Trump & Cruz communication gap

Started by Hoofer, March 19, 2016, 08:30:09 AM

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quiller

Quote from: Dori on March 26, 2016, 08:26:29 AM
I know, but there is a lot of red meat Trump throws out there, that he can't do, without congress. Sadly, he doesn't even know what the limits are of the executive branch, and apparently his supporters don't either.

Does anyone here recall that classic moment when someone asked (now former) Attorney General Eric Holder to point out the Constitutional basis for Executive Orders...and he couldn't do it? Sadly, Trump isn't the first Democrat with that problem....   :wink:

Solar

Quote from: quiller on March 26, 2016, 01:45:20 PM
Does anyone here recall that classic moment when someone asked (now former) Attorney General Eric Holder to point out the Constitutional basis for Executive Orders...and he couldn't do it? Sadly, Trump isn't the first Democrat with that problem....   :wink:
Trump and the Constitution go together like a pimp and morals. :biggrin:
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Hoofer

Quote from: Dori on March 26, 2016, 11:56:28 AM
Trump wants to squelch free speech and so do the Justice Warriors.  He thinks like a liberal.   

He thinks like a liberal dictator.
-or is that...
He thinks like a liberal dictator.
maybe ...
He thinks like a Nationalist dictator.
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Hoofer

Interesting thing, Donald Trump is still repeating the same lines he was in December, with the same vibrato.
I've noticed a minor change, his policies are just a negotiating point & blaming someone else as the bad guy (for stuff he can be linked to).
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quiller

Well, shucks, if we don't like the policies he has today, he'll have new ones in an hour.

Negotiate freedom, Donald? That's the real bottom line, and you're not even fit to stand in Churchill's or Reagan's or Thatcher's shadow.

Hoofer

Quote from: quiller on March 29, 2016, 12:54:22 AM
Well, shucks, if we don't like the policies he has today, he'll have new ones in an hour.

Negotiate freedom, Donald? That's the real bottom line, and you're not even fit to stand in Churchill's or Reagan's or Thatcher's shadow.

Glad someone said it!  The Constitution and Bill of Rights is non-negotiable.
...why we want a Constitutional Conservative instead of a Salesman.
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Hoofer

Chris Mathews rolls over Donald Trump on Abortion issue.

First off, Donald was on defense for the interview, OK, should he have realized since switching political parties, the flaming Liberals would start going after him, sooner or later?  He cannot blame this on TEA or Conservatives, Ted Cruz, John Kasich, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders - assuming Mathews was going to soft-ball him, was a mistake.  Trump is on the side of the Liberal's "enemy" - "Hello!!!"   And Geeze, Donald, quit whining about poor treatment, we're useto it, grow up already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak2tqBVNMT4

First observation:  Donald's mistake was following Chris Mathews down this rabbit hole.  Chris actually set him up, pretty EASILY, and then started sucker punching. 
Second observation:  Donald has been doing this dumbed down thingy so long, he's starting to sound... well, kinda stupid during interviews.  An otherwise easy interview produced plenty of fodder for the Liberals - can't blame that on anyone but Donald.
Third Observation:  Is this campaign starting to wear out Donald?  Maybe it was an off-day, or he missed a nap...?
Fourth Observation:  That negative racoon-eyes, spray tan looks pathetic.  I know, he's attempting to hide his old-looking, pale, washed out, wrinkly look...  Look at those eyes, he looks tired and weak.
Last observation:  Trump lacks the intellectual horse-sense & quick wit to defend himself in a confrontational situation.  His old standby, going personal instead of factual, shows, over and over.  Christie accused Marco Rubio of repeating himself, word for word, over and over - so does Donald Trump, same words, same phrases.  Chris Mathews said he couldn't dodge answering, but, strip away the simpleton answers, and Trump was easily lead down a rabbit hole with no way to back out. 

A businessman probably mulls over strategy, costs, earnings, timing ... rather analytical, goes into a debate/discussion with the other party's position pretty well mapped out.
A salesman has a pitch lasting just so long - when it's all been said, repeat yourself, after that, repeat yourself, since there isn't much to add to close the deal, repeat yourself.... that's Donald, IMO.   AND... whatever empathy you have, is based on your version of why the customer needs your product.   'You need a wall, because kids are pissing on your porch, and Tariffs/Taxes because Joey's corner grocery is beating you on lettuce grown in greenhouses.'
Us against them, us against them. - this is child's play, is it not?

Ted Cruz has the intelligence & quick wit we need as a POTUS.  Donald's message wore me out pretty quickly.
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Dori

I don't see Donald as having a political ideology right or left.  He strikes me more of a one man band, dancing to his own voice.  As far as running for a political office, he'll say whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear to garner votes.

