Will/can the House fight to repeal Obamacare again? Or is it most definitely going to happen in 2014?
Quote from: Repub106 on November 10, 2012, 12:04:07 PM
Will/can the House fight to repeal Obamacare again? Or is it most definitely going to happen in 2014?
Any attempt to repeal Obamacare will be stopped cold in the Senate by Harry "Whorehouse" Reid.
Besides, our linguine spined Speaker of the House doesn't have to guts to do it. All he does it orchestrate meaningless votes on it!
They already did. It doesn't matter if the Senate won't go along with it and Obama will veto it. MAYBE the state (some anyway) will neutralize it in a few states.
QuoteThe U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday voted to repeal President Barack Obama's health care law, a largely symbolic move that has virtually no chance of moving forward.
Five Democrats crossed the aisle to join 239 Republicans in voting to overturn the Affordable Care Act: Rep. Mike Ross (Ark.), Reps. Mike McIntyre and Larry Kissell of North Carolina, Rep. Dan Boren (Okla.) and Rep. Jim Matheson (Utah). Not a single Republican voted to keep the law. The final vote count was 244 to 185. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/house-votes-to-repeal-obamacare/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/house-votes-to-repeal-obamacare/)
Quote from: Repub106 on November 10, 2012, 12:04:07 PM
Will/can the House fight to repeal Obamacare again? Or is it most definitely going to happen in 2014?
It's a done deal. There is no more fighting it. President Romney would have repealed it. That opportunity is gone.
http://www.healthcare.gov/law/timeline/ (http://www.healthcare.gov/law/timeline/)
Nope. The only way we get rid of it is when it completely falls apart which it will...
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 10, 2012, 12:19:30 PM
Nope. The only way we get rid of it is when it completely falls apart which it will...
The house does not have to fund it when it is needed. They always go back for more.
Quote from: walkstall on November 10, 2012, 12:36:20 PM
The house does not have to fund it when it is needed. They always go back for more.
Good point but will they stand strong against the "The GOP is trying to take away your health care" screams...
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 10, 2012, 12:38:45 PM
Good point but will they stand strong against the "The GOP is trying to take away your health care" screams...
NOT with the RINOs we have in the House now.
The best hope seems to be the REPUBLICAN Governors, they might band together and refuse it in their respective states, I understand Fla is making this noise even though Obamao "won".
Billy
No chance at all, huh? :/ I figured.
It just concerns me a lot because I am currently in nursing school and I don't know how this affect my future profession. I'm a first year student.
So are states required to accept the bill once it passes? Or can they reject it? I'm from PA, democratic state, so I don't see that happening anyway...
Quote from: Repub106 on November 10, 2012, 01:01:21 PM
No chance at all, huh? :/ I figured.
It just concerns me a lot because I am currently in nursing school and I don't know how this affect my future profession. I'm a first year student.
So are states required to accept the bill once it passes? Or can they reject it? I'm from PA, democratic state, so I don't see that happening anyway...
Good RN will always be need. Your just starting to see the baby boomer come on line. The problem will be will we have the doctor for what is coming down the line. If not you will be need even more.
I also see more RN becoming Medical practitioners.
The individual states can neuter Obamacare and they should. Truth be told, Obama never wanted Obamacare, this is not the endgame. Obamacare is a stopgap before a single payer system which is what the left wants. Obamacare needs to fail, in fact, it is destined to fail and I think Obama himself knows this. It's failure will be used as a pretext to legitimize the induction of a socialized system like the NHS in Britain. What's key here is that Obamacare must fail while Republicans have enough control to prevent a socialized system from being installed in its place.
That's why business are moving to a part-time work force. Those employees will be forced into the government program. It'll be over in 5 years.
Quote from: Repub106 on November 10, 2012, 01:01:21 PM
No chance at all, huh? :/ I figured.
It just concerns me a lot because I am currently in nursing school and I don't know how this affect my future profession. I'm a first year student.
So are states required to accept the bill once it passes? Or can they reject it? I'm from PA, democratic state, so I don't see that happening anyway...
That is actually an excellent career choice. Obama has promised to provide healthcare to 30 million that are currently uninsured. Baby boomers are just beginning to need care. They will continue to age and require more healthcare.
You should be good to go. Stick with it. This field is going to need workers, with or without Obamacare.
Thanks for the support in my nursing decision. Many of my peers in school are majorly concerned about Obamacare because we are unsure of its effects on the nursing profession. But I'm glad to hear that prospects will still be good. That is relieving.
My goal is to become a nurse practitioner and I am concerned for this because I know in some regions, NPs has to collaborate with a physician. To my knowledge, Obamacare will increase the physician shortage.
I don't graduate with my RN until 2016, the end of his term, but Obamacare may (or may not) still be in play at that time.
For those of you who are saying i will fail, can you tell me a little more about that? What would happen if the plan fails?
Quote from: Repub106 on November 10, 2012, 02:33:47 PM
Thanks for the support in my nursing decision. Many of my peers in school are majorly concerned about Obamacare because we are unsure of its effects on the nursing profession. But I'm glad to hear that prospects will still be good. That is relieving.
My goal is to become a nurse practitioner and I am concerned for this because I know in some regions, NPs has to collaborate with a physician. To my knowledge, Obamacare will increase the physician shortage.
