Quote from: Solar on March 31, 2017, 05:17:04 PM
Wrong Trump, OJT is over, you can't test theories out in the WH and use the base as your whipping boy when you fail miserably!
Adults learn early in life, that when you fuck up, you own it and you move on, you don't blame others for your failures, especially the people that put you in office, you dumb ass!

President Trump brought his chaos-and-loyalty theory of management into the White House, relying on competing factions, balanced by trusted family members, with himself perched atop as the gut-instinct decider. He now realizes this approach has flopped, and feels baffled and paralyzed by how to fix it, numerous friends and advisers tell us.

"Trump is thinking through his frustrations," said one Washington wise man close to the West Wing. "The team didn't put the windows in right."

The chaos dimension has created far more chaos than anticipated. Come nightfall, Trump is often on the phone with billionaire, decades-long friends, commiserating and critiquing his own staff. His most important advisers are often working the phone themselves, trashing colleagues and either spreading or beating down rumors of turmoil and imminent changes.

This has created a toxic culture of intense suspicion and insecurity. The drama is worse than what you read.

Behind the curtain: Axios' Jonathan Swan today sat in Reince Priebus' office with Steve Bannon, Jared Kushner, and Reince's deputy, Katie Walsh, who — fed up with the internal "Game of Thrones," and treated with suspicion by some prominent West Wing colleagues — is leaving to help launch Trump's outside political group, America First Policies.
https://www.axios.com/trump-baffled-and-brooding-searches-for-a-new-approach-2337876385.html

One of Trump's greatest personal challenges is that he needs to take a humble pill then line up with stable, foundational, tried-and-true virtuous principles, backed with commensurate actions, and not get caught in the quagmire of politics that shifts like sand with every wind. Assign people to keep the politics off his back while he works the knitting ... the promises that got him elected. He has the power to make things move with Congress and good people available to him if he will vet them based on their principles and experience; then let them do their jobs. Don't pretend that the Dims are going to cooperate - there is a foundational gap between their principles and our constitutional principels: socialism and popularism vs. running a Republic!

President Trump ... do what is right under our founding principles and not what expedient or popular. The Conservatives will help you find that path! You have so many people at your disposal to help you find a product path in the right direction. That's not the Dims for sure. It's not the RINOs for sure. It's not the Godless for sure. Going the right direction usually pays off - and even when it doesn't then you still have the confidence that you worked to move our nation in a productive direction.

I'm on my knees praying - I hope he gains a better vantage point soon. Not giving up - still have hope.

Quote from: topside on April 01, 2017, 06:53:34 AM
One of Trump's greatest personal challenges is that he needs to take a humble pill then line up with stable, foundational, tried-and-true virtuous principles, backed with commensurate actions, and not get caught in the quagmire of politics that shifts like sand with every wind. Assign people to keep the politics off his back while he works the knitting ... the promises that got him elected. He has the power to make things move with Congress and good people available to him if he will vet them based on their principles and experience; then let them do their jobs. Don't pretend that the Dims are going to cooperate - there is a foundational gap between their principles and our constitutional principels: socialism and popularism vs. running a Republic!

President Trump ... do what is right under our founding principles and not what expedient or popular. The Conservatives will help you find that path! You have so many people at your disposal to help you find a product path in the right direction. That's not the Dims for sure. It's not the RINOs for sure. It's not the Godless for sure. Going the right direction usually pays off - and even when it doesn't then you still have the confidence that you worked to move our nation in a productive direction.

I'm on my knees praying - I hope he gains a better vantage point soon. Not giving up - still have hope.

...Oh wait, you were serious? J/K

The problem is, Trump's values are not of a Conservative nature, so I'm not sure he can see where he's made a mistake, let alone understand how to repair it.
Hell, I'm not even certain he can make the connection as to what he was elected to do because what he envisioned and what his supporters want are two different visions totally.
His goal was to get elected, his sales experience is that of grandiose sales pitches and once the deal is done, others are charged with enacting them, promises broken aren't really lies broken in his world, it's just how business is done.
Thing is, he wanted a socialized healthcare system and Conservatives stood in his way. In his world he is CEO, he decides what the people need, what is best for the bugs/little people and he had decided that we would have socialized medicine Trump style and those that stand in his way are the enemy and must be defeated.

I've worked with these people in the past, they are not normal on yours and my standards, they are narcissists, they have never experienced what it means to be without money and power, budget every month for the bare necessities of life is a foreign concept for them.
What he does understand is debt, running a project on OPM (other peoples Money) is how business is done and that once it's paid off, revenue is the dividend, so running up the National Debt is part and parcel to running the country/business.
Yes, he thinks he is doing us a favor by forcing socialized healthcare on us, that the debt is to be absorbed as part of doing business.

