Haha!!

Back to the subject of this thread...

Did anyone mention Obama will be elected due to the passing of Obamacare?

Here is a link to a youtube vid of Obozo admitting he wanted higher energy costs back in 2008! Once you are on youtube, you may click on other links and hear more Obozo admitting he wants higher fuel prices, etc...

Barack Obama Admits: Energy Prices Will Skyrocket Under Cap And Trade

He just cant be beat in 2012, I tell you all! (Did you hear that sarcastic tone of mine thru mental telepathy?)

GREAT JOBS REPORT NEWS from Gallup!

http://www.gallup.com/poll/146453/Gallup-Finds-Unemployment-Hitting-February.aspx

@ 10.3% unemployment for February... He is doing so well, I tell you!

Quote from: U_Kay on March 01, 2011, 09:12:13 AM
Haha @ Josie! I had a wine and see how I botched up my first post in this thread?  :))  I keep telling you people I dont waste time on proofing.  :P  I suppose I need a secretary when I have had a glass of wine... and when I havent!

 
Dang, Quiller, you're smart! How come I didnt think of that?

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I know there has to be some other really good reasons why Obama will win re-election! I am all ears~

Well, the fact that Obama has thus far handed unions everything they want, and that mainstream media are overwhelmingly unionized, has SOMETHING to do with it.

The unions will exhaust their campaign stockpiles trying to get the Kenyan reelected, but with the anti-public-union sentiment now very strong in the U.S., that could be wasted cash.

People aren't stupid. Obama has talked a big game but got his ass handed to him in 2010 and the number of state governments swinging to GOP (and the number of federal billets ABOUT to go GOP in 2012) all count against Obama.

It's up to sycophants like Tingles Matthews or that barking mad loon Olbermann to convince America that Obama can be trusted, when he can't even tell us the truth about where he was actually born.

Quote from: quiller on March 03, 2011, 12:20:13 PM
Well, the fact that Obama has thus far handed unions everything they want, and that mainstream media are overwhelmingly unionized, has SOMETHING to do with it.

The unions will exhaust their campaign stockpiles trying to get the Kenyan reelected, but with the anti-public-union sentiment now very strong in the U.S., that could be wasted cash.

People aren't stupid. Obama has talked a big game but got his ass handed to him in 2010 and the number of state governments swinging to GOP (and the number of federal billets ABOUT to go GOP in 2012) all count against Obama.

It's up to sycophants like Tingles Matthews or that barking mad loon Olbermann to convince America that Obama can be trusted, when he can't even tell us the truth about where he was actually born.

A quick question for you~ What do you mean by "federal billets"?

Yeah, it was fun watching him and his party get slaughtered in Nov 2010! I want it to happen in 2012 too.

I doubt seriously the mainstream media will be taken seriously this next go around. Someone in this forum stated a day or so ago that the next election will be a referendum against Obama and the MSM. I totally agree.

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Look at Drudgereport.com

The first several headlines are depressing... The decline of the US dollar... Time Mags article USA is in decline... Gasoline costing more at the pump and more negative articles cited .

It is gloom and doom type of stuff. What has he actually done which is so great? I really want to know.

I think Quiller was referring to legislative seats like in the U.S. House and Senate.

As for the rest of it, come one. I've been listening to mournful predictions of the collapse of the U.S. for as long as I can remember and that's getting to be a pretty long time. We're still here so now I look at these predictions with a good deal of skepticism. I invite you to become a fellow skeptic of doom-and-gloom predictions since it's fun to throw rocks at the folks hankering for a "Mad Max" future that they're well fixed for due to their substantial armory.

The dollar's going to remain the main currency of international exchange for the foreseeable future and the U.S. is going to survive Obama although I'd be a lot happier about the future if I were sure he'd lose the 2012 election. But even if he wins he's discovering that he's moved into a new era and one in which he and his beliefs have a small and shrinking place.

Quote from: arpad on March 03, 2011, 01:26:07 PM
I think Quiller was referring to legislative seats like in the U.S. House and Senate.

Thanks for the explanation, Arp. I have never heard such an expression before.

Quote from: arpad on March 03, 2011, 01:26:07 PM
As for the rest of it, come one. I've been listening to mournful predictions of the collapse of the U.S. for as long as I can remember and that's getting to be a pretty long time. We're still here so now I look at these predictions with a good deal of skepticism. I invite you to become a fellow skeptic of doom-and-gloom predictions since it's fun to throw rocks at the folks hankering for a "Mad Max" future that they're well fixed for due to their substantial armory.

Ok, I dont believe the USA is going to collapse. Maybe I shouldnt have used the phrase gloom and doom, however, the economy is not booming. Check out home sales, car sales, the job  market, the cost of energy. Obama has not done much that is worthy of him to be reelected imo.

Quote from: arpad on March 03, 2011, 01:26:07 PM
The dollar's going to remain the main currency of international exchange for the foreseeable future and the U.S. is going to survive Obama although I'd be a lot happier about the future if I were sure he'd lose the 2012 election. But even if he wins he's discovering that he's moved into a new era and one in which he and his beliefs have a small and shrinking place.

I am not convinced the $ will remain the currency to international exchange. Asia seems to be moving up in the world in this area... This is not my area of expertise. (I am still trying to figure out where my area of expertise may be.)

He is going to lose. I havent heard any of you smart ones give any really good reason why he deserves another 4 years. He is going to lose or else he wont be running for prez on the Nov 2012 ballot. Go figure....

Quote from: U_Kay on March 03, 2011, 01:13:20 PM

A quick question for you~ What do you mean by "federal billets"?

The number of House and Senate openings. Sorry.

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Yeah, it was fun watching him and his party get slaughtered in Nov 2010! I want it to happen in 2012 too.

QuoteI doubt seriously the mainstream media will be taken seriously this next go around. Someone in this forum stated a day or so ago that the next election will be a referendum against Obama and the MSM. I totally agree.

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Look at Drudgereport.com

The first several headlines are depressing... The decline of the US dollar... Time Mags article USA is in decline... Gasoline costing more at the pump and more negative articles cited .

It is gloom and doom type of stuff. What has he actually done which is so great? I really want to know.

When Obama's White House seizes FDR levels of content-control over reportage, we get slave labor mentality from the overpaid media whores. Nobody in the mainstream press is reporting how incompetent the new WH press flack has been, or the Mafioso mentality by the gangsters in WH Communications.

Haha!! "Dont stick your neck out for Obama" Haha!! because he will only give you the shaft in return!

I would like to know of 1 good reason, based on his record, why people should vote for him in 2012.

I have read people like him, but they dont like his politics, policies. So do you think he will win the election based on people merely liking him?

Besides, I see where he is going to lose in a big way this go around... Someone mentioned without him spending a dime, he will garner at least 40% of the vote... Well, I suspect that to be true. The problem is he needs to gain another 6 to 10% to have hopes of winning the popular vote...

The key to winning will be the elector votes... Things are looking worse for him on that front. Why so? Look at how the map has been turning from red to blue, would ya?

PA, Ohio, FL, WI... to name a few

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/03/us-usa-campaign-obama-idUSTRE72213G20110303

Left leaning Reuters talks about Obozo's race for reelection.

What do you think?

Quote from: arpad on March 03, 2011, 01:26:07 PM
I think Quiller was referring to legislative seats like in the U.S. House and Senate.

I was, you insufferable know-it-all, you.  ;)   (De Debbil made me say dat.)

QuoteAs for the rest of it, come one. I've been listening to mournful predictions of the collapse of the U.S. for as long as I can remember and that's getting to be a pretty long time. We're still here so now I look at these predictions with a good deal of skepticism. I invite you to become a fellow skeptic of doom-and-gloom predictions since it's fun to throw rocks at the folks hankering for a "Mad Max" future that they're well fixed for due to their substantial armory.

The dollar's going to remain the main currency of international exchange for the foreseeable future and the U.S. is going to survive Obama although I'd be a lot happier about the future if I were sure he'd lose the 2012 election. But even if he wins he's discovering that he's moved into a new era and one in which he and his beliefs have a small and shrinking place.

Well, aren't YOU Little Miss Sunshine, howling "Blue Skies, Nothing But Blue Skies!"

Damned optimists. They take all the fun out of a high-octane Fear Fest! 

To summarize my thoughts on Hussein in 2012, I don't think we have come this far in rejecting him to put him in office again.

I'm pretty sure the dollar will remain the world's reserve currency although there may be an effort to obscure that fact.

But it's really not that complex a situation.

When a Chilean mining operation wants to buy some bulldozers from a Japanese company on of the things that has to be decided is the currency that's going to be used to pay for the transaction. The Chilean company will want to pay with pesos. The Japanese company has to decide whether they want to be paid with pesos. They may or they may not. If they're going to buy some stuff in Chile then the peso is OK but if they want to buy some Australian steel will the Australian company take the pesos the Japanese outfit took for their bulldozers?

The Japanese company could go to a bank and convert the pesos to yen but the bank will want it's cut. That comes out of the profit margin. Wouldn't it be great if you could get paid in some form that didn't require conversion because everyone recognized it's value? Enter the dollar.

But a reserve currency's got to have other qualities.

Let's say the Japanese outfit's doing a lot of business in Chile. They're building up a big wad of pesos in their bank account. If they don't convert it to yen they don't have to pay a bank fee but will a peso be worth as much in a year as it is now?

The Chilean government might be pretty irresponsible and decide to start inflating the currency. Your 100 million pesos might be worth 1,000 bulldozers today but a year from now what if the peso's dropped in value so that the same number of pesos only buys 500 bulldozers?

So a reserve currency has to be pretty reliable a store of value. The U.S. government's been, by comparison to most governments and I know this'll bring forth peals of laughter, pretty careful about maintaining the value of the dollar. Yes there's been inflation and yes there have been a couple of boughts of dangerously high inflation but overall the dollar's been a good store of value.

The third factor is liquidity but I've done enough stem-winding.

The question to which I'm uncertain of the answer is what's the good of being the source of the world's reserve currency to the U.S.? What do we get out of fact the world depends on the dollar to facilitate the world economy?

Anyone know? I don't see any particular advantage to the U.S. to being in this position.

As to Obama's re-election chances, I think it's way too early to tell. It's dependent on who the Repubs run against him as well as the domestic/international situation in the run up to the election. Right now Obama's looking pretty vulnerable but that's right now.

Arp, we agree -- a lot. I've been trying to tell these chillun that it's too early to predict the Kenyan's shot in 2012...


Also, I agree with your comments about the dollar being likely to remain the primary reserve currency. It is sad that this is so mainly by comparison, because most other major currencies are managed so much more recklessly than is ours.

Quote from: arpad on March 03, 2011, 02:32:43 PM
I'm pretty sure the dollar will remain the world's reserve currency although there may be an effort to obscure that fact.

But it's really not that complex a situation.

When a Chilean mining operation wants to buy some bulldozers from a Japanese company on of the things that has to be decided is the currency that's going to be used to pay for the transaction. The Chilean company will want to pay with pesos. The Japanese company has to decide whether they want to be paid with pesos. They may or they may not. If they're going to buy some stuff in Chile then the peso is OK but if they want to buy some Australian steel will the Australian company take the pesos the Japanese outfit took for their bulldozers?

The Japanese company could go to a bank and convert the pesos to yen but the bank will want it's cut. That comes out of the profit margin. Wouldn't it be great if you could get paid in some form that didn't require conversion because everyone recognized it's value? Enter the dollar.

But a reserve currency's got to have other qualities.

Let's say the Japanese outfit's doing a lot of business in Chile. They're building up a big wad of pesos in their bank account. If they don't convert it to yen they don't have to pay a bank fee but will a peso be worth as much in a year as it is now?

The Chilean government might be pretty irresponsible and decide to start inflating the currency. Your 100 million pesos might be worth 1,000 bulldozers today but a year from now what if the peso's dropped in value so that the same number of pesos only buys 500 bulldozers?

So a reserve currency has to be pretty reliable a store of value. The U.S. government's been, by comparison to most governments and I know this'll bring forth peals of laughter, pretty careful about maintaining the value of the dollar. Yes there's been inflation and yes there have been a couple of boughts of dangerously high inflation but overall the dollar's been a good store of value.

The third factor is liquidity but I've done enough stem-winding.

The question to which I'm uncertain of the answer is what's the good of being the source of the world's reserve currency to the U.S.? What do we get out of fact the world depends on the dollar to facilitate the world economy?

Anyone know? I don't see any particular advantage to the U.S. to being in this position.

Well, I see one particular disadvantage if the dollar were no longer used as the world currency. Many countries keep dollars in surpluses for the very reason you stated with the example of buying a bulldozer. If all these foreign countries were to no longer need the dollar, those dollar bills would sooner or later come back home. IMO, it seems only logical this wouldbe  harmful to our economy. 

Quote from: arpad on March 03, 2011, 02:32:43 PM
As to Obama's re-election chances, I think it's way too early to tell. It's dependent on who the Repubs run against him as well as the domestic/international situation in the run up to the election. Right now Obama's looking pretty vulnerable but that's right now.

Let's start with your last sentence. Are you aware most articles concerning the 2012 election are written as though he is unbeatable in 2012? Yes! I bet you already know it, Arp.

I agree a lot can happen between now and Nov of 2012. I have stated before the best thing that can happen to Obozo is The House of Representatives with the Repubs help improve the economy. If the Repubs in The House were to make a positive difference to this economy, who knows? He has a shot to win! However, The House of Reps have to contend with Harry Reid and the democratic Senate. I see an economic stalemate to a large degree. Perhaps we will drift along on this economic ride slowly teetering up and down, from side to side with very little major changes. I simply can not imagine unemployment under 8% in Nov of 2012. It will take a miracle for that to happen. War? Doubt it! Truth is, Obama and Dems own this very high unemployment, thanks to that anti-Recovery and Reinvestment Act (The stimulus of Feb 2009.)! Last but not least, there is so much Obama fodder this go around for a sharp Republican politican candidate to have a field day!