We could do what the Democratic Socialist New Deal Theodore Roosevelt did.  Internment camps as enemies of the state.

Then we could round up the not so miniscule Muslim populations that are already complaining that Obama asked them for help.  People from the California Mosque that has been under the radar for Muslims that wanted to go and fight with ISIS.  I don't know how Obama thinks that people will believe his baloney.  Nothing miniscule about militant Islam.  Entire ME, Africa, Asia, Europe, and right here in the USA.  The miniscule part is the peaceful Muslims.

Quote from: mhughes on December 08, 2015, 08:17:57 PM
Please see my 05:19:20 PM response and explain where my reasoning was wrong.
Please see my 04:25:07 PM response to this and explain where my reasoning was wrong.
Again, see 05:19:20 PM response to understand the limitation
Please see my 04:25:07 PM response to this and explain where my reasoning was wrong.
Please see my 05:19:20 PM response and explain where my reasoning was wrong.

To make it easy I'll reply to all of your points at once since you keep making the same mistake. You're comparing apples and oranges. The First Amendment applies to the Federal Government, in relation to citizens or residents of the United States. Congress's prerogative to allow or disallow entry into the US applies to foreigners desiring to enter the country. The US is not required to allow entry to anyone desiring to overthrow the government of the United States. Islam by it's very nature demands the institution of Sharia Law and a theocratic state. A theocratic state would by itself be in violation of the First Amendment, because it would mean the an Established religion. Islam demands that no man made law be placed above the Koran, but in the US the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land. How could any Muslim truthfully swear an Oath of Allegiance to the US.

Quote from: walkstall on December 08, 2015, 10:51:16 PM
Hmm...
Jimmy Carter Sanctions Against Iran Remarks Announcing U.S. Actions.
April 7, 1980

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=33233

Verrrry good investigating, Walks.

Carter proposed checking student-visas for 50,000 Iranians on November 10th, 1979.  And a US Appeals Court upheld the legality of deportation-sanctions on December 27th, 1979.

http://tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/program.pl?ID=501915

 

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on December 08, 2015, 11:05:11 PM
We could do what the Democratic Socialist New Deal Theodore Roosevelt did.  Internment camps as enemies of the state.

I don't think that will fly.  We have "Due Process" in the Fifth and Fourteenth amendments.

In 1988, President Ronald Reagan signed into law the Civil Liberties Act, which apologized for the internment on behalf of the U.S. government and authorized a payment of $20,000 to each individual camp survivor. The legislation admitted that government actions were based on "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans

Quote from: walkstall on December 08, 2015, 07:59:09 PM

Link   

Do your own work...

Quote from: Tacoma on December 09, 2015, 09:35:19 AM
Do your own work...

You were asked to provide a link.
Do it, or take a timeout, fail to do so after a timeout, will be followed by a ban.
Your choice.

Quote from: mrclose on December 09, 2015, 02:45:39 PM
I think that Tacoma is/was being misled, as a lot of folks are?

Let me be upfront about Trump?

I am a Cruz man all the way 'but' if Trump were to win the nomination .. I would vote for him and not lose a nights sleep over doing so.

The alternative would be much worse.
(I think)


http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news1239_trump.html

All I ask for was a link to back up his statement, that he was not willing to do again.  We don't need other being misled by him fling poo and hope it will stick.   That is what Romper Room Trolls do.

QuoteTRUMP HASN'T SPENT ONE DIME ON HIS CAMPAIGN

Trump boasts about financing his own Presidential election campaign with his own money and that he "can't be bought" like the other candidates who are indebted to their "special interest group" donors like the Jewish lobby.

Trump makes deals, has big bankster friends, political friends, expert accountants and lawyers in his pocket...and he has offshore accounts.

Yes. The paper trail shows that Trump is legally financing his own campaign with his own money...but every traceable $million that he puts into his own campaign can be reimbursed anonymously by "special interest group" donors in untraceable offshore accounts in the Caymen Islands, Lichtenstein, Brazil, Switzerland etcetera.
   

    TRUMP HASN'T SPENT ONE DIME ON HIS CAMPAIGN

    Is there any doubt whatsoever that Trump knows where and how to hide money, evade taxes and get reimbursed for his campaign spending by "special interest group" donors who he would be beholding to?