It's obvious he doesn't take the job of President seriously, as he hasn't even educated himself on what it entails, or understands the policies he's trying to discuss, which is why, IMO, he sounds stupid.

He's quick tempered, thin skinned, and attacks first, without even realizing how people are going to react to his behavior. 

Why his supporters can't see through his BS and do back flips to defend him is the most upsetting part of this election to me.  I'll never understand them, let alone try and figure Trump out. 
The danger to America is not Barack Obama but the citizens capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.

walkstall

Quote from: Dori on March 31, 2016, 12:35:28 PM
I don't see Donald as having a political ideology right or left.  He strikes me more of a one man band, dancing to his own voice.  As far as running for a political office, he'll say whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear to garner votes.

It's obvious he doesn't take the job of President seriously, as he hasn't even educated himself on what it entails, or understands the policies he's trying to discuss, which is why, IMO, he sounds stupid.

He's quick tempered, thin skinned, and attacks first, without even realizing how people are going to react to his behavior. 

Why his supporters can't see through his BS and do back flips to defend him is the most upsetting part of this election to me.  I'll never understand them, let alone try and figure Trump out.


For some reason these LIV (Low-Information Voter) think Trump can turn things around in no time at all.  What he is saying and what he can do are different things.  Just look at his past failures business.  Other people pay for his mistakes not him personally.   As he make money off of them, laughing all the way to the bank.
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supsalemgr

Quote from: Dori on March 31, 2016, 12:35:28 PM
I don't see Donald as having a political ideology right or left.  He strikes me more of a one man band, dancing to his own voice.  As far as running for a political office, he'll say whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear to garner votes.

It's obvious he doesn't take the job of President seriously, as he hasn't even educated himself on what it entails, or understands the policies he's trying to discuss, which is why, IMO, he sounds stupid.

He's quick tempered, thin skinned, and attacks first, without even realizing how people are going to react to his behavior. 

Why his supporters can't see through his BS and do back flips to defend him is the most upsetting part of this election to me.  I'll never understand them, let alone try and figure Trump out.

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Hoofer

Quote from: Dori on March 31, 2016, 12:35:28 PM
I don't see Donald as having a political ideology right or left.  He strikes me more of a one man band, dancing to his own voice.  As far as running for a political office, he'll say whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear to garner votes.

It's obvious he doesn't take the job of President seriously, as he hasn't even educated himself on what it entails, or understands the policies he's trying to discuss, which is why, IMO, he sounds stupid.

He's quick tempered, thin skinned, and attacks first, without even realizing how people are going to react to his behavior. 

Why his supporters can't see through his BS and do back flips to defend him is the most upsetting part of this election to me.  I'll never understand them, let alone try and figure Trump out.

How can you hit it all dead on, and the MSM (who's job is journalism) completely miss what's going on???   

QuoteIt's obvious he doesn't take the job of President seriously, as he hasn't even educated himself on what it entails, or understands the policies he's trying to discuss, which is why, IMO, he sounds stupid.
That is the best analysis I've read/heard all week.  So simple and to the point, and he's so full of himself, so much smarter - prepare?  Heck, just look in a mirror and talk to yourself!
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taxed

Quote from: kit saginaw on March 25, 2016, 03:33:32 PM
But... that kind of wordsmithing is what's needed for bills, tax-laws, government contracts, ballot-issues, etc.

Cruz's biggest applauses come after he says:  I'm going to reduce your tax-form to the size of a postcard.

Being clear and concise isn't the same as dumbing-down.
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Solar

Quote from: kit saginaw on March 25, 2016, 03:33:32 PM
But... that kind of wordsmithing is what's needed for bills, tax-laws, government contracts, ballot-issues, etc.

Cruz's biggest applauses come after he says:  I'm going to reduce your tax-form to the size of a postcard.
That's pretty low Kit, leading one to believe that's a Cruz quote associated with LIV appreciation as in Cruz supporters respond only to soundbites, when in truth, the applause were for his statement that he would kill the IRS.

Fact is, it's LIV Trumpettes that react on emotion, especially when one takes into account, Trump has come down on both sides of every issue during this campaign.
Now how stupid does one need to be to support a candidate that tells the public exactly what they want to hear, and too damn stupid to hear the same CANDIDATE take the exact opposite stance a week later?

