While Republican delegates prepare to nominate Donald Trump in Cleveland in two weeks, Trump provided yet another piece of evidence that he's not particularly concerned with the success of the party he has hijacked. New York Times Magazine asked Trump about the importance of maintaining a Republican Senate. Here was Trump's almost incomprehensible answer – an answer that would be utterly incomprehensible if Trump were actually a conservative or a serious Republican: "Well, I'd like them to do that. But I don't mind being a free agent, either."
Of course he wouldn't. He has no intention of making conservative priorities his own.
Imagine the scenario Trump says he wouldn't mind: a Democratic Senate. You can forget about a conservative on the Supreme Court. That notion would be dead on arrival. You could also forget about Trump's supposed immigration priorities, including the fabled Trump Wall and more stringent deportations. So the two top priorities for conservatives – replacing Justice Scalia with someone of like mind, and ending the Democratic strategy of importing potential voters – would be an impossibility.
He's acting like it, too. According to Ryan Williams, strategist with the 2012 Romney presidential campaign, "Traditionally, the nominee has a robust campaign that absorbs the RNC effort and works in tandem with the down-ballot campaigns. We did that with Romney in 2012. This time around, there's a complete void at the presidential level. Trump's trying to play a game of baseball and hasn't put out an infield."
So far, the polls don't show Trump doing significant damage down ballot. But the fact that he doesn't seem to care should tell Republicans everything they need to know about his priorities.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/7446/trump-says-he-doesnt-mind-losing-senate-democrats-ben-shapiro
Both heard and read that - and was completely floored! I don't think he expects to win, but is milking the lime-light for all it's worth.
It's really FUNNY to listen to the media still trying to fawn over the guy, their tone betrays them - they think he's crazy.
Quote from: Hoofer on July 14, 2016, 04:10:00 PM
Both heard and read that - and was completely floored! I don't think he expects to win, but is milking the lime-light for all it's worth.
It's really FUNNY to listen to the media still trying to fawn over the guy, their tone betrays them - they think he's crazy.
Yep, almost as if he channeled Barnum, of Barnum and Bailey fame, and put together the biggest freak show on short notice.
With the exception of Cruz, most consider it the equivalent of a Hollywood awards show, full of self aggrandizing BS, and most won't tune in till Cruz speaks.
Quote from: Solar on July 14, 2016, 04:22:42 PM
Yep, almost as if he channeled Barnum, of Barnum and Bailey fame, and put together the biggest freak show on short notice.
With the exception of Cruz, most consider it the equivalent of a Hollywood awards show, full of self aggrandizing BS, and most won't tune in till Cruz speaks.
Really is a head-scratcher... How can you find a weaker candidate than Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders?
If Trump doesn't mind seeing the House and Senate go Democrat ...
I guess that means he knows his policy would just sail through both houses. Obama's 3rd term, via Hillary or Donald
Quote from: Hoofer on July 14, 2016, 04:28:19 PM
Really is a head-scratcher... How can you find a weaker candidate than Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders?
If Trump doesn't mind seeing the House and Senate go Democrat ... I guess that means he knows his policy would just sail through both houses. Obama's 3rd term, via Hillary or Donald
Yep, there's literally no other way to view it. :glare:
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Quote from: Solar on July 14, 2016, 04:38:42 PM
Yep, there's literally no other way to view it. :glare:
I guess the next logical step, "Trump-a-loons don't mind if Trump goes full Socialist"?
I rather doubt that Trumpster would be nominating conservatives for the USSC.
Quote from: Hoofer on July 14, 2016, 05:16:26 PM
I guess the next logical step, "Trump-a-loons don't mind if Trump goes full Socialist"?
I doubt Trump even knows the difference in capitalism and socialism, seeing how he's the epitome of crony capitalist, just another form of socialism.
Quote from: tac on July 14, 2016, 05:25:37 PM
I rather doubt that Trumpster would be nominating conservatives for the USSC.
Ya think? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Solar on July 14, 2016, 06:44:50 PM
I doubt Trump even knows the difference in capitalism and socialism, seeing how he's the epitome of crony capitalist, just another form of socialism.
