--Christmas cards.
The liberal/progressive democrats are trying to force their agenda into the heads of our next generation.
Those of us seeing schools as propaganda organs of the radical left will not be surprised by this, betcha.
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/virginia-school-bans-jesus-christmas-concert/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=criticalimpact&utm_campaign=TPI_101718_Morning_Newsletter&utm_content=e5252b460855fe7fa6473c7b9fa19141&source=CI
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QuoteWhere is the word "diversity" mentioned in the US Constitution? How about words like "multi-culturalism"; "discrimination"; "inclusivness" etc. Where are they mentioned? The US Constitution guarantees FREEDOM OF RELIGION not FREEDOM FROM RELIGION. Wasn't celebrating Christmas the norm when the founders founded the USA?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEVYxjTD5Ek
Quote from: Belenus on October 17, 2018, 10:43:17 AM
--Christmas cards.
The liberal/progressive democrats are trying to force their agenda into the heads of our next generation.
Those of us seeing schools as propaganda organs of the radical left will not be surprised by this, betcha.
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/virginia-school-bans-jesus-christmas-concert/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=criticalimpact&utm_campaign=TPI_101718_Morning_Newsletter&utm_content=e5252b460855fe7fa6473c7b9fa19141&source=CI
Were I young enough to have children, I assure you my children would not be allowed to participate, and I would be contacting
every parent I knew to not attend.
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walks
By diversity they mean transgendered elves, lesbian reindeer and Mrs. Clause is a radical feminist.
(https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/afb101718dAPR20181017024538.jpg)
QuoteThe US Constitution guarantees FREEDOM OF RELIGION not FREEDOM FROM RELIGION.
The 1st amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...." While this will affect christians most often in the USA, it also affects other religions. Do you want your local school putting on a satanism skit/program? Probably not, the 1st amendment is protecting you there too.
QuoteWasn't celebrating Christmas the norm when the founders founded the USA?
It depends on what you mean by the words "celebrating" and "norm" and who was observing Christmas. It also varies from source to source. American was a diverse collection of people and sects even back in the 18th century.
http://www.revolutionarywararchives.org/christmasthen.html
Ranb
Quote from: Ranb on October 19, 2018, 12:07:33 PM
The 1st amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...." While this will affect christians most often in the USA, it also affects other religions. Do you want your local school putting on a satanism skit/program? Probably not, the 1st amendment is protecting you there too.
It depends on what you mean by the words "celebrating" and "norm" and who was observing Christmas. It also varies from source to source. American was a diverse collection of people and sects even back in the 18th century.
http://www.revolutionarywararchives.org/christmasthen.html
Ranb
No, the way Liberals treat their Freedom Of Speech vs. Conservative's freedom Of Speech, our "Freedom Of Religion" is treated like "Freedom Of Religion"
Ben Shapiro says it best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o060w7URvAw&t=4622s
The pink haired Liberal whore is trying to ruin Christmas fun for kids. It's just about a performing on stage which it celebratory in nature. I though you Liberals loved show tunes.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on October 20, 2018, 10:53:06 AM
No, the way Liberals treat their Freedom Of Speech vs. Conservative's freedom Of Speech, our "Freedom Of Religion" is treated like "Freedom Of Religion"
I replied to your post about Christmas, diversity and freedom of religion vs freedom from religion. Tell me more about how Christmas was or was not celebrated years ago. Why do you oppose diversity now that black people are legally human instead of 3/5ths human?
Quote from: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 12:58:39 PM
I replied to your post about Christmas, diversity and freedom of religion vs freedom from religion. Tell me more about how Christmas was or was not celebrated years ago. Why do you oppose diversity now that black people are legally human instead of 3/5ths human?
Why do you think black people were only 3/5ths human?
I am almost 100 year old. If I were to think that way growing up. I would have had the shit kick out of me.
Quote from: walkstall on October 20, 2018, 01:18:02 PM
Why do you think black people were only 3/5ths human?
I don't. I was asking why someone else opposed diversity. The 3/5th compromise was proposed by James Wilson and Roger Sherman at a constitutional convention back in 1787. https://www.conservapedia.com/Three-Fifths_Compromise
QuoteI am almost 100 year old. If I were to think that way growing up. I would have had the shit kick out of me.
As would I. :)
Quote from: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 12:58:39 PM
I replied to your post about Christmas, diversity and freedom of religion vs freedom from religion. Tell me more about how Christmas was or was not celebrated years ago. Why do you oppose diversity now that black people are legally human instead of 3/5ths human?
