Cruz currently getting 52% in Kansas. Trump 21%. :thumbsup:
Cruz looking very good in KS with 3.4% reporting. This is a closed primary. :thumbsup:
Quote from: tac on March 05, 2016, 12:55:38 PM
Cruz looking very good in KS with 3.4% reporting. This is a closed primary. :thumbsup:
You mean they haven't "called it" already!!!
Quote from: Bowhntr on March 05, 2016, 12:59:19 PM
You mean they haven't "called it" already!!!
:lol:
Maybe at 3.6% they will.
Quote from: tac on March 05, 2016, 01:03:35 PM
:lol:
Maybe at 3.6% they will.
Exit polls must be showing something in Topeka and Wichita...8% in Cruz leading 50-24 and no call yet
Rubio is a distant 3rd, and getting spanked. :popcorn:
I'm going to be curious as to what the Junction City/Fort Riley area shows :popcorn:
I wads out running errands......just saw what some of the early returns are showing.....am I missing something? This could be historic....is the Trump facade finally crumbling?
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 01:58:49 PM
I wads out running errands......just saw what some of the early returns are showing.....am I missing something? This could be historic....is the Trump facade finally crumbling?
CLOSED caucus/primaries today. Very telling isn't it???
Cruz is also up in Maine 48-35.
Quote from: Bowhntr on March 05, 2016, 01:23:14 PM
I'm going to be curious as to what the Junction City/Fort Riley area shows :popcorn:
Why is that? You from there?
Quote from: Bowhntr on March 05, 2016, 02:00:06 PM
CLOSED caucus/primaries today. Very telling isn't it???
:rolleyes: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 05, 2016, 02:06:35 PM
Cruz is also up in Maine 48-35.
Very early in Maine. Only 5% in. Thats a nice lead but Im not reading much into it with only 5% in.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 02:06:50 PM
Why is that? You from there?
No...I'm from North Carolina. Junction City/Fort Riley is a HIGHLY military area and this is a closed contest. It should give a better indicator of military support as opposed to SC's open primary.
Closed primaries are very telling...Cruz is cruising in Kansas and Maine so far. Go Cruz.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 05, 2016, 02:08:43 PM
Very early in Maine. Only 5% in. Thats a nice lead but Im not reading much into it with only 5% in.
Well, no candidate in any race this cycle has come back from being 10+ points down with 5% counted. Maine wasn't polled, but it isn't a good fit for Cruz. That result seems especially significant to me. I expected Cruz to win Kansas (not double up on Trump, which is amazing), but not the other three states today. One note of caution is that both Maine and Kansas are not only closed, but caucus states. That's Cruz's best set-up, because of the his organization and the level of commitment/enthusiasm in his supporters.
I'm looking forward to seeing results out of Louisiana. Adequate polling was done there, with Trump up about 15. A Cruz win there will show that the last debate was a calamity for Trump......perhaps the straw that broke the camel's back.
Edit: I'm seeing only several hundred votes counted for Maine, so I don't think that's really 5%. In that case, I share Mr. Conservative's caution.
Quote from: Bowhntr on March 05, 2016, 02:15:34 PM
No...I'm from North Carolina. Junction City/Fort Riley is a HIGHLY military area and this is a closed contest. It should give a better indicator of military support as opposed to SC's open primary.
OK, gotcha. That would be a useful indicator.
Is there a reason they havent called Kansas??? 50% of the vote in and Cruz is up by 24 points!
Quote from: mrconservative on March 05, 2016, 02:32:39 PM
Is there a reason they havent called Kansas??? 50% of the vote in and Cruz is up by 24 points!
Is it possible they dont have all the number crunchers working today analyzing every poll and demographic? I was wondering the same thing!
Quote from: mrconservative on March 05, 2016, 02:32:39 PM
Is there a reason they havent called Kansas??? 50% of the vote in and Cruz is up by 24 points!
Was that a sonic
BOOM!Naaa.... just the sound of a Trump Tower falling.
Kids are Celebrating at CPAC...!
Kansas called!! Cruz WINS!!!
Kansas Republican
43% in (Too Early to Call)
Mar 5 2016, 5:34 pm ET
Ted Cruz 49%
Donald Trump 25%
Marco Rubio 15%
John Kasich 10%
Ben Carson 1%
54% in Mar 5 2016, 5:51 pm ET
Ted Cruz 51% (Projected Winner)
Donald Trump 24%
Marco Rubio 14%
Fox calls Kansas for Cruz.
Too bad Kansas isn't one of those states with a 50% threshold. Many of the "proportional" states only assign delegates proportionally until a candidate hits 50% of the vote, either statewide or by congressional district. Kansas isn't one of those. Cruz seems to have been a bit unlucky so far in regard to delegate rules.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 03:08:04 PM
Too bad Kansas isn't one of those states with a 50% threshold. Many of the "proportional" states only assign delegates proportionally until a candidate hits 50% of the vote, either statewide or by congressional district. Kansas isn't one of those. Cruz seems to have been a bit unlucky so far in regard to delegate rules.
Yes, but we'll take 'er!!
Very interesting night so far.......................................
Still see that Maine only showing 5% in. But Cruz is speaking as if he has won Maine already.
Am I missing something?
Quote from: mrconservative on March 05, 2016, 03:18:31 PM
Still see that Maine only showing 5% in. But Cruz is speaking as if he has won Maine already.
Am I missing something?
I've heard that exit polling is VERY favorable to Cruz in both Maine and Kentucky!!!
What's up with Kentucky?
They're doing a caucus this year (one time only?) and were supposed to close at 4 pm.
http://www.wcpo.com/news/political/local-politics/kentucky-gop-caucus-means-long-lines-bad-traffic
Quote from: mrconservative on March 05, 2016, 03:18:31 PM
Still see that Maine only showing 5% in. But Cruz is speaking as if he has won Maine already.
Am I missing something?
All I see is 7% in Mar 5 2016, 4:50 pm ET
Ted Cruz 48%
Donald Trump 35%
Marco Rubio 9%
John Kasich 7%
Ben Carson 0%
Maine doesn't official close until 7 pm.
Quote from: Dori on March 05, 2016, 03:35:51 PM
Maine doesn't official close until 7 pm.
It is 6:39 PM now in Main Saturday, March 5, 2016
Each State uses different election-software.
For Cruz, Kansas is a great win and Maine is a stunning win.
Still a fair amount out in Kansas and I dont want to jinx it but if it holds will this be the FIRST contest on the GOP side with a candidate getting over 50%??
Quote from: Bowhntr on March 05, 2016, 03:45:57 PM
Still a fair amount out in Kansas and I dont want to jinx it but if it holds will this be the FIRST contest on the GOP side with a candidate getting over 50%??
I believe so. Trump's highest I think is 49%
Quote from: mrconservative on March 05, 2016, 03:48:16 PM
I believe so. Trump's highest I think is 49%
Rubio currently in 4th place in ME with >30% in. Ouch.
Quote from: Dori on March 05, 2016, 03:28:46 PM
What's up with Kentucky?
They're doing a caucus this year (one time only?) and were supposed to close at 4 pm.
http://www.wcpo.com/news/political/local-politics/kentucky-gop-caucus-means-long-lines-bad-traffic
I believe the doors will close at 4 and the caucuses then start.
Update. I think your right. It opened at 10 and closed at 4.
Kansas Caucus rules:
25 delegates at-large proportional distribution 10% threshold
12 delegates (3/district) proportional distribution.
3 delegates seated integrated.
40 total delegates
Maine Caucus rules:
23 delegates at-large. 50/10 Mixed distribution.
Kentucky Caucus rules:
45 delegates at-large with proportional distribution 5% threshold
Louisianna Primary rules:
26 delegates at-large proportional 20% threshold
18 delegates (3/district) proportional no threshold
3 delegates integrated
Quote from: LibDave on March 05, 2016, 04:05:21 PM
It will be critical for Cruz to maintain above 50% in Maine. If he is above 50% he takes all of Maine.
Unfortunately, not gonna happen. Very unlikely in my opinion.
Quote from: LibDave on March 05, 2016, 04:05:21 PM
It will be critical for Cruz to maintain above 50% in Maine. If he is above 50% he takes all of Maine.
He is nowhere close to 50% in Maine. Won't happen. Simply beating Trump there will be good enough, in my book.
Quote from: LibDave on March 05, 2016, 04:05:21 PM
It will be critical for Cruz to maintain above 50% in Maine. If he is above 50% he takes all of Maine.
I'm getting tired of your liberal spin. It isn't "critical".
Kasich and Rubio are killing Cruz in Maine. They are preventing from getting 50 percent.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 02:18:50 PM
OK, gotcha. That would be a useful indicator.
Don't give it too much weight, most Military are transient in nature, and tend to keep their hometowns as point of origin.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 04:07:19 PM
He is nowhere close to 50% in Maine. Won't happen. Simply beating Trump there will be good enough, in my book.
Exactly. I'm happy with Kansas alone. Close races are gravy. It just increases the pressure on Rubio to drop and makes him look worse and worse...
Quote from: Solar on March 05, 2016, 04:09:52 PM
Don't give it too much weight, most Military are transient in nature, and tend to keep their hometowns as point of origin.
Maybe you could expand on this comment? I'm not sure I'm clear on the implication.
Is Kansas a winner take all state?
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 05, 2016, 04:16:07 PM
Is Kansas a winner take all state?
I think WTA with over 50%...
Balls.
Quote from: taxed on March 05, 2016, 04:18:20 PM
Oh....
Looks like he's going to fall short of that mark anyway, so good thing it doesn't matter.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 04:20:12 PM
Looks like he's going to fall short of that mark anyway, so good thing it doesn't matter.
Yup.....
Quote from: LibDave on March 05, 2016, 04:03:13 PM
Kansas Caucus rules:
25 delegates at-large proportional distribution 10% threshold
12 delegates (3/district) proportional distribution.
3 delegates seated integrated.
40 total delegates
Maine Caucus rules:
23 delegates at-large. 50/10 Mixed distribution.
Kentucky Caucus rules:
45 delegates at-large with proportional distribution 5% threshold
Louisianna Primary rules:
26 delegates at-large proportional 20% threshold
18 delegates (3/district) proportional no threshold
3 delegates integrated
Kansas at-large delegates will be 18 for Cruz and 7 for Trump most likely. Possibly 17 to 8.
Cruz is also close in Kentucky.
Quote from: LibDave on March 05, 2016, 04:03:13 PM
Kansas Caucus rules:
25 delegates at-large proportional distribution 10% threshold
12 delegates (3/district) proportional distribution.
3 delegates seated integrated.
40 total delegates
Maine Caucus rules:
23 delegates at-large. 50/10 Mixed distribution.
Kentucky Caucus rules:
45 delegates at-large with proportional distribution 5% threshold
Louisianna Primary rules:
26 delegates at-large proportional 20% threshold
18 delegates (3/district) proportional no threshold
3 delegates integrated
Kansas at-large delegates will be 18 for Cruz and 7 for Trump most likely. Possibly 17 to 8.
Maine looks like it will definitely end up being proportional.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 05, 2016, 04:24:05 PM
Cruz is also close in Kentucky.
Yup... if he stays close, it increases the pressure on Rubio. Cruz takes all these states with Rubio out...
Quote from: taxed on March 05, 2016, 04:26:27 PM
Yup... if he stays close, it increases the pressure on Rubio. Cruz takes all these states with Rubio out...
Rubio should have already dropped out. He's the guy who goes to a great party overstays his welcome and craps in the punch bowl.
Quote from: taxed on March 05, 2016, 04:26:27 PM
Yup... if he stays close, it increases the pressure on Rubio. Cruz takes all these states with Rubio out...
