Any thoughts on the scenarios after tomorrow nights voting.
http://theresurgent.com/the-scalia-factor-with-undecided-voters/
QuoteOf those who had broken to Cruz, three of them did so because of Scalia's passing and the other three had locked their vote in for Cruz because of Scalia's passing.
Of the undecideds who were not committed, but leaning to Cruz, almost all of them said the Scalia death was leaning them toward Cruz.
A small sample, but telling never the less. If you call yourself a conservative, Cruz is the only choice.
With Jeb! rolling out new positions of his yesterday, Im not so sure he gets out regardless of the outcome. Kumbaya Kasich said he is staying in no matter what til Michigan and Carson said he is staying in no matter what through the SEC Primary. The other 3; Trump, Cruz, and Rubio are obviously not dropping out.
If Jeb! does end up dropping out, unfortunately I think the vast majority of his voters will go to Rubio. Regardless of how much Jeb! has been beating up on Rubio, I believe Jeb! voters would go to Rubio.
Hypothetically if Kasich dropped out, I believe most of voters would unfortunately go to Trump. After Trump, Kasich is the most moderate left of the candidates. Sure Kumbaya Kasich is all about peace, love, positivity , and mail delivery; and Trump's bombastic vulgar mouth may not sit well with Kasich, but policy wide I believe his supporters would be attracted to move over to Trump.
Hypothetically if Carson dropped out, Im not so sure where his supports would go. Most obvious choice for his voters to go would be to Cruz, but from people Ive talked to and from things Ive read, many many Carson supporters were burned very badly over the Iowa thing and may be burned bad enough to choose Rubio now over Cruz.
Im not sure much will be changing after tomorrow night, or at any time, until the SEC Primaries arrive.
Personally, I'm hoping Kasich is still in the race, once they get to Ohio.
But only so I can vote against him.
Quote from: daidalos on February 19, 2016, 07:49:50 AM
Personally, I'm hoping Kasich is still in the race, once they get to Ohio.
But only so I can vote against him.
Without Ohio the GOP simply can't get it done. Without his home state, he is finished.
Quote from: mrconservative on February 19, 2016, 06:54:41 AM
With Jeb! rolling out new positions of his yesterday, Im not so sure he gets out regardless of the outcome. Kumbaya Kasich said he is staying in no matter what til Michigan and Carson said he is staying in no matter what through the SEC Primary. The other 3; Trump, Cruz, and Rubio are obviously not dropping out.
If Jeb! does end up dropping out, unfortunately I think the vast majority of his voters will go to Rubio. Regardless of how much Jeb! has been beating up on Rubio, I believe Jeb! voters would go to Rubio.
Hypothetically if Kasich dropped out, I believe most of voters would unfortunately go to Trump. After Trump, Kasich is the most moderate left of the candidates. Sure Kumbaya Kasich is all about peace, love, positivity , and mail delivery; and Trump's bombastic vulgar mouth may not sit well with Kasich, but policy wide I believe his supporters would be attracted to move over to Trump.
Hypothetically if Carson dropped out, Im not so sure where his supports would go. Most obvious choice for his voters to go would be to Cruz, but from people Ive talked to and from things Ive read, many many Carson supporters were burned very badly over the Iowa thing and may be burned bad enough to choose Rubio now over Cruz.
Im not sure much will be changing after tomorrow night, or at any time, until the SEC Primaries arrive.
Do Jeb?, Carson, Kasich & Rubio have any MONEY left to continue past Super Tuesday, or Nevada - any hopes of finding new money?
Quote from: Hoofer on February 20, 2016, 05:01:55 AM
Do Jeb?, Carson, Kasich & Rubio have any MONEY left to continue past Super Tuesday, or Nevada - any hopes of finding new money?
It is rarely mentioned that Trump has been deficient in fund raising. One wonders how long he will go using his own money. We shall see.