Freedom Of Religion means we are free to go to church, or not. We can perform in a Christmas play, or not. Listed to Christmas music, or not. You Liberals push it as Freedom From Religion, and will do any thing in your power to accomplish it.
Can't have the store clerks say "Merry Christmas". Might offend the Liberals.
Since Democrats were the ones fighting to keep the slaves, you are the ones who treat them as incomplete humans. You Liberals treat them like that physically in the past, now you treat them like that mentally in the present.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on October 20, 2018, 03:03:04 PM
Freedom Of Religion means we are free to go to church, or not. We can perform in a Christmas play, or not. Listed to Christmas music, or not.
Of course it does. Who is stopping you?
QuoteYou Liberals push it as Freedom From Religion, and will do any thing in your power to accomplish it.
You call me a liberal, but I think you don't know what it means. How do you define liberal as it's related to a political position?
Exactly what did I say on this forum that leads you to believe I'm a liberal? It would be nice if you could use the quote function instead of your imagination.
QuoteCan't have the store clerks say "Merry Christmas". Might offend the Liberals.
Where is this happening? I hear the words Merry Christmas at the store and elsewhere during the holiday season. I've heard claims about the big "war on Christmas" but I think it's a bunch of crap. I think the people crowing about it are saying, "Look, I'm oppressed and doing something about it! Pay attention to me!" :)
QuoteSince Democrats were the ones fighting to keep the slaves, you are the ones who treat them as incomplete humans. You Liberals treat them like that physically in the past, now you treat them like that mentally in the present.
I'm not a democrat either. I don't vote the party line but on the position each candidate takes.
I live in western WA by the way. It's a blue state but I'm trying to change it. I'm rather active in local politics when I can get away from work. I was able to get both of my democrat representatives in Olympia to co-sponsor silencer and short barreled rifle bills; they had previously been on the fence. But a short meeting and showing them my years of research on crime associated with silencers and short barreled rifles was what it took to get their support.
Quote from: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 06:10:11 PM
Where is this happening? I hear the words Merry Christmas at the store and elsewhere during the holiday season. I've heard claims about the big "war on Christmas" but I think it's a bunch of crap. I think the people crowing about it are saying, "Look, I'm oppressed and doing something about it! Pay attention to me!" :)
It's being said more now. It was noticeable last season. Christmas is a cherished tradition here in the US, and to move away from it is anti-American.
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I'm not a democrat either. I don't vote the party line but on the position each candidate takes.
Yes you are.
Quote from: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 06:10:11 PM
Of course it does. Who is stopping you?
You call me a liberal, but I think you don't know what it means. How do you define liberal as it's related to a political position?
Exactly what did I say on this forum that leads you to believe I'm a liberal? It would be nice if you could use the quote function instead of your imagination.
Where is this happening? I hear the words Merry Christmas at the store and elsewhere during the holiday season. I've heard claims about the big "war on Christmas" but I think it's a bunch of crap. I think the people crowing about it are saying, "Look, I'm oppressed and doing something about it! Pay attention to me!" :)
I'm not a democrat either. I don't vote the party line but on the position each candidate takes.
I live in western WA by the way. It's a blue state but I'm trying to change it. I'm rather active in local politics when I can get away from work. I was able to get both of my democrat representatives in Olympia to co-sponsor silencer and short barreled rifle bills; they had previously been on the fence. But a short meeting and showing them my years of research on crime associated with silencers and short barreled rifles was what it took to get their support.
You could of fooled us on the Liberal part. Only a Liberal would deny what the Democrats are doing. We are not blind.
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Solar, Liberal?
Quote from: taxed on October 20, 2018, 06:14:06 PM
It's being said more now. It was noticeable last season. Christmas is a cherished tradition here in the US, and to move away from it is anti-American.
So you are in favor of the government establishing a religion?
QuoteYes you are.
So a person is a democrat if they fail to vote straight GOP all the time? I think lots of democrats would disagree with you. I post on other forums to shine a light on the problems associated with our right to keep and bear arms. On those forums I'm the ultra conservative gun nut. :)
Quote from: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 06:28:51 PM
So you are in favor of the government establishing a religion?
No. Nobody said that.
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So a person is a democrat if they fail to vote straight GOP all the time?
No.
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I think lots of democrats would disagree with you.
Of course they would. Democrats are stupid, by and large.
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I post on other forums to shine a light on the problems associated with our right to keep and bear arms. On those forums I'm the ultra conservative gun nut. :)
Here, you seems like a pro-gun Dem... like Bernie Sanders.
Quote from: taxed on October 20, 2018, 06:31:35 PM
No. Nobody said that.
