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Dan

Crepe05, please correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like your issue with conservatives is a matter of style and not substance. You seem to disagree more with how we say things than what we say. Do I have it right so far? If so, then please explain to me which conservatives on this board fit your generalizations of conservatives and please give specific examples. Also please explain why you spend more time attacking Republicans than literally anyone else on this board and less time attacking democrats than anyone on this board yet feel completely justified in faulting conservatives for doing those very same things. And for that matter, why would you come to a forum with conservative in it's name and devote nearly every thread towards insulting and judgmental generalizations against conservatives. It just seems odd.
If you believe big government is the solution then you are a liberal. If you believe big government is the problem then you are a conservative.

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Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 05:15:49 PM
Crepe05, please correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like your issue with conservatives is a matter of style and not substance. You seem to disagree more with how we say things than what we say. Do I have it right so far? If so, then please explain to me which conservatives on this board fit your generalizations of conservatives and please give specific examples. Also please explain why you spend more time attacking Republicans than literally anyone else on this board and less time attacking democrats than anyone on this board yet feel completely justified in faulting conservatives for doing those very same things. And for that matter, why would you come to a forum with conservative in it's name and devote nearly every thread towards insulting and judgmental generalizations against conservatives. It just seems odd.

I don't think that's crepe...
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Dan

Good point Solar. Who else on this forum has evoked the term true conservative other than Crepe05? So it's hard to see who is bothering her.

But OK, I'll bite. There is nothing better or worse about using the term "true conservative" than using a term like moderate or mainstream. And yes we use the term RINO, but they use terms like right wing and fringe to describe us. Where is Crepe05's angst when guys like Mike Castle or other establishment types say we are an unelectable fringe? Doesn't that smack of arrogance too?
If you believe big government is the solution then you are a liberal. If you believe big government is the problem then you are a conservative.

Dan

I don't think it's the Crepe from LNF either taxed. That Crepe was more polite and had better constructed arguments. But it's most likely someone we know well. And everyone@s writing style leaves a signature. The more we get this person talking, the quicker the truth will come out.
If you believe big government is the solution then you are a liberal. If you believe big government is the problem then you are a conservative.

Shooterman

Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 05:13:54 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 05:12:01 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 04:43:19 PM

Did I say otherwise?

I find it interesting for someone that has claimed to be a ardent Conservative, that railed against the Pubs losing their way, that you are suddenly taking the Devils advocacy position on the issue.

Are you, or are you not for cleaning up the party?

Truthfully, Solar, with all due respect, being a conservative is not synonymous with being a Republican. I truly believe the bane of this country has been the two party system, specifically the PUBS ( nee WHIGS ) and DIMS which have fallen so far from their Jeffersonian roots as to be unrecognizable. If both parties rolled over like dead armadillos tomorrow, it would be 160 years too late. I am not sure either party is worth saving, nor do I particularly care if either is saved. The problem is destroying one and not destroying the other, as well, will be a useless gesture.

Fifty years ago, I became a PUB, but managed to outgrow it about 5 years ago. 160 years ago, I would have been a Democrat and would have fought tooth and nail against the Yankee Blue Belly Republican bastards that wanted to destroy my hearth and home, kith and kin.

I know of no other way to put it mildly or kindly.
In other words, you have no voice?

In other words, that is not what I said, but if it makes you feel better to characterize what I said in such a manner, go for it.
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Solar

Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 05:45:09 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 05:13:54 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 05:12:01 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 04:43:19 PM

Did I say otherwise?

I find it interesting for someone that has claimed to be a ardent Conservative, that railed against the Pubs losing their way, that you are suddenly taking the Devils advocacy position on the issue.

Are you, or are you not for cleaning up the party?

Truthfully, Solar, with all due respect, being a conservative is not synonymous with being a Republican. I truly believe the bane of this country has been the two party system, specifically the PUBS ( nee WHIGS ) and DIMS which have fallen so far from their Jeffersonian roots as to be unrecognizable. If both parties rolled over like dead armadillos tomorrow, it would be 160 years too late. I am not sure either party is worth saving, nor do I particularly care if either is saved. The problem is destroying one and not destroying the other, as well, will be a useless gesture.

Fifty years ago, I became a PUB, but managed to outgrow it about 5 years ago. 160 years ago, I would have been a Democrat and would have fought tooth and nail against the Yankee Blue Belly Republican bastards that wanted to destroy my hearth and home, kith and kin.

I know of no other way to put it mildly or kindly.
In other words, you have no voice?

