Quote from: Possum on September 24, 2021, 09:49:05 AMJust a little feedback, take it or leave it. You have a ton of information, I enjoy reading most of what you have to say. But there are times where I feel your message is one of defeat and we should be ready to just cash it all in and wait for the end of the world. God gave us his son, and life. Our message should always be one of hope, of seeing the good we can accomplish and knowing that there are things worth fighting for. We are the luckiest people on earth, we have faith in God and he gave us a great nation to live in. Lets not lose it.

As I've said many times, my hope lies in Jesus Christ, what He did, the crown that was jammed on His head, the cross He hung on. I am sorry that you view my comments as negative, hopeless or giving up. I am only stating what scripture says repeatedly about humans as being sinful, selfish and evil continually. I am merely stating fact and relating that our problems were not created by humans and so will not be solved by humans. (i.e. Politicians are human)

I do not feel that the facts I have stated are negative, in fact they give me great hope that the rapture will happen soon. Whether I will live to see it or not is something that the Lord knows and I do not.

I read quite a lot of positive comments on this site as I see things continually getting worse. I've always lived by the motto, "Hope for the best but, plan for the worst." One thing I have learned is that ones opponent should never be underestimated.

I wish that President Trump would return and that prices would go down, foreign policy would improve, law enforcement and the military would regain the respect that they once had, the presidential election would have been fair and honest, the deficit wasn't as high as it is, etc., etc., etc. but, that is not reality.

I have stated facts, I can't help that those facts are not agreeable with many on this site. As I've told others, facts are facts and are neither positive nor negative.

I think you all are defining RV's CONCERN as negativity.

The facts are that OUR BURDEN and his race baiting Administration is in control until at least November of 2022. We need something in the form of a miracle to occur for this Administration to be removed before then.

WE THE PEOPLE need Joe Manchin to stand tall and prevent the bankrupting of America. The 3.5T is a lie. It is more like 10-12T and included MONTHLY payments for every illegal that has entered the country. $600 and $300 per child. Do the math. It is staggering how much debt they are willing to pile on for ILLEGALS.

I will remain concerned with RV until this grand plan you speak of (which I pray for every day) comes to fruition.

Quote from: RV on September 24, 2021, 06:54:47 PMLet's be clear. If people have not woke up by all of the facts that I have listed, how are they suddenly going to wake up now? If they have woke up, then how did all of these facts happen?

You cannot have it both ways. Either people have already "woke up" which creates all sorts of questions in my mind or they haven't yet, which also creates all sorts of questions in my mind.

Facts are neither positive nor negative. Fact statements are based on reality of what has actually occurred. How one views them, perceives them, analyzes them or interprets them can be positive or negative but, the facts themselves are not changed.

How did you lie? I'm not sure. If you knowingly labeled me as "pessimistic" but, also said that what I stated as facts were, that is dishonest. If I misrepresented something or stated something as fact that wasn't THEN I would be putting a "pessimistic" spin on things.

To the best of my knowledge, I was keeping in the vain of facts, truth and reality as is supposed to be the tenet of this website. That is why I offered you the opportunity to provide proof of where I had stated something as fact that was not. You then stated that everything I had posted in my comment was a fact yet you tried to claim that those facts were "pessimistic" or negative. I say again, facts are neither positive nor negative whether you like them or not.

1, Im not having it 'both ways' its a process, on a scale. More and more are being woke up and people have gradually been waking up over time. Its not like a person is just suddenly woken up, its a gradual process that takes time. I have one friend that accepts that biden cheated and trump really won and we shld decertify, but he still thinks covid is totally real and dangerous to all. He is awake on one issue, not the other.

2, As for your statement being pessemistic, I am talking about the opinion part of your claim.
You stated a bunch of facts, which I think I agreed with, and they you added your opinion, which someone said was pessimistic(not sure if I used that term or someone else).

Quote from: T Hunt on September 24, 2021, 10:59:15 PM1, Im not having it 'both ways' its a process, on a scale. More and more are being woke up and people have gradually been waking up over time. Its not like a person is just suddenly woken up, its a gradual process that takes time. I have one friend that accepts that biden cheated and trump really won and we shld decertify, but he still thinks covid is totally real and dangerous to all. He is awake on one issue, not the other.

2, As for your statement being pessemistic, I am talking about the opinion part of your claim.
You stated a bunch of facts, which I think I agreed with, and they you added your opinion, which someone said was pessimistic(not sure if I used that term or someone else).

What I find interesting is, I have talked to hundreds just like him, but when you lay out the fact that most of what has taken place, is superficial, no actual law has been passed, most are either EO, or blown out of proportion.

Point being, it's mostly attitudinal. If one doesn't watch TV or consume the "News", nothing much has changed.
It's the illusion their media creates, an image of doom and gloom if you still believe America can return to its culture of yesteryear.
The left has done all things possible to make people believe that all whites are racist, that all blacks want to burn down your towns, that thugs roaming the streets under the guise of anti fascists' have a legitimate beef. All lies, they want you scared, and RV swallowed the lie, it is now his reality.

But if one lives outside the confines of a liberal shithole, they see none of this, only the perception their media creates.
I'm guessing RV lives in one of these Marxist run shitholes which consists of about 5$ of the US, while the media purports it to be 65% of the US. Only those susceptible to the lefts message will lose all hope.

Arguing with someone like this is hopeless, so remember, when we win, rub it in their face.

Quote from: Solar on September 25, 2021, 06:02:12 AMWhat I find interesting is, I have talked to hundreds just like him, but when you lay out the fact that most of what has taken place, is superficial, no actual law has been passed, most are either EO, or blown out of proportion.

Point being, it's mostly attitudinal. If one doesn't watch TV or consume the "News", nothing much has changed.
It's the illusion their media creates, an image of doom and gloom if you still believe America can return to its culture of yesteryear.
The left has done all things possible to make people believe that all whites are racist, that all blacks want to burn down your towns, that thugs roaming the streets under the guise of anti fascists' have a legitimate beef. All lies, they want you scared, and RV swallowed the lie, it is now his reality.

But if one lives outside the confines of a liberal shithole, they see none of this, only the perception their media creates.
I'm guessing RV lives in one of these Marxist run shitholes which consists of about 5$ of the US, while the media purports it to be 65% of the US. Only those susceptible to the lefts message will lose all hope.

Arguing with someone like this is hopeless, so remember, when we win, rub it in their face.

  Nothing has been done that the democrats can be proud of. Everything they are attempting is not to help anyone. Want proof, when asked what is the democrat party doing to help minorities, our resident liberal could not name one.

Quote from: Possum on September 25, 2021, 06:47:00 AM  Nothing has been done that the democrats can be proud of. Everything they are attempting is not to help anyone. Want proof, when asked what is the democrat party doing to help minorities, our resident liberal could not name one.

So true, all they've done is exploit those on the govt dole.

Solar and taxed, to me, seem to be overly optimistic.  RV strikes me as being too pessimistic.  I think that reality is somewhere in between.

Last winter, Solar was sure that the election would be rectified on or before January 20.  I hoped that it would be, but was disappointed when it didn't happen.  I still think there is hope of rectifying it before November 2022.

People ARE waking up to how corrupt the rulers are.  But it's still happening more slowly than it should.  Solar and taxed seem to be very confident that We the People will overcome the evildoers.  RV seems to think that only the actual return of Jesus will bring that victory.  I think that RV might be right about that.  But I also think that, when Jesus returns, he expects to see us still trying!

RV has referred to the rapture several times.  There are people out there who say that the rapture is a false doctrine, deliberately planted in the churches by the socialists.  They did it to pacify and neutralize the sort of Christians who conducted the American Revolution.  There is recorded history to confirm that.  Scofield was a major player in that scam.

I think that the only "rapture" we're going to get is when we are made to lay down our lives for Christ.  THAT'S how determined we have to be!  This battle is going to be A LOT harder than many people think.  As I've said in a previous post, the left is like an abusive boyfriend.  They are OBSESSED with power!  They will exterminate every last human on Earth before they relinquish power!  But THEY are the ones who will be exterminated!  Whether it happens before or after Jesus returns, it WILL happen!

I don't want to get locked into a debate on when what will happen.  In spite of our diverse views about that, we are all pulling in the same general direction.  Victory is truly ours!  Even though some or all of us might have to pay the ultimate price.  God WILL win this war!  Our job is to help as many people as possible to get on the right side.  Like the bumper sticker says, "Jesus is coming soon!  Look busy!"