I think you said it when you claimed "Christmas is a cherished tradition here in the US, and to move away from it is anti-American".
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Here, you seems like a pro-gun Dem... like Bernie Sanders.
So if I post pro-gun threads on this forum, it is okay, but if I do it on a liberal forum then I'm a liberal? I think it is mostly a waste of time preaching to the choir. I'd rather educate those who support anti-gun legislation. I don't think I'm going to find many anti-gun zealots here, or am I wrong?
Quote from: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 06:42:27 PM
I think
Wrong.
Quoteyou said it when
Wrong.
Quoteyou claimed "Christmas is a cherished tradition here in the US,
Correct.
Quoteand to move away from it is anti-American".
Correct.
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So if I post pro-gun threads on this forum, it is okay, but if I do it on a liberal forum then I'm a liberal?
No. You're a Democrat.
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I think it is mostly a waste of time preaching to the choir. I'd rather educate those who support anti-gun legislation. I don't think I'm going to find many anti-gun zealots here, or am I wrong?
Of course we're all pro-Second Amendment.
Quote from: taxed on October 20, 2018, 06:45:15 PM
Of course we're all pro-Second Amendment.
Do you have an opinion on why Trump has failed to push any pro-gun legislation like the Hearing Protection Act and instead has talked at least twice about restricting bump stocks?
I think Trump will do less for us gun owners than Obama. The Obama administration passed laws/regs easing restrictions on guns in parks and on trains as well as regulation 41P for NFA firearms.
Obama talked the big talk but failed to pass any meaningful anti-gun legislation. His numerous executive orders and executive actions were for the most part meaningless crap. He did pass a rule requiring the Social Security Administration to report disability benefit recipients with mental health problems to the FBI's bkgd check system, but Trump rescinded the rule in 2017.
Quote from: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 06:55:14 PM
Do you have an opinion on why Trump has failed to push any pro-gun legislation like the Hearing Protection Act and instead has talked at least twice about restricting bump stocks?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221
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I think Trump will do less for us gun owners than Obama.
That's one of the stupidest things I've heard in a while.
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The Obama administration passed laws/regs easing restrictions on guns in parks and on trains as well as regulation 41P for NFA firearms.
He also eased them for Mexico:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/atf-fast-furious-sg-storygallery.html
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Obama talked the big talk but failed to pass any meaningful anti-gun legislation. His numerous executive orders and executive actions were for the most part meaningless crap. He did pass a rule requiring the Social Security Administration to report disability benefit recipients with mental health problems to the FBI's bkgd check system, but Trump rescinded the rule in 2017.
President Trump hasn't even been in office for 2 years.
Quote from: taxed on October 20, 2018, 07:09:08 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221
I'm familiar with what he did there. I mentioned at the end of my last post.
QuoteThat's one of the stupidest things I've heard in a while.
Care to wager on what Trump does for us? I bet we don't get any significant restrictions eased while Trump is in office. I'd like to see the Hughes amendment revoked, silencers removed from the NFA registry, the NFA tax eliminated and CCW reciprocity at a minimum.
QuoteHe also eased them for Mexico:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/atf-fast-furious-sg-storygallery.html
Too bad no one went to jail for that.
QuotePresident Trump hasn't even been in office for 2 years.
I prefer to think of it as "Trump has been in office over 18 months and we still don't have anything of substance from him on the RKBA". Yeah it's tough, but that's why he is the president.
Quote from: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 07:21:47 PM
Care to wager on what Trump does for us? I bet we don't get any significant restrictions eased while Trump is in office.
I bet your wrong.
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I'd like to see the Hughes amendment revoked,
So would I. All we need to do is get Congress behind us.
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silencers removed from the NFA registry,
I'm confident that will get passed. DJT Jr is behind it as well.
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the NFA tax eliminated and CCW reciprocity at a minimum.
I'd love that too. Unlike you, I don't hold that against the President.
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Too bad no one went to jail for that.
Yet.
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I prefer to think of it as "Trump has been in office over 18 months and we still don't have anything of substance from him on the RKBA". Yeah it's tough, but that's why he is the president.
I'm sorry he isn't moving fast enough for you. He's been busy saving the country. We have plenty of time and he'll get to it. Quit being a little baby just because it's your pet issue. Eliminating the income tax is mine, and that isn't done yet. No worries, I won't cry like a little baby, and am happy with the direction of things.
I don't think anyone will go to jail over Clinton's misuse of e-mail or the ATF's gun trafficking. While Trump made big noise about "Hillary for Prison", it was only an election ploy. As much as they deserve punishment, Trump is not going to do anything about it in my opinion.
