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I think everyone can get behind the notion that these cops did wrong, but that it has absolutely nothing to do with race. And that even if some police reform is needed, that should be kept out of the hands of the left at all costs who are just using this to push their narrative.

Did he have have a record of crime?

Quote from: T Hunt on January 31, 2023, 10:40:03 AMI think everyone can get behind the notion that these cops did wrong, but that it has absolutely nothing to do with race. And that even if some police reform is needed, that should be kept out of the hands of the left at all costs who are just using this to push their narrative.

That's because the left has an agenda of killing off functioning society.
Everyone knows the only race baiting comes from the left.

Yes, these cops were dead wrong and should pay the price.

Why did Tyree Run?  If he hadn't ran he'd likely be alive. Im not defending the cops or saying they were right to beat his ass to death but if he wouldn't have run he'd likely be alive

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on February 01, 2023, 05:38:19 AMWhy did Tyree Run?  If he hadn't ran he'd likely be alive. Im not defending the cops or saying they were right to beat his ass to death but if he wouldn't have run he'd likely be alive

From what I've read, he was custody, then being transferred to another facility, without permission.
He never made it.

I've seen that rumor also.  If true, that cop needs to spend life in prison.  If not true, they all still need to be in prison for a long time.

As of now, it appears to only be a rumor:

UPDATE:: Tyre Nichols worked at FEDEX; allegedly having sexual affairs with officer Demetrius Halys's ex, and his baby's mother who also works at the same FEDEX. Get this; officer Haly was seen several times taking photos of Tyre after he was brutalized and sent them to her!

The big word here....... "Allegedly!" my full intention is to hopefully get whatever assumptions are on the table and information to the proper authorities and they can conduct a thorough investigation... No legal investigative authority has disproved of any of this yet...

https://twitter.com/KeneAkers/status/1620173883067482115

Quote from: Solar on February 01, 2023, 05:42:48 AMFrom what I've read, he was custody, then being transferred to another facility, without permission.
He never made it.

The Videos are rather confusing, it starts just after the supposed traffic stop. It goes downhill from there; Tyree resists refuses to submit, runs off after grappling with arresting officers. It looks like they catch up to him after a foot chase a block or so away and start the ass whoopin' What I WANT to see is  video of the pre traffic stop, what caused the officer to stop him in the first place?  Is there a video of that?  If so why not show it? Could it be that Tyree's driving is so erratic and dangerous to constitute an arrest? Also since they are being so "open" about everything will we see a toxicology report of the autopsy? 

I've been keeping tabs on this case, it sounds like the whole dept is really screwed up, Starting with the Female chief of police who is controversial and incompetent and possible corrupt as another Departmental scandal emerges

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/30/memphis-police-chief-once-fired-from-atlanta-pd-over-botched-sex-crimes-probe/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/01/11/handgun-stolen-memphis-chief-police/

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on February 02, 2023, 05:39:47 AMThe Videos are rather confusing, it starts just after the supposed traffic stop. It goes downhill from there; Tyree resists refuses to submit, runs off after grappling with arresting officers. It looks like they catch up to him after a foot chase a block or so away and start the ass whoopin' What I WANT to see is  video of the pre traffic stop, what caused the officer to stop him in the first place?  Is there a video of that?  If so why not show it? Could it be that Tyree's driving is so erratic and dangerous to constitute an arrest? Also since they are being so "open" about everything will we see a toxicology report of the autopsy? 

I've been keeping tabs on this case, it sounds like the whole dept is really screwed up, Starting with the Female chief of police who is controversial and incompetent and possible corrupt as another Departmental scandal emerges

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/30/memphis-police-chief-once-fired-from-atlanta-pd-over-botched-sex-crimes-probe/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/01/11/handgun-stolen-memphis-chief-police/

Same here, the video, which I expected to be released in full never was. For a reason, and that was to help the narrative of police brutality.
This entire thing is so fucked up, and there is no excuse for beating him to death, assuming that was the real cause of death.

I'm not justifying their behavior, just saying, we only saw a small portion, and have yet to see a coroners report.
Something is fishy here.

Quote from: Solar on February 02, 2023, 07:29:41 AMSame here, the video, which I expected to be released in full never was. For a reason, and that was to help the narrative of police brutality.
This entire thing is so fucked up, and there is no excuse for beating him to death, assuming that was the real cause of death.

I'm not justifying their behavior, just saying, we only saw a small portion, and have yet to see a coroners report.
Something is fishy here.

If he knew this guy was connected to his girlfriend that might have been reason enough for him to not want to be arrested by this guy. However, they all seem like they were criminals at some point, him and the cops. Hard to take a side when they are all bad guys. But we have to be clear to point out that this is nothing like what the media is framing it even if the cops are wrong here.

