks in that area. He was voting as his constituents wanted him to. The liberals are very liberal down there. Cao was trying to survive. He was the best of the lot for the Republicans.
My description wasn't vague. I said it was the pomposity of the conservatives. Pomposity is not a vague word and I don't use it lightly. I can put it in simpler words. Their poop doesn't stink but everyone elses does. I'm not being sarcastic. That's how I view the treatment of the so-called RINO by the true conservative. Geeze, even the "true' is pompous.
Quote from: crepe05 on September 27, 2010, 02:55:30 PM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 02:12:34 PM
OK Crepe05, would you help us out and explain to us where you differ on the issues from Conservatives. From an issues standpoint, what makes you a RINO?
Until we all get a better handle on that one, it's hard to see how we can have a serious conversation.
Geeze, silly little ole me. I thought I was being quite serious.
I differ big time on the conservatives opinion and lack of use for the republicans who are more moderate than they. I believe I made that very clear. That's actually the big complaint that I have against conservatives, true or not. Also I hate that term "true conservative". It reeks of snobbishness and closed mindedness.
I want our party to be open to all citizens. I view conservatives as wanting to close the party to those who don't agree with them. I believe in the conservative political values. I don't believe in their treatment of those who don't believe as they do. That's when I get angry. Again I'll say that it's real anger, not "having a bad day anger". I think that conservatives need to get as many people as possible in their party, and as the people mature and grow older they become more conservative themselves. I was more liberal in my twenties and then I grew up. Not wanting moderates in the party is just insane from my viewpoint
It's not the party's issues, it's their pomposity as I see it..
I think you're being a little unfair.
The Republican party's open to all citizens. If a committed Marxist wanted to join the Republican party I can assure you the membership committee won't raise any objections. As long as our little Marxist's check cleared he'd be in.
Things change a bit when you want to run for some representative position. I want to be represented by someone who, at least nominally, is representative of me. Someone with whom I have enough in the way of overlap of opinions that they're acceptable to me. That won't be a Marxist. If that seems exclusionary to you then I'm not sure where we can have a meeting of the minds.
I don't believe some critical percentage of under-represented views are necessary among elected officials to prove the tolerance and magnanimity of the Republican party. That's not the way a representative form of government works.
As to the rough handling that RINOs get on conservative web sites, all I can say is "toughen up". Beyond the mob mentality of trying to appear fiercer then though there are real grievences and those draw forth intemperate language. But they are, after all, just words which is what I'd say to moderates who return the favor with dismissals of, say Second Amendment activists, as barrel-heads.
The fact is, the country, heck, the human race, is moving to the right.
That means you can stay where you are, politically, and find yourself with a whole, new set of friends.
The political parties, to stay viable, to attract votes will adapt and that means moving with the public. So Arlen Spectre wasn't expelled from the Republican party and he was right that the Republican party had changed. But that change had rendered Spectre a fringe figure in the Republican party who rather then adapting to the changing circumstances had made marginalized himself by his refusal to do so.
Fine lets cut to the meat of the matter, I posted an entire thread explaining RINO.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/index.php?topic=42.0
read it through and you will see the point we are trying to make.
And yes, I do understand your point, and it is a valid one, but with that said, we merely get more of the same when we have too many liberals in the Party, that keep raising our debt beyond repayment.
I might add, you are the only one invoking "True" Conservative.
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 04:43:19 PM
Did I say otherwise?
I find it interesting for someone that has claimed to be a ardent Conservative, that railed against the Pubs losing their way, that you are suddenly taking the Devils advocacy position on the issue.
Are you, or are you not for cleaning up the party?
Truthfully, Solar, with all due respect, being a conservative is not synonymous with being a Republican. I truly believe the bane of this country has been the two party system, specifically the PUBS ( nee WHIGS ) and DIMS which have fallen so far from their Jeffersonian roots as to be unrecognizable. If both parties rolled over like dead armadillos tomorrow, it would be 160 years too late. I am not sure either party is worth saving, nor do I particularly care if either is saved. The problem is destroying one and not destroying the other, as well, will be a useless gesture.
Fifty years ago, I became a PUB, but managed to outgrow it about 5 years ago. 160 years ago, I would have been a Democrat and would have fought tooth and nail against the Yankee Blue Belly Republican bastards that wanted to destroy my hearth and home, kith and kin.
I know of no other way to put it mildly or kindly.
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 05:12:01 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 04:43:19 PM
Did I say otherwise?
I find it interesting for someone that has claimed to be a ardent Conservative, that railed against the Pubs losing their way, that you are suddenly taking the Devils advocacy position on the issue.