Quote from: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 07:37:15 PM
I don't think anyone will go to jail over Clinton's misuse of e-mail or the ATF's gun trafficking. While Trump made big noise about "Hillary for Prison", it was only an election ploy. As much as they deserve punishment, Trump is not going to do anything about it in my opinion.
Keep believing that.
Quote from: taxed on October 20, 2018, 06:45:15 PM
No. You're a Democrat.
Ben Shapiro talks about the difference between Liberals and Leftists. I don't. Both vote against me. One is just more aggressive than the other.
If a Liberal had come here and discussed things in a nicer manner, there would be a different type of discussion.
This guy is a leftist. A get in your face, go to a Conservative forum to argue and troll Leftist.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on October 20, 2018, 07:46:02 PM
Ben Shapiro talks about the difference between Liberals and Leftists. I don't. Both vote against me. One is just more aggressive than the other.
If a Liberal had come here and discussed things in a nicer manner, there would be a different type of discussion.
This guy is a leftist. A get in your face, go to a Conservative forum to argue and troll Leftist.
It's up to him, if he wants to make a point, to do it intelligently. Just complaining that things aren't done, therefore, won't get done is lame. He's a Dem.
Quote from: taxed on October 20, 2018, 07:48:16 PM
It's up to him, if he wants to make a point, to do it intelligently. Just complaining that things aren't done, therefore, won't get done is lame. He's a Dem.
He's a Leftist. Call them what they are. Not the first to join this forum, will not be the last.
Quote from: taxed on October 20, 2018, 07:48:16 PM
It's up to him, if he wants to make a point, to do it intelligently. Just complaining that things aren't done, therefore, won't get done is lame. He's a Dem.
I like em, he makes people think, this is always good to be challenged, it drags people out of their safety zone.
It's why we do Disquss or go to the DU on occasion. :biggrin:
Quote from: Solar on October 20, 2018, 07:56:54 PM
I like em, he makes people think, this is always good to be challenged, it drags people out of their safety zone.
It's why we do Disquss or go to the DU on occasion. :biggrin:
I like him too. I'm going to try and house-train him.
Quote from: taxed on October 20, 2018, 08:03:12 PM
I like him too. I'm going to try and house-train him.
That's why we built a castle with rock floors, and a dungeon with dirt floors. Easy to clean, regardless.
Quote from: Solar on October 20, 2018, 08:04:58 PM
That's why we built a castle with rock floors, and a dungeon with dirt floors. Easy to clean, regardless.
I wish he'd quit running to the dungeon and would just grab a beer out of the fridge.
Quote from: taxed on October 20, 2018, 07:40:35 PM
Keep believing that.
I'll believe it when Trump actually gets off his ass and does something. :) So far he's all talk and no action on the subject.
Quote from: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 08:22:30 PM
I'll believe it when Trump actually gets off his ass and does something. :) So far he's all talk and no action on the subject.
He's not a king. I'm perfectly happy letting the DOJ investigate the email fiasco.
Quote from: taxed on October 20, 2018, 08:28:21 PM
He's not a king. I'm perfectly happy letting the DOJ investigate the email fiasco.
I think the DOJ/FBI went as far as they're going to go with Comey's refusal to indict Clinton. I think Trump's firing of Comey is the most he will do as far as acting on Clinton's e-mail crimes are concerned.
Quote from: Ranb on October 19, 2018, 12:07:33 PM
The 1st amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...." While this will affect christians most often in the USA, it also affects other religions. Do you want your local school putting on a satanism skit/program? Probably not, the 1st amendment is protecting you there too.
It depends on what you mean by the words "celebrating" and "norm" and who was observing Christmas. It also varies from source to source. American was a diverse collection of people and sects even back in the 18th century.
http://www.revolutionarywararchives.org/christmasthen.html
Ranb
I suggest you grab a dictionary and a decent History text.
"It depends on what you mean by the words "celebrating" and "norm" and who was observing Christmas. It also varies from source to source. American was a diverse collection of people and sects even back in the 18th century. "
(Neat little parsing exercise you wish to lay down. No participants, sorry.)
For those of you who may wonder, this was around Richmond which has become almost like Berkely Campus in California over the past few years. Timmy Boy Kaine land. I expect this sort of Nonsense in Northern Virginia with all the Muslims who are "offended" by mentioning Christ but Richmond has loads and Loads of Hispanics, mostly illegal who start celebrating CHristmas in September. So the Culture clash is going to be interesting.... :popcorn:
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on October 21, 2018, 05:58:23 AM
.... Richmond has loads and Loads of Hispanics, mostly illegal who start celebrating CHristmas in September. So the Culture clash is going to be interesting....
