Quote from: Hokey_Pokey on July 19, 2020, 09:44:56 PM
One question?  Do you honestly believe that the use of crude language actually empowers you, because in reality it has opposite affect. Seriously, I think this community is comprised of 13 year old girls, because I would never use such language for the simple fact that I actually have a wife and children.

Noone is keeping you here troll. You just keep proving what a snowflake moron you are. FUCK OFF!

Quote from: Hokey_Pokey on July 19, 2020, 03:17:35 PM
Who said that an illegal person has a right to dictate anything, as far as I know they do not have the power of voting, therefore they really have no direct influence over policy decisions. I simply saying that persons whom reside in our country illegally, are integral to the economy, seriously try to harvest a crop, or construct a building without them, not to mention a whole lot of other low wage jobs that I certainly would not perform.  Therefore, they actually do contribute, and maximize GDP, so what is your issue with a responsible allocation of resources?

You are repeating myths and misinformation. First ILLEGALS are NOT integral to Our economy.  Time and time again it has been proven that Illegals are a bigger drain on the economy and our resources far in excess of what they "contribute".  Statistics prove that illegals increase the crime rate, the irony is the people most victimized by such crime are other illegals.  Then again we have the FACT that a significant portion of the money these illegals earn GOES OUT OF THE COUNTRY, legally and Illegally (smuggling)

The myth that illegals do jobs "Americans won't do" is so much BS, illegals undercut American wages, work for cash which is never taxed and worse network so that Americans CANT be hired for certain jobs in certain area's. I can tell you this from experience.

Then again we have the debacle of the WU-Flu which was brought here by illegals ad legals(along with OTHER diseases) to intentionally devistate our economy, which it certaily did

Quote from: Hokey_Pokey on July 19, 2020, 09:44:56 PM
One question?  Do you honestly believe that the use of crude language actually empowers you, because in reality it has opposite affect. Seriously, I think this community is comprised of 13 year old girls, because I would never use such language for the simple fact that I actually have a wife and children.

How one expresses oneself only seems to concern millennial Snowflakes wanting to control speech. I spent a lifetime traveling rough roads and overcoming barriers, and my language is an extension of my history, it is my patina.
It's pretty obvious you have not traveled the world, lived in third world shitholes, let alone visited some here in the US based on the fact that you have never really experienced American linguistic process up close and personal.

Though I do get it, you are a liberal Bubble Dweller, one that has never even gotten his skin tarnished, never left the protective bubble of the liberal world, (College).
Get out, meet the real people, get down and dirty with them, you'll be shocked as your entire perspective of the world changes.

Quote from: Hokey_Pokey on July 19, 2020, 01:33:13 PM
How is an honest survey in anyway a negative thing? Like it or not our society is composed people whom live here. Things such as roads and schools actually do cost money, so regardless if you think people should be counted does not change the fact that they live in the community. Therefore, it only makes sense that the allocation of our precious tax dollars are distributed in the most efficient manner possible, to whence an accurate survey is the best means to ensure that public resources are distributed in the best possible manner.

Best possible, does not mean perfect, just the most efficient.

I am with Solar. If localities want illegals living there, pay for them locally. They should not part of determining federal aid.

I wasn't going to comment on this thread but after reading 3 pages I can't restrain myself any longer.
Even the headline to this thread is biased against Law & Order in my opinion. Undocumented illegals? That's like saying a bank robber is just making an undocumented withdrawal. At least taxed was conscientious enough to straighten it out in post 1 where he referred to this problem as caused by illegal invaders.
Then there's the problem of the trolls, who I won't name because I'm sure everybody knows who they are. Nobody asked for my opinion which is probably why I'm giving it. These two uninformed snowflake basement dwellers must really like living in squalor. You don't let trash and filth build up year after year without cleaning up the mess and taking out the trash. There comes a point, and I think we've reached it where your neighbors are just tired of the stench and the infestation of vermin and they're going to clean it up whether you like it or not. The least you could do is get off of your melting snowflake ass and stop protesting about us cleaning up a mess that you support. Either you can help, get out of the way or risk getting knocked on your ass because we're determined to do it one way or the other.

I see I made a mistake.  I copied the title from the article, referring to third-world invaders as "undocumented migrants".

I apologize.  They are criminals, and I must have been on the phone as I was posting it.

All halfway decent countries will have "some" illegal immigration but with 22-30 million of them you could say our system is completely fubar'd. With demonrats crying for even more legal and illegal immigration we are looking at the total destruction of the US.

When the people who pioneered this country and made it what it is today become a despised minority in the land of their ancestors it will end in either their genocide or civil war 2.0.

Quote from: Hokey_Pokey on July 19, 2020, 01:33:13 PM
How is an honest survey in anyway a negative thing? Like it or not our society is composed people whom live here. Things such as roads and schools actually do cost money, so regardless if you think people should be counted does not change the fact that they live in the community. Therefore, it only makes sense that the allocation of our precious tax dollars are distributed in the most efficient manner possible, to whence an accurate survey is the best means to ensure that public resources are distributed in the best possible manner.

Best possible, does not mean perfect, just the most efficient.

Just because you think they shld be counted doesnt mean they paid taxes or are entitled to government services.

Illegals shld be in jail. They have no right to anything from the gvt. I mean if you are an illegal you have even forfieted your human rights. But hey, because you WANT them counted we shld just do it, right?