Are you, or are you not for cleaning up the party?
Truthfully, Solar, with all due respect, being a conservative is not synonymous with being a Republican. I truly believe the bane of this country has been the two party system, specifically the PUBS ( nee WHIGS ) and DIMS which have fallen so far from their Jeffersonian roots as to be unrecognizable. If both parties rolled over like dead armadillos tomorrow, it would be 160 years too late. I am not sure either party is worth saving, nor do I particularly care if either is saved. The problem is destroying one and not destroying the other, as well, will be a useless gesture.
Fifty years ago, I became a PUB, but managed to outgrow it about 5 years ago. 160 years ago, I would have been a Democrat and would have fought tooth and nail against the Yankee Blue Belly Republican bastards that wanted to destroy my hearth and home, kith and kin.
I know of no other way to put it mildly or kindly.
In other words, you have no voice?
Crepe05, please correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like your issue with conservatives is a matter of style and not substance. You seem to disagree more with how we say things than what we say. Do I have it right so far? If so, then please explain to me which conservatives on this board fit your generalizations of conservatives and please give specific examples. Also please explain why you spend more time attacking Republicans than literally anyone else on this board and less time attacking democrats than anyone on this board yet feel completely justified in faulting conservatives for doing those very same things. And for that matter, why would you come to a forum with conservative in it's name and devote nearly every thread towards insulting and judgmental generalizations against conservatives. It just seems odd.
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 05:15:49 PM
Crepe05, please correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like your issue with conservatives is a matter of style and not substance. You seem to disagree more with how we say things than what we say. Do I have it right so far? If so, then please explain to me which conservatives on this board fit your generalizations of conservatives and please give specific examples. Also please explain why you spend more time attacking Republicans than literally anyone else on this board and less time attacking democrats than anyone on this board yet feel completely justified in faulting conservatives for doing those very same things. And for that matter, why would you come to a forum with conservative in it's name and devote nearly every thread towards insulting and judgmental generalizations against conservatives. It just seems odd.
I don't think that's crepe...
Good point Solar. Who else on this forum has evoked the term true conservative other than Crepe05? So it's hard to see who is bothering her.
But OK, I'll bite. There is nothing better or worse about using the term "true conservative" than using a term like moderate or mainstream. And yes we use the term RINO, but they use terms like right wing and fringe to describe us. Where is Crepe05's angst when guys like Mike Castle or other establishment types say we are an unelectable fringe? Doesn't that smack of arrogance too?
I don't think it's the Crepe from LNF either taxed. That Crepe was more polite and had better constructed arguments. But it's most likely someone we know well. And everyone@s writing style leaves a signature. The more we get this person talking, the quicker the truth will come out.
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 05:13:54 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 05:12:01 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 04:43:19 PM
Did I say otherwise?
I find it interesting for someone that has claimed to be a ardent Conservative, that railed against the Pubs losing their way, that you are suddenly taking the Devils advocacy position on the issue.
Are you, or are you not for cleaning up the party?
Truthfully, Solar, with all due respect, being a conservative is not synonymous with being a Republican. I truly believe the bane of this country has been the two party system, specifically the PUBS ( nee WHIGS ) and DIMS which have fallen so far from their Jeffersonian roots as to be unrecognizable. If both parties rolled over like dead armadillos tomorrow, it would be 160 years too late. I am not sure either party is worth saving, nor do I particularly care if either is saved. The problem is destroying one and not destroying the other, as well, will be a useless gesture.
Fifty years ago, I became a PUB, but managed to outgrow it about 5 years ago. 160 years ago, I would have been a Democrat and would have fought tooth and nail against the Yankee Blue Belly Republican bastards that wanted to destroy my hearth and home, kith and kin.
I know of no other way to put it mildly or kindly.
In other words, you have no voice?
In other words, that is not what I said, but if it makes you feel better to characterize what I said in such a manner, go for it.
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 05:45:09 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 05:13:54 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 05:12:01 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 04:43:19 PM
Did I say otherwise?
I find it interesting for someone that has claimed to be a ardent Conservative, that railed against the Pubs losing their way, that you are suddenly taking the Devils advocacy position on the issue.
Are you, or are you not for cleaning up the party?
Truthfully, Solar, with all due respect, being a conservative is not synonymous with being a Republican. I truly believe the bane of this country has been the two party system, specifically the PUBS ( nee WHIGS ) and DIMS which have fallen so far from their Jeffersonian roots as to be unrecognizable. If both parties rolled over like dead armadillos tomorrow, it would be 160 years too late. I am not sure either party is worth saving, nor do I particularly care if either is saved. The problem is destroying one and not destroying the other, as well, will be a useless gesture.