I used to live in VA, never saw anyone celebrating Christmas in September. You actually watch it being celebrated there that early?
Quote from: Ranb on October 21, 2018, 09:17:29 AM
I used to live in VA, never saw anyone celebrating Christmas in September. You actually watch it being celebrated there that early?
Of Course, just today I saw houses near Harrisonburg with Christmas decorations, Lights etc. Hispanic people start celebrating Christmas in months that end in "BER" in honor of DecemBER. Oveseas we used to hear Christmas Music and Carols played on the radio stations in September. All of us Xpats used to laugh about it.
I am in no way for pushing religion on people, but we should be teaching kids to be tolerant of other religions instead of trying to shield them from it as if it were to be a bad thing. I went to a Catholic middle school and while we did not practice other religions we did learn about Islam and Judaism, Buddhism and Hinduism as well. The PC culture is destroying tolerance and understanding of other viewpoints the way I see it.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on October 21, 2018, 05:04:27 PM
Of Course, just today I saw houses near Harrisonburg with Christmas decorations, Lights etc. Hispanic people start celebrating Christmas in months that end in "BER" in honor of DecemBER. Oveseas we used to hear Christmas Music and Carols played on the radio stations in September. All of us Xpats used to laugh about it.
:biggrin:
RioLinda has them up year round, but not because they like Christmas, they bought the house that way and never took them down. :lol:
And no, I'm not kidding, 40 years later and my friend who live there still calls and we laugh about it. They use them during parties in the summer. :blink:
Quote from: ConservativeInCT on October 21, 2018, 07:48:14 PM
I am in no way for pushing religion on people, but we should be teaching kids to be tolerant of other religions instead of trying to shield them from it as if it were to be a bad thing. I went to a Catholic middle school and while we did not practice other religions we did learn about Islam and Judaism, Buddhism and Hinduism as well. The PC culture is destroying tolerance and understanding of other viewpoints the way I see it.
Having tolerance doesn't mean acceptance. Tolerance means you don't attack someone (physically nor verbally) but it doesn't mean being forced to call a tranny what they want to be called. Diversity is nothing but forcing things on the rest of people while punishing the majority.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on October 21, 2018, 08:48:00 PM
.... Diversity is nothing but forcing things on the rest of people while punishing the majority.
Actually diversity is a noun whose synonyms include variety and mixture. You are trying to make it into a verb like force. Assigning alternate and obtuse definitions to a word to win an argument is lame.
When you play the victim and claim that a minority can punish you, the "majority"; it only demeans you.
Quote from: Ranb on October 22, 2018, 05:04:40 AM
Actually diversity is a noun whose synonyms include variety and mixture. You are trying to make it into a verb like force. Assigning alternate and obtuse definitions to a word to win an argument is lame.
When you play the victim and claim that a minority can punish you, the "majority"; it only demeans you.
It's called American culture, the American dream, the belief, that only in America is the individual afforded certain protections, regardless of race, creed or religion.
This is what he is talking about, and if you're not here to share in our culture, then you're an invader.
Fuck your definition of diversity, there is something far bigger here, and it's called being an American first.
Quote from: Solar on October 22, 2018, 05:32:52 AM
It's called American culture, the American dream, the belief, that only in America is the individual afforded certain protections, regardless of race, creed or religion.
Actually it is being able to communicate effectively in the English language. But if English is not your first language, then I'll stop being so picky about how you use it.
QuoteThis is what he is talking about, and if you're not here to share in our culture, then you're an invader.
Fuck your definition of diversity, there is something far bigger here, and it's called being an American first.
It is not my definition. Unlike some people here I actually know how to look up the definition of a word in an English language dictionary.
Quotedi·ver·si·ty
/dəˈvərsədē,dīˈvərsədē/
noun
noun: diversity
the state of being diverse; variety.
"there was considerable diversity in the style of the reports"
•a range of different things.
plural noun: diversities
"newspapers were obliged to allow a diversity of views to be printed"
synonyms: variety, miscellany, assortment, mixture, mix, mélange, range, array, multiplicity; More
variation, variance, diversification, heterogeneity, difference, contrast
"a diversity of design styles"
antonyms: uniformity
Don't tell me who or what to copulate with. Your anger is going to imbalance you and not earn you any points in a debate. Perhaps you should think a bit before you resort to profanity instead of reason.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on October 21, 2018, 08:48:00 PM
Having tolerance doesn't mean acceptance. Tolerance means you don't attack someone (physically nor verbally) but it doesn't mean being forced to call a tranny what they want to be called. Diversity is nothing but forcing things on the rest of people while punishing the majority.
