Quote from: Tacoma on December 08, 2015, 08:40:45 PM
You referring to the likes of me as idiots is entertaining as all hell, it soundly demonstrates you are unable to discern the differences between 1992 America and 2016 America, or H. Ross Perot and Donald Trump, or how and why third party this go round, divides and conquers the leftist vote as opposed to the conservative vote, you just don't get it, the left so dominates the two parties establishments they are virtually one party separated by minutiae, a three party race pitting a Bush or Kasich against the Clinton does nothing but split that vote among themselves...

Don't flatter yourself in thinking your posts are important enough for me to read. But in review, if you want to own LIV, have at it.
As to the rest of your nonsense, had you been paying attention, you'd know my position on third party and just how ludicrous a 23rd, 3rd party attempt would be.

No grow up and act like an adult, or I'll take away your little tongue smiley.

Even thought I would agree that many of the issues Trump champions are extremely important to voters.  I don't want a Hitler for President.  Cruz is Presidential.  Trump is a mental case.

Trump has been clearing a path for Cruz from the beginning.  He still is, sending the media-moguls into frenzied shark-circles so they're unable to assemble their Sarah Palin Dismemberment Apparatus in a focused way against the Tedster.

Ted's slowly rising in the background.

Quote from: Dori on December 08, 2015, 07:34:26 PM
He said he wouldn't run Independent.  You mean he'd go back on his word?   

Has he said he was?

Seems to me it's the Republican Establishment that's looking to break their word and not support The People's Choice.

BTW, I distinctly remember being the LONE VOICE here who said, he WONT fizzle out. That he is IN IT TO WIN IT.

Everybody else had crazy theories, mostly mirrioring the conventional "wisdom" and HOPES of the Republican Establishment. How's that working out for you? 

Quote from: carlb on December 09, 2015, 02:43:49 AM
Has he said he was?

Seems to me it's the Republican Establishment that's looking to break their word and not support The People's Choice.

BTW, I distinctly remember being the LONE VOICE here who said, he WONT fizzle out. That he is IN IT TO WIN IT.

Everybody else had crazy theories, mostly mirrioring the conventional "wisdom" and HOPES of the Republican Establishment. How's that working out for you? 

Seriously? You actually think Trump's base is growing?

I have said that Trump is "in it to win it" but I also said that I have confidence that the voters will wise up and see that Cruz offers more of what they are wanting than Trump.

We have several more debates ahead and Trump's rhetoric seems to put a ceiling on his pool of followers.  Yes, he has impressive numbers but his negatives are very high.  He is more likely to go down than higher in the polls.

Everyone knows him and have their opinions.  I think he draws more independents than conservatives.  Sorry to say it but independents tend to be lower information voters.  They just know that they don't like what they see.  They don't want to identify with either party but they really don't have an in depth understanding of the political world.  They are just disgruntled  voters.

Cruz has a real potential of wooing those independents from Trump.  They just need more exposure to the man and his strengths.  Time will continue to be on Ted's side!

Quote from: Solar on December 09, 2015, 05:11:12 AM
Seriously? You actually think Trump's base is growing?

Where did I say that?  But, in all honesty, when his support is over TWICE anyone else, what's the debate?

I SAID, he's in it to win it.

I noticed the talk about him fizzling out has been greatly curtailed.

I said it before and I'll say it again.

I DON'T WANT A DICTATOR LEFT OR RIGHT AS A PRESIDENT.

My Greatest concern about Trump is he will start with the EXO thing, and while he might write a few that I would likely agree with particularly over national security, in the long run it is more big Govt trampling our rights and freedoms.

Quote from: carlb on December 10, 2015, 04:51:34 AM
Where did I say that?  But, in all honesty, when his support is over TWICE anyone else, what's the debate?

I SAID, he's in it to win it.

I noticed the talk about him fizzling out has been greatly curtailed.

So by the same token you not reading posts exposing his eroding base means what? That he has a shot at winning?
The guys support base is flat, his negatives are worse than his positives.