Now the talk is shifting to Rubio/Kasich teaming up. Not necessarily as one serving as VP to the other, but coordinating their strategies. Politics is fascinating. It changes like the weather.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 05, 2016, 04:31:01 PM
Rubio should have already dropped out. He's the guy who goes to a great party overstays his welcome and craps in the punch bowl.
...and keeps telling you the story about how he scored a Dolphin's cheerleader...
Cruz won Maine!
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 04:14:39 PM
Maybe you could expand on this comment? I'm not sure I'm clear on the implication.
When people leave home, they don't change their mailing address, and definitely don't change their voter registration, considering that's where their roots are, so electing local leadership remains high.
Point is, most change their duty station three times at a minimum during their time in service, and re-registering to vote is a headache, so most either have their parents fill out their ballots, or they do absentee.
I simply had my dad vote for me while I was in since he knew more about the issues and we were both solid Conservatives, I'd just sign the ballot and send it back, and I'd be willing to bet a lot of servicemen do as well.
Quote from: Bowhntr on March 05, 2016, 03:45:57 PM
Still a fair amount out in Kansas and I dont want to jinx it but if it holds will this be the FIRST contest on the GOP side with a candidate getting over 50%??
97% in
Ted Cruz 48%
Donald Trump 23%
Marco Rubio 17%
Quote from: Hoofer on March 05, 2016, 04:33:42 PM
Cruz won Maine!
He did??? I havent seen it called anywhere?
The (even) more hillbilly-ish regions of Kentucky are going heavily for Trump, which might be skewing the numbers somewhat. Basket case Clay County, for instance, Trump 887, Cruz 335. Unfortunately, there are a lot of hillbilly-ish parts of Kentucky. Cruz might do better in the western and central regions.
Quote from: Hoofer on March 05, 2016, 04:33:42 PM
Cruz won Maine!
Maine will be a wash. About equal delegates for Trump and Cruz.
Kentucky with 7% in shows Trump ahead of Cruz by about 7 %, Rubio is third....wayyy third in just about every place...toldja the last debate sunk his boat. :popcorn:
Quote from: Solar on March 05, 2016, 04:35:28 PM
When people leave home, they don't change their mailing address, and definitely don't change their voter registration, considering that's where their roots are, so electing local leadership remains high.
Point is, most change their duty station three times at a minimum during their time in service, and re-registering to vote is a headache, so most either have their parents fill out their ballots, or they do absentee.
I simply had my dad vote for me while I was in since he knew more about the issues and we were both solid Conservatives, I'd just sign the ballot and send it back, and I'd be willing to bet a lot of servicemen do as well.
OK, I get your drift then.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 05, 2016, 04:36:44 PM
He did??? I havent seen it called anywhere?
Yup, they're calling it.........
https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ
Quote from: LibDave on March 05, 2016, 04:38:49 PM
Maine will be a wash. About equal delegates for Trump and Cruz.
Don't worry... Donald is still competitive... You just need to cheer for Marco to stay in.
Quote from: LibDave on March 05, 2016, 04:03:13 PM
Kansas Caucus rules:
25 delegates at-large proportional distribution 10% threshold
12 delegates (3/district) proportional distribution.
3 delegates seated integrated.
40 total delegates
Maine Caucus rules:
23 delegates at-large. 50/10 Mixed distribution.
Kentucky Caucus rules:
45 delegates at-large with proportional distribution 5% threshold
Louisianna Primary rules:
26 delegates at-large proportional 20% threshold
18 delegates (3/district) proportional no threshold
3 delegates integrated
Maine will be a wash. Even split between Cruz and Trump.
Kansas delegates will be 2/3 for Cruz 1/3 for Trump
Kentucky will favor Trump slightly.
Louisiana polled for Trump. No results yet?
Quote from: taxed on March 05, 2016, 04:43:06 PM
Yup, they're calling it.........
https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ
Never heard of those people. How legit and accurate are they?
Quote from: mrconservative on March 05, 2016, 04:44:21 PM
Never heard of those people. How legit are they?
Legit. And fast.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 05, 2016, 04:44:21 PM
Never heard of those people. How legit and accurate are they?
I'm hoping they have enough data to make that call.... otherwise they take a credibility hit.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 04:44:49 PM
Legit. And fast.
I hope so cause no one else is reporting anything more than 12% in of the vote in Maine.
Quote from: taxed on March 05, 2016, 04:45:38 PM
I'm hoping they have enough data to make that call.... otherwise they take a credibility hit.
They are posting official precinct reports.....just doing it faster, and not necessarily in the same sequence as major media outlets.
So it LOOKS like 2 wins for Cruz so far and Kentucky is gonna be close. Could Cruz actually win Louisiana and make this a 3 of 4 night? Or maybe even pull off the sweep???
8PM EST approaching. Louisiana results should start coming in soon.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 04:49:08 PM
They are posting official precinct reports.....just doing it faster, and not necessarily in the same sequence as major media outlets.
Excellent..............
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 04:49:08 PM
They are posting official precinct reports.....just doing it faster, and not necessarily in the same sequence as major media outlets.
I should clarify......sometimes they post the only vote for certain candidates for a given precinct. For instance, they might have Trump 653, Cruz 0, until the next refresh. Then they'll catch up. Watch out to make sure they have everybody's votes cast every time they post fresh results.
Quote from: Bowhntr on March 05, 2016, 04:49:11 PM
So it LOOKS like 2 wins for Cruz so far and Kentucky is gonna be close. Could Cruz actually win Louisiana and make this a 3 of 4 night? Or maybe even pull off the sweep???
Not really 2 wins for Cruz. Look at the rules. Main will essentially be damn near a tie. Slight win doesn't mean anything in Maine unless you get above 50%. So Maine won't help Cruz make up much ground.
Same for Kentucky with Trump. Trump will reportedly finish with slight lead in Kentucky and rules make it a wash (about even delegates). Claiming a win by a few percentage points is just bragging rights for the stupid.
It is Kansas where Cruz got a good win. 2/3 to 1/3 of the delegates.
Louisiana will be interesting. Pre-primary polling indicated a 20% point lead for Trump.
Quote from: LibDave on March 05, 2016, 04:54:46 PM
Not really 2 wins for Cruz. Look at the rules. Main will essentially be damn near a tie. Slight win doesn't mean anything in Maine unless you get above 50%. So Maine won't help Cruz make up much ground.
Same for Kentucky with Trump. Trump will reportedly finish with slight lead in Kentucky and rules make it a wash (about even delegates). Claiming a win but a few percentage points is just bragging rights for the stupid.
It is Kansas where Cruz got a good win. 2/3 to 1/3 of the delegates.
Louisiana will be interesting. Pre-primary polling indicated a 20% point lead for Trump.
You are showing how stupid you are right now. Do you know that? This has nothing to do with delegates.
Quote from: taxed on March 05, 2016, 04:56:26 PM
You are showing how stupid you are right now. Do you know that? This has nothing to do with delegates.
Nothing to do with delegates? Are you retarded? The convention is ALL ABOUT delegates.
Quote from: LibDave on March 05, 2016, 04:58:36 PM
Nothing to do with delegates? Are you retarded? The convention is ALL ABOUT delegates.
Endgame, yes, it has to do with delegates. But right now, it also has to do with bragging rights to point out the fact that Cruz, and only Cruz, is alternative option to Trump - not Rubio, not Kasich.
Quote from: LibDave on March 05, 2016, 04:58:36 PM
Nothing to do with delegates?
Correct.
Quote
Are you retarded?
No.
Quote
The convention is ALL ABOUT delegates.
Yes, but Cruz winning ME is a statement. The delegate count isn't relevant.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 05, 2016, 05:01:18 PM
Endgame, yes, it has to do with delegates. But right now, it also has to do with bragging rights to point out the fact that Cruz, and only Cruz, is alternative option to Trump - not Rubio, not Kasich.
HAHA. You don't understand primaries at all. Or the rules or ANYTHING about politics. Who cares about bragging rights? That doesn't get you anything.
Quote from: LibDave on March 05, 2016, 04:58:36 PM
Nothing to do with delegates? Are you retarded? The convention is ALL ABOUT delegates.
The campaign is also about perception at this point. Delegate counts won't be decisive in proportional states like these, no matter what. Perception of momentum going forward is still key at this stage.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 05:03:32 PM
The campaign is also about perception at this point. Delegate counts won't be decisive in proportional states like these, no matter what. Perception of momentum going forward is still key at this stage.
Well you keep counting "perception" HAHA. That way you can pretend and stick your head in the sand. The rest of the convention will count delegates.
BTW, I mentioned this to you earlier about proportional votes and pointed out it is precisely why it would be difficult for Cruz to catch up. There is something else you aren't aware of in regards to primaries. Kansas and Maine aren't as important for 2 reasons. They aren't Red States and they aren't all that populated.
Quote from: LibDave on March 05, 2016, 05:03:06 PM
HAHA. You don't understand primaries at all. Or the rules or ANYTHING about politics. Who cares about bragging rights? That doesn't get you anything.
You are wearing thin on me. You can be liberal all you want, but you need to bring something to the table. The campaign is not live or die by a few delegates right now. Trump was polling so high in Maine, they were going to anoint him King of Maine. Yet, it's competitive, despite Trumpers, like yourself trying to spin otherwise against common sense. You don't understand this, so it's confusing to you.
Major metro areas not reporting yet in KY. I expect Cruz will close somewhat. Just depends how far Rubio/Kasich have fallen. Cruz will pick up the lion's share of that vote. I think Jefferson and Fayette Counties could start to tell us if it will ultimately be very close, or if Trump posts a fairly routine win.
Quote from: taxed on March 05, 2016, 05:06:41 PM
The campaign is not live or die by a few delegates right now. Trump was polling so high in Maine, they were going to anoint him King of Maine.
Same thing for Kansas. Latest poll was Trump up 36-30 over Cruz in Kansas. End result was 31 point swing. Cruz up 18 and Trump down 13.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 05, 2016, 05:09:12 PM
Same thing for Kansas. Latest poll was Trump up 36-30 over Cruz in Kansas. End result was 31 point swing. Cruz up 18 and Trump down 13.
Exactly.
Wyoming and Colorado also haven't been assigned yet.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 05, 2016, 05:09:12 PM
Same thing for Kansas. Latest poll was Trump up 36-30 over Cruz in Kansas. End result was 31 point swing. Cruz up 18 and Trump down 13.
Kansas is a Caucus. Thats why.
Louisiana is the real race to watch tonight. It will have the most impact.
Quote from: LibDave on March 05, 2016, 05:10:56 PM
Kansas is a Caucus. Thats why.
Cruz only wins caucus states? OK.
Quote from: taxed on March 05, 2016, 05:12:27 PM
Cruz only wins caucus states? OK.
I didn't say that. He does do better in Caucus states. My point is Caucus states don't tend to abide by pre-caucus polling due to the nature of caucuses. So far his wins have been in caucus states but I don't think that means he can only win those. Texas was great for Cruz and it wasn't a caucus. Texas was critical for Cruz.
Quote from: LibDave on March 05, 2016, 05:06:28 PM
Well you keep counting "perception" HAHA. That way you can pretend and stick your head in the sand. The rest of the convention will count delegates.
BTW, I mentioned this to you earlier about proportional votes and pointed out it is precisely why it would be difficult for Cruz to catch up. There is something else you aren't aware of in regards to primaries. Kansas and Maine aren't as important for 2 reasons. They aren't Red States and they aren't all that populated.
Kansas isn't a Red State? Are you high?