That's exactly the point I was trying to make. I'm not saying we have to fold to the majority but understanding of other peoples cultures, religions, and viewpoints is just what I was taught as a kid.
Quote from: Ranb on October 22, 2018, 06:09:05 AM
Actually it is being able to communicate effectively in the English language. But if English is not your first language, then I'll stop being so picky about how you use it.
Actually, it's a shared ideal regardless of where on comes from, knowing they can invest in a Conservative belief of equality.
QuoteIt is not my definition. Unlike some people here I actually know how to look up the definition of a word in an English language dictionary.
That's it, just move the goal post, but we all know you were originally referring to the leftists version of "diversity".
QuoteDon't tell me who or what to copulate with. Your anger is going to imbalance you and not earn you any points in a debate. Perhaps you should think a bit before you resort to profanity instead of reason.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You think that's anger, snowflake? I speak like this all the time. It comes from dealing with leftists like yourself being to thick headed to see the damage being done to this country by Marxists of all stripes.
Until you understand their is no such thing as "Compromising" with the left, meaning, you give up your values and ideals in appeasement, you're destined to failure.
Quote from: Solar on October 22, 2018, 08:53:44 AM
Actually, it's a shared ideal regardless of where on comes from, knowing they can invest in a Conservative belief of equality.
That is how you define diversity? If so, then I disagree.
QuoteThat's it, just move the goal post, but we all know you were originally referring to the leftists version of "diversity".
I was not shifting a goalpost, I was providing a nearly universally accepted definition of the word diversity.
QuoteYou think that's anger, snowflake? I speak like this all the time. It comes from dealing with leftists like yourself being to thick headed to see the damage being done to this country by Marxists of all stripes.
Yes I think it's anger. I not about to kiss your behind on this forum and I think that upsets you.
Of course a meaningful conversation cannot be had without the words used having the same meaning to all parties.
So, DIVERSITY.. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/diversity
When even "innocent until proven guilty" is not universally accepted by all parties (dems/socialists/progressives think accusation is enough for guilt), we should not be surprised some folks disagree on the meanings of lesser concepts and meanings, right?
Quote from: ConservativeInCT on October 22, 2018, 07:21:54 AM
That's exactly the point I was trying to make. I'm not saying we have to fold to the majority but understanding of other peoples cultures, religions, and viewpoints is just what I was taught as a kid.
American values come first. Being diverse enough to eat tacos or kebabs is an independent decision, but it doesn't mean we should have everything with Spanish on it nor want to hear that God-awful music everywhere.
If I go to one of those places that has the chicken, I understand that there might be a Spanish soccer game on or hear that music. I made that choice. If I go to Burger King, I do not want to hear that music.
Diversity is the magical, mythical, fabulous fake construct of the left, where every last belief, culture, color, self-delusion ..... gets perfect representation and free stuff, in society and the economy.
It's a sweet dream that is OK for a child to fixate on, but when an adult can't get over it, it's a mental illness. It's impossible in human existence.
People prefer to be around other people like them, and tend to avoid people unlike them. Are there outliers ? Sure, some wonderful people will create a wonderful melting pot here and there. But the overwhelming majority of people are as I describe.
Forcing diversity onto everybody is a classic attempt by the left to "make everybody do what I want them to do", and nothing more. Another leftist mental illness.
You can't re-program this internal programming of humans, though that is also a dumbass pre-occupation of leftists as well.
The best attempt ever made at equality or the ethereal possibility of "diversity" ................. The United States of America. The founders created a world where anybody could do anything, own anything, become anything.
Perfect equality and diversity of opportunity, and potential. Never to be forced on anybody, or distorted by power-hungry collectivists, who need a collective to consolidate power.
Nothing's perfect. In the beginning the US constitution, society, and govt did prescribe to archaic, barbaric beliefs about different types of people. But we just happen to be the only country ever to beat the hell out of ourselves to make it right. And bent over backwards to make amends.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on October 22, 2018, 09:54:15 AM
American values come first. Being diverse enough to eat tacos or kebabs is an independent decision, but it doesn't mean we should have everything with Spanish on it nor want to hear that God-awful music everywhere.
Everything in Spanish would be the opposite of diverse.
Everything has Spanish on it as well. You Liberals will argue that English isn't our main language even though everything is written in English and we speak it. Don't need a government declaration to indicate we are an English speaking nation. We don't care how many illegals are here. We speak English.
Quote from: AndyJackson on October 22, 2018, 09:57:58 AM
Diversity is the magical, mythical, fabulous fake construct of the left, where every last belief, culture, color, self-delusion ..... gets perfect representation and free stuff, in society and the economy.
It's a sweet dream that is OK for a child to fixate on, but when an adult can't get over it, it's a mental illness. It's impossible in human existence.
People prefer to be around other people like them, and tend to avoid people unlike them. Are there outliers ? Sure, some wonderful people will create a wonderful melting pot here and there. But the overwhelming majority of people are as I describe.
Forcing diversity onto everybody is a classic attempt by the left to "make everybody do what I want them to do", and nothing more. Another leftist mental illness.
You can't re-program this internal programming of humans, though that is also a dumbass pre-occupation of leftists as well.
The best attempt ever made at equality or the ethereal possibility of "diversity" ................. The United States of America. The founders created a world where anybody could do anything, own anything, become anything.
Perfect equality and diversity of opportunity, and potential. Never to be forced on anybody, or distorted by power-hungry collectivists, who need a collective to consolidate power.
Nothing's perfect. In the beginning the US constitution, society, and govt did prescribe to archaic, barbaric beliefs about different types of people. But we just happen to be the only country ever to beat the hell out of ourselves to make it right. And bent over backwards to make amends.
As I see it the left has effectively redefined the term diversity to fit their leftist agenda of divide and conquer. Our country has always had diversity. Just as an example, Americans of Italian and Irish descent cherish their backgrounds, but their purpose for originally being here was to be part of the American dream. Each group is diverse, but also included in the bigger picture of being an American. Diversity is fine as long as it is not used as a tool to divide America and that is what we are experiencing now.
Quote from: supsalemgr on October 22, 2018, 10:52:33 AM
As I see it the left has effectively redefined the term diversity to fit their leftist agenda of divide and conquer. Our country has always had diversity. Just as an example, Americans of Italian and Irish descent cherish their backgrounds, but their purpose for originally being here was to be part of the American dream. Each group is diverse, but also included in the bigger picture of being an American. Diversity is fine as long as it is not used as a tool to divide America and that is what we are experiencing now.
Surely 'diversity' has, like many, many other words, been rte-defined by the glib ignoramuses of the left in their race to stu;pify everyone while insisting only THEY know the real meanings, the real truths.
Remember that German sign over the entrance to one of the Death Camps- "Work shall set you free"? As if anyone set into those environs controlled by those savages was ever to be "set free". :mad:
Quote from: AndyJackson on October 22, 2018, 09:57:58 AM
It's a sweet dream that is OK for a child to fixate on, but when an adult can't get over it, it's a mental illness. It's impossible in human existence.
This does not jive with this;
QuotePeople prefer to be around other people like them, and tend to avoid people unlike them. Are there outliers ? Sure, some wonderful people will create a wonderful melting pot here and there. But the overwhelming majority of people are as I describe.
My family is a mix of European, Asian and African. I like it.
QuoteForcing diversity onto everybody is a classic attempt by the left to "make everybody do what I want them to do", and nothing more. Another leftist mental illness.
How have you been forced to "diversify"?
QuoteYou can't re-program this internal programming of humans, though that is also a dumbass pre-occupation of leftists as well.
I think your "internal programming" idea is incorrect.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on October 22, 2018, 10:11:33 AM
Everything has Spanish on it as well.
Not where I live. Where do you live that everything has Spanish on it?
QuoteYou Liberals will argue that English isn't our main language even though everything is written in English and we speak it.
I have never seen that argument anywhere. How about you show us anyone who says this.
While there is no official language in the USA, immigrants are expected to be fluent in English prior to being naturalized. This does not apply to certain elderly immigrants or some disabled persons.
Quote from: Belenus on October 22, 2018, 11:39:17 AM
Surely 'diversity' has, like many, many other words, been rte-defined by the glib ignoramuses of the left in their race to stu;pify everyone while insisting only THEY know the real meanings, the real truths.
Remember that German sign over the entrance to one of the Death Camps- "Work shall set you free"? As if anyone set into those environs controlled by those savages was ever to be "set free". :mad:
:thumbup: Where as most conservatives I know judge people and groups of people by their character rather than by
traits such as skin color, the term "diversity" seems to have taken on a new meaning which focus's on those traits. As a small example, if I was to gather a group to discuss how to solve a city problem I would see diversity as getting people with education in different fields. Others would see diversity of the group similar to a box of crayons, everyone should be a different color, and of course now we need all 10 or 12 sexes. The dictionary seems to miss this subtle difference as how people might see diversity. Another small ex. Elizabeth claimed "Indian" blood in order to get in to harvard, that's the left version of diversity,
had she used her intellect,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,never mind.