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on December 08, 2015, 11:26:03 PM
Even thought I would agree that many of the issues Trump champions are extremely important to voters.  I don't want a Hitler for President.  Cruz is Presidential.  Trump is a mental case.

I think a lot of people in the center and left see it that way too, making it a lot harder for Trump to actually go from nomination to elected.

Quote from: carlb on December 10, 2015, 04:51:34 AM
Where did I say that?  But, in all honesty, when his support is over TWICE anyone else, what's the debate?

Polls this early are simply not predictive of the outcome.

Quote from: mhughes on December 10, 2015, 06:37:54 AM
I think a lot of people in the center and left see it that way too, making it a lot harder for Trump to actually go from nomination to elected.

Polls this early are simply not predictive of the outcome.

Yep, merely a snapshot of a moment in time.

If anything, they're reflective of the angst the people have with our govt. and one individual voicing their frustration, but just because one individual gets the lion share of leftist media attention, is guarantee of anything.

Quote from: taxed on December 08, 2015, 06:59:13 PM
I was thinking, in my immediate circle of family and friends, those who are pretty strong on Trump have never voted before and have never been into politics.  I've been saying it, I don't think Trumpsters are likely voters.  I really don't.

Its my belief that Trump supporters are the same as Sanders supports.  One extreme to another..

every time Trumps numbers start to slump he comes out with another hit piece talking point and get a lot of attention in the media.  Although Trump is nearly the last person I want to see in the WH, the media is falling all over this guy and giving him free campaign ads via air time.   I do worry about him running as a third party candidate, he will suck votes away from Cruz whom I do believe will be our candidate.

Quote from: AmericanMom on December 10, 2015, 07:17:12 AM
Its my belief that Trump supporters are the same as Sanders supports.  One extreme to another..

every time Trumps numbers start to slump he comes out with another hit piece talking point and get a lot of attention in the media.  Although Trump is nearly the last person I want to see in the WH, the media is falling all over this guy and giving him free campaign ads via air time.   I do worry about him running as a third party candidate, he will suck votes away from Cruz whom I do believe will be our candidate.

Trump's signature issue is IMMIGRATION in all its many forms. AMERICANS agree with what he says on this issue. When the other candidates Renounce his position, AMERICANS feel insulted and take it personally.

If you disagree with what he actually SAID on this issue, then I have to wonder about your position on immigration.
It wod be good if the other candidates came out as fearlessly on this issue as Trump.

Quote from: carlb on December 09, 2015, 02:43:49 AM
Has he said he was?

Seems to me it's the Republican Establishment that's looking to break their word and not support The People's Choice.

BTW, I distinctly remember being the LONE VOICE here who said, he WONT fizzle out. That he is IN IT TO WIN IT.

Everybody else had crazy theories, mostly mirrioring the conventional "wisdom" and HOPES of the Republican Establishment. How's that working out for you? 

Trumps base isn't growing, what he is saying is being played on every news channel.. all the time.. Yes, some like what they hear and when polled might even say they like what they hear but I will say again, or I'll say if I didn't say it before, His support isn't long lived. Every time his numbers start to fall its Trump making another claim, making another promise and his numbers go up, for a time, but then they start to go down again..  Soon he is going to be out of talking points and will fade. I hope its sooner rather than later but it will happen.

Quote from: carlb on December 10, 2015, 09:45:37 AM
Trump's signature issue is IMMIGRATION in all its many forms. AMERICANS agree with what he says on this issue. When the other candidates Renounce his position, AMERICANS feel insulted and take it personally.

If you disagree with what he actually SAID on this issue, then I have to wonder about your position on immigration.
It wod be good if the other candidates came out as fearlessly on this issue as Trump.

I think we should close the borders and have said as much for far longer then you have probably been a member here, that said.. Its all Trump has that I agree with, but I do not agree with his way of "rounding" up millions of people, his beautiful wall has no base, no defining realistic goals. He simply is a mouthpiece with no substance... reminds me of another candidate that had hope and change in his mantra. .