In other words, that is not what I said, but if it makes you feel better to characterize what I said in such a manner, go for it.
I didn't say it, your post did.
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Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 07:16:56 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 05:45:09 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 05:13:54 PM
Quote from: Shooterman on September 27, 2010, 05:12:01 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 27, 2010, 04:43:19 PM

Did I say otherwise?

I find it interesting for someone that has claimed to be a ardent Conservative, that railed against the Pubs losing their way, that you are suddenly taking the Devils advocacy position on the issue.

Are you, or are you not for cleaning up the party?

Truthfully, Solar, with all due respect, being a conservative is not synonymous with being a Republican. I truly believe the bane of this country has been the two party system, specifically the PUBS ( nee WHIGS ) and DIMS which have fallen so far from their Jeffersonian roots as to be unrecognizable. If both parties rolled over like dead armadillos tomorrow, it would be 160 years too late. I am not sure either party is worth saving, nor do I particularly care if either is saved. The problem is destroying one and not destroying the other, as well, will be a useless gesture.

Fifty years ago, I became a PUB, but managed to outgrow it about 5 years ago. 160 years ago, I would have been a Democrat and would have fought tooth and nail against the Yankee Blue Belly Republican bastards that wanted to destroy my hearth and home, kith and kin.

I know of no other way to put it mildly or kindly.
In other words, you have no voice?

In other words, that is not what I said, but if it makes you feel better to characterize what I said in such a manner, go for it.
I didn't say it, your post did.

Your welcomed to your opinion.
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crepe05

Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 05:15:49 PM
Crepe05, please correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like your issue with conservatives is a matter of style and not substance. You seem to disagree more with how we say things than what we say. Do I have it right so far? If so, then please explain to me which conservatives on this board fit your generalizations of conservatives and please give specific examples. Also please explain why you spend more time attacking Republicans than literally anyone else on this board and less time attacking democrats than anyone on this board yet feel completely justified in faulting conservatives for doing those very same things. And for that matter, why would you come to a forum with conservative in it's name and devote nearly every thread towards insulting and judgmental generalizations against conservatives. It just seems odd.

Here's what I'll say one more time.  I've gone off on this board against Conservatives who knock RINOS.  I don't understand the mind-set that wants to attack its own so close to an election.  If I've focused on that a lot (which I hadn't realized) it's probably because no one is willing to tell me  why it's done. 

You are wrong in that it's "how" you (the generic you, not the you you) say it, it's what you're saying about RINOs.  Do you have a right to say it?  Yes.  Do I have a right to disagree?  I thought "yes", but I'm not sure about that any more.  I came to a board with the name Conservative in it because I thought it would be interesting.  It has been.

Am I welcome to stay and be me, or should I leave?  That much is your call.  I don't have a problem with conservatives.  As someone on this board said, I am one.  I just think RINOs should be allowed to apply.  I used to be a RINO and changed because I listened to the Conservatives. 



crepe05

Quote from: arpad on September 27, 2010, 04:57:20 PM
Quote from: crepe05 on September 27, 2010, 02:55:30 PM
[quote author=Dan link=topic=38.msg524#msg524 date=128562195

I think you're being a little unfair.

The Republican party's open to all citizens. If a committed Marxist wanted to join the Republican party I can assure you the membership committee won't raise any objections. As long as our little Marxist's check cleared he'd be in.

Things change a bit when you want to run for some representative position. I want to be represented by someone who, at least nominally, is representative of me. Someone with whom I have enough in the way of overlap of opinions that they're acceptable to me. That won't be a Marxist. If that seems exclusionary to you then I'm not sure where we can have a meeting of the minds.

I don't believe some critical percentage of under-represented views are necessary among elected officials to prove the tolerance and magnanimity of the Republican party. That's not the way a representative form of government works.

As to the rough handling that RINOs get on conservative web sites, all I can say is "toughen up". Beyond the mob mentality of trying to appear fiercer then though there are real grievences and those draw forth intemperate language. But they are, after all, just words which is what I'd say to moderates who return the favor with dismissals of, say Second Amendment activists, as barrel-heads.

The fact is, the country, heck, the human race, is moving to the right.

That means you can stay where you are, politically, and find yourself with a whole, new set of friends.

The political parties, to stay viable, to attract votes will adapt and that means moving with the public. So Arlen Spectre wasn't expelled from the Republican party and he was right that the Republican party had changed. But that change had rendered Spectre a fringe figure in the Republican party who rather then adapting to the changing circumstances had made marginalized himself by his refusal to do so.