Leftist media is still fronting the majority of Trump's campaign.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/election-2016-campaign-money-race.html?_r=0
Quote from: Solar on February 20, 2016, 06:18:15 AM
Leftist media is still fronting the majority of Trump's campaign.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/election-2016-campaign-money-race.html?_r=0
Interesting chart, thanks for digging it up!
Ted Cruz (non-businessman) has raised 2x more than Donald Trump (businessman known for bankruptcies & eminent domain)
Bernie Sanders has ZERO super-PACs...?
Does that suggest, "nobody with any money would throw him a nickel?"a quick comparison of Cruz, Rubio, Bush:
Cruz raises more via individual donors than super-PAC - hence alot of people like him.
Bush in particular and Rubio raised more via super-PAC -
would that suggest the establishment types like them the most...?MEH - better leave it to the experts.
But what happens after tonight's vote. Any predictions on the vote.
Quote from: Hoofer on February 20, 2016, 07:05:06 AM
Interesting chart, thanks for digging it up!
Ted Cruz (non-businessman) has raised 2x more than Donald Trump (businessman known for bankruptcies & eminent domain)
Bernie Sanders has ZERO super-PACs...? Does that suggest, "nobody with any money would throw him a nickel?"
a quick comparison of Cruz, Rubio, Bush:
Cruz raises more via individual donors than super-PAC - hence alot of people like him.
Bush in particular and Rubio raised more via super-PAC - would that suggest the establishment types like them the most...?
MEH - better leave it to the experts.
One thing for certain, money is no guarantee of getting elected.
Unfortunately the breakdown doesn't go into enough detail, I do believe it exposes true organization in how one effectively spends funds, and Cruz not only has a superior message, as well as professional organization, his track record so far is evidence he'll be our next President.
Quote from: redsun on February 20, 2016, 07:20:00 AM
But what happens after tonight's vote. Any predictions on the vote.
a complete WAG... wild-ass-guess..
Republicans - high turnout
Cruz 28%
Trump 22%
Bush 18%
Rubio 12%
Carson 9%
Democrats - lower turnout due to Dems crossing over to vote for DT
Sanders 54%
Clinton 44%
Other 2%
Without Dems vote on the Reps side, I think it would be: Cruz, Bush, Rubio, Trump, Carson.
Quote from: Hoofer on February 20, 2016, 07:39:34 AM
a complete WAG... wild-ass-guess..
Republicans - high turnout
Cruz 28%
Trump 22%
Bush 18%
Rubio 12%
Carson 9%
Democrats - lower turnout due to Dems crossing over to vote for DT
Sanders 54%
Clinton 44%
Other 2%
Without Dems vote on the Reps side, I think it would be: Cruz, Bush, Rubio, Trump, Carson.
Sounds good. Hope the polls are wrong.
"What happens after South Carolina"?
Trump panics and goes nuts with all kinds of outlandish threats, while Rubio tries once again to remake who and what he is.
Too bad for him, Geppetto died over a century ago.. :biggrin:
I'm hoping peoples conscious weighs heavy as they enter the voting booth tonight. Cruz by a nose over Trump and Rubio 3rd. Who else is in the race again... :ttoung:
Quote from: Fishman on February 20, 2016, 09:43:17 AM
I'm hoping peoples conscious weighs heavy as they enter the voting booth tonight. Cruz by a nose over Trump and Rubio 3rd. Who else is in the race again... :ttoung:
If your prediction holds true Trump will go ballistic. He will scream ti high heavens that Cruz cheated.
If Trump looses, he may sue his own organization.
Quote from: redsun on February 20, 2016, 10:50:21 AM
If Trump looses, he may sue his own organization.
The MS Media would be nice also. :laugh:
Polls just closed
%
35.7 Trump
21.2 Cruz
17.9 Rubio
15 Jeb
04 Kasich
05 Carson
Bush, Kasich, and Carson should pack their wagon and go home.
When the Donald becomes president he will issue an execuite order that all bullets manufactured in the United States be dipped in pig's blood.
Quote from: Coolidge23 on February 20, 2016, 06:42:01 PM
When the Donald becomes president he will issue an execuite order that all bullets manufactured in the United States be dipped in pig's blood.