    Trump is bragging that he "can't be bought" and he can prove that he is using his own money for his campaign. So where is the proof that Trump "is bought and paid for like the rest of the candidates" at the Pinocchio Conventions called "debates"?

   There isn't any proof. Why? Because we don't know where Trump's anonymous offshore accounts are or who his anonymous donors are. There's no paper trail. His big bankster buddies, his expert accountants, his legal team and his anonymous and powerful "special interest group" donors have made sure of that.




http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news1239_trump.html

This isn't a news article it is a bunch of conjecture and crap! He hasn't spent much of his own money because he hasn't had to! How many ad buys has he done? The media has given him a free ride every time he opens his mouth! Even this latest coordinated attack from the RINO's in the party is starting to backfire on them. Again Trump was right and owns this very important issue thanks to Jeb and all his buddies!
All Trumps enemies in the Republican party just can't help themselves. If they just left this alone Trump would have been left with nothing, starved for attention! Now the blow back is starting to come and it is starting to look like the voting base in our party supports what he said. The only ones hurting the "Republican Brand" are the Rino's  out running their mouths attacking Trump violating Ronnie's 11th commandment.
Thank god Cruz has more sense then to join the pile on! He will come out as the adult in the room!

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Quoteb]Shocking List: 11 Public Figures Who Agree With Trump's Muslim Ban Plan[/b]

1. President Jimmy Carter — In 1980, during the Iran hostage crisis, The Washington Post reported that Carter announced "he was canceling all visas issued to Iranians for entry into the United States and warned that they would be revalidated only for 'compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest requires.'" That meant that religion was considered in the processing of visas, and preference was given to persecuted religious minorities in the Muslim-dominated region. Last month, President Barack Obama slammed those who he accused of proposing a "religious test" for Syrian refugee resettlement in the U.S., but it appears Carter had such a religious test for Iranians who sought to enter into America.

2. The Supreme Court — The court's ruling in the 1972 case Kleindienst v. Mandel "strongly suggests the Trump proposal would pass muster," wrote The Wall Street Journal this week. While many argue that the freedom of religion clause of the First Amendment would be violated by any barring of Muslims from entering the U.S., "the government's authority to set immigration policy, at least as applied to nonresident aliens, outweighs any free-speech claim an alien may wish to assert," The Journal wrote.

3. Congress — The Wall Street Journal reported that Congress long ago enacted legislation that gives the president at least some of the powers Trump would need to enact his plan. Title 8, Section 1182 of the U.S. Code says in part, "Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."

4. Ann Coulter — According to The Atlantic, Coulter suggested in January, after the Charlie Hebdo massacre in Paris, that "maybe you take a little pause in Muslim immigration for a while." After Trump announced his own Muslim immigration proposal, Coulter cheered on Twitter, calling it, "my best birthday gift."

More @
http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/trump-muslim-ban-public-figure/2015/12/09/id/705136/#ixzz3trvmyINP

Read the rest at the link! Looks like the RINO's in their zeal to nail Trump screwed up with the base yet again!

Quote from: redbeard on December 09, 2015, 03:24:38 PM
This isn't a news article it is a bunch of conjecture and crap! He hasn't spent much of his own money because he hasn't had to! How many ad buys has he done? The media has given him a free ride every time he opens his mouth! Even this latest coordinated attack from the RINO's in the party is starting to backfire on them. Again Trump was right and owns this very important issue thanks to Jeb and all his buddies!
All Trumps enemies in the Republican party just can't help themselves. If they just left this alone Trump would have been left with nothing, starved for attention! Now the blow back is starting to come and it is starting to look like the voting base in our party supports what he said. The only ones hurting the "Republican Brand" are the Rino's  out running their mouths attacking Trump violating Ronnie's 11th commandment.
Thank god Cruz has more sense then to join the pile on! He will come out as the adult in the room!

[Read the rest at the link! Looks like the RINO's in their zeal to nail Trump screwed up with the base yet again!

They can't tell me he is flying coach around the U.S. and staying in cheap hotels along with eating on it fly.    

