Quote from: Solar on December 08, 2015, 05:28:56 AM
Is that enough, or do you need more proof He's Not a Conservative". ?

Hell Trump was a democrat and just become a republican.  So that makes him a RINO, not a conservative. 

Quote from: walkstall on December 08, 2015, 06:48:29 AM
Hell Trump was a democrat and just become a republican.  So that makes him a RINO, not a conservative.

I guess it's all about "FEELINGS".

Quote from: Solar on December 08, 2015, 06:14:15 AM
One more thread that might help clarify the issue.
I'll pick it up from here, but you can start at the beginning if you like.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/trump-is-in/540/

Okay Solar, you have well made your point. He's not a conservative. I find this disappointing. For me to hear someone speak the truth about Islam and saying we need to keep them out of our country is a most welcome thing as I regard Islam as the greatest evil in the world, not least because of the way women are treated under Islam, but it would seem Mr. Trump is a mixed bag. That he horrifies the Left I do like a lot, and also that he has a similar effect on the Republican establishment.

That said, he would seem to be in favor of cloning Obamacare and rebranding it. Obamacare was always about forcing profits into the coffers of the corporations out of our pockets, whether or not we wanted what they are selling, and whether or not we can even afford it. It's national healthcare blackmail. If Trump is supporting that I'm no longer in his corner. Then there is assault weapons ban. What is termed an assault weapon in politics is really just a semi-automatic rifle incapable of select fire for full auto, so it's BS to even call it an "assault weapon." Moreover it's exceedingly rare for them to be used in crimes. The overwhelming favorite of urban criminals would seem to be the 9mm handgun.

I just wish someone truly conservative would come along who sees Islam for what it really is, a militant supremacist ideology under color of religion, spread by the sword and with the goal of enslaving the entire world in dark ages tyranny.

Quote from: Tacoma on December 07, 2015, 03:33:20 PMI will vote Trump against any Marxist/Leninist no matter what....

I think Trump is a loose cannon and an embarrassment. 

Quote from: Vaslovik on December 08, 2015, 08:08:22 AM
Okay Solar, you have well made your point. He's not a conservative. I find this disappointing. For me to hear someone speak the truth about Islam and saying we need to keep them out of our country is a most welcome thing as I regard Islam as the greatest evil in the world, not least because of the way women are treated under Islam, but it would seem Mr. Trump is a mixed bag. That he horrifies the Left I do like a lot, and also that he has a similar effect on the Republican establishment.

That said, he would seem to be in favor of cloning Obamacare and rebranding it. Obamacare was always about forcing profits into the coffers of the corporations out of our pockets, whether or not we wanted what they are selling, and whether or not we can even afford it. It's national healthcare blackmail. If Trump is supporting that I'm no longer in his corner. Then there is assault weapons ban. What is termed an assault weapon in politics is really just a semi-automatic rifle incapable of select fire for full auto, so it's BS to even call it an "assault weapon." Moreover it's exceedingly rare for them to be used in crimes. The overwhelming favorite of urban criminals would seem to be the 9mm handgun.

I just wish someone truly conservative would come along who sees Islam for what it really is, a militant supremacist ideology under color of religion, spread by the sword and with the goal of enslaving the entire world in dark ages tyranny.

Then you're in the Cruz camp.

Quote from: Vaslovik on December 08, 2015, 08:08:22 AM
Okay Solar, you have well made your point. He's not a conservative. I find this disappointing. For me to hear someone speak the truth about Islam and saying we need to keep them out of our country is a most welcome thing as I regard Islam as the greatest evil in the world, not least because of the way women are treated under Islam, but it would seem Mr. Trump is a mixed bag. That he horrifies the Left I do like a lot, and also that he has a similar effect on the Republican establishment.

That said, he would seem to be in favor of cloning Obamacare and rebranding it. Obamacare was always about forcing profits into the coffers of the corporations out of our pockets, whether or not we wanted what they are selling, and whether or not we can even afford it. It's national healthcare blackmail. If Trump is supporting that I'm no longer in his corner. Then there is assault weapons ban. What is termed an assault weapon in politics is really just a semi-automatic rifle incapable of select fire for full auto, so it's BS to even call it an "assault weapon." Moreover it's exceedingly rare for them to be used in crimes. The overwhelming favorite of urban criminals would seem to be the 9mm handgun.