Quote from: Hokey_Pokey on July 19, 2020, 02:36:12 PM
There is a big difference between what I would "like to be true" and simple reality.  We are for better or worst a society comprised of a diverse population, such as rich poor, smart dumb, articulate or blathering idiot. Its not like we can do an
"I dream of Jennie" and nod our heads and "poof" transform our society conform to what we find desirable. 

When you have a problem burying your head in the sand is the least effective manner that I conceive of in trying to find a solution, or at least mitigating the losses or damages that may result. 

So again, what is wrong with an accurate census, other than you (a) understand the problem, (b) you have an understanding of the scope of the problem, (c) you have a general idea where your problems are; so that you can most efficiently allocate resources to maximize the public good.

Right, you would LIKE them to be part of the community, but they arent and never will be. You are speaking from emotion here, not practicality.

A census is only to know the amount of citizens, nothing more. If you want a count for some other reason then do it locally. By trying to count them in the census you are in fact the one burying your head in the sand.

You also seem unaware of the fact that if they are counted on the census in any way shape or form then they affect voting in the electoral college and elsewhere.

Quote from: Hokey_Pokey on July 19, 2020, 03:11:10 PM
If you want to know the true effect of what you wish were reality, simply look at a red state policies that instated draconian laws to target people in this country illegally, the net effect was that farmers had to let melons rot in the field instead of being harvested and taken to market.

P.S. Personally, I think that phrases such as WTF, or any other ad hominin attack makes a person seem to be the dullest tool in the shed.

They why are you engaged with ad hominem attacks such as saying we wish the makeup of the country was different. We arent racists like the dems. The right has never cared about whos white or whos not. Thats only the dems. KKK are dems and nazis are socialists. The left are the evil ones.

And no, the red states are almost universally better off than the blue in most regards. Harsh laws on illegals ALWAYS help. Allowing illegals ALWAYS harms. History proves that. Now try backing your side up with arguments instead of your wishful thinking that illegals are needed....

Quote from: Hokey_Pokey on July 19, 2020, 03:17:35 PM
Who said that an illegal person has a right to dictate anything, as far as I know they do not have the power of voting, therefore they really have no direct influence over policy decisions. I simply saying that persons whom reside in our country illegally, are integral to the economy, seriously try to harvest a crop, or construct a building without them, not to mention a whole lot of other low wage jobs that I certainly would not perform.  Therefore, they actually do contribute, and maximize GDP, so what is your issue with a responsible allocation of resources?

Ummm srry, illegals by and large dont work at all. They dont contribute anything to the country, only take.

You seem unaware that there are very few illegals in the workforce at all, much less in construction or farming. 99.99% of construction workers and farmers are legal citizens.

Our GDP has a net loss from illegals. You clearly get your facts from the same media pushing the corona hoax...

(And you seem unaware that being on the census just makes it that much easier for them to vote.)

Quote from: Hokey_Pokey on July 19, 2020, 03:56:16 PM

At least my family tree does not look like this "|".

Wow, leave it to a leftist to bring race into this....

LOL you guys seriously think the right gives 2 shits about racial anything? Do you think I care about by family tree more than a passing fancy? Wow, you really need to educate yourself....

Quote from: Hokey_Pokey on July 19, 2020, 05:48:42 PM
Dear Taxed,

Thank you for advising me about the "quote" function, however I really do not like certain words that Killer Clouds uses, and in good conscious refuse to use them even if they are cut and pasted.  I do I agree that I responded in juvenile manner, and I do apologize to the entire forum for that.

However, I' am a little curious why you tolerate such disgusting words. Seriously, I think that grown, hopefully learned persons should be able to have a conversation on almost any subject matter without resorting to profanities.  Seriously, I hate the concept of a "safe space" which killer cloud seems like he would like to occupy, but that is an echo chamber in which no progress will ever be made.

best wishes

He is swearing at you and calling you a troll because all you have done since you got here is parrot fake news. You need to post things about REALITY, not the fake worldview the media paints for you. If all you do is parrot the media then you arent adding to the convo...

Quote from: Hokey_Pokey on July 19, 2020, 07:10:49 PM
Ok, your vocabulary basically speaks for itself.  I do have few question, (1) do actually use such eloquent language in conversations with real people that your standing in front of? (2) Are you old enough to buy alcohol? (3) Are you mature enough that you actually have to shave?  and finally (4) are you a ugly woman named Karen?

Seriously, why the foul language? If your developmentally challenged is sincerely apologize, but normal people simply do not conduct themselves in the manner that you act.

What has he done to be a karen? Complaining does not a karen make. In order to be a karen he wld need to whine and complain to the admins to get you banned, the way a libbie might. Remember, the term karen was created to describe triggered libbies

Quote from: Hokey_Pokey on July 19, 2020, 09:44:56 PM
One question?  Do you honestly believe that the use of crude language actually empowers you, because in reality it has opposite affect. Seriously, I think this community is comprised of 13 year old girls, because I would never use such language for the simple fact that I actually have a wife and children.

Ya but you wld never say things like NIGGER, FAGGOT, SPIC, or CHINK STINK. I only ever use those words to demonstrate that i CAN use those words.

You are prbly the type who judges trump by his words as well, instead of his actions.