Sure... he knows the difference.
Capitalism = Trump can declare bankruptcy, and make a profit.
Crony Capitalism = Trump's enemies get bailed out after declaring bankruptcy.
Socialism = The Tax payer bails out your failed business.
It sure works for him!
Quote from: Hoofer on July 16, 2016, 03:11:13 PM
Sure... he knows the difference.
Capitalism = Trump can declare bankruptcy, and make a profit.
Crony Capitalism = Trump's enemies get bailed out after declaring bankruptcy.
Socialism = The Tax payer bails out your failed business.
It sure works for him!
See? It's not that he doesn't need the base, he knows the base despises everything the lib stands for, or is that, stands against?
Never really understood if libs actually stand for anything, considering all they ever do is destroy.
Quote from: Solar on July 16, 2016, 03:47:39 PM
See? It's not that he doesn't need the base, he knows the base despises everything the lib stands for, or is that, stands against?
Never really understood if libs actually stand for anything, considering all they ever do is destroy.
Does the GOPe think:
a. We're just like the Democrats, Trump is a good choice -
call it a one-off and we can get TEA and Conservatives out of the party. Kill 2 birds with one stone.
b. We can control Trump, he's a little crazy, so was Hitler, and the German establishment thought they could control him - Trump is not Hitler, we're smart, what could possibly go wrong?
c. They don't mind falling
back to 100% defense, after all, they're use to it, and actually did better as a minority party, quite comfortable as habitual losers.
d. Trump can win the election... and Hillary is such a weak candidate, who better to go up against her than Donald - MEH, he/she might just win?
e.
Trump is better than Cruz ....?f. It's OK Trump plays spoiler - TEA and Conservatives cannot muster an organized opposition, they'd rather
see the party go down in flames than give another inch to TEA.g. They are
powerless to stop Trump, without wholesale protests and alienation of the precious moderate voter?
h. It's
Trump's to lose, he has no ground game, he's made a point to publically criticize the GOPe, he's not fund raising for the down-ballot candidates. TEA and Conservatives don't want him, neither does the GOPe, he doesn't want to play by our rules - so
he'll have to learn the hard way.
I. DUH! We (GOPe) don't know HOW to stop this guy, and none of us are willing to try to oust Donald and save the GOP. The
Trump Train is rolling, we can't stop it without harming our own careers?
j. Nobody likes the establishment, look how popular Cruz was as an anti-establishment candidate - at least Trump is "pliable" and if he kicks-the-bucket in office, we got Pence.... ABC (Anyone But Cruz).
k. Hey,
it might be sexy, walking and talking Democrat with an "R" behind your name. Obama has his gender confusion, we got our party confusion - what's the big deal, we're still the establishment!
l. Democrat or Republican, who cares, we're all establishment in DC and not budging.
m. TEA & Conservatives WILL NOT LEAVE US... we double-dog dare them to.
n. Trump has hinted he's got a dossier on each of the GOPe leaders, we've got to allow him to run.
Quote from: Hoofer on July 16, 2016, 04:30:45 PM
Does the GOPe think:
a. We're just like the Democrats, Trump is a good choice - call it a one-off and we can get TEA and Conservatives out of the party. Kill 2 birds with one stone.
b. We can control Trump, he's a little crazy, so was Hitler, and the German establishment thought they could control him - Trump is not Hitler, we're smart, what could possibly go wrong?
c. They don't mind falling back to 100% defense, after all, they're use to it, and actually did better as a minority party, quite comfortable as habitual losers.
d. Trump can win the election... and Hillary is such a weak candidate, who better to go up against her than Donald - MEH, he/she might just win?
e. Trump is better than Cruz ....?
f. It's OK Trump plays spoiler - TEA and Conservatives cannot muster an organized opposition, they'd rather see the party go down in flames than give another inch to TEA.
g. They are powerless to stop Trump, without wholesale protests and alienation of the precious moderate voter?
h. It's Trump's to lose, he has no ground game, he's made a point to publically criticize the GOPe, he's not fund raising for the down-ballot candidates. TEA and Conservatives don't want him, neither does the GOPe, he doesn't want to play by our rules - so he'll have to learn the hard way.