Fifty years ago, I became a PUB, but managed to outgrow it about 5 years ago. 160 years ago, I would have been a Democrat and would have fought tooth and nail against the Yankee Blue Belly Republican bastards that wanted to destroy my hearth and home, kith and kin.
I know of no other way to put it mildly or kindly.
In other words, you have no voice?
In other words, that is not what I said, but if it makes you feel better to characterize what I said in such a manner, go for it.
I didn't say it, your post did.
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 07:16:56 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 05:45:09 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 05:13:54 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 05:12:01 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 04:43:19 PM
Did I say otherwise?
I find it interesting for someone that has claimed to be a ardent Conservative, that railed against the Pubs losing their way, that you are suddenly taking the Devils advocacy position on the issue.
Are you, or are you not for cleaning up the party?
Truthfully, Solar, with all due respect, being a conservative is not synonymous with being a Republican. I truly believe the bane of this country has been the two party system, specifically the PUBS ( nee WHIGS ) and DIMS which have fallen so far from their Jeffersonian roots as to be unrecognizable. If both parties rolled over like dead armadillos tomorrow, it would be 160 years too late. I am not sure either party is worth saving, nor do I particularly care if either is saved. The problem is destroying one and not destroying the other, as well, will be a useless gesture.
Fifty years ago, I became a PUB, but managed to outgrow it about 5 years ago. 160 years ago, I would have been a Democrat and would have fought tooth and nail against the Yankee Blue Belly Republican bastards that wanted to destroy my hearth and home, kith and kin.
I know of no other way to put it mildly or kindly.
In other words, you have no voice?
In other words, that is not what I said, but if it makes you feel better to characterize what I said in such a manner, go for it.
I didn't say it, your post did.
Your welcomed to your opinion.
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 05:15:49 PM
Crepe05, please correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like your issue with conservatives is a matter of style and not substance. You seem to disagree more with how we say things than what we say. Do I have it right so far? If so, then please explain to me which conservatives on this board fit your generalizations of conservatives and please give specific examples. Also please explain why you spend more time attacking Republicans than literally anyone else on this board and less time attacking democrats than anyone on this board yet feel completely justified in faulting conservatives for doing those very same things. And for that matter, why would you come to a forum with conservative in it's name and devote nearly every thread towards insulting and judgmental generalizations against conservatives. It just seems odd.
Here's what I'll say one more time. I've gone off on this board against Conservatives who knock RINOS. I don't understand the mind-set that wants to attack its own so close to an election. If I've focused on that a lot (which I hadn't realized) it's probably because no one is willing to tell me why it's done.
You are wrong in that it's "how" you (the generic you, not the you you) say it, it's what you're saying about RINOs. Do you have a right to say it? Yes. Do I have a right to disagree? I thought "yes", but I'm not sure about that any more. I came to a board with the name Conservative in it because I thought it would be interesting. It has been.
Am I welcome to stay and be me, or should I leave? That much is your call. I don't have a problem with conservatives. As someone on this board said, I am one. I just think RINOs should be allowed to apply. I used to be a RINO and changed because I listened to the Conservatives.
Quote from: arpad on September 27, 2010, 04:57:20 PM
Quote from: crepe05 on September 27, 2010, 02:55:30 PM
[quote author=Dan link=topic=38.msg524#msg524 date=128562195
I think you're being a little unfair.
The Republican party's open to all citizens. If a committed Marxist wanted to join the Republican party I can assure you the membership committee won't raise any objections. As long as our little Marxist's check cleared he'd be in.
Things change a bit when you want to run for some representative position. I want to be represented by someone who, at least nominally, is representative of me. Someone with whom I have enough in the way of overlap of opinions that they're acceptable to me. That won't be a Marxist. If that seems exclusionary to you then I'm not sure where we can have a meeting of the minds.
I don't believe some critical percentage of under-represented views are necessary among elected officials to prove the tolerance and magnanimity of the Republican party. That's not the way a representative form of government works.
As to the rough handling that RINOs get on conservative web sites, all I can say is "toughen up". Beyond the mob mentality of trying to appear fiercer then though there are real grievences and those draw forth intemperate language. But they are, after all, just words which is what I'd say to moderates who return the favor with dismissals of, say Second Amendment activists, as barrel-heads.
The fact is, the country, heck, the human race, is moving to the right.
That means you can stay where you are, politically, and find yourself with a whole, new set of friends.
The political parties, to stay viable, to attract votes will adapt and that means moving with the public. So Arlen Spectre wasn't expelled from the Republican party and he was right that the Republican party had changed. But that change had rendered Spectre a fringe figure in the Republican party who rather then adapting to the changing circumstances had made marginalized himself by his refusal to do so.
