This is a long but well-written blog post from a 50ish career taxi driver in Florida, recounting the day he picked up a professional in the security business, and wound up war-gaming the Second Civil War.

QuoteWheeler said, "Well, it wouldn't look like the first Civil War... no lines of men standing in ranks and shooting across a field at each other, no "North and South" or sharply defined state lines for friendly and enemy territories, at least, not in the beginning. No, it would look more like Iraq or Afghanistan, with house to house fighting, IED's, snipers, small factions and independent militias operating on their own, refugees streaming away from battle zones in all directions..."

"But the first question to ask is who would the combatants be? I mean, the Army isn't going to just roll out onto the street in tanks on day one, so my guess is that it would start out as a police action, with Federal agencies like ATF and FBI taking the lead, supported by local law enforcement. But once people start shooting back, they would have to ratchet things up, do things like institute curfews and roadblocks, and they would eventually try to press the various state Guard units into service. That's where it all goes squirrelly, because both local law enforcement and the Guard will be riddled with people who support gun rights, regardless of what laws the politicians pass, and they won't be crazy about having to police, and maybe even fight against, their own people. The Governors may well object to the state Guard units being activated and may not wish to cooperate..."

"And it is not clear to me how many LEO and Guardsmen would remain loyal to the government and how many would join the "rebellion". My guess is that both sides would be riddled with defections, informants, and spies. But what if, say, the Gulf states like Texas, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia, and Florida secede, and they take control of all military bases and equipment, and you suddenly have gone from an insurgency with rifles to a breakaway nation, or maybe several breakaway nations, armed with fighter jets, drones, tanks, and a navy? Whoo, buddy... now all bets are off... kiss posse comitatus goodbye. This would be the ugliest thing this county has ever seen..."

I asked him several "what if" questions and let him riff on them... I just let him talk and wargame out the Second Civil War, there in the back seat of my car as we drove to the airport, and he painted a picture of horrific death and destruction. Once this conflict started, even the best-case scenarios he described sounded truly grim. He seemed to believe that civilian casualties would be extremely high, given how much fighting would centered in and around large cities, and that food would be used as a weapon, causing famine and starvation on a terrifying scale. Booby traps, IED's, rampant bombings, drone strikes, snipers, local-level assassinations, mortars and shelling, death squads (both government and rebel), reprisal killings, torture... it sounded more like the Middle East than middle America.

Wheeler got quiet for a few moments, and then he said something that I will never, ever forget.

Yeah, there's much more. And it's worth the read....

http://taxicabdepressions.com/?p=1193

Fucking Excellent! I encourage everyone on the forum to take the time to read it. It's what we all know and have been saying for a long time now.

Here is my take on the 2nd, it isn't the gun, it's the principle behind it, taking our weapons will be only the first move to remove the Bill of Rights, so if you don't want to live under tyranny, you'll stand with men like Bundy and put an end to this avalanche of an oppressive govt at every turn.

Regardless of how you view what he did, it was the govt that changed the rules by which we all abide.
So what's next? Outlawing the storage of rain water? Oh wait, that's already taking place, or maybe it's something as innocuous as building a pond so you have a place to raise fish for food....
Damned if that isn't illegal as well.

So what will be your breaking point?

I'm 1/4 way through and my brain is racing.  I love the immediate solution part so far!

A friend sent me "The Pig Trap" a week or so back. Excellent piece!!! 

Wow!!!       

I read this the day after it came out, and considered posting it, but somehow I thought it might be to hardcore a splash of reality for this group.
I stand corrected. Now go back and read it again. 

I have to agree with the "security consulatant" re his take, Since I am fromt he same background, Military, LEO, Privatesecurity my acessment is much the same. Some years ago, I tried War Gaming" [ossible scenarios on "The other site" before this one was conceived. Not much particupation on "the other site" but on some which are devoted to security nd later "oath keepers" there was better participation:

here are a few things in addition to above:

DIVIDED LOYALTY in the Military But National Guard will align with the teprerate of the State they are from, SO WILL LEO, LEO Local will be in direct conflict with "the Feds" (as they have ALWAYS been).

TWO WORDS: GUERILLA WARFARE...nuff said...heavy on ASSASSINATION of Public figures, the fight WILL be carried to the higher levels in an attempt to quickly end a shooting conflict. And as you are all aware, assassination can be carried out in a number of ways not just with guns, ramming a convoy with a tractor trailor is one way to take out a "principal" no matter how many body guards he or she might have.

Last word, somebody will get their hands on a nuke, at that point it is end game or the emergence of a new nation or rather a confederacy of states likely.

Mentioned already but he who controls the food supply wins.....

Figure about two million feds versus 325 million of the rest of us.