Which Trump will you be voting for?
Quote from: Coolidge23 on February 20, 2016, 06:42:01 PM
When the Donald becomes president he will issue an execuite order that all bullets manufactured in the United States be dipped in pig's blood.
Trump can't win in a consolidated field. Why do you not understand this?
Quote from: Solar on February 20, 2016, 08:26:23 AM
"What happens after South Carolina"?
Trump panics and goes nuts with all kinds of outlandish threats, while Rubio tries once again to remake who and what he is.
Too bad for him, Geppetto died over a century ago.. :biggrin:
Hard to believe that Haley, Gowdy and Scott all got in behind Rubio to win. I thought they would have went for Cruz. They have signed their out warrants as far as getting my votes when it's time to vote again.
Quote from: keyboarder on February 20, 2016, 11:19:03 PM
Hard to believe that Haley, Gowdy and Scott all got in behind Rubio to win. I thought they would have went for Cruz. They have signed their out warrants as far as getting my votes when it's time to vote again.
The two-three finish of Cruz and Rubio undercut the value of some coveted South Carolina endorsements. Rubio had the backing of Gov. Nikki Haley, Sen. Tim Scott and Rep. Trey Gowdy; Cruz got the support of former Gov. Mark Sanford, now a House member.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/3c47c093990b4fdf94ee30d0ccdc33fb/trump-looks-lock-decisive-win-south-carolina
Quote from: Cruzman on February 21, 2016, 01:05:04 AM
The two-three finish of Cruz and Rubio undercut the value of some coveted South Carolina endorsements. Rubio had the backing of Gov. Nikki Haley, Sen. Tim Scott and Rep. Trey Gowdy; Cruz got the support of former Gov. Mark Sanford, now a House member.
The potentially
positive outcome from the Primary is that Haley, Scott, and Gowdy will have to regain conservative credibility by voting
harder Right.
Quote from: kit saginaw on February 21, 2016, 02:36:05 AM
The potentially positive outcome from the Primary is that Haley, Scott, and Gowdy will have to regain conservative credibility by voting harder Right.
It appears Rubio has barely edged out Cruz for second. Realistically, I think we must admit that Haley, Gowdy and Scott endorsements had a marginal impact, but enough to get Rubio into second. However, I also believe Cruz needs to reassess his campaign. A pattern of questionable tactics also appear to have hurt him. These negative aspects of his campaign are over shadowing all of his conservative credentials. He may actually benefit from Rubio edging him out in Sc in that Trump will now turn his guns on Rubio.
Quote from: supsalemgr on February 21, 2016, 04:51:46 AM
It appears Rubio has barely edged out Cruz for second. Realistically, I think we must admit that Haley, Gowdy and Scott endorsements had a marginal impact, but enough to get Rubio into second. However, I also believe Cruz needs to reassess his campaign. A pattern of questionable tactics also appear to have hurt him. These negative aspects of his campaign are over shadowing all of his conservative credentials. He may actually benefit from Rubio edging him out in Sc in that Trump will now turn his guns on Rubio.
Yup! Those 40% undecided voters, weren't looking at POLICY (they would've decided weeks earlier, had they been), the negatives probably swayed them toward the bigger campaign crowds, "Well, whatever, they're all bad, BUT we gotta beat Hillary!" - logic...?
Quote from: taxed on February 20, 2016, 07:20:24 PM
Trump can't win in a consolidated field. Why do you not understand this?
Trump's just won two states with open primaries (GOP voters and independents but not Democrats.)
He has populist appeal. Cruz does not.
Are you going to use the same ridiculous argument, the one the establishment media is offering up, each time Trump wins another state by double digits?
Quote from: supsalemgr on February 21, 2016, 04:51:46 AM
It appears Rubio has barely edged out Cruz for second. Realistically, I think we must admit that Haley, Gowdy and Scott endorsements had a marginal impact, but enough to get Rubio into second. However, I also believe Cruz needs to reassess his campaign. A pattern of questionable tactics also appear to have hurt him. These negative aspects of his campaign are over shadowing all of his conservative credentials. He may actually benefit from Rubio edging him out in Sc in that Trump will now turn his guns on Rubio.