Once again, I'll say that I believe in the conservative set of political values.  My beef was with the intolerance shown toward less conservative members of the Rep party.  I don't see that I need to "toughen up".  It sounds to me like I'm being told to not be so tough.  If criticism of Conservative attitudes isn't allowed on a conservative board, then what's the point?  Ye gads, take on the dems, not other Republicans. 

FYI, I'm a great believer in the Second Amendment.  I own a gun.  I can shoot the durn the thing.  If someone wants to take it from me it will be out of my cold, dead hands. 

I have no idea why the Marxist remark was thrown in.

Solar

Quote from: crepe05 on September 28, 2010, 03:04:50 AM
Quote from: Dan on September 27, 2010, 05:15:49 PM
Crepe05, please correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like your issue with conservatives is a matter of style and not substance. You seem to disagree more with how we say things than what we say. Do I have it right so far? If so, then please explain to me which conservatives on this board fit your generalizations of conservatives and please give specific examples. Also please explain why you spend more time attacking Republicans than literally anyone else on this board and less time attacking democrats than anyone on this board yet feel completely justified in faulting conservatives for doing those very same things. And for that matter, why would you come to a forum with conservative in it's name and devote nearly every thread towards insulting and judgmental generalizations against conservatives. It just seems odd.

Here's what I'll say one more time.  I've gone off on this board against Conservatives who knock RINOS.  I don't understand the mind-set that wants to attack its own so close to an election.  If I've focused on that a lot (which I hadn't realized) it's probably because no one is willing to tell me  why it's done. 

You are wrong in that it's "how" you (the generic you, not the you you) say it, it's what you're saying about RINOs.  Do you have a right to say it?  Yes.  Do I have a right to disagree?  I thought "yes", but I'm not sure about that any more.  I came to a board with the name Conservative in it because I thought it would be interesting.  It has been.

Am I welcome to stay and be me, or should I leave?  That much is your call.  I don't have a problem with conservatives.  As someone on this board said, I am one.  I just think RINOs should be allowed to apply.  I used to be a RINO and changed because I listened to the Conservatives.
You ask why we don't attack Dims, then ask why we attack RINO in the Pub party.
You do realize the majority of RINO in the party are Dim?

So in a sense we are outright attacking Dims in both parties.

Again, I gave you an entire thread explaining RINO, and you ignore it all together, is there a reason for that?
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Solar,  I thought I responded to the RINO thread before I started this one.   In fact, that's what got me started on this thread.   I decided this was the way to respond.  It looks like I was wrong about that.  Geeze, all I wanted to do was point out what direction I see the Conservatives moving five weeks prior to the election.  I didn't mean to start a firestorm.  I was concerned that your thread would be hijacked by what I said, so I opened my own thread, which I rarely do.

If conservatives don't see themselves in the roll that I've noticed, then that's fine.  I'm sure I don't see myself as a lot of you probably do right now.  We're both right and we're both wrong, but one thing I know is that we're all in the same political boat and the same political party.  Our oars just aren't quite synchronized.

I'm not a dem.  No one needs to make excuses for me, and I won't make excuses for them.  I'm just me, very passionate about my politics and my belief that the Rep Party be inclusive.  The leaders will reach the top through persuasion.  Also, I'm very verbal.   ;D

Solar

Quote from: crepe05 on September 28, 2010, 07:23:22 AM
Solar,  I thought I responded to the RINO thread before I started this one.   In fact, that's what got me started on this thread.   I decided this was the way to respond.  It looks like I was wrong about that.  Geeze, all I wanted to do was point out what direction I see the Conservatives moving five weeks prior to the election.  I didn't mean to start a firestorm.  I was concerned that your thread would be hijacked by what I said, so I opened my own thread, which I rarely do.

If conservatives don't see themselves in the roll that I've noticed, then that's fine.  I'm sure I don't see myself as a lot of you probably do right now.  We're both right and we're both wrong, but one thing I know is that we're all in the same political boat and the same political party.  Our oars just aren't quite synchronized.

I'm not a dem.  No one needs to make excuses for me, and I won't make excuses for them.  I'm just me, very passionate about my politics and my belief that the Rep Party be inclusive.  The leaders will reach the top through persuasion.  Also, I'm very verbal.   ;D
No, this thread.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/index.php?topic=42.0
Oh and sorry I missed your part of your post, so to answer your question.

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crepe05

Thank you.  Now I'll do the girly thing for the first time on any board and shed a few tears.  I'm heck on wheels during an argument, but give me praise afterwards, and I'm a leaking mess. 

I will then go to that thread you listed.