What it comes down to me is the punching. Ive always said there is almost never a valid reason for a cop to be punching someone, not when general wrestling and submission moves like arm and wrist locks work WAY better at subduing someone, and usually with less long term damage as well. The wrestler usually beats the boxer.
And especially not if the cops have access to tasers or mace or greatly outnumber a small suspect.

Punching is an angry response and as a former soldier I fully expect professional cops to keep emotion out of the work place. That being said, it sounds like these were far from professional cops but were instead the bottom of the barrel as the dept had to lower standards just to get enough people to fill the job.

Ive said it before, if there is corruption to be found in police it is much more likely to be found in urban city cops as opposed to suburban or rural law enforcement. All police chiefs should be elected, not selected.

Quote from: T Hunt on February 02, 2023, 09:04:50 AMIf he knew this guy was connected to his girlfriend that might have been reason enough for him to not want to be arrested by this guy. However, they all seem like they were criminals at some point, him and the cops. Hard to take a side when they are all bad guys. But we have to be clear to point out that this is nothing like what the media is framing it even if the cops are wrong here.

What it comes down to me is the punching. Ive always said there is almost never a valid reason for a cop to be punching someone, not when general wrestling and submission moves like arm and wrist locks work WAY better at subduing someone, and usually with less long term damage as well. The wrestler usually beats the boxer.
And especially not if the cops have access to tasers or mace or greatly outnumber a small suspect.

Punching is an angry response and as a former soldier I fully expect professional cops to keep emotion out of the work place. That being said, it sounds like these were far from professional cops but were instead the bottom of the barrel as the dept had to lower standards just to get enough people to fill the job.

Ive said it before, if there is corruption to be found in police it is much more likely to be found in urban city cops as opposed to suburban or rural law enforcement. All police chiefs should be elected, not selected.

Just a few things since we are getting into my area of expertise as a former defensive tactics instructor for my Dept. One of things that we began to teach UNIFORMLY across the country was that you AVOID punching during an altercation. The reason for this is because depts across the country were transitioning from revolvers to semi automatics, which required a more articulate hand, punching a suspect especially in the head or face/jaw can injure your hand making using your service weapon difficult should it escalate to that. I was a great proponent of Judo/wrestling style takedowns with the joint locking techniques of Aikido/ jujitsu then immediate cuffing searching then get him into a transport and the hell out of there before a crowd shows up and starts shit. 

But in the late 90s the IACP (international Chiefs of Police) came up with the use of force continuum you can look it up on line that is what officers across the country are taught and has been FORCE POLICY for just about every Police dept as a model since the 90s.

I dont agree with some of it as one goes to verbal commands to use of a defensive weapon such as pepper spray (you get as much on you as on the suspect) or the collapsible baton (ASP) which will really injury a suspect with a tendency to break bones/bone chips. Grappling, wrestling Judo throws takedowns are discouraged. AS IS PUNCHING KICKING KNEEING THROWING ELBOWS ETC ETC. In some juridiction the VERY effective choke hold is Forbidden. The problem with This policy demands you keep whacking the suspect, usually in the thighs until he complies, gets on the ground face down and voluntarily puts his hands behind his back to comply.

If you watch the Rodney king Video this is exactly what the cops we doing and this is exactly the problem it creates, the cops spend too much time pepper spraying and beating him with the baton. Somebody should have grabbed his arm twisted it behind his back, cuffed him then ended it & got him into a transport.

I can see some elements of this policy in this recent video. Tyree is not complying, rolls around gets to his feet and dances around, taking hits. Cops are pepper spraying themselves, hitting him with the ASP punching him kicking him yet no one grabs him in a headlock holds him down while somebody else cuffs him. Five big bozos and they never get control of Tyre because they dont know how to effectively grapple or use submission holds, They are too busy whipping his ass.

I was against such policy or thought it should be modified incorporate the aforementioned techniques but the boneheaded upper management would have none of it. I can understand their point in a way because we were hiring 100 lb Police Women who aren't going to be that effective at grappling.

Forgive my rambling on but this issue hits home with me and I think a lot of unnecessary injuries to suspects even deaths are the result of a poor policy

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on February 01, 2023, 05:38:19 AMWhy did Tyree Run?  If he hadn't ran he'd likely be alive. Im not defending the cops or saying they were right to beat his ass to death but if he wouldn't have run he'd likely be alive

Did he have a criminal record?

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on February 02, 2023, 10:10:52 AMJust a few things since we are getting into my area of expertise as a former defensive tactics instructor for my Dept. One of things that we began to teach UNIFORMLY across the country was that you AVOID punching during an altercation. The reason for this is because depts across the country were transitioning from revolvers to semi automatics, which required a more articulate hand, punching a suspect especially in the head or face/jaw can injure your hand making using your service weapon difficult should it escalate to that. I was a great proponent of Judo/wrestling style takedowns with the joint locking techniques of Aikido/ jujitsu then immediate cuffing searching then get him into a transport and the hell out of there before a crowd shows up and starts shit. 

But in the late 90s the IACP (international Chiefs of Police) came up with the use of force continuum you can look it up on line that is what officers across the country are taught and has been FORCE POLICY for just about every Police dept as a model since the 90s.

I dont agree with some of it as one goes to verbal commands to use of a defensive weapon such as pepper spray (you get as much on you as on the suspect) or the collapsible baton (ASP) which will really injury a suspect with a tendency to break bones/bone chips. Grappling, wrestling Judo throws takedowns are discouraged. AS IS PUNCHING KICKING KNEEING THROWING ELBOWS ETC ETC. In some juridiction the VERY effective choke hold is Forbidden. The problem with This policy demands you keep whacking the suspect, usually in the thighs until he complies, gets on the ground face down and voluntarily puts his hands behind his back to comply.

If you watch the Rodney king Video this is exactly what the cops we doing and this is exactly the problem it creates, the cops spend too much time pepper spraying and beating him with the baton. Somebody should have grabbed his arm twisted it behind his back, cuffed him then ended it & got him into a transport.

I can see some elements of this policy in this recent video. Tyree is not complying, rolls around gets to his feet and dances around, taking hits. Cops are pepper spraying themselves, hitting him with the ASP punching him kicking him yet no one grabs him in a headlock holds him down while somebody else cuffs him. Five big bozos and they never get control of Tyre because they dont know how to effectively grapple or use submission holds, They are too busy whipping his ass.

I was against such policy or thought it should be modified incorporate the aforementioned techniques but the boneheaded upper management would have none of it. I can understand their point in a way because we were hiring 100 lb Police Women who aren't going to be that effective at grappling.

Forgive my rambling on but this issue hits home with me and I think a lot of unnecessary injuries to suspects even deaths are the result of a poor policy

I agree completely. Holds and locks all the way.

I am mad to hear that the official policies are so poorly thought out and cause so many problems. Im guessing the deepstate has been working behind the scenes to make police less effective and more prone to do things that get everyone into a bad situation in order to create events like this they can use for political purposes. The deepstate is usually on both sides of an issue, making both sides do things to exacerbate the problem as opposed to fixing it. 

Quote from: T Hunt on February 02, 2023, 06:16:57 PMI agree completely. Holds and locks all the way.

I am mad to hear that the official policies are so poorly thought out and cause so many problems. Im guessing the deepstate has been working behind the scenes to make police less effective and more prone to do things that get everyone into a bad situation in order to create events like this they can use for political purposes. The deepstate is usually on both sides of an issue, making both sides do things to exacerbate the problem as opposed to fixing it. 

The wise ones of upper management & executives (Chiefs Deputy Cheifs etc) reasoning is CYA (cover your ass). Vicarious Liability, that which holds top management ultimately responsible for the actions of the rank and file through practices of improper Hiring, retention, training or POLICY, the main reason. Training was one of the main issues of the Rodney King lawsuits.

It wasn't so much the deepstate as the human vultures and hyena's known as LAWYERs. The leftist scoundrels you see in positions of power nowadays calling to defund the police were likely connected to the legal profession in days of yore, coming with lawsuits under this vicarious liability doctrine.  The bottom line how can we(the Left) marginalize, intimidate and diminish Law enforcement.

As I said previously when departments started hiring 100 lb police women and foot five skinny male officers who had a college degree but couldn't do a push up, things had to change. The other concern was just about every time cops got into a wrestling match/slug fest one of them claimed injury so they could do the light duty thing for 6 weeks. Thats another we got with hiring the Pepsi Generation, a whole bunch of people looking to malinger or go out on 66 2/3 disability.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on February 03, 2023, 06:30:04 AMThe wise ones of upper management & executives (Chiefs Deputy Cheifs etc) reasoning is CYA (cover your ass). Vicarious Liability, that which holds top management ultimately responsible for the actions of the rank and file through practices of improper Hiring, retention, training or POLICY, the main reason. Training was one of the main issues of the Rodney King lawsuits.

It wasn't so much the deepstate as the human vultures and hyena's known as LAWYERs. The leftist scoundrels you see in positions of power nowadays calling to defund the police were likely connected to the legal profession in days of yore, coming with lawsuits under this vicarious liability doctrine.  The bottom line how can we(the Left) marginalize, intimidate and diminish Law enforcement.

As I said previously when departments started hiring 100 lb police women and foot five skinny male officers who had a college degree but couldn't do a push up, things had to change. The other concern was just about every time cops got into a wrestling match/slug fest one of them claimed injury so they could do the light duty thing for 6 weeks. Thats another we got with hiring the Pepsi Generation, a whole bunch of people looking to malinger or go out on 66 2/3 disability.

Well I was shocked to find out that 99% of politicians were educated as lawyers. The law has become a tool to beat america down.