What Cruz did wasn't negative, how the media and RINO portrayed it is.
They just won the hype game that's all.
Quote from: keyboarder on February 20, 2016, 11:19:03 PM
Hard to believe that Haley, Gowdy and Scott all got in behind Rubio to win. I thought they would have went for Cruz. They have signed their out warrants as far as getting my votes when it's time to vote again.
I'm telling ya, these Establishment hacks would rather a lib take it than a Conservative.
It's sad when they hate Conservatives more than libs....
What happens after South Carolina
The Republican Nevada caucus is in a couple of days.
There are only a couple of recent polls for Nevada, that doesn't take into account what happened in SC last night.
Trump is leading by 20 points in those polls. Cruz and Rubio are fighting for second.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nv/nevada_republican_presidential_caucus-5336.html
Quote from: Coolidge23 on February 21, 2016, 05:51:49 AM
Trump's just won two states with open primaries (GOP voters and independents but not Democrats.)
He has populist appeal. Cruz does not.
Are you going to use the same ridiculous argument, the one the establishment media is offering up, each time Trump wins another state by double digits?
You might want to check your facts...an OPEN primary is one where Dems can vote in the GOP as well or vice versa!
Based on the fact that one third have bailed on the Marxist party and still love liberals, doesn't bode well for Cruz.
Lets just hope they aren't motivated enough to vote for the carpetbagger..
Quote from: Bowhntr on February 21, 2016, 06:13:37 AM
You might want to check your facts...an OPEN primary is one where Dems can vote in the GOP as well or vice versa!
Thank you for pointing that out. It is always advisable to know what you are talking about before you open your mouth.
Quote from: tac on February 21, 2016, 06:18:24 AM
Thank you for pointing that out. It is always advisable to know what you are talking about before you open your mouth.
reposting....
20% of Trump's voting block is Democrat, of 240,000, that's 46,000 votes by non-GOP.
Trump's negatives are 62% - with those high negatives, Trump pulled 194,000 GOP voters.
I'll go slow here, think about it... (averaging numbers)
Of the 690,000 GOP voters, 500,000 votes were NOT for Donald Trump.
28% Trump
24% Rubio
24% Cruz
24% Jeb, Kasich, Carson (each was 8%)
Before anyone gets all excited about a "Trump Landslide", remember if any ONE of the lower tier candidates had dropped out - Rubio or Cruz would have won.
"Oh, but Trump still won! rah, rah, rah"
...Jeb? just dropped out. Kasich and Carson are probably going soon too - the $ well is dry.
It's FAR from over, Donald Romney Trump is in trouble, he doesn't have the GOP base.
Quote from: Hoofer on February 21, 2016, 06:55:57 AM
reposting....
20% of Trump's voting block is Democrat, of 240,000, that's 46,000 votes by non-GOP.
Trump's negatives are 62% - with those high negatives, Trump pulled 194,000 GOP voters.
I'll go slow here, think about it... (averaging numbers)
Of the 690,000 GOP voters, 500,000 votes were NOT for Donald Trump.
28% Trump
24% Rubio
24% Cruz
24% Jeb, Kasich, Carson (each was 8%)
Before anyone gets all excited about a "Trump Landslide", remember if any ONE of the lower tier candidates had dropped out - Rubio or Cruz would have won.
"Oh, but Trump still won! rah, rah, rah"
...Jeb? just dropped out. Kasich and Carson are probably going soon too - the $ well is dry.
It's FAR from over, Donald Romney Trump is in trouble, he doesn't have the GOP base.
Lets just hope the Establishment doesn't invest in their campaigns because a Conservative Cruz ticket to them is worse that a Trump lib ticket.
That's how much I distrust the GOP'e.
Quote from: Solar on February 21, 2016, 05:52:29 AM
What Cruz did wasn't negative, how the media and RINO portrayed it is.
They just won the hype game that's all.
Agreed. However, the dogs ate the dog food.
If Cruz Rubio and Kasich all remain in, this might lead to a brokered convention. Of course without Kasich the same thing might still apply.
Quote from: redsun on February 21, 2016, 08:05:12 AM
If Cruz Rubio and Kasich all remain in, this might lead to a brokered convention. Of course without Kasich the same thing might still apply.
The race is state by state and by delegate count. I think the winner needs about 1237 to win. So far Trump has 60.
Of course each state has different rules on how the apply those delegates.
Does anyone know if we do the Super-delegate thing like the Democrats do? Hillary is way ahead of Sanders.
Quote from: supsalemgr on February 21, 2016, 04:51:46 AM
It appears Rubio has barely edged out Cruz for second. Realistically, I think we must admit that Haley, Gowdy and Scott endorsements had a marginal impact, but enough to get Rubio into second. However, I also believe Cruz needs to reassess his campaign. A pattern of questionable tactics also appear to have hurt him. These negative aspects of his campaign are over shadowing all of his conservative credentials. He may actually benefit from Rubio edging him out in Sc in that Trump will now turn his guns on Rubio.
You allude to what is becoming ever-more obvious in retrospect... Cruz and the others should've immediately began slamming Trump last Summer. They let him get started.
It was just an 'unwitting mistake' based on assumptions he'd eventually flop.
However, the Primaries are far from over. Cruz is the only candidate smart enough to overcome Trump's momentum, but he can't dally-around.
Quote from: Bowhntr on February 21, 2016, 06:13:37 AM
You might want to check your facts...an OPEN primary is one where Dems can vote in the GOP as well or vice versa!
Not in NH it's not. An open primary is where Independents can vote in either primary. Dems cannot vote in GOP primary or vide versa.
I suggest you get your facts straight.
Also, the Dem race is very close. Common sense dictates that most of the Dems in Sc voted in the Dem primary not the GOP one.
So my statement stands, the the two states Trump just won he did so with mostly votes from GOP voters and registered independents.
Quote from: Coolidge23 on February 21, 2016, 09:05:28 AM
Not in NH it's not. An open primary is where Independents can vote in either primary. Dems cannot vote in GOP primary or vide versa.
I suggest you get your facts straight.
Also, the Dem race is very close. Common sense dictates that most of the Dems in Sc voted in the Dem primary not the GOP one.
So my statement stands, the the two states Trump just one he did so with mostly votes from GOP voters and registered independents.
No it's not, NH is a hybrid primary, also known as a semi-closed primary.
Look it up.
And Trump Won it, not "one" it and those so called Independents were majority libs that bailed on the Dim party.
Quote from: Solar on February 21, 2016, 09:17:29 AM
No it's not, NH is a hybrid primary, also known as a semi-closed primary.
Look it up.
And Trump Won it, not "one" it and those so called Independents were majority libs that bailed on the Dim party.
I live in NH so I don't need to tell you about my primary. It's as I described it and people, especially outside the state refer to it as an open primary.
That was a typo.
Quote from: Coolidge23 on February 21, 2016, 09:24:18 AM
I live in NH so I don't need to tell you about my primary. It's as I described it accurately and people, especially outside the state refer to it as an open primary.
That was a typo.
Quote from: Coolidge23 on February 21, 2016, 09:24:18 AM
I live in NH so I don't need to tell you about my primary. It's as I described it and people, especially outside the state refer to it as an open primary.
That was a typo.