The last few times I was in a crowd of people arguing/discussing the merits of various subjects, it was a very diverse crowd. While the crowd was almost all caucasian, the bkgd's and politics varied greatly. It was about keeping a rifle range open in Kitsap County and establishing a shooting area in the Tahuya Forest.
When I speak in committee in Olympia it is also very diverse. Emotions poured out at times, usually from the anti-gun zealots.
Quote from: Ranb on October 22, 2018, 01:50:03 PM
This does not jive with this;My family is a mix of European, Asian and African. I like it.
How have you been forced to "diversify"?
I think your "internal programming" idea is incorrect.
There's no inconsistency in the 2 things you compared, you're just making shit up.
I am forced to accept the stupidity of forced diversity every time some moron claims that I must abide by their childish ideas, and that I'm hateful for disagreeing. Just STFU, do your own thing which I will not interfere with, and GTFO out of my thing.
I've worked at a HBCU for decades, I've been married into a Mexican-American family for ~ 30 years, and I've lived in Korea. I'm a plain old white guy who has loved every minute of it; you have nothing to tell me.
People are born with certain proclivities, then environment continues to work on them. It's natural for people to seek like people unconsciously. Doesn't mean it's right or wrong, it just happens. If someone pursues a diverse setting and eclectic people & things, that's great. And nobody should be demonized for doing the opposite, if they do so quietly and decently.
The left these days wants to criminalize even having such thoughts or beliefs, let alone actually doing anything like it.
He is one of those Liberals who argue you to death even though he has nothing to do with the subject.
What is he? Another white Liberal? Same type of asshat I have encountered on other non-politcal forums.
Quote from: AndyJackson on October 22, 2018, 04:31:30 PM
I am forced to accept the stupidity of forced diversity every time some moron claims that I must abide by their childish ideas, and that I'm hateful for disagreeing.
Then don't accept it. Is it really that hard to live as you choose instead of how some moron says you must?
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on October 22, 2018, 05:25:07 PM
He is one of those Liberals who argue you to death even though he has nothing to do with the subject.
What is he? Another white Liberal? Same type of asshat I have encountered on other non-politcal forums.
Insults are the last refuge of the incompetent.
Should Santa be gender fluid?
Quote from: The Boo Man... on October 22, 2018, 05:37:42 PM
Should Santa be gender fluid?
I might not object. :)
https://tminx.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/mcgriff.jpg
Quote from: Ranb on October 22, 2018, 05:54:35 PM
I might not object. :)
https://tminx.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/mcgriff.jpg
Isn't that a Jimmy McGriff LP?
Might be. I just typed in "black woman santa" in google images. :)
Quote from: Ranb on October 22, 2018, 06:05:16 PM
Might be. I just typed in "black woman santa" in google images. :)
:lol: Is that the best google could do?
Probably not, but I also searched for "sexy santa" and found mostly what I would call slutty santa.
Quote from: Ranb on October 22, 2018, 05:31:18 PM
Then don't accept it. Is it really that hard to live as you choose instead of how some moron says you must?
Really.
Somebody has the right to continually annoy the shit out of me, and it's my responsibility to deal with it. They don't have a responsibility to GTFO of my face and ears.
Classic liberal outlook. Nobody has a right to be free of your screeching and wailing and prancing and gyrating. Just supposed to put up with it as though you're a 4-year-old.
Sorry, not happening. I'll ask you nicely twice. Third time you'll be crying about how loud and horrible and dangerous I am.
Quote from: AndyJackson on October 22, 2018, 07:36:54 PM
Third time you'll be crying about how loud and horrible and dangerous I am.
Nope. This is an internet forum. Words can't hurt me.
Quote from: AndyJackson on October 22, 2018, 07:36:54 PM
Really.
Somebody has the right to continually annoy the shit out of me, and it's my responsibility to deal with it. They don't have a responsibility to GTFO of my face and ears.
Classic liberal outlook. Nobody has a right to be free of your screeching and wailing and prancing and gyrating. Just supposed to put up with it as though you're a 4-year-old.
Sorry, not happening. I'll ask you nicely twice. Third time you'll be crying about how loud and horrible and dangerous I am.
There is a growing number of reasonable adults who feel 'maxed out' with all the IN YOUR FACE prog/lib BS.
Every now and again even I-- ME! MYSELF!-- feel like 'do that once more and----'. :angry: