Quote from: Tory Potter on November 22, 2022, 09:50:06 AMAs I have often pointed out, I do not click on unknown links, so what ever that blue glove signifies, unless you want to actually come out and say what it means, we can not have a meaningful discussion.
It's a video doofus!

QuoteWith regard to the oath of office, if he did not take the oath, is there a provision in the Constitution that would allow him to continue in office? What is the legal framework that would allow that? I am not arguing that the election is not in dispute, but he would still be required to take the oath to continue. President Biden was sworn in by taking the oath of office administered by Chief Justice John Roberts in the presence of other members of the Supreme Court. None of the allegations of a stolen election passed the ultimate test, that is they were not affirmed by the Court. You may wish that were not true but, the United States is a Republic established under the rule of law. The courts are the final arbitrator of the rule of law. If the law says Joseph Biden is the President of the United States, and he is the one who took the oath of office, then, by law, he is the President of the United States. The events of 2020 are in the past. If you want President Trump to be President, focus on the coming election. His supporters need to begin the campaign and garner as much support as possible, while doing everything you can to ensure the 2024 election is free and fair.

That's akin to buying a home and because the bank was robbed, you don't own the property because they never signed off  the paperwork.
You fail to grasp the law, it does not usurp the victims Rights because of purposeful fraud!

Quote from: Tory Potter on November 22, 2022, 09:50:06 AMAs I have often pointed out, I do not click on unknown links, so what ever that blue glove signifies, unless you want to actually come out and say what it means, we can not have a meaningful discussion.
With regard to the oath of office, if he did not take the oath, is there a provision in the Constitution that would allow him to continue in office? What is the legal framework that would allow that? I am not arguing that the election is not in dispute, but he would still be required to take the oath to continue. President Biden was sworn in by taking the oath of office administered by Chief Justice John Roberts in the presence of other members of the Supreme Court. None of the allegations of a stolen election passed the ultimate test, that is they were not affirmed by the Court. You may wish that were not true but, the United States is a Republic established under the rule of law. The courts are the final arbitrator of the rule of law. If the law says Joseph Biden is the President of the United States, and he is the one who took the oath of office, then, by law, he is the President of the United States. The events of 2020 are in the past. If you want President Trump to be President, focus on the coming election. His supporters need to begin the campaign and garner as much support as possible, while doing everything you can to ensure the 2024 election is free and fair.

Are you unaware of the concept of devolution? You might want to look that up before discussing it with people who do.

Trump never started a second term as his first is ongoing, only the govt, and his admin, is devolved, and also thus not counting towards the total 10 years the constitution allows. This all happened after trump signed those EOs right after pence illegally tried to certify a foreign coup. That attempted takeover of the govt was the trigger for that devolution. Taxed knows alot more about it than me but its a continuity of govt plan put in place in the 20th century in the event the govt would be overthrown from within.

Most likely 2020 will be redone in 2025, after the dems steal 2024. I mean it will be a presidential election that will in effect be making up for both the 2020 and 2024 steals.

Quote from: Tory Potter on November 22, 2022, 09:50:06 AMPresident Biden was sworn in by taking the oath of office administered by Chief Justice John Roberts in the presence of other members of the Supreme Court. None of the allegations of a stolen election passed the ultimate test, that is they were not affirmed by the Court. You may wish that were not true but, the United States is a Republic established under the rule of law.

Actually no, he was never sworn in. You have to follow the rules in the constitution which require certification which itself requires no cheating. Because more than being a nation of laws we are a constitutional republic which means the constitution has a bigger dick than any judge of any court. 

QuoteThe courts are the final arbitrator of the rule of law.

Wrong, the constitution is. And decertification is a political process not a legal one, so the state senates actually are the final arbiter of elections.

QuoteIf the law says Joseph Biden is the President of the United States,

It doesnt.

Quoteand he is the one who took the oath of office,

He didnt because the election was never constitutionally certified. Him and his cronies staging a show isnt being sworn in by law.

Quotethen, by law, he is the President of the United States.

The law has Trump as president.

QuoteThe events of 2020 are in the past.

The very recent past and still very much in play.

QuoteIf you want President Trump to be President, focus on the coming election.

No need. He already won 2020 and has the left in a vice.

QuoteHis supporters need to begin the campaign and garner as much support as possible, while doing everything you can to ensure the 2024 election is free and fair.

Dont worry they already are, but dont be disappointed when they steal that too, as planned. Only then will the sheep be awake.

Quote from: T Hunt on November 22, 2022, 11:27:42 AMAre you unaware of the concept of devolution? You might want to look that up before discussing it with people who do.

Trump never started a second term as his first is ongoing, only the govt, and his admin, is devolved, and also thus not counting towards the total 10 years the constitution allows. This all happened after trump signed those EOs right after pence illegally tried to certify a foreign coup. That attempted takeover of the govt was the trigger for that devolution. Taxed knows alot more about it than me but its a continuity of govt plan put in place in the 20th century in the event the govt would be overthrown from within.

Most likely 2020 will be redone in 2025, after the dems steal 2024. I mean it will be a presidential election that will in effect be making up for both the 2020 and 2024 steals.

Congress certified the results of the 2020 election. You use the term "illegally" tried to certify, but for something to be illegal, it first has to be ruled illegal. None of the allegations of cheating have been supported in Court.

The 20th amendment states that President Trump's term in office ended at noon on Jan.20, 2021.

"Twentieth Amendment
Section 1

The terms of the President and the Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January,..."
Constitution of the United States

There is no provision in the constitution, as far as I can find, for a President to extend his term beyond that date. A new term must begin on that date and before that can take place, the POTUS must take the oath of office. You say President Trump did not take the oath.
His EO's may continue after noon. on Jan. 20, 2021, but if he did not take the oath, he is not legally POTUS.
My money would be on President Trump being administered the oath of office as POTUS in January 2025, but my church forbids wagering for money.

Quote from: Tory Potter on November 22, 2022, 12:36:07 PMCongress certified the results of the 2020 election. You use the term "illegally" tried to certify, but for something to be illegal, it first has to be ruled illegal. None of the allegations of cheating have been supported in Court.

The 20th amendment states that President Trump's term in office ended at noon on Jan.20, 2021.

"Twentieth Amendment
Section 1

The terms of the President and the Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January,..."
Constitution of the United States

There is no provision in the constitution, as far as I can find, for a President to extend his term beyond that date. A new term must begin on that date and before that can take place, the POTUS must take the oath of office. You say President Trump did not take the oath.
His EO's may continue after noon. on Jan. 20, 2021, but if he did not take the oath, he is not legally POTUS.
My money would be on President Trump being administered the oath of office as POTUS in January 2025, but my church forbids wagering for money.

Our Declaration say's different!!!

Election theft on this scale is treasonous, and there is No exceptions and they can all be executed under the law.
Congress can't even help these scum, so don't expect any pardons unless Trump gives them himself.

This is untested ground, Kind of, but since you're stuck on law, our Declaration of Independence, the First of our Founding Documents spelled it out quite clearly.

Keep in mind, our Rights come from God!!! NOT GOVERNMENT!!!!

The Declaration of Independence says that we not only have the right but we also have the duty to alter or abolish any government that does not secure our unalienable rights, including life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Don't think for one second this can't happen, because it did, and the British regretted it heavily!
This time, we'll be targeting actual Communists!

Quote from: Tory Potter on November 22, 2022, 12:36:07 PMCongress certified the results of the 2020 election. You use the term "illegally" tried to certify, but for something to be illegal, it first has to be ruled illegal. None of the allegations of cheating have been supported in Court.

Again, if its not done according to the constitution then it is automatically illegal, no court needed. I dont know why you are getting hung up on the courts, they have no major part in elections, its all up to the state legislatures.

Did they follow the constitutions rules regarding certification? Or are you lack the critical thinking skills to come to that conclusion without a court doing your thinking for you?

QuoteThe 20th amendment states that President Trump's term in office ended at noon on Jan.20, 2021.

"Twentieth Amendment
Section 1

The terms of the President and the Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January,..."
Constitution of the United States

Unless there is an emergency. There are provisions for when there are emergencies and the regular order of things cannot be done. You seem to not be grasping the fact that the biden coup is a national emergency on the level of a nuclear war or a zombie apocalypse.

When the govt is devolved its not counting as part of either of his terms. Hes still president, but the military is in charge, trump cant issue EOs or anything like that. During Devolution the office of president is actually hobbled power-wise. 

QuoteThere is no provision in the constitution, as far as I can find, for a President to extend his term beyond that date. A new term must begin on that date and before that can take place, the POTUS must take the oath of office.

Again, he isnt extending his term, the govt is devolved, military has the power. None of the continuity of govt options are in the constitution, yet they fall under the executives powers.

QuoteYou say President Trump did not take the oath.

Right, there was no need.

QuoteHis EO's may continue after noon. on Jan. 20, 2021, but if he did not take the oath, he is not legally POTUS.

His oath from his first term is still valid.

QuoteMy money would be on President Trump being administered the oath of office as POTUS in January 2025, but my church forbids wagering for money.

No, the dems will steal 2024 too, then trump will reveal devolution and call in the military to redo the election. So it wont be January but more likely march when he starts his second term. I do hope he can get those 2 extra years tho, for a total of 10 like the constitution allows.

Quote from: Solar on November 22, 2022, 04:26:56 PMOur Declaration say's different!!!