Quote from: LibDave on March 05, 2016, 05:14:52 PM
I didn't say that. He does do better in Caucus states. My point is Caucus states don't tend to abide by pre-caucus polling due to the nature of caucuses. So far his wins have been in caucus states but I don't think that means he can only win those. Texas was great for Cruz and it wasn't a caucus. Texas was critical for Cruz.
I dont care how ever a state votes - a 31 point swing is massive.
I know the big counties arent in yet, but Trump is pulling away in KY.
Quote from: LibDave on March 05, 2016, 05:06:28 PM
Well you keep counting "perception" HAHA. That way you can pretend and stick your head in the sand. The rest of the convention will count delegates.
BTW, I mentioned this to you earlier about proportional votes and pointed out it is precisely why it would be difficult for Cruz to catch up. There is something else you aren't aware of in regards to primaries. Kansas and Maine aren't as important for 2 reasons. They aren't Red States and they aren't all that populated.
Oh dear.... here we go...
Quote from: mrconservative on March 05, 2016, 05:17:12 PM
I know the big counties arent in yet, but Trump is pulling away in KY.
Extreme bias to the heavy hillbilly areas so far. I expect you are right about the ultimate result, but I think it will tighten considerably. Hard to tell how much with 0 returns from the areas that will determine that. I'd predict a Trump win of somewhat less than ten points though. How does that compare with polling?
Quote from: mrconservative on March 05, 2016, 05:17:12 PM
I know the big counties arent in yet, but Trump is pulling away in KY.
Oddly, I'm sort of hoping Cruz loses, but within his vote tally of Marco's. The pressure on Marco will be too much to not drop out. He wouldn't be able to walk down the street without someone throwing tomatoes at him...
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 05:22:01 PM
Extreme bias to the heavy hillbilly areas so far. I expect you are right about the ultimate result, but I think it will tighten considerably. Hard to tell how much with 0 returns from the areas that will determine that. I'd predict a Trump win of somewhat less than ten points though. How does that compare with polling?
Trump was about 18 percentage points up in Kentucky polls over Rubio. Cruz 3rd.
Kentucky is a caucus too though so organization is as important as pre-primary polling.
Kansas was a remarkable turn-around though.
Looks like Cruz got about 6% points from Rubio in Kentucky over the last few days.
Hey! Kasich met the 10% hurdle and got a delegate.
Final Kansas delagates. C24 T9 R6 K1. All 40 allocated.
The way Kentucky is reporting the vote.....seems like they aren't reporting anything until the count is 100% complete at the county level. That's probably why we're getting mostly smaller counties first. Something like 29% of the precincts reporting so far, but that might be only about 15-16% of the vote. When the big counties do report, it could be a big swing.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 05:47:12 PM
The way Kentucky is reporting the vote.....seems like they aren't reporting anything until the count is 100% complete at the county level. That's probably why we're getting mostly smaller counties first. Something like 29% of the precincts reporting so far, but that might be only about 15-16% of the vote. When the big counties do report, it could be a big swing.
Yes this is normal. If you've ever worked as a polling worker or organizer it is much easier to call the at-large delegates than it is to call the district delegates. The district delegates tend to be much closer and difficult to call all of them prior to a complete count. At-large delegates are only a problem when the candidate is close to the threshold.
All the delegates in Kentucky are chosen proportional by district. No at-large so it will take a higher percentage reporting before they will be called.
WOW. Cruz wins Maine by 13!
The Maine GOP Chairman just announced it.
Quote from: LibDave on March 05, 2016, 04:03:13 PM
Kansas Caucus rules:
25 delegates at-large proportional distribution 10% threshold
12 delegates (3/district) proportional distribution.
3 delegates seated integrated.
40 total delegates
Final results C24 T9 R6 K1
Maine Caucus rules:
23 delegates at-large. 50/10 Mixed distribution.
Results C12 T9 K1 1 unassigned
Kentucky Caucus rules:
45 delegates at-large with proportional distribution 5% threshold
Louisianna Primary rules:
26 delegates at-large proportional 20% threshold
18 delegates (3/district) proportional no threshold
3 delegates integrated
Here comes Louisiana!!!!
Quote from: LibDave on March 05, 2016, 05:50:00 PM
Yes this is normal. If you've ever worked as a polling worker or organizer it is much easier to call the at-large delegates than it is to call the district delegates. The district delegates tend to be much closer and difficult to call all of them prior to a complete count. At-large delegates are only a problem when the candidate is close to the threshold.
All the delegates in Kentucky are chosen proportional by district. No at-large so it will take a higher percentage reporting before they will be called.
I'm not talking about delegates, I'm talking about votes. And regardless of how normal it may be, it is not how most of the states have gone about reporting so far in this primary cycle.
Cruz gets 12 delegates in Maine, Trump gets 9 delegates, Kasich gets 1. Marco 0
Quote from: mrconservative on March 05, 2016, 05:51:04 PM
WOW. Cruz wins Maine by 13!
The Maine GOP Chairman just announced it.
Nice!!!
Boy, take Rubio out of the picture and Cruz cleans friggin house! Go Ted!
Quote from: Double D on March 05, 2016, 06:02:09 PM
Boy, take Rubio out of the picture and Cruz cleans friggin house! Go Ted!
LOL. Another one of those guys huh?
The only reason Hillary is leading in the DNC is because of the ridiculous number of Super Delegates. Jeez! 25% of the delegates are super delegates. Hillary could lose 2 to 1 and still tie Sanders.
Great night for Cruz...woot! I love the fact that the media can't ignore him tonight... :thumbup:
Trump continuing to pull away in Kentucky. Initial votes in for Louisiana have Trump up huge.
The Trump supporters must be in utter shock! :lol:
Quote from: LibDave on March 05, 2016, 06:04:04 PM
LOL. Another one of those guys huh?
The only reason Hillary is leading in the DNC is because of the ridiculous number of Super Delegates. Jeez! 25% of the delegates are super delegates. Hillary could lose 2 to 1 and still tie Sanders.
Bye loser.
I just ran a check.....Trump has thus far won in just 2 counties where the average income is higher than the (modest) state average. Both of those, Bullitt and Clark Counties, are hardly what you'd call affluent.
The problem is, Trump is winning depressed counties by large margins, while Cruz is squeaking by in more affluent areas. Just the same, I think the final tally will show a result considerably closer than what seems to be indicated now.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 06:16:26 PM
I just ran a check.....Trump has thus far won in just 2 counties where the average income is higher than the (modest) state average. Both of those, Bullitt and Clark Counties, are hardly what you'd call affluent.
The problem is, Trump is winning depressed counties by large margins, while Cruz is squeaking by in more affluent areas. Just the same, I think the final tally will show a result considerably closer than what seems to be indicated now.
Interesting.....
Decision Desk HQ has called Louisiana for Trump
Quote from: taxed on March 05, 2016, 06:11:25 PM
Bye loser.
Why do you keep banning people just because they aren't 100% on board with the standard way of thinking around here? "Lib" referred to "Libertarian," not liberal.
Your site, do what you want, but this guy seemed to me hardly offensive. You have maybe 2 dozen core posters, and 90% think in lock step. To me, that gets boring. Better to argue with people who disagree with you than essentially post "ditto" in response to those who do.
Just my 2 cents. I'm sure I'd be long gone with the rest of them except that whatever my disagreeable points might be, I'm a solid Cruz supporter. That shouldn't be the criterion. Troll is one thing, but that guy wasn't a troll. Neither was Coolidge23, even though he couldn't give a straight answer to a question. Neither was Skeptic, even though I thought he was at first.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 06:16:26 PM
I just ran a check.....Trump has thus far won in just 2 counties where the average income is higher than the (modest) state average. Both of those, Bullitt and Clark Counties, are hardly what you'd call affluent.
The problem is, Trump is winning depressed counties by large margins, while Cruz is squeaking by in more affluent areas. Just the same, I think the final tally will show a result considerably closer than what seems to be indicated now.
Cruz has closed the gap a tad in KY. No big counties reporting yet. Cruz is currently up in counties bordering Cincinnati.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 06:24:47 PM
Why do you keep banning people just because they aren't 100% on board with the standard way of thinking around here? "Lib" referred to "Libertarian," not liberal.
Eehhh...
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Your site, do what you want, but this guy seemed to me hardly offensive. You have maybe 2 dozen core posters, and 90% think in lock step. To me, that gets boring. Better to argue with people who disagree with you than essentially post "ditto" in response to those who do.
I really don't. We have a lot of disagreement on this forum actually. There's a lot of members who would be banned if that were the case. I just know when they're here to troll. If he was serious, that's one thing, but I promise he wasn't. He was really here to troll.
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Just my 2 cents. I'm sure I'd be long gone with the rest of them except that whatever my disagreeable points might be, I'm a solid Cruz supporter. That shouldn't be the criterion. Troll is one thing, but that guy wasn't a troll.
He was...
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Neither was Coolidge23,
He told one member to eff himself, and told Solar to eff him and his mother... He was a trumper, stuck in 1st gear.
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even though he couldn't give a straight answer to a question. Neither was Skeptic, even though I thought he was at first.
When they turn Trumper and don't have an intellectual post, yet continue to march forward, it's done. I've been doing this long enough now where I literally can spot a troll within a few posts. I promise, I hate banning, because just that, we aren't an echo chamber, but you have to continue to be realistic. He wasn't willing to receive any data and re-process. That's really why.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 05, 2016, 06:28:43 PM
Cruz has closed the gap a tad in KY. No big counties reporting yet. Cruz is currently up in counties bordering Cincinnati.
Yeah, won McCracken (Paducah) by 500 votes. It will depend on Fayette and especially Jefferson. Depends how damaged Rubio is, and how much of that goes to Kasich. Cruz's demographic is right in the middle.....the large urban areas represent just the opposite problem of coal country. Too urbanized, too liberal.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 06:24:47 PM
I'm sure I'd be long gone with the rest of them except that whatever my disagreeable points might be, I'm a solid Cruz supporter.
And no, dude, you totally bring it. You are the real deal and run circles around those trolls.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 06:33:58 PM
how much of that goes to Kasich.
Cruz is winning in counties bordering Cincy. Kasich nearly 2,000 behind in 1 of those 3 counties. 1 of the counties still hasnt reported anything yet.
Gap is beginning to narrow. Slowly, but surely.
Quote from: taxed on March 05, 2016, 06:30:41 PM
Eehhh...
I really don't. We have a lot of disagreement on this forum actually. There's a lot of members who would be banned if that were the case. I just know when they're here to troll. If he was serious, that's one thing, but I promise he wasn't. He was really here to troll.
He was...
He told one member to eff himself, and told Solar to eff him and his mother... He was a trumper, stuck in 1st gear.
When they turn Trumper and don't have an intellectual post, yet continue to march forward, it's done. I've been doing this long enough now where I literally can spot a troll within a few posts. I promise, I hate banning, because just that, we aren't an echo chamber, but you have to continue to be realistic. He wasn't willing to receive any data and re-process. That's really why.
Yeah, I didn't expect you to say, "You know what Cali, you're totally right." I'm just giving you my perspective, as someone who hasn't been here for as many decades (?) as you have. I understand there is a balance. But as long as I've been here, I have not see the "core" grow in the least, when it should during a very lively primary season.
That's just where I come in along the continuum. When I came here, I was seeking refuge from the constant bombardment of professional or otherwise fully committed leftist trolls. I appreciate that this site offers refuge from that, but it comes at a price. I'd appreciate a little more diversity......even when it comes to considerations that aren't strictly political. Some of us just take a different approach to issues or have a different emphasis about what is important (for instance, rather than just posting links to whatever happens to be on favored right-leaning web sites that day).
