Quote from: daidalos on December 09, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
Uh, they don't believe in Jesus, so obviously they won't be teaching Jesus's values  in the first place.

Second, I don't want our government dictating what can or cannot be preached in their mosques, anymore than I want our government telling us what we can or can't say in a church.

That doesn't mean no, we can't surveil them if there's probable cause to think they're in there plotting mass murders.

No that doesn't mean we can't use things like RICO laws to go after criminal conspiracies that may or may not be going on in these mosques.

Anymore than it means we can't do that because it's a church.

That's a far cry the government,saying, "hey you'll preach what we think you should be preaching" or "you'll preach what we like and agree with", or else".

I don't care who the group is, I don't want government presuming to take upon itself the power to dictate what acceptable religious belief is.

That's a seriously slippery slope we're on folks, even suggesting that.

Sorry but I disagree with you.  Islam is a governing system.  It isn't a church.  Blame my thought pattern on Obama who has been falsely assuring us that Islam is peaceful.  It isn't and it is bent on the destruction of this country and Israel.  That is a line between religion and death to America cult.  Shouldn't be allowed to exist.  We provide freedom and liberty and it isn't free.  We fight hard to protect our way of life and we don't need an enemy within destroying what our sons and daughters, mothers, fathers, grandparents fought for.

In other very harsh reality words.  We don't want United States of Sharia Law.

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on December 09, 2015, 09:08:44 PM
Sorry but I disagree with you.  Islam is a governing system.  It isn't a church.  Blame my thought pattern on Obama who has been falsely assuring us that Islam is peaceful.  It isn't and it is bent on the destruction of this country and Israel.  That is a line between religion and death to America cult.  Shouldn't be allowed to exist.  We provide freedom and liberty and it isn't free.  We fight hard to protect our way of life and we don't need an enemy within destroying what our sons and daughters, mothers, fathers, grandparents fought for.

In other very harsh reality words.  We don't want United States of Sharia Law.

No, Islam is a religion, under the context of our definition of religion. It wouldn't fly, personally, I'm not so sure it should. Understand something, I have an intense dislike of all things Islam, I know directly how they wage war and currently they are at war with the US and intend to destroy use. But disbanning places of worship is a dangerous precedent.

I do agree with a policy of surveillance and infiltration to determine who is planning what, BUT REMEMBER, under our Constitution LAW ENFORCEMENT needs the requirement of PROBABLE CAUSE for such investigative actions. As a former LEO I know how easy this can be done BUT LE needs the support of US Attorney's, States Attorneys and the CJ system THEY DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW NOR WILL THEY UNDER ANY DEMOCRAT REGIME.

Recall that the surviellances and investigation of many Mosques and "Islamic centers" was halted by the USAO and in some cases by city officials like  NY Mayor De Blasio.

Quote from: taxed on December 09, 2015, 08:52:54 PM
I think he likes it, just like old Sioux...

Suzy was too stupid to know he just got his nose broken by a meteoric face plant.
That guy was epic...

Quote from: Solar on December 10, 2015, 06:00:14 AM

Suzy was too stupid to know he just got his nose broken by a meteoric face plant.
That guy was epic...

Old Trapper is not dead yet.

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on December 09, 2015, 09:08:44 PM
Sorry but I disagree with you.  Islam is a governing system.  It isn't a church.  Blame my thought pattern on Obama who has been falsely assuring us that Islam is peaceful.  It isn't and it is bent on the destruction of this country and Israel.  That is a line between religion and death to America cult.  Shouldn't be allowed to exist.  We provide freedom and liberty and it isn't free.  We fight hard to protect our way of life and we don't need an enemy within destroying what our sons and daughters, mothers, fathers, grandparents fought for.

In other very harsh reality words.  We don't want United States of Sharia Law.

Also, I believe that it is not legal to publically advocate for the violent overthrow of the US Government.  That is not protected speech under the First Amendment.  I think that the other exception would be the equivalent of yelling "Fire" in a crowded theatre.  I can't give you a source for this, it's just general knowledge I have but I think I am correct.   I agree with you about Islam.  It is not a religion, but a political system and should be designated as such.  Just like communism and socialism. 

Quote from: Charliemyboy on December 10, 2015, 08:08:43 AM
Also, I believe that it is not legal to publically advocate for the violent overthrow of the US Government.  That is not protected speech under the First Amendment.

I'd be interested in learning more about that if anybody knows more info.

I know it's a felony to threaten to kill the president.

Quote from: Charliemyboy on December 10, 2015, 08:08:43 AM
Also, I believe that it is not legal to publically advocate for the violent overthrow of the US Government.  That is not protected speech under the First Amendment.  I think that the other exception would be the equivalent of yelling "Fire" in a crowded theatre.  I can't give you a source for this, it's just general knowledge I have but I think I am correct.  I agree with you about Islam.  It is not a religion, but a political system and should be designated as such.  Just like communism and socialism.

A quick Bing search hit upon the result of your question..

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

That is what I am saying, there is already law that exists that allows the Potus to stop immigration from a nation.

Based on the fact that there is a group there waging war on the U.S.

Protecting due process for citizen's though, is not a waste of time, effort, or money.

That protects us all from the abuses of government.

And yes, all citizen's need that protection. As the latest attempt at grabbing Citizen's rights and stripping them away from the citizen shows. Government is always trying to deprive the citizen of their rights, to increase it's own power.

Quote from: AmericanMom on December 10, 2015, 08:21:29 AM
A quick Bing search hit upon the result of your question..

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

Now ponder those charges for a moment, and think back to a time when the Marxists stated he will "Fundamentally Change America".

Charge his commie ass with treason and be done with it.

Quote from: Solar on December 10, 2015, 09:50:26 AM
Now ponder those charges for a moment, and think back to a time when the Marxists stated he will "Fundamentally Change America".

Charge his commie ass with treason and be done with it.

LOL, while reading through it before posting it my thoughts were the same, This President is one of the biggest offenders

Also, didn't Al Quaeda state that to change America it would have to come from within the Government? Wasn't this right before this Muslim loving idiot was elected, who has he put in power around him, where do his sympathies lie? Is it Americans he protects or is it the Muslims?   If the above link it true what recourse do we as Americans have other then wait him out and hope for better?