Election theft on this scale is treasonous, and there is No exceptions and they can all be executed under the law.
This is untested ground, Kind of, but since you're stuck on law, our Declaration of Independence, the First of our Founding Documents spelled it out quite clearly.

The claim of election theft remains unproven. Out of all of the allegation put forward, none have been proven.

Quote from: T Hunt on November 22, 2022, 07:53:58 PMAgain, if its not done according to the constitution then it is automatically illegal, no court needed. I dont know why you are getting hung up on the courts, they have no major part in elections, its all up to the state legislatures.

Did they follow the constitutions rules regarding certification? Or are you lack the critical thinking skills to come to that conclusion without a court doing your thinking for you?

Yes, they did follow the constitution in the certification process. The State Legislatures certified the votes, and the Vice President counted the votes of the electoral college. They all followed the constitutional process.
Since there is no threat to the inalianable rights granted by the creator, there is no cause to over throw the government and if the military were to assume the role of the government, that would be a violation of their oaths.

Quote from: Tory Potter on November 23, 2022, 05:53:38 AMThe claim of election theft remains unproven. Out of all of the allegation put forward, none have been proven.Yes, they did follow the constitution in the certification process. The State Legislatures certified the votes, and the Vice President counted the votes of the electoral college. They all followed the constitutional process.
Since there is no threat to the inalianable rights granted by the creator, there is no cause to over throw the government and if the military were to assume the role of the government, that would be a violation of their oaths.

Too funny! What I poste went over the head of a leftist Canadian who has zero understanding of what it means to be an American.

You continue to purposely ignore all the evidence of an NWO infiltration taking place globally, even your own Canada is in he death throes and still you refuse to see it.
This forum is packed full of evidence proving the world is suffering the damage inflicted by this NWO/UN sanctioned movement and headed up by an actual Communist Klaus Schwab running the WEF.

You are under the illusion that we had a fair election. We did NOT! It was stolen, and our Declaration leaves open the fact that we can and will devolve the damage done by actual inserted communists into our govt.

You conveniently left out my part of the post that literally usurps what the left did under the guise of our Constitution.

QuoteOur Declaration say's different!!!

Election theft on this scale is treasonous, and there is No exceptions and they can all be executed under the law.
Congress can't even help these scum, so don't expect any pardons unless Trump gives them himself.

This is untested ground, Kind of, but since you're stuck on law, our Declaration of Independence, the First of our Founding Documents spelled it out quite clearly.

Keep in mind, our Rights come from God!!! NOT GOVERNMENT!!!!

You know absolutely nothing about American heritage, yet you post complete and utter Bull Shit, why is that?
Why are you so Hell bent on helping the left destroy the only Nation on earth that stands in the way of the NWO.
 Your own Canada will collapse if the US were to fail in purging these Communists from the world stage.

Do you really not see the threat facing Canada and the globe?

https://cdn.nucleusfiles.com/e7/e746fae9-7a5f-462d-a0dd-dd9a11895451/statement-by-president-donald-j.-trump.pdf?utm_medium=email&utm_source=ncl_amplify&utm_campaign=20220613-statement_by_donald_j_trump_45th_president_of_the_united_states_of_america&utm_content=ncl-WeyXbMHzvA&_nlid=WeyXbMHzvA&_nhids=9B2YtE8qZ2

Twitturd video.


Klaus Schwab compliments CCP governing style.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1595423002606600193

Quote from: Tory Potter on November 23, 2022, 05:53:38 AMThe claim of election theft remains unproven. Out of all of the allegation put forward, none have been proven.

What are you talking about? The evidence proving it is overwhelming. No court is needed for something to be proven.

https://youtu.be/MA8a2g6tTp0

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But Tell me again about how voter fraud hasnt been proven.....

Quote from: Tory Potter on November 23, 2022, 05:53:38 AMYes, they did follow the constitution in the certification process.

Wrong. The constitution requires that the election be free from cheating before certification can legally occur. If cheating is found any attempt at faux certification is automatically void as it is unconstitutional. You seem to think that congress doesnt have to follow the constitution...

QuoteThe State Legislatures certified the votes,

Please explain how they could constitutionally certify a stolen election with proven cheating?

Quoteand the Vice President counted the votes of the electoral college.

Wrong. They ignored the alternate slate of electors that were sent since certification has yet to legally occur. 

QuoteThey all followed the constitutional process.

Wrong. The constitution doesnt allow for cheating.

QuoteSince there is no threat to the inalienable rights granted by the creator,

There is a threat, biden stole the election from the will of the people, which was trump. The people voted in trump yet biden cheated. All proven beyond any reasonable doubt.

Quotethere is no cause to over throw the government

We are not overthrowing the govt, by installing trump the military would be stopping a coup by biden.

Quoteand if the military were to assume the role of the government, that would be a violation of their oaths.