Quote from: walkstall on December 09, 2015, 03:14:36 PM
All I ask for was a link to back up his statement, that he was not willing to do again.  We don't need other being misled by him fling poo and hope it will stick.   That is what Romper Room Trolls do.

Prediction.

Quote from: Dori on December 09, 2015, 09:26:48 AM
I don't think that will fly.  We have "Due Process" in the Fifth and Fourteenth amendments.

In 1988, President Ronald Reagan signed into law the Civil Liberties Act, which apologized for the internment on behalf of the U.S. government and authorized a payment of $20,000 to each individual camp survivor. The legislation admitted that government actions were based on "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans

I was being sarcastic but also drawing a line between Trump and Roosevelt.  I really can't understand how people can take him seriously.  You could compare him to Obama and Hitler too.  Warning!  Not Tea Party, and not American.  I hate Islam with a passion.  I think it would be within the law to infiltrate every Mosque in America and shut down every single one that doesn't preach American values of human compassion and value of human life.  Some of the Mosques have already been on FBI radar.  Shut them down.  If they don't preach peaceful messages of religious tolerance bar the door and never open it again. 

Jesus is Love, peace, Mercy and Grace.

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on December 09, 2015, 06:01:41 PM
I was being sarcastic but also drawing a line between Trump and Roosevelt.  I really can't understand how people can take him seriously.  You could compare him to Obama and Hitler too.  Warning!  Not Tea Party, and not American.  I hate Islam with a passion.  I think it would be within the law to infiltrate every Mosque in America and shut down every single one that doesn't preach American values of human compassion and value of human life.  Some of the Mosques have already been on FBI radar.  Shut them down.  If they don't preach peaceful messages of religious tolerance bar the door and never open it again. 

Jesus is Love, peace, Mercy and Grace.

Uh, they don't believe in Jesus, so obviously they won't be teaching Jesus's values  in the first place.

Second, I don't want our government dictating what can or cannot be preached in their mosques, anymore than I want our government telling us what we can or can't say in a church.

That doesn't mean no, we can't surveil them if there's probable cause to think they're in there plotting mass murders.

No that doesn't mean we can't use things like RICO laws to go after criminal conspiracies that may or may not be going on in these mosques.

Anymore than it means we can't do that because it's a church.

That's a far cry the government,saying, "hey you'll preach what we think you should be preaching" or "you'll preach what we like and agree with", or else".

I don't care who the group is, I don't want government presuming to take upon itself the power to dictate what acceptable religious belief is.

That's a seriously slippery slope we're on folks, even suggesting that.

Quote from: Tacoma on December 08, 2015, 07:44:57 PM
Trumps contributions and media savvy combined with the political inertia which gave rise to them, have directly resulted in the seizing of control away from the leftist establishment and its death grip upon the political dialogue and process, one hell of an accomplishment, almost divine intervention considering that he hasn't spent a dime of his own money in the doing thereof. Without Trump, the rino party would be shamelessly cheer leading for some Grubering D-Bag named Bush, or Kasich and how its an act of love to break into the country by the tens of millions, Cruz wouldn't be surging in Iowa and very likely would already be gone the way of Scott Walker, Trump changed everything, imperfect as he is, he is the best thing America has been served up since Reagan's 2nd term! 

A basic search shows why you refused to back up your bullshit.
And to think, a simple "I made a mistake" could have saved you tons of embarrassment as well as self Coventry..

From Oct.
So far it has spent a total of $5,449,750. The campaign is spending money as quickly as it receives it, and the campaign reports having had $254,772 on hand as of Sept. 30.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/10/15/donald-trump-received-nearly-4-million-in-unsolicited-campaign-donations/

Quote from: Solar on December 09, 2015, 07:27:46 PM
A basic search shows why you refused to back up your bullshit.
And to think, a simple "I made a mistake" could have saved you tons of embarrassment as well as self Coventry..

From Oct.
So far it has spent a total of $5,449,750. The campaign is spending money as quickly as it receives it, and the campaign reports having had $254,772 on hand as of Sept. 30.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/10/15/donald-trump-received-nearly-4-million-in-unsolicited-campaign-donations/

I think he likes it, just like old Sioux...