I just wish someone truly conservative would come along who sees Islam for what it really is, a militant supremacist ideology under color of religion, spread by the sword and with the goal of enslaving the entire world in dark ages tyranny.

Your premise is sound and as Solar points out we do have Cruz as a true conservative. All the others claim to be conservative, but not anywhere close to Cruz.

Quote from: carlb on December 07, 2015, 04:16:21 PM
I've been saying this for years. Islam is incompatible with the founding principles of Freedom. At the very least, they must publically renounce Islam. Even then, I don't think I would trust them, but it's a start.

In addition to renouncing Islam, they must agree to stop forcing women to wear garbage bags or headscarves or anything which is dictated by religion.  I see a woman in Kroger's often with a little boy.  She is dressed with a hijab and long rags and he is dressed as an American child.  This must stop if they are to live in the US.  Someday, I'll get those pork chops in her cart, too, when I catch the kid not watching me.

Quote from: Charliemyboy on December 08, 2015, 08:57:48 AM
In addition to renouncing Islam, they must agree to stop forcing women to wear garbage bags or headscarves or anything which is dictated by religion.  I see a woman in Kroger's often with a little boy.  She is dressed with a hijab and long rags and he is dressed as an American child.  This must stop if they are to live in the US.  Someday, I'll get those pork chops in her cart, too, when I catch the kid not watching me.

Super glue a quarter to the floor, point it out to him, while he struggles with the coin, slip her the meat...

I'm in the Cruz camp, but I do enjoy hearing Trump stick it to Obama.  He is giving Liberals heart attacks today with his pronouncement, "No more Muslims."  I think it is a good idea to stop immigration from certain Middle Eastern countries until methods are developed to certify them as safe.   As for it being Unconstitutional, the Constitution does not apply to everyone in the world, not to those living in other countries either.  It applies in the US.  He is also correct when he says that American citizens who go to fight for ISIS should not be allowed to reenter the US.  Ever.  In fact, I think there is a law which says if you fight for a foreign country, you lose US citizenship.

Anyway, Trump is toying with the Libs and I love it.

Hard to miss the media frenzy over this.
They're acting like they finally found the Silver Bullet to kill "Trump the Warewolf"...  LOL

Watch it backfire and Trump's pol numbers rise some more.     The MSM is so out to lunch.

Most of you probably know this, but not having television, I don't get as much news as I'd like, but they probably are doing the same on television.

They keep saying he wants a ban on Muslims coming into this country. PERIOD!

Problem is, that was only HALF the statement.

He said UNTIL we get a handle on this terrorism problem.

They only make him stronger whe everyone sees they're spreading LIES to destroy him.

Every unjust attack is making him stronger.

TED CRUZ stands alone in not condemning Trump on this. They do all act as petty rinos and libs.

Quote from: Solar on December 08, 2015, 08:52:54 AM
Then you're in the Cruz camp.

I may well be, I shall have to look into this Cruz fellow in detail.

Cruz disagrees with keeping all muslims out, with grace.

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"I do not agree with his proposals. I do not think it is the right solution," Cruz said.

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"I recognize that a great many folks in the media would prefer that anybody running for president engage as an ongoing theater critic criticizing the proposals of others," he said. "I do not believe the world needs my voice added to that chorus of critics."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/08/politics/ted-cruz-donald-trump-disagreed/index.html

Quote from: mhughes on December 08, 2015, 10:45:31 AM
Cruz disagrees with keeping all muslims out, with grace.

Well then he might not be my guy. Dick Cheney is saying the same kind of thing, and I don't care for that either. I want them out of my country!

Quote from: Dori on December 08, 2015, 08:26:39 AM
I think Trump is a loose cannon and an embarrassment.

Then you have been hopelessly Grubered....