Ultimately, I think you can measure success in terms of growth, while still maintaining your primary mission. I still contend that if you're stuck with the same 30 people posting day after day, you could be doing better. Again, just my 2 cents. I don't expect to be agreed with, just heard.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 06:45:40 PM
Yeah, I didn't expect you to say, "You know what Cali, you're totally right." I'm just giving you my perspective, as someone who hasn't been here for as many decades (?) as you have. I understand there is a balance. But as long as I've been here, I have not see the "core" grow in the least, when it should during a very lively primary season.
That's just where I come in along the continuum. When I came here, I was seeking refuge from the constant bombardment of professional or otherwise fully committed leftist trolls. I appreciate that this site offers refuge from that, but it comes at a price. I'd appreciate a little more diversity......even when it comes to considerations that aren't strictly political. Some of us just take a different approach to issues or have a different emphasis about what is important (for instance, rather than just posting links to whatever happens to be on favored right-leaning web sites that day).
Ultimately, I think you can measure success in terms of growth, while still maintaining your primary mission. I still contend that if you're stuck with the same 30 people posting day after day, you could be doing better. Again, just my 2 cents. I don't expect to be agreed with, just heard.
I don't disagree. Maybe I am quicker on the trigger, but my Trumper tolerance is at zero. I've concluded it's like trying to punch a zombie in the face. People also come here to read posts from forums that have been overrun by Trumpers. Ain't gonna happen here. Trump loses, but Cruz is still going to lose and Trump is inevitable. We need to slap that BS down instantly, because it does bring conservatives down when they perceive that's the way it is. Conservatism is alive and well, despite liberal propaganda, and we are immune from the "well, Cruz only won because...." crap. That doesn't mean disagreement or contradicting data points, but just "well, you really aren't gonna win" doom and gloom or attempt at psychologically dampening us ain't gonna fly here. It doesn't affect me, because when liberal BS enters my brain, it is instantly torn apart and spit back out. I've come to understand that not every conservative's logical processing unit is configured like mine, so I do want to keep moral up.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 05, 2016, 06:39:07 PM
Cruz is winning in counties bordering Cincy. Kasich nearly 2,000 behind in 1 of those 3 counties. 1 of the counties still hasnt reported anything yet.
Gap is beginning to narrow. Slowly, but surely.
Yeah, Daviess County (Owensboro) Cruz +548. Watch for Oldham County ( suburban/exurban Louisville) if it comes in before Jefferson/Fayette. Any significant Cruz margin there could indicate a possibility for a full on comeback and upset. There's a reason they aren't calling this yet......
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 07:08:36 PM
Yeah, Daviess County (Owensboro) Cruz +548. Watch for Oldham County ( suburban/exurban Louisville) if it comes in before Jefferson/Fayette. Any significant Cruz margin there could indicate a possibility for a full on comeback and upset. There's a reason they aren't calling this yet......
I dont know why nothing has came in yet from those bigger counties. It's making me nervous.
Fayette County votes in. Cruz up in that county by 5%
49% overall in for KY. Still a chunk of east KY not having reported anything at all.
LA is tightening up.....
It's over in KY. Nothing called by Trump won Jefferson County. That pretty much says it all I think.
Quote from: taxed on March 05, 2016, 07:20:19 PM
LA is tightening up.....
LA was called a while ago. Cruz isn't winning. Best hope is a tight ending.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 05, 2016, 07:23:40 PM
It's over in KY. Nothing called by Trump won Jefferson County. That pretty much says it all I think.
Looks funny on my screen. They have Trump trailing by 5K votes with a check mark next to his name......
That's because they didn't post Trumps votes in Jefferson.......
There it is.....damn! One more day, maybe....
Let's see Trump's people try to spin a <5 point win in KY though, where they were supposed to win by 15+.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 05, 2016, 07:24:46 PM
Best hope is a tight ending.
Barney Frank said that once. Or was it twice...
Quote from: taxed on March 05, 2016, 06:11:25 PM
Bye loser.
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Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 07:31:01 PM
There it is.....damn! One more day, maybe....
Let's see Trump's people try to spin a <5 point win in KY though, where they were supposed to win by 15+.
Can Rubio get out please. Cruz should have a clean sweep tonight if it wasn't for Rubio.
Damn Jefferson County.
KY called for Trump.
Cruz won every major county in KY except Jefferson County. Trump won Jefferson county by under 1,000 votes.
Trump won because he ran up the lower educated portion of KY - eastern KY coal mining land.
Looking ahead.......
Between now and March 15.......March 15 primaries are probably too far out to speculate in any detail.
Sunday, Puerto Rico -- Open primary. No polling that I see, but is anyone really trying other than Marco Rubio? Seems to me Rubio wins basically uncontested, which means he exceeds the 50% threshold and wins all 23 delegates.
Tuesday, Mississippi -- Open primary. No applicable polling. Looks like a Trump win, but the state is strictly proportional, so Cruz doesn't get hurt badly as long as he finishes second. 15%/50% thresholds. 40 delegates at stake, could look something like Trump 24, Cruz 16, or Trump 22, Cruz 14, Other 4 (if Rubio and/or Kasich manage to scratch).
Tuesday, Michigan -- Open primary. Inadequate polling, but let's assume the existing polling is mostly accurate and Trump wins. 15%/50% thresholds again, Cruz just needs to make sure he hits 15%, which shouldn't be a problem. Placement doesn't matter. 58 delegates at stake, could look something like Trump 20, Cruz 14, Kasich 14, Rubio 10, or Trump 24, Cruz 17, Kasich 17, Rubio 0 (if Rubio fails to scratch).
Tuesday, Idaho -- Closed Caucus. No polling at all that I see, but possibly a good fit for Cruz. Strictly proportional with 20%/50% thresholds, but if Cruz is organized there and targeting this, why isn't he a threat to hit 50%? This could be the opportunity for Cruz to steal the day. Look at how the other states break down (Michigan and Mississippi). Even if Cruz fares badly there, he could more than make up for it with an Idaho sweep (50% +1 statewide). 32 votes at stake (80% of Mississippi). Possible Cruz sweep, 32-0-0-0.
Tuesday, Hawaii -- Semi-Open Caucus. No polling. 20% lower threshold, no upper. Strictly proportional statewide. The Republican Party of Hawaii appears to be wholly corrupt and an adjunct to the Democrat party there. Conservatives have no real representation. Hard to say what will happen, but it's hard to see any candidate getting clear by more than about 5 EV. 19 votes at stake. Hazarding a guess, Trump 9, Cruz 6, Rubio 4, Kasich fails to qualify.
Saturday, March 12, District of Columbia -- Closed Caucus. No polling. 15%/50% thresholds. Eh......do you really want to win there? Might be better bragging rights in losing. Just hit the 15% barrier, and take a few delegates. 19 votes at stake. Possible outcomes (WAG): Kasich 7, Rubio 5, Trump 4, Cruz 3, or Kasich 9, Rubio 6, Trump 4, Cruz 0 (if Cruz fails to scratch -- he isn't well-liked there).
Saturday, March 12 Wyoming and Guam -- They don't have an actual democratic process in either of those places. Delegates there (Wyoming 29, Guam 9) will be chosen at their respective state or territorial convention, where the ranking muckity-mucks will substitute their own astute judgement for that of the voters.
So there you have it, a big muddle where not much will be settled, at least delegate-wise. The one opportunity for real separation is Idaho, which isn't getting much attention.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 05, 2016, 07:32:51 PM
Can Rubio get out please. Cruz should have a clean sweep tonight if it wasn't for Rubio.
This week is going to be interesting. Rubio is going to be under so much pressure to drop out that I don't see how he won't. I bet he drops out before Florida. He's going to have every conservative-leaning/anti-Trump media personality hounding him relentlessly.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 10:16:15 PM
Looking ahead.......
Between now and March 15.......March 15 primaries are probably too far out to speculate in any detail.
Sunday, Puerto Rico -- Open primary. No polling that I see, but is anyone really trying other than Marco Rubio? Seems to me Rubio wins basically uncontested, which means he exceeds the 50% threshold and wins all 23 delegates.
Tuesday, Mississippi -- Open primary. No applicable polling. Looks like a Trump win, but the state is strictly proportional, so Cruz doesn't get hurt badly as long as he finishes second. 15%/50% thresholds. 40 delegates at stake, could look something like Trump 24, Cruz 16, or Trump 22, Cruz 14, Other 4 (if Rubio and/or Kasich manage to scratch).
Tuesday, Michigan -- Open primary. Inadequate polling, but let's assume the existing polling is mostly accurate and Trump wins. 15%/50% thresholds again, Cruz just needs to make sure he hits 15%, which shouldn't be a problem. Placement doesn't matter. 58 delegates at stake, could look something like Trump 20, Cruz 14, Kasich 14, Rubio 10, or Trump 24, Cruz 17, Kasich 17, Rubio 0 (if Rubio fails to scratch).
Tuesday, Idaho -- Closed Caucus. No polling at all that I see, but possibly a good fit for Cruz. Strictly proportional with 20%/50% thresholds, but if Cruz is organized there and targeting this, why isn't he a threat to hit 50%? This could be the opportunity for Cruz to steal the day. Look at how the other states break down (Michigan and Mississippi). Even if Cruz fares badly there, he could more than make up for it with an Idaho sweep (50% +1 statewide). 32 votes at stake (80% of Mississippi). Possible Cruz sweep, 32-0-0-0.
Tuesday, Hawaii -- Semi-Open Caucus. No polling. 20% lower threshold, no upper. Strictly proportional statewide. The Republican Party of Hawaii appears to be wholly corrupt and an adjunct to the Democrat party there. Conservatives have no real representation. Hard to say what will happen, but it's hard to see any candidate getting clear by more than about 5 EV. 19 votes at stake. Hazarding a guess, Trump 9, Cruz 6, Rubio 4, Kasich fails to qualify.
Saturday, March 12, District of Columbia -- Closed Caucus. No polling. 15%/50% thresholds. Eh......do you really want to win there? Might be better bragging rights in losing. Just hit the 15% barrier, and take a few delegates. 19 votes at stake. Possible outcomes (WAG): Kasich 7, Rubio 5, Trump 4, Cruz 3, or Kasich 9, Rubio 6, Trump 4, Cruz 0 (if Cruz fails to scratch -- he isn't well-liked there).
Saturday, March 12 Wyoming and Guam -- They don't have an actual democratic process in either of those places. Delegates there (Wyoming 29, Guam 9) will be chosen at their respective state or territorial convention, where the ranking muckity-mucks will substitute their own astute judgement for that of the voters.
So there you have it, a big muddle where not much will be settled, at least delegate-wise. The one opportunity for real separation is Idaho, which isn't getting much attention.
I'm most curious about Michigan....... A weakened Trump in a dark blue union state. I'm looking forward to that one the most.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 06:24:47 PM
Why do you keep banning people just because they aren't 100% on board with the standard way of thinking around here? "Lib" referred to "Libertarian," not liberal.
Your site, do what you want, but this guy seemed to me hardly offensive. You have maybe 2 dozen core posters, and 90% think in lock step. To me, that gets boring. Better to argue with people who disagree with you than essentially post "ditto" in response to those who do.
Just my 2 cents. I'm sure I'd be long gone with the rest of them except that whatever my disagreeable points might be, I'm a solid Cruz supporter. That shouldn't be the criterion. Troll is one thing, but that guy wasn't a troll. Neither was Coolidge23, even though he couldn't give a straight answer to a question. Neither was Skeptic, even though I thought he was at first.
they come back with a different name. If trolls could learn to disagree without the profanity, disrespect, childish temper, name calling......... arguing is fine , but they need to bring something to the table when they do.