Once again, I'll say that I believe in the conservative set of political values. My beef was with the intolerance shown toward less conservative members of the Rep party. I don't see that I need to "toughen up". It sounds to me like I'm being told to not be so tough. If criticism of Conservative attitudes isn't allowed on a conservative board, then what's the point? Ye gads, take on the dems, not other Republicans.
FYI, I'm a great believer in the Second Amendment. I own a gun. I can shoot the durn the thing. If someone wants to take it from me it will be out of my cold, dead hands.
I have no idea why the Marxist remark was thrown in.
Quote from: crepe05 on September 28, 2010, 03:04:50 AM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 05:15:49 PM
Crepe05, please correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like your issue with conservatives is a matter of style and not substance. You seem to disagree more with how we say things than what we say. Do I have it right so far? If so, then please explain to me which conservatives on this board fit your generalizations of conservatives and please give specific examples. Also please explain why you spend more time attacking Republicans than literally anyone else on this board and less time attacking democrats than anyone on this board yet feel completely justified in faulting conservatives for doing those very same things. And for that matter, why would you come to a forum with conservative in it's name and devote nearly every thread towards insulting and judgmental generalizations against conservatives. It just seems odd.
Here's what I'll say one more time. I've gone off on this board against Conservatives who knock RINOS. I don't understand the mind-set that wants to attack its own so close to an election. If I've focused on that a lot (which I hadn't realized) it's probably because no one is willing to tell me why it's done.
You are wrong in that it's "how" you (the generic you, not the you you) say it, it's what you're saying about RINOs. Do you have a right to say it? Yes. Do I have a right to disagree? I thought "yes", but I'm not sure about that any more. I came to a board with the name Conservative in it because I thought it would be interesting. It has been.
Am I welcome to stay and be me, or should I leave? That much is your call. I don't have a problem with conservatives. As someone on this board said, I am one. I just think RINOs should be allowed to apply. I used to be a RINO and changed because I listened to the Conservatives.
You ask why we don't attack Dims, then ask why we attack RINO in the Pub party.
You do realize the majority of RINO in the party are Dim?
So in a sense we are outright attacking Dims in both parties.
Again, I gave you an entire thread explaining RINO, and you ignore it all together, is there a reason for that?
Solar, I thought I responded to the RINO thread before I started this one. In fact, that's what got me started on this thread. I decided this was the way to respond. It looks like I was wrong about that. Geeze, all I wanted to do was point out what direction I see the Conservatives moving five weeks prior to the election. I didn't mean to start a firestorm. I was concerned that your thread would be hijacked by what I said, so I opened my own thread, which I rarely do.
If conservatives don't see themselves in the roll that I've noticed, then that's fine. I'm sure I don't see myself as a lot of you probably do right now. We're both right and we're both wrong, but one thing I know is that we're all in the same political boat and the same political party. Our oars just aren't quite synchronized.
I'm not a dem. No one needs to make excuses for me, and I won't make excuses for them. I'm just me, very passionate about my politics and my belief that the Rep Party be inclusive. The leaders will reach the top through persuasion. Also, I'm very verbal. ;D
Quote from: crepe05 on September 28, 2010, 07:23:22 AM
Solar, I thought I responded to the RINO thread before I started this one. In fact, that's what got me started on this thread. I decided this was the way to respond. It looks like I was wrong about that. Geeze, all I wanted to do was point out what direction I see the Conservatives moving five weeks prior to the election. I didn't mean to start a firestorm. I was concerned that your thread would be hijacked by what I said, so I opened my own thread, which I rarely do.
If conservatives don't see themselves in the roll that I've noticed, then that's fine. I'm sure I don't see myself as a lot of you probably do right now. We're both right and we're both wrong, but one thing I know is that we're all in the same political boat and the same political party. Our oars just aren't quite synchronized.
I'm not a dem. No one needs to make excuses for me, and I won't make excuses for them. I'm just me, very passionate about my politics and my belief that the Rep Party be inclusive. The leaders will reach the top through persuasion. Also, I'm very verbal. ;D
No, this thread.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/index.php?topic=42.0
Oh and sorry I missed your part of your post, so to answer your question.
NO You May Not Leave!!!
I would close this forum if we all agreed, nothing is more boring than a group sitting around agreeing.
I appreciate your strong will, that in itself makes you a valued member. 8)
Thank you. Now I'll do the girly thing for the first time on any board and shed a few tears. I'm heck on wheels during an argument, but give me praise afterwards, and I'm a leaking mess.
I will then go to that thread you listed.