Does this make sense? I know it may be hard to grasp because it's not our reality, but it is how trump lives and he sees himself as a King among Kings. To challenge him is seen as treasonous, regardless of your values because his vision of America's needs is superior to everyone else's.

Quote from: Solar on April 01, 2017, 07:29:23 AM
...Oh wait, you were serious? J/K

The problem is, Trump's values are not of a Conservative nature, so I'm not sure he can see where he's made a mistake, let alone understand how to repair it.
Hell, I'm not even certain he can make the connection as to what he was elected to do because what he envisioned and what his supporters want are two different visions totally.
His goal was to get elected, his sales experience is that of grandiose sales pitches and once the deal is done, others are charged with enacting them, promises broken aren't really lies broken in his world, it's just how business is done.
Thing is, he wanted a socialized healthcare system and Conservatives stood in his way. In his world he is CEO, he decides what the people need, what is best for the bugs/little people and he had decided that we would have socialized medicine Trump style and those that stand in his way are the enemy and must be defeated.

I've worked with these people in the past, they are not normal on yours and my standards, they are narcissists, they have never experienced what it means to be without money and power, budget every month for the bare necessities of life is a foreign concept for them.
What he does understand is debt, running a project on OPM (other peoples Money) is how business is done and that once it's paid off, revenue is the dividend, so running up the National Debt is part and parcel to running the country/business.
Yes, he thinks he is doing us a favor by forcing socialized healthcare on us, that the debt is to be absorbed as part of doing business.

Does this make sense? I know it may be hard to grasp because it's not our reality, but it is how trump lives and he sees himself as a King among Kings. To challenge him is seen as treasonous, regardless of your values because his vision of America's needs is superior to everyone else's.

I wish I could argue with you ... but I can't. I just pray for a miracle that something shifts in him. There's no human reason to expect it to happen - hence the praying part.

Quote from: topside on April 01, 2017, 07:48:21 AM
I wish I could argue with you ... but I can't. I just pray for a miracle that something shifts in him. There's no human reason to expect it to happen - hence the praying part.

I know what you mean, I too held out hope in the beginning, but his actions are killing what little hope I had that he had our backs.
For me, the upside to all of this is, I didn't have an emotional investment in his winning, a belief that he was telling the truth during the campaign, because all along I believed he was the Dim his history showed him to be, that his claim of being a New Yorker with NY values was a signal to all the libs in the country to just be patient.

So no, I'm not devastated like all those that argued with us that he was a conservative, just disappointed that they didn't listen to us when we tried to warn them.
But all is not lost, at least he isn't Clinton, if anything, just another Bush/RINO.
There's always 2020. Here's looking to the future.

Well i'm done with Trump. I wash my hands with him. He's not only crossed the line he drew the red line in the sand. No reason at all to support this liberal democrat any longer.

Trump doesn't want to drain the swamp he wants to bottle it up and sell that stinky swamp water to the American people. I'm not buying it any longer.

Now it's time for me to sit back and watch him, the media, the big government republicans go down in flames with their love/hate relationship while I laugh my butt off.

I stand with my Conservatives friends in Congress and I salute my Conservative friends in the Freedom Caucus for saving us from Trumpcare.

Maybe the wrong "binary choice" won in Nov. 2016....! At least we knew where Hillary stood not so much with Trump.

I'm so friggin mad at this war on Conservatives bull crap if there was grounds to impeach this SOB I would get a crate of Georgia Peaches and hand them out in the name of the Freedom Caucus...!

Check this bullshit out.

Trump admin tells supporters to PRIMARY a Freedom Caucus Republican...

The Trump administration is putting some muscle behind its heated anti-Freedom Caucus rhetoric.

Dan Scavino is Trump's Director of Social Media and Senior Advisor, and he tweeted this just now:

.@realDonaldTrump is bringing auto plants & jobs back to Michigan. @justinamash is a big liability.#TrumpTrain, defeat him in primary.

READ MORE.....
http://therightscoop.com/trump-admin-tells-supporters-to-primary-a-freedom-caucus-republican/

He fails to realize, it was TEA that put Trump in office, not libs.
Trump, it's one thing to shoot yourself in the foot, but did you really need to use C-4?

Quote from: Solar on April 01, 2017, 01:35:48 PM
He fails to realize, it was TEA that put Trump in office, not libs.
Trump, it's one thing to shoot yourself in the foot, but did you really need to use C-4?

I'm guessing here he was aiming between his eyes and missed.

And the war continues. This is why only donate to the candidate not to the organisations.

Pro-Trump groups may help the president stage primaries against Republicans

Political groups loyal to President Trump could make good on his threat to back primary challenges against congressional Republicans who oppose his agenda.

Trump is warning conservative House Republicans who have opposed his health care initiative that he might try and oust them next year when they stand for re-nomination.