Hey, Solar. The California moderate thinks we need more trolls.
The GOP is sooooooo hoping that Rubio can take Fla to deny Trump.....I think last night PROVES what I have been saying is right, Marco blew it in the previous debate acting like Eddie Haskell from Leave it to Beaver. CRUZ COULD WIN FLA, it would be a tough fight cuz Trump has "the fix" in, but lotta Cubano's in Fla, lotta older retired folks enough of 'em might see the light of day and be enough to push Ted out in front.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 06, 2016, 03:38:44 AM
Marco blew it in the previous debate acting like Eddie Haskell from Leave it to Beaver.
...in nice shoes!
QuoteCRUZ COULD WIN FLA, it would be a tough fight cuz Trump has "the fix" in, but lotta Cubano's in Fla, lotta older retired folks enough of 'em might see the light of day and be enough to push Ted out in front.
I agree he could win, in a hard fair fight. But we are talking about FLAW-ida, kingdom of the dangling chads, and retirees come there from all over, not just the conservative states. Light a candle and hold good thoughts. Failing that, pray for hurricanes.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 04:31:41 PM
Now the talk is shifting to Rubio/Kasich teaming up. Not necessarily as one serving as VP to the other, but coordinating their strategies. Politics is fascinating. It changes like the weather.
Misery loves company.
It looks like Cruz came out of last night with +15 delegates over Trump according to one tally.
Quote from: taxed on March 05, 2016, 10:16:30 PM
This week is going to be interesting. Rubio is going to be under so much pressure to drop out that I don't see how he won't. I bet he drops out before Florida. He's going to have every conservative-leaning/anti-Trump media personality hounding him relentlessly.
Rubio isn't dropping out. Not happening, at least not before FL. GOPe won't let him.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 06, 2016, 06:23:34 AM
Rubio isn't dropping out. Not happening, at least not before FL. GOPe won't let him.
Are they trying to finish off his political career?
Unlike Cruz and Texans, they loved him, but Rubot and Kasux are hated in their home states for lying to their constituency.
Both should drop out to save the embarrassment.
Quote from: Solar on March 06, 2016, 06:32:42 AM
Are they trying to finish off his political career?
Unlike Cruz and Texans, they loved him, but Rubot and Kasux are hated in their home states for lying to their constituency.
Both should drop out to save the embarrassment.
Rubio isn't running for reelection for his Senate seat. So, he has no other race to fight for. I think that is also playing a factor as to why he isn't dropping out.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 05, 2016, 06:24:47 PM
Why do you keep banning people just because they aren't 100% on board with the standard way of thinking around here?
This is not my forum, but I ran a very large BBS system, decades ago - so I really appreciate the guys who moderate here. It's more than
keeping control of the flame throwers,
what happens after the damage has been done? Mods look like censors, active posters feel restricted, feelings are hurt - because some foul loud mouth (who thought he was entertaining) wasn't bounced.
If the system seems restrictive - go start your own, put up your own $$$, and spend hours upon hours fiddling with hardware / software
instead of doing what you really though you'd enjoy doing. Been there, done that, I'd much rather write - I'm far from good, but like everyone else, we can carry on a lively discussion and enlighten each other. A forum is like a Sports Bar... more watch the game, than participate. I'm just an average guy, so
the pollsters say.
BTW, did you know ... some of the campaigns and news media read this forum? It incumbent on
all of us, to be civil, if we want to be taken seriously.
Trolls are not useful.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 06, 2016, 06:46:43 AM
Rubio isn't running for reelection for his Senate seat. So, he has no other race to fight for. I think that is also playing a factor as to why he isn't dropping out.
Kind of proof that Marco got in over his head without a back up plan.
Here he is, between a rock and a hard place and nowhere to go. Makes one wonder what carrot and stick the Establishment are using to coerce the kid at this point.
Seriously, the kid needs to call it quits before the big embarrassment comes in Fl.
Quote from: Solar on March 06, 2016, 07:13:42 AM
Kind of proof that Marco got in over his head without a back up plan.
Here he is, between a rock and a hard place and nowhere to go. Makes one wonder what carrot and stick the Establishment are using to coerce the kid at this point.
Seriously, the kid needs to call it quits before the big embarrassment comes in Fl.
Marco is really GOOD at spending other's money.
He'll suffer a huge loss in FL, and walk away with his head held high.
and his backers broke....then there's those rattling bones in the closet.
Sooo, how close were the pollsters? Here's what the polls were saying.
Louisiana Republican Presidential Primary University of New Orleans
Trump 38, Cruz 26, Rubio 11, Kasich 5
Trump +12Louisiana Republican Presidential Primary Gravis
Trump 48, Cruz 31, Rubio 15, Kasich 6
Trump +17 Louisiana Republican Presidential Primary Trafalgar Group (R)
Trump 44, Cruz 26, Rubio 15, Kasich 5
Trump +18
Louisiana Republican Presidential Primary Magellan Strategies (R)
Trump 41, Cruz 21, Rubio 15, Kasich 9
Trump +20
Here's what reality looks like. :thumbsup:
QuoteLouisiana
Donald Trump 41.4%
Ted Cruz 37.8%
Marco Rubio 11.2%
John Kasich 6.4%
All Others 3.1%
Looks like the Univ of NO was fairly close.
Kansas Republican Presidential Caucus Fort Hays St. University Trump 26, Cruz 14, Rubio 13, Kasich 3, Carson 3 Trump +12
And here's reality. :lol:
Kansas
Ted Cruz 48.2%
Donald Trump 23.3%
Marco Rubio 16.7%
John Kasich 10.7%
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
That poll really sucked.
Quote from: quiller on March 06, 2016, 02:13:43 AM
Hey, Solar. The California moderate thinks we need more trolls.
You know, for someone who claims to have once been a writer, you sure have your struggles with basic literacy.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 06, 2016, 12:53:31 PM
You know, for someone who claims to have once been a writer, you sure have your struggles with basic literacy.
For someone claiming to be a conservative, how would you know?
Oh not again...
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 06, 2016, 12:53:31 PM
You know, for someone who claims to have once been a writer, you sure have your struggles with basic literacy.
Alas... After you've made-your-point ... left in a fit of anger, and
your posts are buried deep in the archives, you too will be forgotten. Is that what YOU really want?
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 06, 2016, 02:34:54 PM
Oh not again...
Oh, fooey. :lol:
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Quote from: Hoofer on March 06, 2016, 06:54:59 AM
This is not my forum, but I ran a very large BBS system, decades ago - so I really appreciate the guys who moderate here. It's more than keeping control of the flame throwers, what happens after the damage has been done? Mods look like censors, active posters feel restricted, feelings are hurt - because some foul loud mouth (who thought he was entertaining) wasn't bounced.
If the system seems restrictive - go start your own, put up your own $$$, and spend hours upon hours fiddling with hardware / software instead of doing what you really though you'd enjoy doing. Been there, done that, I'd much rather write - I'm far from good, but like everyone else, we can carry on a lively discussion and enlighten each other. A forum is like a Sports Bar... more watch the game, than participate. I'm just an average guy, so the pollsters say.
BTW, did you know ... some of the campaigns and news media read this forum? It incumbent on all of us, to be civil, if we want to be taken seriously. Trolls are not useful.
That's pretty spot on Hoofer. One point CC did raise that I forgot to address was about the membership count. We don't skyrocket members, but slow-grow. We used to have just 5 on at a time, on average per day. Then the next year it was 7 or 10. Then 12. Then 15. Then 20. And that will keep happening. And we really don't police. As conservatives, everyone pretty much just gets along, so we don't need rules. Our only rule is that a lib or whoever coming through needs to prove their positions, since we're not a MSM propaganda distribution medium.
Quote from: Hoofer on March 06, 2016, 02:52:10 PM
Is that what YOU really want?
You're new. I don't just write any more.
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Quote from: taxed on March 06, 2016, 03:12:48 PM
That's pretty spot on Hoofer. One point CC did raise that I forgot to address was about the membership count. We don't skyrocket members, but slow-grow. We used to have just 5 on at a time, on average per day. Then the next year it was 7 or 10. Then 12. Then 15. Then 20. And that will keep happening. And we really don't police. As conservatives, everyone pretty much just gets along, so we don't need rules. Our only rule is that a lib or whoever coming through needs to prove their positions, since we're not a MSM propaganda distribution medium.
He made a good point here....
QuoteA forum is like a Sports Bar... more watch the game, than participate.
This isn't Spartacus, here. We don't have to lug our dead off on their shields.
Quote from: Hoofer on March 06, 2016, 06:54:59 AM
This is not my forum, but I ran a very large BBS system, decades ago - so I really appreciate the guys who moderate here. It's more than keeping control of the flame throwers, what happens after the damage has been done? Mods look like censors, active posters feel restricted, feelings are hurt - because some foul loud mouth (who thought he was entertaining) wasn't bounced.
If the system seems restrictive - go start your own, put up your own $$$, and spend hours upon hours fiddling with hardware / software instead of doing what you really though you'd enjoy doing. Been there, done that, I'd much rather write - I'm far from good, but like everyone else, we can carry on a lively discussion and enlighten each other. A forum is like a Sports Bar... more watch the game, than participate. I'm just an average guy, so the pollsters say.
BTW, did you know ... some of the campaigns and news media read this forum? It incumbent on all of us, to be civil, if we want to be taken seriously. Trolls are not useful.
Sorry I missed this post yesterday due to satellite outages from thunder storms and seriously slow posting connections.
You are exactly Right.
Balance in making this work between heavy handed moderating and keeping an agenda on track is extremely difficult.
Sure, we could open the flood gates and let anyone post anyway they prefer, but there goes messaging from a Conservative POV, including driving away quality posters.
As Taxed pointed out, growing a successful forum like this one takes years, keeping good members while driving out trolls is part art where tact is concerned, one needs to allow them to self ban as in meltdown, as exampled by the lib troll Cooledge.
Your sports bar analogy is spot on, for every player/poster, there is probably more than 100 fans reading their posts, not to mention as you pointed out, the media as well as both party's check in regularly, and people need to be keenly aware of this, because they aren't just talking to a couple of posters, they are influencing thousands as well as setting the narrative, a Conservative narrative.
It's this shared Conservative narrative, a way of life that is totally understood by all Conservatives.
For example when in public, a simple nod or acknowledgement between Conservatives speaks volumes in communication.
It's for this reason we have such a large readership, many wanting to learn and understand the language, while others just read for affirmation of their belief system.
Ya know what's funny? That last paragraph just as well have been written in ancient Sumerian to a lib.
Quote from: Solar on March 06, 2016, 03:41:50 PM
Sorry I missed this post yesterday due to satellite outages from thunder storms and seriously slow posting connections.
You are exactly Right.
Balance in making this work between heavy handed moderating and keeping an agenda on track is extremely difficult.
Sure, we could open the flood gates and let anyone post anyway they prefer, but there goes messaging from a Conservative POV, including driving away quality posters.
As Taxed pointed out, growing a successful forum like this one takes years, keeping good members while driving out trolls is part art where tact is concerned, one needs to allow them to self ban as in meltdown, as exampled by the lib troll Cooledge.
Your sports bar analogy is spot on, for every player/poster, there is probably more than 100 fans reading their posts, not to mention as you pointed out, the media as well as both party's check in regularly, and people need to be keenly aware of this, because they aren't just talking to a couple of posters, they are influencing thousands as well as setting the narrative, a Conservative narrative.