I. DUH! We (GOPe) don't know HOW to stop this guy, and none of us are willing to try to oust Donald and save the GOP. The Trump Train is rolling, we can't stop it without harming our own careers?
j. Nobody likes the establishment, look how popular Cruz was as an anti-establishment candidate - at least Trump is "pliable" and if he kicks-the-bucket in office, we got Pence.... ABC (Anyone But Cruz).
k. Hey, it might be sexy, walking and talking Democrat with an "R" behind your name. Obama has his gender confusion, we got our party confusion - what's the big deal, we're still the establishment!
l. Democrat or Republican, who cares, we're all establishment in DC and not budging.
m. TEA & Conservatives WILL NOT LEAVE US... we double-dog dare them to.
n. Trump has hinted he's got a dossier on each of the GOPe leaders, we've got to allow him to run.
Damn, pooter crashed right in the middle of what
most all future historians would have referred to as the Holy Grail of Conservative thought.
Well, now that nature deprived future generations of my awesome intellect, they're stuck with this piece of rambling... :biggrin:
I believe the biggest mistake most moderate Pubs make, is assuming the GOP is a separate entity from the Dim party.
Truth is, the GOP was taken over decades ago by the Dim party, and have been doing their bidding ever since.
If you were like me and everyone else, and wondered all these years why the GOP seemed to purposely cave on nearly every issue, eg GW giving Teddy control over schools?
That right there is evidence that incrementally, the GOP has been giving away the farm, not for their own selfish reasons, today's GOP leadership are Dims, and because the people that keep the Dim party in power, are the same exact money brokers supporting the GOP, and none of them give one shit about the values of this nation, because they know there is always a new sucker willing to sellout his constituents.
Soros?'
Yeah, these people could have an (
Palin is a good example of someone selling out their values for personal enrichment.
I can honestly say, there is not amount of money that could make me sellout to Marxists.
Quote from: Solar on July 16, 2016, 06:10:40 PM
Damn, pooter crashed right in the middle of what most all future historians would have referred to as the Holy Grail of Conservative thought.
Well, now that nature deprived future generations of my awesome intellect, they're stuck with this piece of rambling... :biggrin:
I believe the biggest mistake most moderate Pubs make, is assuming the GOP is a separate entity from the Dim party.
Truth is, the GOP was taken over decades ago by the Dim party, and have been doing their bidding ever since.
If you were like me and everyone else, and wondered all these years why the GOP seemed to purposely cave on nearly every issue, eg GW giving Teddy control over schools?
That right there is evidence that incrementally, the GOP has been giving away the farm, not for their own selfish reasons, today's GOP leadership are Dims, and because the people that keep the Dim party in power, are the same exact money brokers supporting the GOP, and none of them give one shit about the values of this nation, because they know there is always a new sucker willing to sellout his constituents.
Soros?'
Yeah, these people could have an (
Palin is a good example of someone selling out their values for personal enrichment.
I can honestly say, there is not amount of money that could make me sellout to Marxists.
Absolutely, dead on!
The most difficult decision a Liberal faces in December....
"hmmmm..... who do I vote for, Hillary or Donald.... and I can't pull BOTH levers!"
Quote from: Hoofer on July 17, 2016, 07:24:37 AM
Absolutely, dead on!
The most difficult decision a Liberal faces in December....
"hmmmm..... who do I vote for, Hillary or Donald.... and I can't pull BOTH levers!"
What was dead on, the part about the GOP'e is nothing but an extension of the Dims, or the part about "Holy Grail of Conservative thought."? :biggrin:
Yeah, everyone knows the GOP now exists to do the bidding of marxists, so it must have been my genius intellect the world will never know. :lol:
Quote from: Hoofer on July 17, 2016, 07:24:37 AM
Absolutely, dead on!
The most difficult decision a Liberal faces in December....
"hmmmm..... who do I vote for, Hillary or Donald.... and I can't pull BOTH levers!"
No but the dead can this go around.
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2016, 07:42:24 AM
What was dead on, the part about the GOP'e is nothing but an extension of the Dims, or the part about "Holy Grail of Conservative thought."? :biggrin:
Yeah, everyone knows the GOP now exists to do the bidding of marxists, so it must have been my genius intellect the world will never know. :lol:
At this juncture, someone get Solar's Toy in on this.
Seriously. She would know!
:lol:
Quote from: quiller on July 17, 2016, 07:58:15 AM
At this juncture, someone get Solar's Toy in on this.
Seriously. She would know!
:lol:
Ah, another great defender of "my genius intellect"...
Curtsies in appreciation... :biggrin:
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2016, 08:36:09 AM
Ah, another great defender of "my genius intellect"...
Curtsies in appreciation... :biggrin:
Look, buster, the BS stops getting deep when the Wife Card gets thrown. I sure as bleep know that MINE does! :ttoung: :lol:
Quote from: quiller on July 17, 2016, 08:38:38 AM
Look, buster, the BS stops getting deep when the Wife Card gets thrown. I sure as bleep know that MINE does! :ttoung: :lol:
LOL! My man card trump's any wife card. I'll deal this hand. :ttoung:
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2016, 07:42:24 AM
What was dead on, the part about the GOP'e is nothing but an extension of the Dims, or the part about "Holy Grail of Conservative thought."? :biggrin:
Yeah, everyone knows the GOP now exists to do the bidding of marxists, so it must have been my genius intellect the world will never know. :lol:
THERE! don't let it go to your head - what's this holy gravel stuff? lol
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2016, 08:43:23 AM
LOL! My man card trump's any wife card. I'll deal this hand. :ttoung:
Said the good old boy whose wife ain't rung in here yet. Yup. Sho' nuff.
Quote from: quiller on July 17, 2016, 08:54:34 AM
Said the good old boy whose wife ain't rung in here yet. Yup. Sho' nuff.
She was marrying off her daughter this weekend. :biggrin:
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2016, 09:19:17 AM
She was marrying off her daughter this weekend. :biggrin:
Oh.... here I mistook that flurry of posts for political frustration.. :scared: miss her already, eh :wub:
Quote from: Hoofer on July 17, 2016, 10:00:08 AM
Oh.... here I mistook that flurry of posts for political frustration.. :scared: miss her already, eh :wub:
She'll be home around noon. I just couldn't see going to the Bay area for the day. I'm just not that much of a glutton for pain....
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2016, 10:15:16 AM
She'll be home around noon. I just couldn't see going to the Bay area for the day. I'm just not that much of a glutton for pain....
I could turn that into a first-class case of collecting damages after they assault me for my defense of free speech..... :lol:
Quote from: quiller on July 17, 2016, 10:33:13 AM
I could turn that into a first-class case of collecting damages after they assault me for my defense of free speech..... :lol:
Wait, are you under the illusion that she runs the household? :lol:
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2016, 11:29:42 AM
Wait, are you under the illusion that she runs the household? :lol:
No doubt she has you right where she wants you.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Hoofer on July 17, 2016, 12:35:27 PM
No doubt she has you right where she wants you.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
To the original thought of this thread, "Trump doesn't mind losing the Senate to DIMs".
It's not a joke, not a miss-speak, a Democratic Senate & House would make it easier to forward the Trump agenda. Trump will be the new liberal MSM hero for his ability to unite the parties, stop the warring factions, and reach across the aisle in a new wave of bi-partisanship.
Why wouldn't the GOPe bristle at the notion...? This is becoming the marriage between the Democrats and Republicans they've been dreaming of, with a "strong man enforcer" to slap any TEA or Conservatives back into line if there's so much as a peep out of them.
After this week... they'll be fighting to keep Paul Ryan in the House, which could be problematic if he loses the WI Primary.
If Donald loses the general, the divide will probably continue under HRC, but should Trump win, the next step would be marginalizing or cutting out the TEA and Conservative party members.
IMO - the GOPe is already planning this several moves ahead, it's rare an exception like Canter's defeat sets them back.
When has Donald ever minded losing?
Quote from: taxed on July 19, 2016, 06:57:57 PM
When has Donald ever minded losing?
It's not his money he is playing with. :ohmy: