I have often seen "bug out bags" advertised and just putting this out there, bug out to where? If SHTF, wouldn't you be safer in your own residence, joining together with your neighbors? Without electricity, food will run out quickly, there will only be one food source that will be abundant, at least temporary, and we won't talk about that. I mean, isn't that why we stockpile necessities, so that we have them when needed? You ain't going to carry that with you. Highways will be one huge car wreck. Most people could not survive without shelter.

But then again on the other hand, cities would quickly become one huge cesspool. Water would be scarce, unsanitary. 

Just wondering, do any out there see SHTF as a real possibility? Do you have plans? If it would happen, do any see hope?

Quote from: Possum on June 04, 2025, 05:19:19 AMI have often seen "bug out bags" advertised and just putting this out there, bug out to where? If SHTF, wouldn't you be safer in your own residence, joining together with your neighbors? Without electricity, food will run out quickly, there will only be one food source that will be abundant, at least temporary, and we won't talk about that. I mean, isn't that why we stockpile necessities, so that we have them when needed? You ain't going to carry that with you. Highways will be one huge car wreck. Most people could not survive without shelter.

But then again on the other hand, cities would quickly become one huge cesspool. Water would be scarce, unsanitary. 

Just wondering, do any out there see SHTF as a real possibility? Do you have plans? If it would happen, do any see hope?

You are correct. You are safer in your home. No matter where you think it is safe to go, others will come. Just because you live in the woods, it doesn't mean you are safe. People's true colors will come out. They will harm you and take your supplies. You prepared yourself, and they scoffed at you.

However, you do need a bug out plan. Where can I go? How can I get there? Where can I stay? What do I need to bring? Can I set this up as a permanent spot?

We have a survival forum for this very subject.

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Wonder if China is paying attention to the world stage right about now? There is one hell of a demonstration of what American fire power, the best of what the American fire power can do. And this demonstration does not include the vast navy.


I bet by Monday we will hear Wi has left the building.   

The Corporate Big Ass Lie.
This is a subject no one ever addresses. The lie that cheap labor keeps our food prices down.

Market demand sets prices, and for these behemoths to claim otherwise plays on the ignorance of the sheeple.
If we can kill off the illegal alien worker BS, the left would no longer get slave labor. Prices could increase for a short time as things adjust, but there's still Mkt demand. If costs rise too much, people won't buy.
So, who absorbs the cost? Corporations are the ones who've been setting the prices all along and skimming off the top with cheap labor.
Yes, regardless of costs, they demand an unrealistic profit margin. But Congress enables them, with Bull Shit in the farm Bills.
Look at the milk producers' monopoly, killing off the small organic milk, cheese dairy producers, where by law they were killing off the Independents, shutting them down, all under the guise of the "Consumer Safety" lie!.

They will be forced to adapt, either raise the pay of the worker, or mechanize.
Look at farm equipment, all the improvements in robotics, where the farmer actually sleeps while AI works the farm 24/7.
But have prices fallen? Oh Hell No! They've only increased, all because the corporate monopoly demands a ridiculously high ROI.
 

Quote from: Solar on June 14, 2025, 05:51:03 AMThe Corporate Big Ass Lie.
This is a subject no one ever addresses. The lie that cheap labor keeps our food prices down.

Market demand sets prices, and for these behemoths to claim otherwise plays on the ignorance of the sheeple.
If we can kill off the illegal alien worker BS, the left would no longer get slave labor. Prices could increase for a short time as things adjust, but there's still Mkt demand. If costs rise too much, people won't buy.
So, who absorbs the cost? Corporations are the ones who've been setting the prices all along and skimming off the top with cheap labor.
Yes, regardless of costs, they demand an unrealistic profit margin. But Congress enables them, with Bull Shit in the farm Bills.
Look at the milk producers' monopoly, killing off the small organic milk, cheese dairy producers, where by law they were killing off the Independents, shutting them down, all under the guise of the "Consumer Safety" lie!.

They will be forced to adapt, either raise the pay of the worker, or mechanize.
Look at farm equipment, all the improvements in robotics, where the farmer actually sleeps while AI works the farm 24/7.
But have prices fallen? Oh Hell No! They've only increased, all because the corporate monopoly demands a ridiculously high ROI.
 

Want another example, people believed goods from China were cheaper because labor was cheaper there. Goods were cheaper because they were CRAP! To fight the quality of American products other countries placed tariffs on American goods while they still produced CRAP, which their people still bought because the American goods were too high, not because of wages, because of tariffs.

You hit it on the head. One market that has some of the biggest swings is the cattle market. Pricing is ALL supply and demand. It has nothing to do with the farmers expenses.

Quote from: Possum on June 14, 2025, 06:17:32 AMWant another example, people believed goods from China were cheaper because labor was cheaper there. Goods were cheaper because they were CRAP! To fight the quality of American products other countries placed tariffs on American goods while they still produced CRAP, which their people still bought because the American goods were too high, not because of wages, because of tariffs.

You hit it on the head. One market that has some of the biggest swings is the cattle market. Pricing is ALL supply and demand. It has nothing to do with the farmers expenses.

Exactly Correct! Same with Japan in the 60s and early 70s.
China made good looking Crap, that was all, it looked good, but compared to lifetime American quality, they couldn't compete.
This is where the GOP came in, helping Clinton with NAFTA, they literally gutted the Nation of jobs.
This also allowed other countries takeover corporate America. Busch, Target, Harley, they all learned hard lessons, most will most likely never recover from until they're owned by Americans. Dodge is a good example of attempting a comeback.

But getting back to my point about "Big Ag" profiting off slave labor. I've read studies that say they could easily afford to pay $20.0 an hour and still maintain a descent profit margin.
But forget about Congress doing their damn jobs, anyway, not until we purge the rest of the traitors out.