Except under extraordinary circumstances, GOP rules prohibit the party committees, such as the Republican National Committee, which Trump controls, from working against incumbents.

READ MORE....
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pro-trump-groups-may-help-the-president-stage-primaries-against-republicans/article/2619355

Quote from: Bronx on April 05, 2017, 09:53:13 AM
And the war continues. This is why only donate to the candidate not to the organisations.

Pro-Trump groups may help the president stage primaries against Republicans

Political groups loyal to President Trump could make good on his threat to back primary challenges against congressional Republicans who oppose his agenda.

Trump is warning conservative House Republicans who have opposed his health care initiative that he might try and oust them next year when they stand for re-nomination.

Except under extraordinary circumstances, GOP rules prohibit the party committees, such as the Republican National Committee, which Trump controls, from working against incumbents.

READ MORE....
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pro-trump-groups-may-help-the-president-stage-primaries-against-republicans/article/2619355

He better get his shit together, because those libs aren't loyal in the least.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_apr5

Quote from: Bronx on April 05, 2017, 09:53:13 AM
And the war continues. This is why only donate to the candidate not to the organisations.

Pro-Trump groups may help the president stage primaries against Republicans

Political groups loyal to President Trump could make good on his threat to back primary challenges against congressional Republicans who oppose his agenda.

Trump is warning conservative House Republicans who have opposed his health care initiative that he might try and oust them next year when they stand for re-nomination.

Except under extraordinary circumstances, GOP rules prohibit the party committees, such as the Republican National Committee, which Trump controls, from working against incumbents.

READ MORE....
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pro-trump-groups-may-help-the-president-stage-primaries-against-republicans/article/2619355

My gut does not let me put much credence in this theory. Trump may be a neophyte politician, but he is no dummy. I think his rhetoric against the FC is just that - rhetoric. That meeting last night between Pence and the FC is an indication of what is going on.

Quote from: supsalemgr on April 05, 2017, 12:34:20 PM
My gut does not let me put much credence in this theory. Trump may be a neophyte politician, but he is no dummy. I think his rhetoric against the FC is just that - rhetoric. That meeting last night between Pence and the FC is an indication of what is going on.

Trump to Pence: What do you mean TEA put me in office? Pence: You ran as an outsider. They hate the Establishment! Trump, Oh Shit, I screwed up!
Yes, you did Donnie!

Quote from: supsalemgr on April 05, 2017, 12:34:20 PM
My gut does not let me put much credence in this theory. Trump may be a neophyte politician, but he is no dummy. I think his rhetoric against the FC is just that - rhetoric. That meeting last night between Pence and the FC is an indication of what is going on.

I respectfully disagree. I believe President Trump would like nothing more then the Conservatives to get out of his way. With the FC out of the way he can pass his big government republican/democrat agenda.

You just don't go yelling to the world on tweeter about how much hate he has for Conservatives. Words have meaning and his hate for the FC proves just that.

Sorry but all I can go by is what comes out of his own mouth. His words no mine.

Quote from: Bronx on April 05, 2017, 03:26:46 PM
I respectfully disagree. I believe President Trump would like nothing more then the Conservatives to get out of his way. With the FC out of the way he can pass his big government republican/democrat agenda.

You just don't go yelling to the world on tweeter about how much hate he has for Conservatives. Words have meaning and his hate for the FC proves just that.

Sorry but all I can go by is what comes out of his own mouth. His words no mine.

Agree Bronx. Trying to guess intent is filled with problems. You have to take the words and actions at face value.

Quote from: Bronx on April 05, 2017, 03:26:46 PM
I respectfully disagree. I believe President Trump would like nothing more then the Conservatives to get out of his way. With the FC out of the way he can pass his big government republican/democrat agenda.

You just don't go yelling to the world on tweeter about how much hate he has for Conservatives. Words have meaning and his hate for the FC proves just that.

Sorry but all I can go by is what comes out of his own mouth. His words no mine.

2018 is going to be really interesting.  I think the middle RINOs are going to take a lot of incoming and are probably panicking right now.

Quote from: taxed on April 05, 2017, 10:25:23 PM
2018 is going to be really interesting.  I think the middle RINOs are going to take a lot of incoming and are probably panicking right now.

Here's hoping the Tea movement can make more gains. There really is not going to be that much difference on the ballets between the rinos supporting trump and the dims who don't support trump, both are liberal and will campaign as such with bigger promises of spending and nothing getting done. They will be fighting for who will be in control but will we be able to see the difference. I see bigger differences in the rep. primaries. The candidates who will stand out will be the ones who back the tea movement. Imho, trump did not have any coattails for any candidate and it is starting to look like he sure won't have any for 2018, hell, he might not even have a coat by then. Even in a worst case, it would be very hard for the dims to get the senate.