Wrong. Their oaths are to defend the constitution,which was not followed with biden. Thus to fulfill their oaths the military will have to step in.

But even if they dont, We The People can just remove biden too since we own the majority, much like what is happening in brazil 

Quote from: Solar on November 23, 2022, 06:34:49 AMToo funny! What I poste went over the head of a leftist Canadian who has zero understanding of what it means to be an American.

You continue to purposely ignore all the evidence of an NWO infiltration taking place globally, even your own Canada is in he death throes and still you refuse to see it.
This forum is packed full of evidence proving the world is suffering the damage inflicted by this NWO/UN sanctioned movement and headed up by an actual Communist Klaus Schwab running the WEF.

You are under the illusion that we had a fair election. We did NOT! It was stolen, and our Declaration leaves open the fact that we can and will devolve the damage done by actual inserted communists into our govt.






You conveniently left out my part of the post that literally usurps what the left did under the guise of our Constitution.

You know absolutely nothing about American heritage, yet you post complete and utter Bull Shit, why is that?
Why are you so Hell bent on helping the left destroy the only Nation on earth that stands in the way of the NWO.
 Your own Canada will collapse if the US were to fail in purging these Communists from the world stage.

Do you really not see the threat facing Canada and the globe?

https://cdn.nucleusfiles.com/e7/e746fae9-7a5f-462d-a0dd-dd9a11895451/statement-by-president-donald-j.-trump.pdf?utm_medium=email&utm_source=ncl_amplify&utm_campaign=20220613-statement_by_donald_j_trump_45th_president_of_the_united_states_of_america&utm_content=ncl-WeyXbMHzvA&_nlid=WeyXbMHzvA&_nhids=9B2YtE8qZ2

See it? He endorses it. When his government violated the freedoms of the truckers, he endorsed the government. When his government told the citizens what they could not buy with their own money for the truckers, he endorsed it. When his government told the citizens to turn in their semi auto rifles he endorsed it and told us it would stop there that his government would not come after any other guns. When his government made other guns illegal he endorsed it. There has not been one freedom or right that his government has trampled on that he has not endorsed. Does he not see it??? Hell he knows more about one world government that 99% of the people. He knows Trump was cheated out of the whitehouse, he also knows what will happen when Trump is back in office.




Or he's just a damn sheep bleating out the liberal talking points.

Quote from: Possum on November 23, 2022, 09:06:06 AMSee it? He endorses it. When his government violated the freedoms of the truckers, he endorsed the government. When his government told the citizens what they could not buy with their own money for the truckers, he endorsed it. When his government told the citizens to turn in their semi auto rifles he endorsed it and told us it would stop there that his government would not come after any other guns. When his government made other guns illegal he endorsed it. There has not been one freedom or right that his government has trampled on that he has not endorsed. Does he not see it??? Hell he knows more about one world government that 99% of the people. He knows Trump was cheated out of the whitehouse, he also knows what will happen when Trump is back in office.




Or he's just a damn sheep bleating out the liberal talking points.

I have not followed tory that much but from what you described he sounds like a tyrannist. Sounds like he supports big govt. Maybe not a communist but he certainly seems to miss the monarchy. Tyranny is tyranny.

Quote from: Possum on November 23, 2022, 09:06:06 AMSee it? He endorses it. When his government violated the freedoms of the truckers, he endorsed the government. When his government told the citizens what they could not buy with their own money for the truckers, he endorsed it. When his government told the citizens to turn in their semi auto rifles he endorsed it and told us it would stop there that his government would not come after any other guns. When his government made other guns illegal he endorsed it. There has not been one freedom or right that his government has trampled on that he has not endorsed. Does he not see it??? Hell he knows more about one world government that 99% of the people. He knows Trump was cheated out of the whitehouse, he also knows what will happen when Trump is back in office.




Or he's just a damn sheep bleating out the liberal talking points.

Yeah, you and T both exposed his lying ass. Fact is, he's a commie to the core. No one in their Right mind would cede freedom to a bureaucracy and claim it's for the greater good.          

Well, my question as to whether President Trump took the oath of office for a second term has been answered. Thank you.

Quote from: T Hunt on November 23, 2022, 08:40:21 AMWhat are you talking about? The evidence proving it is overwhelming. No court is needed for something to be proven.

However, the 5th and 14th amendments to the constitution guarantee due process. President Biden and President Trump are both presumed to be innocent, unless proven guilty in a court of law.
So far, the only so-called evidence I have seen presented is drawn from the internet. Without corroberating documentation, it is meaningless.
Never the less, no one on this forum will change their mind, except me, if there is actual documented evidence sustained by the courts to prove the election should have gone to President Trump.
The penalty, IIRC, for election fraud ,is 5 years in prison, not execution.
The one thing that is certain, in my view, the next few years will be very interesting in US politics.