Sheesh, pay attention. And note, my point stands, that it was
"a semi-closed primary" Open primaryAn open primary is a primary election in which any r
egistered voter can vote in any party's primary. Voters choose which primary to vote in; they do not have to be members of that party in order to vote.[7]
Closed primaryIn a closed primary, only
voters registered with the party that is holding the primary may vote. For example, if the Republican Party is holding a closed primary, then only voters registered as Republicans are permitted to vote in the primary.[8]
Hybrid primaryA hybrid primary, also known as a semi-closed or mixed primary, is a type of primary election used to choose candidates who will run in the general election. Fair Vote defines
a semi-closed primary as follows:[9]
" In a semi-closed primary, unaffiliated voters may choose which party primary to vote in, while voters registered with a party may only vote in that party's primary. Representing a middle ground between the exclusion of independent voters in a closed primary and the free-for-all of open primaries, the semi-closed primary eliminates concerns about voters registered in other parties from "raiding" another party's nominating contest.[10]
https://ballotpedia.org/Primary_election
Quote from: Coolidge23 on February 21, 2016, 09:24:18 AM
I live in NH so I don't need to tell you about my primary. It's as I described it and people, especially outside the state refer to it as an open primary.
That was a typo.
You backtrack almost as well as your candidate!
IMHO, Republicans/conservatives are falling for the same tactics applied that wrought the Democrats Obama ... hope and change. Those defending that kind of behavior WANT to believe one candidate's words so much, because he SAYS things they FEEL. The charisma and flamboyance give the appearance of the "Angry American" like in the song, folks "mad as hell and not going to take it any more" line up to jump on that train, not really knowing or understanding the destination. But Repubs/Conservs are supposed to be the party of rational, reasonable, responsible thought, not the party of "feelings".
We -- by which I mean conservatives, republicans, those opposed to the liberal progressive mind-set -- had better start engaging that part of our brain and paying closer attention to what these candidates have done/are doing, instead of what all they are saying.
Keep in mind, even a stopped clock is right twice a day, but only a fool counts on it for the time.
Just my 2 cents.
Quote from: ZiggyShrugs on February 21, 2016, 11:17:14 AM
IMHO, Republicans/conservatives are falling for the same tactics applied that wrought the Democrats Obama ... hope and change. Those defending that kind of behavior WANT to believe one candidate's words so much, because he SAYS things they FEEL. The charisma and flamboyance give the appearance of the "Angry American" like in the song, folks "mad as hell and not going to take it any more" line up to jump on that train, not really knowing or understanding the destination. But Repubs/Conservs are supposed to be the party of rational, reasonable, responsible thought, not the party of "feelings".
We -- by which I mean conservatives, republicans, those opposed to the liberal progressive mind-set -- had better start engaging that part of our brain and paying closer attention to what these candidates have done/are doing, instead of what all they are saying.
Keep in mind, even a stopped clock is right twice a day, but only a fool counts on it for the time.
Just my 2 cents.
Nailed it.
Anger, in this case warranted, clouds peoples' minds. Consequently, the conservatives who are supporting Trump are blinded to the shallowness of Trump. He has not shared any depth in "Making America great again".
Seems to me the "gimme something different" momentum is blowing by the issues-voters because Pubs/Conservs are allowing the media to run the game. I really can't understand how we can't capitalize on the playbook of the team that won previously and start using some of the same plays.
Too many don't want to "waste" time doing their own research, they just listen to the soundbites, speeches, and debates without investing the effort to find out exactly who their candidate is -- what they do, vs. what they say.
My pic has some "issues" that have caused me concern. I am vetting him, looking into the concerns and trying to get tot he bottom of it - whether it's a hack job or there is substance to the allegations. I don't agree directly blaming someone for the actions of their supporters is definitively appropriate, but strictly speaking from the top down, if you're looking the American citizen in the eye and stating emphatically asking for their trust, you better know what the rest of those that speak in your name are telling the truth too.
I do believe someone can have a change of heart, but changing who they are deep down which can ONLY be evidenced by consistent action(s), that's a different ball of wax.
Quote from: Hoofer on February 21, 2016, 06:55:57 AM
reposting....
20% of Trump's voting block is Democrat, of 240,000, that's 46,000 votes by non-GOP.
Trump's negatives are 62% - with those high negatives, Trump pulled 194,000 GOP voters.
I'll go slow here, think about it... (averaging numbers)
Of the 690,000 GOP voters, 500,000 votes were NOT for Donald Trump.
28% Trump
24% Rubio
24% Cruz
24% Jeb, Kasich, Carson (each was 8%)
Before anyone gets all excited about a "Trump Landslide", remember if any ONE of the lower tier candidates had dropped out - Rubio or Cruz would have won.
"Oh, but Trump still won! rah, rah, rah"
...Jeb? just dropped out. Kasich and Carson are probably going soon too - the $ well is dry.
It's FAR from over, Donald Romney Trump is in trouble, he doesn't have the GOP base.
I believe you have hit on it, and sure brightened my day. trump will not win the majority of the delegates with 30% of the vote. I sense the 70% who do not vote for him are really starting to despise the man, or maybe just are getting tired of the ones who do support him. If it does come down to the wheeling and dealing of a brokered convention, trump will not even be given a key to the out house. :thumbup: thanks for the point of view.
Quote from: s3779m on February 22, 2016, 05:52:35 AM
I believe you have hit on it, and sure brightened my day. trump will not win the majority of the delegates with 30% of the vote. I sense the 70% who do not vote for him are really starting to despise the man, or maybe just are getting tired of the ones who do support him. If it does come down to the wheeling and dealing of a brokered convention, trump will not even be given a key to the out house. :thumbup: thanks for the point of view.
Trump got 28% so that means 70% don't support him an despise him?
By that logic I guess 76% don't support either Cruz or Rubio and despise them right?
Quote from: Coolidge23 on February 22, 2016, 06:23:18 AM
Trump got 28% so that means 70% don't support him an despise him?
By that logic I guess 76% don't support either Cruz or Rubio and despise them right?
Trump has the highest percentage of negatives of any front runner in history, and none of them won either.
Quote from: Solar on February 22, 2016, 06:28:12 AM
Trump has the highest percentage of negatives of any front runner in history, and none of them won either.
Well I think history shows that this far out those polls and numbers will change. The election is ten months away. That's five lifetimes in politics.
I find all polls matching up the potential Dem vs potential rep this far out to be worthless.
When the nominees are decided and support on both sides is consolidated and solidified then I will start taking those polls seriously.
Quote from: Coolidge23 on February 22, 2016, 06:31:34 AM
Well I think history shows that this far out those polls and numbers will change. The election is ten months away. That's five lifetimes in politics.
I find all polls matching up the potential Dem vs potential rep this far out to be worthless.
When the nominees are decided and support on both sides is consolidated and solidified then I will start taking those polls seriously.
Actually his negatives have continued to climb. That's unheard of for a front runner.
Quote from: s3779m on February 22, 2016, 05:52:35 AM
I believe you have hit on it, and sure brightened my day. trump will not win the majority of the delegates with 30% of the vote. I sense the 70% who do not vote for him are really starting to despise the man, or maybe just are getting tired of the ones who do support him. If it does come down to the wheeling and dealing of a brokered convention, trump will not even be given a key to the out house. :thumbup: thanks for the point of view.
Like most people, I was initially surprised, but shouldn't have been.
Donald Trump's campaign staff told radio talk show host, Ben Ferguson over the weekend, the
only path to victory is splitting that 70% of the vote. His numbers have been "stuck" around the 30% approval for months. Mark Levin has also said these high disapproval numbers are unprecedented, nobody has ever won the General with numbers like these.
I believe you could be onto something, a brokered convention might actually be Rubio's path to the White House, and... Donald Trump leaving the Republican Party for an Independent run, teaming with Hillary or exiting altogether. While the main stream media is huffing and puffing about the so-called landslide Trump victory over Cruz, let's not kid ourselves, he got 4% more of the GOP vote than Cruz or Rubio - if EITHER ONE drops out, Trump is done.
Carson is a spoiler. Had me fooled for awhile, not any more.
Quote from: Coolidge23 on February 22, 2016, 06:23:18 AM
Trump got 28% so that means 70% don't support him an despise him?
By that logic I guess 76% don't support either Cruz or Rubio and despise them right?
If they had the negatives in their rating that trump has i might say you have a point, but they don't.