I don't graduate with my RN until 2016, the end of his term, but Obamacare may (or may not) still be in play at that time.
For those of you who are saying i will fail, can you tell me a little more about that? What would happen if the plan fails?
As I remember there are different level of nurse practitioner. Most M D physician that I know of collaborate with specialist even in this day and age.
If it fails, you should be able to see a Doctor with in a week. If not it may take 1 to 2 months to see a Doctor and a specialist even longer. You can not put that many people on all at once and not have problems. It will take you until 2016 just to be a RN, how long will it take a Doctor to get out of school. You can not dump all this on something we don't have, there not a enough to go around even now.
Quote from: walkstall on November 10, 2012, 03:29:53 PM
As I remember there are different level of nurse practitioner. Most M D physician that I know of collaborate with specialist even in this day and age.
If it fails, you should be able to see a Doctor with in a week. If not it may take 1 to 2 months to see a Doctor and a specialist even longer. You can not put that many people on all at once and not have problems. It will take you until 2016 just to be a RN, how long will it take a Doctor to get out of school. You can not dump all this on something we don't have, there not a enough to go around even now.
There are different areas of specialty and experience plays a big factor. Nurses and Nurse practitioners have a lot of options and opportunities.
I understand that the bill will increase patient load to an already decreasing healthcare staff. There won't be enough providers for the number of patients. What I'm wondering is what does it mean for the plan to "fail?" Will Obama and Congress still implement the bill if they acknowledge its failure? Or is the bill set in stone for a certain period of time?
Also, once Obama is out of office, will the bill be difficult for the next president to get rid, if he so wishes? Will whatever damage it causes be reversible?
Sorry for the questions. I'm only 19 and I only know so much about politics at my age. haha.
Quote from: Repub106 on November 10, 2012, 06:06:38 PM
There are different areas of specialty and experience plays a big factor. Nurses and Nurse practitioners have a lot of options and opportunities.
I understand that the bill will increase patient load to an already decreasing healthcare staff. There won't be enough providers for the number of patients. What I'm wondering is what does it mean for the plan to "fail?" Will Obama and Congress still implement the bill if they acknowledge its failure? Or is the bill set in stone for a certain period of time?
Also, once Obama is out of office, will the bill be difficult for the next president to get rid, if he so wishes? Will whatever damage it causes be reversible?
Sorry for the questions. I'm only 19 and I only know so much about politics at my age. haha.
It is a pleasure to meet a 19 year old that does not know everything.
Only time will tell what and how much damage there will be. For a person my age the damage has started and I dont see it reversible in my life time.
I now pay 4.000$ more a year then just two years ago. I Pay over 50% of my Rx's now. Four years ago I payed only 10% of my Rx's. The younger people may know more (40 to 64) years of age, there the people that are not retired.
Quote from: walkstall on November 10, 2012, 06:34:20 PM
It is a pleasure to meet a 19 year old that does not know everything.
Only time will tell what and how much damage there will be. For a person my age the damage has started and I dont see it reversible in my life time.
I now pay 4.000$ more a year then just two years ago. I Pay over 50% of my Rx's now. Four years ago I payed only 10% of my Rx's. The younger people may know more (40 to 64) years of age, there the people that are not retired.
Thank you!
Wow, that's an insane increase. I don't know how people can think we are better off now than we were 4 years ago. It is just scary.
Quote from: Repub106 on November 10, 2012, 06:06:38 PM
There are different areas of specialty and experience plays a big factor. Nurses and Nurse practitioners have a lot of options and opportunities.
I understand that the bill will increase patient load to an already decreasing healthcare staff. There won't be enough providers for the number of patients. What I'm wondering is what does it mean for the plan to "fail?" Will Obama and Congress still implement the bill if they acknowledge its failure? Or is the bill set in stone for a certain period of time?
Also, once Obama is out of office, will the bill be difficult for the next president to get rid, if he so wishes? Will whatever damage it causes be reversible?
Sorry for the questions. I'm only 19 and I only know so much about politics at my age. haha.
None of us understand Obamacare. It's not going away. By 2016, it's tentacles will be so entwined in our lives that getting rid of it probably won't be an option.
Don't put too much worry into the politics. You're 19 and making some good choices. Knowledge will always earn you money. Get your RN certificate, and keep on studying if you can. Physical therapy, radiology, elder care.............there are almost an unlimited amount of things you can learn. The more you know, the more valuable you will be. It won't matter who's running healthcare. People like you will be in demand.
Quote from: kramarat on November 10, 2012, 06:38:15 PM
None of us understand Obamacare. It's not going away. By 2016, it's tentacles will be so entwined in our lives that getting rid of it probably won't be an option.
Don't put too much worry into the politics. You're 19 and making some good choices. Knowledge will always earn you money. Get your RN certificate, and keep on studying if you can. Physical therapy, radiology, elder care.............there are almost an unlimited amount of things you can learn. The more you know, the more valuable you will be. It won't matter who's running healthcare. People like you will be in demand.
Thank you so much. ^ That means a lot that you say that. That concern will always be there, though. But you're right, I need to focus on what's most important. But I do think it is important to be aware of this and the effects it can have. That's why I came here. But you all did a great job at answering my questions. I greatly appreciate it!