The only reason I point this out, is to expose just how low Trumpettes are willing to go to help their lib.
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Today...  Internal polling is showing Ted Cruz with a 8-10% lead over Trump in Wisconsin.  >yawn<

Having lived in Madison a few years, and then Milwaukee metro for 18 years, what's surprising is where the support is coming from.  Milwaukee and Madison are Union & Liberal strong holds, the rest of the state is generally conservative.  About 45% Roman Catholic, 25% Lutheran, but, Tommy Thompson (fiscal conservative, social moderate/conservative) was Governor for a long time, Scott Walker was County Executive before elected as Governor.

Milwaukee area is SOLID for Ted Cruz, Madison area is Kasich, and northern & rural area is Trump.  To me, this is backwards, Milwaukee should be Trump, the rest of the state should be Cruz...  until I heard the "who" part.  Wealthy and highly educated are solid behind Cruz, poor and not-so-educated are behind Trump.  Huh... makes sense, so does this:

The crazy liberals from Tammy Baldwin's (Lesbian) congressional district, Madison, are behind Kasich.  LOL
What if Kasich wasn't running, where would they go?  60-70% to Cruz, the rest to Trump - ??  Turns out, the Liberals HATE Trump.

For months we've been hearing Donald Trump 'projecting' stuff, "lying Ted", "Nobody likes him".
So, Liberals hate Trump, TEA & Conservatives hate Trump, even RINOs at the WTMJ proudly proclaim, radio #nevertrump.  Trump's unfavorability rating among women is +70%.  Wealthy and educated people don't want Trump...  what group did I miss?  Lonely white men?  Hey Donald, they're listening and hoping to seem more of your wife in the oval office.  Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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Hoofer

A couple of months ago, I started wondering WHO took the Warton College tests that enabled Trump to graduate. 

Serious.

Rich people buy intelligence like a commodity, they need it to run a successful business - no fault in that at all.  When it comes to a hurtle too high, either lower the hurtle, or hire someone to clear it for you... or cheat and run around it.  Maybe he's one of those guys who said to himself at graduation, "Good, got that shingle, done with that education crap."  and meant every word of it.

The April 15th interview on SquawkBox with Ted Cruz, quite a delight to watch as Ted articulated his vision for a re-energized America with positive steps, lowering the tax rate and enticing companies to move back to the USA.  "...growth around the world cures almost everything" - started it out.  This is a must see, it's clear and full of positive vision.   Ted actually showed up in the studio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDu2fWId8CA

What a stark contrast to Donald Trump's tax-n-tariff, punish-da-world plan.  Where was this guy during the Reagan Revolution, chasing skirts?  Or the John Kennedy tax-cut plan to restart the economy?  Why does Trump default to the Democratic jack-up-taxes, pay-ther-fair-share, progressive tax plan?  I surmise the whole class envy "line" (that's all it is), plays well with the uneducated, low-information-voter... easier to digest than the Cruz / Reagan "un-lease the American Small Businessman" economic model.

Democrats (and Donald Trump) continue to push this "Economic PIE" idea, with businesses & wall street taking slices, and leaving the average American with the tiny piece.  The rich get richer, we get poorer.  Their wealth is built on the backs of the poor.  We need to punish regulate corporations and tax redistribute wealth - the bigger government idea.

Here's a Squawkbox interview with Donald Trump.  Donald was on-the-phone, at least we THINK it was Donald, people are good at impersonating media personalities, and who knows how many advisers were in the room with Donald during the interview.  Did you actually believe Donald is knowledgeable enough to go 3-1 with CNBC...?   Seriously....?  A "successful businessman" by himself, in the STUDIO explaining complicated business & fiscal ....  nevermind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=424ujo3yOTg

Trump gets softballs, butters up the interviewers, and defaults to negativism.  Then, the questioning intelligence / communication level sinks to a 3rd grade level, with the interviewers struggling to form the questions at a simpler and simpler level... trying to lower their questions to Trump's level.  Pound and pound negative lines, state the obvious, never get to any vision of a positive future.

Becky Quick: "Mr. Trump you're a businessman, how does this ...."
"This is a terrible, terrible ... blah, blah..." - nothing positive, no policy.

'What should US companies, US surveillance do?...'
Trump answers with how BAD our intelligence is, people dying, cold blooded nature of killing, etc., pound negative, negative - "shot these people at will"...  (no plan, no policy)

On the Clinton question:  "She's weak... ineffective... she caused... I was always against... lead to all the problems we have now..."  pound negative, negative.  (no plan, no policy)

ISIS question: "we don't know what we're doing...  dummies in the senate & congress... quagmire... wounded warriors... quagmire... are we better off than Libia?... absolute animals...  Assad is not our biggest problem... probably backing ISIS..."  (no plan, no policy)

"The message is resonating... leading big... tough talk... we're not gonna be stupid... "  (no plan, no policy)

Communication GAP or Communication GULF..?
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