Quote from: je_freedom on September 25, 2021, 07:13:08 PMSolar and taxed, to me, seem to be overly optimistic.  RV strikes me as being too pessimistic.  I think that reality is somewhere in between.

Last winter, Solar was sure that the election would be rectified on or before January 20.  I hoped that it would be, but was disappointed when it didn't happen.  I still think there is hope of rectifying it before November 2022.

People ARE waking up to how corrupt the rulers are.  But it's still happening more slowly than it should.  Solar and taxed seem to be very confident that We the People will overcome the evildoers.  RV seems to think that only the actual return of Jesus will bring that victory.  I think that RV might be right about that.  But I also think that, when Jesus returns, he expects to see us still trying!

RV has referred to the rapture several times.  There are people out there who say that the rapture is a false doctrine, deliberately planted in the churches by the socialists.  They did it to pacify and neutralize the sort of Christians who conducted the American Revolution.  There is recorded history to confirm that.  Scofield was a major player in that scam.

I think that the only "rapture" we're going to get is when we are made to lay down our lives for Christ.  THAT'S how determined we have to be!  This battle is going to be A LOT harder than many people think.  As I've said in a previous post, the left is like an abusive boyfriend.  They are OBSESSED with power!  They will exterminate every last human on Earth before they relinquish power!  But THEY are the ones who will be exterminated!  Whether it happens before or after Jesus returns, it WILL happen!

I don't want to get locked into a debate on when what will happen.  In spite of our diverse views about that, we are all pulling in the same general direction.  Victory is truly ours!  Even though some or all of us might have to pay the ultimate price.  God WILL win this war!  Our job is to help as many people as possible to get on the right side.  Like the bumper sticker says, "Jesus is coming soon!  Look busy!"

Folks, even though Je just derailed the thread, lets keep it on topic, I don't want to move it to the religion forum.

Quote from: je_freedom on September 25, 2021, 07:13:08 PMSolar and taxed, to me, seem to be overly optimistic.  RV strikes me as being too pessimistic.  I think that reality is somewhere in between.

Last winter, Solar was sure that the election would be rectified on or before January 20.  I hoped that it would be, but was disappointed when it didn't happen.  I still think there is hope of rectifying it before November 2022.

I thought it would be as well, but that doesn't mean the battle to take back our election system and republic doesn't happen.  When I said that Trump was taking the enemy into deep waters, I didn't realize how right I was.  In retrospect, again, we had to get here.  Think about what we learned about the depth of the enemy's control of our elections.  If they handed it to Trump, we wouldn't have been able to dig into this because nobody would believe it.

QuotePeople ARE waking up to how corrupt the rulers are.  But it's still happening more slowly than it should.

I really don't think it's happening slower than it should. People are having to re-evaluate everything they know, and that takes time.  The frog has to be unboiled as fast as it was slow-boiled.

QuoteSolar and taxed seem to be very confident that We the People will overcome the evildoers.

We are overcoming.

Quote from: je_freedom on September 25, 2021, 07:13:08 PMSolar and taxed, to me, seem to be overly optimistic.  RV strikes me as being too pessimistic.  I think that reality is somewhere in between.

Last winter, Solar was sure that the election would be rectified on or before January 20.  I hoped that it would be, but was disappointed when it didn't happen.  I still think there is hope of rectifying it before November 2022.

People ARE waking up to how corrupt the rulers are.  But it's still happening more slowly than it should.  Solar and taxed seem to be very confident that We the People will overcome the evildoers.  RV seems to think that only the actual return of Jesus will bring that victory.  I think that RV might be right about that.  But I also think that, when Jesus returns, he expects to see us still trying!

RV has referred to the rapture several times.  There are people out there who say that the rapture is a false doctrine, deliberately planted in the churches by the socialists.  They did it to pacify and neutralize the sort of Christians who conducted the American Revolution.  There is recorded history to confirm that.  Scofield was a major player in that scam.

I think that the only "rapture" we're going to get is when we are made to lay down our lives for Christ.  THAT'S how determined we have to be!  This battle is going to be A LOT harder than many people think.  As I've said in a previous post, the left is like an abusive boyfriend.  They are OBSESSED with power!  They will exterminate every last human on Earth before they relinquish power!  But THEY are the ones who will be exterminated!  Whether it happens before or after Jesus returns, it WILL happen!

I don't want to get locked into a debate on when what will happen.  In spite of our diverse views about that, we are all pulling in the same general direction.  Victory is truly ours!  Even though some or all of us might have to pay the ultimate price.  God WILL win this war!  Our job is to help as many people as possible to get on the right side.  Like the bumper sticker says, "Jesus is coming soon!  Look busy!"

First off, I have never said that people should stop trying to bring back law and order. That is something that keeps surfacing but, it's not something I have ever said, intimated, inferred or commented.

Secondly, the rapture happens BEFORE Jesus returns. If you would read the Bible you'd know that.

Last but not least, I have also said many times that humans are selfish, self-centered and evil. That is common knowledge and also listed many times in scripture. The rapture happening IS positive for a believe but, not so much for an unbeliever. No matter who is installed or elected, this mess will not be completely corrected until the Lord restores order at the second coming, that is a fact not an assumption nor wishful thinking. It was for this same reason that the Lord caused the Earth to be flooded...

Many people who claim to be christians use the same mentality to excuse their non-witness. It isn't biblical, it isn't scriptural and it's not what Christians are exhorted to do. I believe that it's something like "go into all the world spreading the gospel..."

In the end, I don't worry about what people say. My job on Earth is to do what God says rather than man. They hated Jesus and they'll hate anyone who follows Him.

Quote from: je_freedom on September 25, 2021, 07:13:08 PMLast winter, Solar was sure that the election would be rectified on or before January 20. 

Can you actually quote me on that? It needs to be qualified.

Quote from: taxed on September 22, 2021, 10:09:47 PMI'm not.  Here's how I see it:

The issues that are hot-button are topical.  For example, the flood of border-jumpers is bad, and when you see that massive number of people concentrated together and invading, it can be infuriating.  However, a simple policy change and they're removed.  There's nothing deep and lasting with them.  If you can get past the visuals, it's just a bunch more people we need to deport.

Stuff that has been deeply entrenched, however, is being uprooted, good and bad.  Our election system was far worse than we could have imagined.  That's being exposed, and once we get to the other side of that, every single issue you're worried about goes away.

Roe V. Wade is on the table.  That's a deeply entrenched one that's being chipped away, and if it gets repealed or not, it's being challenged.  More people are learning about how the Republican Party works and are joining

The media has been deeply entrenched, but COVID has a higher approval rating than they do.  NOBODY trusts the media, and that, in turn, has spawned a new wave of independent journalists and researchers.  Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, etc. have been exposed, spawning Telegram, Rumble, Gab, Bitchute, etc.

The shit the FBI has been pulling over the years has been completely exposed.  It goes on and on, but all of this HAD TO HAPPEN.  In no universe were we going to take power back from the globalist Marxists and have it be smooth sailing or have no fight.  The fact they're going all out, like in Australia, proves they're all out of plays, so it's hail-Mary time for them.

The fact we're in this situation is very important, and I wish more people would embrace it.  Steer into it.  Our fathers and grandfathers went to war, stormed beaches, lost limbs, etc.  We can get through this I'm pretty sure.

Exactly Taxed....I think of it this way...before the internet went viral we were at the mercy of the liberal media. Think of it like the lights are out in a roach (democrat party) infested Bronx apartment. The lights get turned on (places like CPF) and now we see all the degusting filthy roaches (democrat party) running all over the damn place. Now its time to get the exterminator (elections) and wipeout the filth.

Anyone else notice how aggressive the GOP has been about the Az audits?
Yeah, me either, not one damn peep from those scum!!!

Quote from: Solar on September 26, 2021, 06:55:22 AMAnyone else notice how aggressive the GOP has been about the Az audits?
Yeah, me either, not one damn peep from those scum!!!

Except from the Az republican governor. He said he will NOT decertify the fraud Az election. Admitting the election in Az was fraud.

As a follow-up, I have heard some unbelievers who viewed the rapture as positive as it would take the Christians out of their way. There are some people who would like to see all "religion", all "belief" and anything that even resembles "God" out of society and out of people's lives. These folks believe that an amoral society would be "better". Most of these are Marxists and/or Communists but, it is what some people believe.