They may have the ammo, but we're the ones who can surround them and starve them out.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 24, 2014, 05:44:23 PM
I have to agree with the "security consulatant" re his take, Since I am fromt he same background, Military, LEO, Privatesecurity my acessment is much the same. Some years ago, I tried War Gaming" [ossible scenarios on "The other site" before this one was conceived. Not much particupation on "the other site" but on some which are devoted to security nd later "oath keepers" there was better participation:

here are a few things in addition to above:

DIVIDED LOYALTY in the Military But National Guard will align with the teprerate of the State they are from, SO WILL LEO, LEO Local will be in direct conflict with "the Feds" (as they have ALWAYS been).

What's a teprerate?

QuoteTWO WORDS: GUERILLA WARFARE...nuff said...heavy on ASSASSINATION of Public figures, the fight WILL be carried to the higher levels in an attempt to quickly end a shooting conflict. And as you are all aware, assassination can be carried out in a number of ways not just with guns, ramming a convoy with a tractor trailor is one way to take out a "principal" no matter how many body guards he or she might have.

Last word, somebody will get their hands on a nuke, at that point it is end game or the emergence of a new nation or rather a confederacy of states likely.

Mentioned already but he who controls the food supply wins.....

He who controls the feed supply and any additives it contains, you mean. Genetically-modified foodstuffs ARE a great concern, here and abroad. Now it's difficult to find any corn that's not modified in some way.

If anybody gets a nuke it will be the hard left, stealing from some college campus doing nuke research. Livermore or maybe University of Chicago are my best bets for that one.

I'm always fascinated, that some people don't realize how little of the country is actually run from DC. The media always tries to make it look as if decisions made in Washington are all important, and as if the Federal government is all powerful. But the Feds are only good when they are sending kids back to Cuba, shooting up isolated families, or massacring strange religious cults. And that was then, today everybody and his brother owns a cell phones; and if the big wigs ordered their networks to shutdown - to help their college classmates in DC - would their own people obey them?

So where will the idiot libs fit in, in all of this?
Think about it, they are literally the enablers of those wanting to usurp their freedoms and Liberty, yet here they are taking the side of the oppressor.

So at what point will the lab rats wake up and realize, that they too are in the cage next to us, and the lab techs are the Dim party Marxists?

I mean when all Hell breaks loose, will they be smart enough to see the danger in what they created, or will they still support the oppressor?

Based on what I've seen of Hussein's base, I'd say a large majority are pissed at being deceived.

Quote from: Solar on April 25, 2014, 05:41:27 AM
So where will the idiot libs fit in, in all of this?
Think about it, they are literally the enablers of those wanting to usurp their freedoms and Liberty, yet here they are taking the side of the oppressor.

So at what point will the lab rats wake up and realize, that they too are in the cage next to us, and the lab techs are the Dim party Marxists?

I mean when all Hell breaks loose, will they be smart enough to see the danger in what they created, or will they still support the oppressor?

Based on what I've seen of Hussein's base, I'd say a large majority are pissed at being deceived.

Maybe they believe hoodlums willing to gun down children from speeding cars, will make a good army! In reality, I would just arm the inhabitants of these neighborhoods - who are enormously tired of being left helpless at the hands of these thugs. And that won't even be helped by releasing an "army" of thugs from the prisons.

Quote from: mdgiles on April 25, 2014, 05:47:43 AM
Maybe they believe hoodlums willing to gun down children from speeding cars, will make a good army! In reality, I would just arm the inhabitants of these neighborhoods - who are enormously tired of being left helpless at the hands of these thugs. And that won't even be helped by releasing an "army" of thugs from the prisons.

Hmmmm. a built in army. release the prisoners, arm them, point them towards the enemy.
Makes room for govt prisoners of war, assuming we actually care to take any.

Quote from: Solar on April 25, 2014, 05:53:42 AM
Hmmmm. a built in army. release the prisoners, arm them, point them towards the enemy.
Makes room for govt prisoners of war, assuming we actually care to take any.

How are those prisoners in Gitmo doing. I believe that was the original plan, that's why they wanted them in prisons in the states, cause they knew those guards weren't going to let them out if the fecal matter, struck the cooling device.

Quote from: Solar on April 25, 2014, 05:41:27 AM
So where will the idiot libs fit in, in all of this?
Think about it, they are literally the enablers of those wanting to usurp their freedoms and Liberty, yet here they are taking the side of the oppressor.

So at what point will the lab rats wake up and realize, that they too are in the cage next to us, and the lab techs are the Dim party Marxists?

I mean when all Hell breaks loose, will they be smart enough to see the danger in what they created, or will they still support the oppressor?

Based on what I've seen of Hussein's base, I'd say a large majority are pissed at being deceived.

They cannot undo decades of momentum without openly challenging their very belief system. I believe the intellectuals will engage in feats of triple-think not seen since the early Cold War era and convince themselves Obama cracked under the strain of his reelection campaign and never achieved the true unvarnished glory that was due to his magnificence in foreign policy and domestic rehabilitation.

Is okay. You can grab the airline bag. I'll wait.

How they'll explain an epic loss in both House and Senate is another matter.