It's this shared Conservative narrative, a way of life that is totally understood by all Conservatives.
For example when in public, a simple nod or acknowledgement between Conservatives speaks volumes in communication.
It's for this reason we have such a large readership, many wanting to learn and understand the language, while others just read for affirmation of their belief system.
Ya know what's funny? That last paragraph just as well have been written in ancient Sumerian to a lib.
That's exactly why I always hated the "well, I'll vote for whoever the nominee. An R is better than a D..." crap. When GOP sees that, Karl Rove slaps high-fives with John Boehner and say "See, this is a hard core conservative site, and they'll even support whatever Marxist we put in front of them. They just need an (R) and we have their vote."
Quote from: taxed on March 06, 2016, 03:45:58 PM
That's exactly why I always hated the "well, I'll vote for whoever the nominee. An R is better than a D..." crap. When GOP sees that, Karl Rove slaps high-fives with John Boehner and say "See, this is a hard core conservative site, and they'll even support whatever Marxist we put in front of them. They just need an (R) and we have their vote."
DING DING DING!!!!
Remember how pissed we used to get over that nonsense?
It's what started a months long campaign against voting for RINO' and ensuring an Establishment lock and continuation of the statusquo.
Which is why I say I'm voting Cruz regardless of the shit the Marxists in the GOP pull.
Thank God we won't have to worry since Cruz will win, but we know the GOP'e prefers a NY Lib Trump to a Conservative any day.
Quote from: Solar on March 06, 2016, 03:41:50 PM
Sure, we could open the flood gates and let anyone post anyway they prefer, but there goes messaging from a Conservative POV, including driving away quality posters.
Or allowing troll-bashers like me too much leeway to drag the forum into disrepute due to all the infighting.
QuoteAs Taxed pointed out, growing a successful forum like this one takes years, keeping good members while driving out trolls is part art where tact is concerned, one needs to allow them to self ban as in meltdown, as exampled by the lib troll Cooledge.
It's also an art to force their hand. :rolleyes:
QuoteYour sports bar analogy is spot on, for every player/poster, there is probably more than 100 fans reading their posts, not to mention as you pointed out, the media as well as both party's check in regularly, and people need to be keenly aware of this, because they aren't just talking to a couple of posters, they are influencing thousands as well as setting the narrative, a Conservative narrative.
Hoo hah, do I want a piece of THAT action, dare they reveal their dastardly selves! :biggrin:
QuoteIt's this shared Conservative narrative, a way of life that is totally understood by all Conservatives.
That and the free coffee and doughnuts you're giving out at the tent revivals.
QuoteFor example when in public, a simple nod or acknowledgement between Conservatives speaks volumes in communication.
And the secret handshake where the stray finger tickles your palm.
QuoteIt's for this reason we have such a large readership, many wanting to learn and understand the language, while others just read for affirmation of their belief system.
Ya know what's funny? That last paragraph just as well have been written in ancient Sumerian to a lib.
Simply look at the facts. Which party has ruled which city since which year, and crime rates began to escalate---beginning with which year? We worry about national internal security not because we want Trump's Nazi-ish lock-up camps. We worry about muggers and robbers and all the usual crooks who got out of hand because America went lax on crime. If we want to stray safe we do not trust Democrats, who would strip us of our guns and hand our lives to the worthless.
I wonder what Vinny thinks of the primaries. He was such a positive guy.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 06, 2016, 04:41:52 PM
I wonder what Vinny thinks of the primaries. He was such a positive guy.
Aren't you getting his newsletter?
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Quote from: quiller on March 06, 2016, 03:20:35 PM
He made a good point here....
This isn't Spartacus, here. We don't have to lug our dead off on their shields.
Keep trying to get that visual out of my head...
Quote from: Hoofer on March 06, 2016, 05:07:21 PM
Keep trying to get that visual out of my head...
Oh, try Clinton versus Trump!
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Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 06, 2016, 04:41:52 PM
I wonder what Vinny thinks of the primaries. He was such a positive guy.
Ouch!! :lol:
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 06, 2016, 04:41:52 PM
I wonder what Vinny thinks of the primaries. He was such a positive guy.
I miss his brilliant real-time election analysis.
I'm fairly new here. Only been here a couple weeks.
Who's Vinny?
Can someone fill me in...?
Quote from: mrconservative on March 06, 2016, 06:39:51 PM
I'm fairly new here. Only been here a couple weeks.
Who's Vinny?
Can someone fill me in...?
He was a doom-and-gloomer who would always tell us how we're losing. His most brilliant moment was early election night in the 2014 mid-term elections as early results were coming back, when he gave some brief commentary and said "Nah, this isn't a wave".
Quote from: taxed on March 06, 2016, 06:23:09 PM
I miss his brilliant real-time election analysis.
Vinny recap "Were All Gonna Die".
Now, back to our regular scheduled programming.
I found the thread:
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/bottom-line-no-wave-tonight/
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: taxed on March 06, 2016, 06:53:01 PM
I found the thread:
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/bottom-line-no-wave-tonight/
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ahhh yes, the historic 2014 TEA WAVE.
I think Vinny spent to much time in the kiddie pool and wouldn't know a wave if it drown his worthless ass.
Quote from: Solar on March 06, 2016, 06:57:37 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ahhh yes, the historic 2014 TEA WAVE.
I think Vinny spent to much time in the kiddie pool and wouldn't know a wave if it drown his worthless ass.
I just read through it... it was hilarious...
Quote from: taxed on March 06, 2016, 06:58:24 PM
I just read through it... it was hilarious...
Same here and now I remember why we got rid of his ass, along with Andy, another Chicken Little.
Quote from: quiller on March 06, 2016, 04:45:48 PM
Aren't you getting his newsletter?
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Indeed I am and I paid extra for the Poison of the Month Club. I just got Sarin on the mail. Oh the fun we had this weekend.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 06, 2016, 04:41:52 PM
I wonder what Vinny thinks of the primaries. He was such a positive guy.
I am not sure he could survive this. His sky would have fallen by now.
Quote from: taxed on March 06, 2016, 06:42:31 PM
He was a doom-and-gloomer who would always tell us how we're losing. His most brilliant moment was early election night in the 2014 mid-term elections as early results were coming back, when he gave some brief commentary and said "Nah, this isn't a wave".
Aw man, I love those type of posters. They always provide a great deal of humor when their fool proof predictions come crashing to the ground. :lol:
Quote from: Hoofer on March 06, 2016, 02:52:10 PM
Alas... After you've made-your-point ... left in a fit of anger, and your posts are buried deep in the archives, you too will be forgotten.
Is that what YOU really want?
Don't care, really. I don't say that just to grandstand.
I'll just keep on doing what I do, and if they want to ban me they will. No harm, no foul. I have nothing invested in this. I was just making a suggestion, presenting a point of view. Obviously it struck a nerve, or you guys wouldn't be droning on about it page after page.
Don't worry about me -- I'm a malcontent, right? -- so I don't matter.
So it doesn't matter if I go away. You'll just assume you eradicated another troll, and keep slapping each other on the back. But it isn't just me. I can anticipate them coming and going by now. The next relevant example is Mr. Conservative. He certainly isn't a troll, and is a worth while poster. He won't be around long term either, because he doesn't think lock step with you guys. I don't mean politically, I mean in general. At some point, he'll lament the lack of content and the pack mentality and get bored and move on.
Lots of good posters like that. Not trolls. Not libs. Not LIVs, as you would call them.
Now, for myself, I'd like to move on to posting about politics and policy. Well, politics anyway. I'm pretty sure some heads would explode around here if an actual policy debate broke out.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 07, 2016, 06:04:50 AM
Aw man, I love those type of posters. They always provide a great deal of humor when their fool proof predictions come crashing to the ground. :lol:
Imagine yourself stuffed into a dark soundproof closet without lights and with dubious air, fearful of the slightest shadow, convinced the world will end if thus-and-so does/does not/might/already has occurred.
That's his open-minded older brother.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 07, 2016, 06:33:42 AM
Don't care, really. I don't say that just to grandstand.
I'll just keep on doing what I do, and if they want to ban me they will. No harm, no foul. I have nothing invested in this. I was just making a suggestion, presenting a point of view. Obviously it struck a nerve, or you guys wouldn't be droning on about it page after page.
Don't worry about me -- I'm a malcontent, right? -- so I don't matter.
So it doesn't matter if I go away. You'll just assume you eradicated another troll, and keep slapping each other on the back. But it isn't just me. I can anticipate them coming and going by now. The next relevant example is Mr. Conservative. He certainly isn't a troll, and is a worth while poster. He won't be around long term either, because he doesn't think lock step with you guys. I don't mean politically, I mean in general. At some point, he'll lament the lack of content and the pack mentality and get bored and move on.
Lots of good posters like that. Not trolls. Not libs. Not LIVs, as you would call them.
Now, for myself, I'd like to move on to posting about politics and policy. Well, politics anyway. I'm pretty sure some heads would explode around here if an actual policy debate broke out.
Well, this is after all a conservative forum, correct? I dont follow your postings so I cant judge but I do often wonder why liberals or moderates want to join conservative forums and then get upset when they arent welcome or they end up banned. If the name of the forum was "melting pot" I could better understand.
Quote from: Double D on March 07, 2016, 06:47:18 AM
Well, this is after all a conservative forum, correct? I dont follow your postings so I cant judge but I do often wonder why liberals or moderates want to join conservative forums and then get upset when they arent welcome or they end up banned. If the name of the forum was "melting pot" I could better understand.
You don't read any of my posts but felt compelled to weigh in anyway? Besides the point that that makes no sense, what are you doing? How do you follow threads by just reading posts from people you are already familiar with?
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 06, 2016, 07:27:33 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Indeed I am and I paid extra for the Poison of the Month Club. I just got Sarin on the mail. Oh the fun we had this weekend.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: Stout fellow!
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Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 07, 2016, 06:51:11 AM
You don't read any of my posts but felt compelled to weigh in anyway? Besides the point that that makes no sense, what are you doing? How do you follow threads by just reading posts from people you are already familiar with?
So your upset at what I posted? Wow. I read your post and made a general post based upon what I read. Am I not allowed to weigh in? I didnt attack you what so ever. Just simply asked a question that makes me wonder. Makes no sense? What makes no sense is non conservatives hanging around conservative forums. Does that apply to you?
Quote from: Double D on March 07, 2016, 07:41:35 AM
So your upset at what I posted? Wow. I read your post and made a general post based upon what I read. Am I not allowed to weigh in? I didnt attack you what so ever. Just simply asked a question that makes me wonder. Makes no sense? What makes no sense is non conservatives hanging around conservative forums. Does that apply to you?
He's not doing so well in this thread, either....
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/news-board/some-confusions/
Yes, you're allowed to weigh in. Spring for donuts, they'll give you your own thread. :wink:
Quote from: Double D on March 07, 2016, 07:41:35 AM
So your upset at what I posted? Wow. I read your post and made a general post based upon what I read. Am I not allowed to weigh in? I didnt attack you what so ever. Just simply asked a question that makes me wonder. Makes no sense? What makes no sense is non conservatives hanging around conservative forums. Does that apply to you?
Not upset, I didn't attack you either, most of the posters I'm referring to being banned were not necessarily non-conservatives, stated policy of the site is not to disqualify people on such grounds anyway, and no, doesn't apply to me, as you'd know if you didn't skip over everything I post.
In regards to what I did post, give it a rest already. It was addressed to taxed, and he read it, and he even understood it, which is more than I can say for a lot of others. Taxed has sufficient reading comprehension skills to carry on an actual conversation. I appreciate that even when he doesn't agree with me.
I smell moderate Republican elitism in the air.
Quote from: quiller on March 07, 2016, 07:50:25 AM
I smell moderate Republican elitism in the air.
You are a walking, breathing stereotype.
No, I just don't tolerate fools well, that's all.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 07, 2016, 07:56:04 AM
You are a walking, breathing stereotype.
No, I just don't tolerate fools well, that's all.
Stereotype? You are dipped in elitism. Tattooed with it.
Let's try the stupid bastards willing to pay California taxes without shooting the crooks who levied those taxes. You people call yourselves conservatives? Bah! You don't have a glimmer what that word means. I live in the Hillsdale College region and have been to Ripon and to Jackson, the two birthplaces of the GOP. I have met and talked to William F. Buckley Jr. and to Barry Goldwater, and to numerous Nixon and Ford and Carter administration people. I know the GOP quite well, thank you. I know to avoid them, for they have failed.
They were Republicans who got us into our present mess and you sound precisely in favor of more just like them. You make claims you refuse to back. I ask: why should we listen to someone like you who refuses to explain their position except to sneer down at us "lessers"?
Quote from: quiller on March 07, 2016, 08:03:58 AM
Stereotype? You are dipped in elitism. Tattooed with it.
Let's try the stupid bastards willing to pay California taxes without shooting the crooks who levied those taxes. You people call yourselves conservatives? Bah! You don't have a glimmer what that word means. I live in the Hillsdale College region and have been to Ripon and to Jackson, the two birthplaces of the GOP. I have met and talked to William F. Buckley Jr. and to Barry Goldwater, and to numerous Nixon and Ford and Carter administration people. I know the GOP quite well, thank you. I know to avoid them, for they have failed.
They were Republicans who got us into our present mess and you sound precisely in favor of more just like them. You make claims you refuse to back. I ask: why should we listen to someone like you who refuses to explain their position except to sneer down at us "lessers"?
I'm smeared by association with California because I live there? The irony is thick, coming from a man in a state ready to go the polls tomorrow and nominate Donald Trump by a wide margin. Don't worry Quiller, I don't put that on you.
I really don't understand the beef you have with me. The "elitist" assumption is so far off it's laughable. I simply don't have a lot of patience with people that don't get it. What is it you'd like me to explain? I post what I post and I repeat myself way more than I think should be necessary. What else would you want out of me? I don't consider you a lesser, at least not until you interject simply to call names and insult me, which you do quite regularly.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 07, 2016, 06:33:42 AM
Don't care, really. I don't say that just to grandstand.
I'll just keep on doing what I do, and if they want to ban me they will. No harm, no foul. I have nothing invested in this. I was just making a suggestion, presenting a point of view. Obviously it struck a nerve, or you guys wouldn't be droning on about it page after page.
Oh good lord CC. Who wants to ban you?
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Don't worry about me -- I'm a malcontent, right? -- so I don't matter.
So it doesn't matter if I go away. You'll just assume you eradicated another troll, and keep slapping each other on the back.
Jeesus CC, we're not an echo chamber. I disagree with most on drug legalization (I'm was more radical libertarian on that issue, but I've changed a lot by reading Billy's posts over the years) and want to eliminate the IRS for a NRST -- some think that's crazy and just simply want a lower income tax rate. During the Trayvon Martin drama, MDGiles and Charliemyboy disagreed with most of us. I'm not certain Kit and Redbeard will vote for Cruz. Some here think Snowden was a hero, and others a traitor. I think if Cruz tried to introduce himself to quiller and shake his hand, quiller would go vomit in a trash can because Cruz is a politician. Boo thinks plaid trousers look good with a cuffed shirt -- I mean just madness. I could go on and on and on. Shooter thinks Ron Paul walks on water, but would actually hold his nose and vote for Cruz. Last time I checked, we're all still members here and get along fine, because we're rooted in conservative principals... or at the least, agree liberal blood tastes sweet. This notion that we all are lemmings is just ridiculous and unfounded. We all come from different places in society and have different upbringings and experiences, so we won't all agree on everything. We're normal Americans, hence we do our own thinking. If you want to see lock-and-step, go check out a liberal forum. That just isn't us. We're free thinkers and here other points of view.
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But it isn't just me. I can anticipate them coming and going by now. The next relevant example is Mr. Conservative. He certainly isn't a troll, and is a worth while poster. He won't be around long term either, because he doesn't think lock step with you guys. I don't mean politically, I mean in general. At some point, he'll lament the lack of content and the pack mentality and get bored and move on.
I like him too, and I'd like him to stay. I have no idea why you think he wouldn't fit in here, but whatever. We are all pretty much independent, but congregate here because we're conservatives. We've had a share of good posters leave because we're more bare-knuckled. Some like it and stay, others don't and leave. I can tell you, however, liberal and Marxists propaganda won't survive here.
New poll out today from Idaho has Trump up 11.
Trump 30
Cruz 19
Rubio 11
Kasich 5
Other/Undecided 35
Quote from: mrconservative on March 07, 2016, 02:57:47 PM
New poll out today from Idaho has Trump up 11.
Trump 30
Cruz 19
Rubio 11
Kasich 5
Other/Undecided 35
Apparently Donald is not getting his rally supporters and the polls to line up with his actual votes...thus the rally pledge in florida. Hope this is the case here...
Gentlemen, we have elections to worry about.
Quote from: redsun on March 07, 2016, 03:35:49 PM
Gentlemen, we have elections to worry about.
You can go ahead and worry. Not me.
You know what? It's pretty obvious once you think about it, but there's a very good chance Rubio gets shut out tomorrow. We don't have most of the polling we'd need to know for sure, but that's beginning to look like the most likely outcome. Zero delegates out of four states. How might that affect his commitment to stay in the race another week?
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 07, 2016, 04:52:50 PM
You know what? It's pretty obvious once you think about it, but there's a very good chance Rubio gets shut out tomorrow. We don't have most of the polling we'd need to know for sure, but that's beginning to look like the most likely outcome. Zero delegates out of four states. How might that affect his commitment to stay in the race another week?
I've been thinking about that. I saw mrconservative say 500k already voted. If there is any chunk of that Rubio, do you think Cruz takes FL? It seems so to me. We know Trump stays at his ~30% ceiling.
Quote from: taxed on March 07, 2016, 04:54:13 PM
I've been thinking about that. I saw mrconservative say 500k already voted. If there is any chunk of that Rubio, do you think Cruz takes FL? It seems so to me. We know Trump stays at his ~30% ceiling.
I actually heard today that the majority of early voters in FL have actually been for Rubio. I don't see how that's true though. That would really go against the trend this far because Trump has cleaned up in every state in regards to early voters.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 07, 2016, 04:57:41 PM
I actually heard today that the majority of early voters in FL have actually been for Rubio. I don't see how that's true though. That would really go against the trend this far because Trump has cleaned up in every state in regards to early voters.
My gut is telling me Cruz takes FL. I don't want to get ahead of myself, but I sure wouldn't be shocked at this point.
Quote from: taxed on March 07, 2016, 04:54:13 PM
I've been thinking about that. I saw mrconservative say 500k already voted. If there is any chunk of that Rubio, do you think Cruz takes FL? It seems so to me. We know Trump stays at his ~30% ceiling.
Florida is eight days out, with yet another debate in the interim. A lot could change. Tomorrow's vote could sway perceptions. If I had to guess, I'd say no, given that as late as even yesterday, Cruz's tactic in Florida still seemed to be blocking Rubio. The moonshot scenario is if Rubio bombs again tomorrow, his polling in Florida goes down, and he decides to chuck it early in an effort to stop Trump. He could participate in the debate and just go nuclear on Trump, then suspend and publicly endorse Cruz. It would be a great way to get the last laugh on Christie.
Short of something like that, my guess would be not likely for Cruz to pull it out, but like I say, 8 days is forever with this stuff.
Quote from: taxed on March 07, 2016, 04:59:01 PM
My gut is telling me Cruz takes FL. I don't want to get ahead of myself, but I sure wouldn't be shocked at this point.
I wish but I give it about a 7% chance that Cruz wins FL. Trump is sure to get big amounts of votes in the Palm Beach area, also the counties bordering Alabama and Georgia are likely to go for Trump, I believe. In the recent days I've suddenly seen a spike of Trump signage, stickers, etc in and around the eastern part of central FL.
With Rubio polling at 30%, I just don't see how enough Rubio voters break for Cruz in the end to give Cruz a win here in FL.
Quote from: taxed on March 07, 2016, 03:38:46 PM
You can go ahead and worry. Not me.
That I will do.
Quote from: taxed on March 07, 2016, 04:59:01 PM
My gut is telling me Cruz takes FL. I don't want to get ahead of myself, but I sure wouldn't be shocked at this point.
If it were to happen, the nomination process might be over for practical intents at that point. So much for Trump's inevitability.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 07, 2016, 05:17:33 PM
If it were to happen, the nomination process might be over for practical intents at that point. So much for Trump's inevitability.
Exactly. I already have it factored in that Cruz loses, but it would totally be a kill shot if he wins.
You guys are much more optimistic than myself. I'm just hoping for a squeezing out of 2nd, at best.
If Cruz doesn't have a good day tomorrow, no reason to think FL would turn out great for him. A good day tomorrow, so at least 1 win, is vital for going into March 15th for Cruz. In my opinion at least.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 07, 2016, 05:26:35 PM
You guys are much more optimistic than myself. I'm just hoping for a squeezing out of 2nd, at best.
If Cruz doesn't have a good day tomorrow, no reason to think FL would turn out great for him. A good day tomorrow, so at least 1 win, is vital for going into March 15th for Cruz. In my opinion at least.
if you think I sound more optimistic than 7%, I should be clearer. I described about a four-cushion bank shot to get Cruz over the line. You are right, he certainly isn't going to get there with Rubio hovering around 30%.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 07, 2016, 05:02:48 PM
Florida is eight days out, with yet another debate in the interim. A lot could change. Tomorrow's vote could sway perceptions. If I had to guess, I'd say no, given that as late as even yesterday, Cruz's tactic in Florida still seemed to be blocking Rubio. The moonshot scenario is if Rubio bombs again tomorrow, his polling in Florida goes down, and he decides to chuck it early in an effort to stop Trump. He could participate in the debate and just go nuclear on Trump, then suspend and publicly endorse Cruz. It would be a great way to get the last laugh on Christie.
Short of something like that, my guess would be not likely for Cruz to pull it out, but like I say, 8 days is forever with this stuff.
An estimated 20% of Florida's votes have already been registered and Early voting continues all week Very good chance that as much as 40% will vote before the 15th. It could be done but more then likely Ted will be the spoiler cutting into Rubio more then Trump! If Rubio was to lose big it should kill any chance he has to continue his campaign. The Money people will run from him.
If Rubio dies in Florida Cruz will be the only one left standing that can stop Trump! Will they support him? Most of the RINO Party leaders hate him more then Trump! :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Quote from: mrconservative on March 07, 2016, 05:26:35 PM
You guys are much more optimistic than myself. I'm just hoping for a squeezing out of 2nd, at best.
If Cruz doesn't have a good day tomorrow, no reason to think FL would turn out great for him. A good day tomorrow, so at least 1 win, is vital for going into March 15th for Cruz. In my opinion at least.
That's pretty much what everyone is saying, including polls, but I'll give him 12 to 14%+, which isn't much, but no where near as bad as pollsters.
Quote from: redbeard on March 07, 2016, 05:35:08 PM
An estimated 20% of Florida's votes have already been registered and Early voting continues all week Very good chance that as much as 40% will vote before the 15th. It could be done but more then likely Ted will be the spoiler cutting into Rubio more then Trump! If Rubio was to lose big it should kill any chance he has to continue his campaign. The Money people will run from him.
If Rubio dies in Florida Cruz will be the only one left standing that can stop Trump! Will they support him? Most of the RINO Party leaders hate him more then Trump! :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Could the base afford to destroy Trump and then not back the next in line guy? I mean, they are spending ALOT of money to get rid of Trump. If they succeed, I dont see them moving their focus to Cruz but I could be wrong. I know they want Bush or Rubio...
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 07, 2016, 04:52:50 PM
You know what? It's pretty obvious once you think about it, but there's a very good chance Rubio gets shut out tomorrow. We don't have most of the polling we'd need to know for sure, but that's beginning to look like the most likely outcome. Zero delegates out of four states. How might that affect his commitment to stay in the race another week?
I hope you are correct.
I was just reading that big donors are quite apprehensive to give anymore money to Rubio's campaign. They don't wanna spend money only to have it be flushed down the drain if Rubio fails to win FL.
If Rubio wins Flori-duh, I'd wanna play Gore and ask for a recount. I know I probably sound like the liberal media types who said they don't know how Bush won because they don't know anyone who voted for him, but I am in hurricane alley and everything I see, hear, and read down here backs up my belief that no good Floridian will cast their vote for Marco Rubio. The one thing I can guarantee at least, I know of 4 votes for sure that will NOT go to Trump or Rubio, so Cruz has at least 4 down here :thumbsup:
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 07, 2016, 08:16:30 AM
I'm smeared by association with California because I live there? The irony is thick, coming from a man in a state ready to go the polls tomorrow and nominate Donald Trump by a wide margin. Don't worry Quiller, I don't put that on you.
I really don't understand the beef you have with me. The "elitist" assumption is so far off it's laughable. I simply don't have a lot of patience with people that don't get it. What is it you'd like me to explain? I post what I post and I repeat myself way more than I think should be necessary. What else would you want out of me? I don't consider you a lesser, at least not until you interject simply to call names and insult me, which you do quite regularly.
I asked you to prove a smear against another CPF member and you RAN.
I asked you again. YOU RAN.
It's in your court about that Russian influence. Prove your case.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 07, 2016, 05:58:37 PM
I was just reading that big donors are quite apprehensive to give anymore money to Rubio's campaign. They don't wanna spend money only to have it be flushed down the drain if Rubio fails to win FL.
I have heard Ed Rollins say several times Rubio can stay in if he loses FL, but he will be doing so in a pickup truck and Greyhound bus because the money will dry up.
Quote from: ZiggyShrugs on March 07, 2016, 06:53:18 PM
If Rubio wins Flori-duh, I'd wanna play Gore and ask for a recount. I know I probably sound like the liberal media types who said they don't know how Bush won because they don't know anyone who voted for him, but I am in hurricane alley and everything I see, hear, and read down here backs up my belief that no good Floridian will cast their vote for Marco Rubio. The one thing I can guarantee at least, I know of 4 votes for sure that will NOT go to Trump or Rubio, so Cruz has at least 4 down here :thumbsup:
My wife and I have already voted for Ted and my whole family plans to do the same. A friend of mines wife votes liberal but she is on record saying she is voting Rubio. I think alot of the rural parts of Fl will go Cruz.
Quote from: quiller on March 08, 2016, 01:26:32 AM
I asked you to prove a smear against another CPF member and you RAN.
I asked you again. YOU RAN.
It's in your court about that Russian influence. Prove your case.
You are up at 3:30 AM local Michigan time to harangue your favorite CPF poster?
Let's piece this together. If last call at the bars was 2 AM.......
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 08, 2016, 07:50:14 AM
You are up at 3:30 AM local Michigan time to harangue your favorite CPF poster?
Let's piece this together. If last call at the bars was 2 AM.......
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Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 08, 2016, 07:50:14 AM
You are up at 3:30 AM local Michigan time to harangue your favorite CPF poster?
Let's piece this together. If last call at the bars was 2 AM.......
You should be aware that adults don't keep children's hours. Go play, sonny. Nice try, no cigar.
Quote from: quiller on March 08, 2016, 01:26:32 AM
I asked you to prove a smear against another CPF member and you RAN.
I asked you again. YOU RAN.
It's in your court about that Russian influence. Prove your case.
Prove your case, California Democrat Lite.
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He runs like a scalded dog rather than support his own smear, and then snivels how much better he is than anyone else? He has that same insufferable sense of entitlement, just like any other oh-too-ordinary leftist parasite.
He expects to be taken seriously, then where is his case? Why does he expect to shoot off his ignorant mouth but not support it once challenged?
Just how stupid does he think we really are?
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Quote from: quiller on March 08, 2016, 09:09:58 AM
Just how stupid does he think we really are?
Frankly? Pretty stupid.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 08, 2016, 09:19:59 AM
Frankly? Pretty stupid.
I work a regular job, missing most of the daytime "stuff".
Cali - you're losing the audience you had, with this insulting behavior.
... I find myself skipping over your "one line posts", and skimming the longer ones, hoping you might have something worthwhile to read.
been doing more skipping than skimming lately... interesting threads are being trashed.
Quote from: Hoofer on March 08, 2016, 01:44:40 PM
I work a regular job, missing most of the daytime "stuff".
Cali - you're losing the audience you had, with this insulting behavior.
... I find myself skipping over your "one line posts", and skimming the longer ones, hoping you might have something worthwhile to read.
been doing more skipping than skimming lately... interesting threads are being trashed.
Funny you should be offended by the response......but say nothing of the attacks.
All I've done recently is.....
1. Express an opinion that moderators/administrators here are too quick to ban people.
2. Point out that there is a poster who regularly starts threads with a pro-Russian (Kremlin) point of view.
3. Point out, correctly, that Ted Cruz will not win more than 1236 first-ballot, pledged delegates in the nomination process.
For these things, I am under almost unceasing attack. What, I'm not supposed to defend myself?
You have a poster who stayed up, or got up, at 3:30 in the morning to re-ignite a dead dispute which had no merit in the first place, who is importing old and trivial complaints from other threads that have no relevance here. In case you haven't noticed, I'm the one who is trying to steer the discussion back on topic (at least twice in this thread, for instance).
The response you quote me on is in direct response to yet another unprovoked attack on me, and doesn't reference the entire forum. Why would you assume I mean anybody except Quiller? And yes, I think Quiller's attacks, and his whole mentality is pretty stupid.
I didn't reference or imply you, or anyone else.
I have a fair amount of respect for you, and I am inclined to give consideration to what you say, but you'd have to explain to me why it doesn't cut both ways. I'd like nothing better than to simply stay on topic.
I told this moron that I did not keep children's hours. (Once more with feeling: I do not keep regular hours.)
He somehow converts that into me getting up solely for him? Hayzeus Christie, the ego on this fool!!!!
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 08, 2016, 02:35:41 PM
You have a poster who stayed up, or got up, at 3:30 in the morning to re-ignite a dead dispute which had no merit in the first place, who is importing old and trivial complaints from other threads that have no relevance here. In case you haven't noticed, I'm the one who is trying to steer the discussion back on topic (at least twice in this thread, for instance).
The response you quote me on is in direct response to yet another unprovoked attack on me, and doesn't reference the entire forum. Why would you assume I mean anybody except Quiller? And yes, I think Quiller's attacks, and his whole mentality is pretty stupid.
I didn't reference or imply you, or anyone else.
I have a fair amount of respect for you, and I am inclined to give consideration to what you say, but you'd have to explain to me why it doesn't cut both ways. I'd like nothing better than to simply stay on topic.
You sneer down at people and expect civility? Buckle up, sonny.
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They havent called it but Trump appears will end up winning Mississippi. He reportedly has a "sizable" lead over Cruz, who is in 2nd. Kasich and Rubio in a distant 3rd and 4th.
Cruz losing the evangelical vote in Mississippi 40-45 to Trump.
I think that tells someone all they need to know about the Mississippi results.
Early results for Michigan
Kasich and Trump tied at 35, Cruz 19
Quote from: Dori on March 08, 2016, 05:17:19 PM
Early results for Michigan
Kasich and Trump tied at 35, Cruz 19
I wonder, how many did what Romney called upon to do. Vote for the most likely person to beat Trump in each state despite supporting someone else. How many Cruz and Rubio supporters voted for Kasich in Michigan?
Mississippi just called for Trump. Exit polling shows a big win in Mississippi.
I'm looking at the first results from Macomb county. That is truly distressing. That's exactly the constituency Cruz needed to target. I've been saying it for weeks here, over a year generally. Both for the primaries and the general. To do better in Oakland county than Macomb shows his messaging has been wrong.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 08, 2016, 05:25:22 PM
I'm looking at the first results from Macomb county. That is truly distressing. That's exactly the constituency Cruz needed to target. I've been saying it for weeks here, over a year generally. Both for the primaries and the general. To do better in Oakland county than Macomb shows his messaging has been wrong.
What site do you use to look at results
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 08, 2016, 05:25:22 PM
I've been saying it for weeks here, over a year generally.
You lie. You signed in here on January 15, 2016 and have NOT been saying things here for more than a year --- unless you ARE a troll and just gave yourself away here. Which is it, Sparky?
MY PROOF:
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/profile/?u=6703
Quote from: mrconservative on March 08, 2016, 05:29:06 PM
What site do you use to look at results
http://www.decisiondeskhq.com/march-8th-gop/ (http://www.decisiondeskhq.com/march-8th-gop/)
Quote from: quiller on March 08, 2016, 05:29:43 PM
You lie. You signed in here on January 15, 2016 and have NOT been saying things here for more than a year --- unless you ARE a troll and just gave yourself away here. Which is it, Sparky?
MY PROOF:
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/profile/?u=6703
Yeah, that's weeks. About eight, to be exact. "Generally" means in general....to other people, on other sites.
I'm happy to help you with your literacy issues, but really, your childishness has gotten out of hand. Forgive me while I ignore you going forward.
If Cruz cant win Idaho, momentum from Saturday is mostly gone.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 08, 2016, 05:35:11 PM
Yeah, that's weeks. About eight, to be exact. "Generally" means in general....to other people, on other sites.
I'm happy to help you with your literacy issues, but really, your childishness has gotten out of hand. Forgive me while I ignore you going forward.
You accuse someone of something, back down on proving it, slur management more than once on how they run THEIR SITE and yet you think we consider you to be a true conservative? No, Sparky, we do not. I just say it more colorfully.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 08, 2016, 05:36:36 PM
If Cruz cant win Idaho, momentum from Saturday is mostly gone.
Well, today never set up for him well anyway. Could have done better in Michigan, I think, had he targeted it.
The best news that could come out of it is if Rubio does badly enough he pulls out early. Even better if he decided to man up and back Cruz.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 08, 2016, 05:36:36 PM
If Cruz cant win Idaho, momentum from Saturday is mostly gone.
He isn't winning Michigan.
http://www.fox2detroit.com/michigan-election-results
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 08, 2016, 02:35:41 PM
Funny you should be offended by the response......but say nothing of the attacks.
All I've done recently is.....
1. Express an opinion that moderators/administrators here are too quick to ban people.
2. Point out that there is a poster who regularly starts threads with a pro-Russian (Kremlin) point of view.
3. Point out, correctly, that Ted Cruz will not win more than 1236 first-ballot, pledged delegates in the nomination process.
For these things, I am under almost unceasing attack. What, I'm not supposed to defend myself?
You have a poster who stayed up, or got up, at 3:30 in the morning to re-ignite a dead dispute which had no merit in the first place, who is importing old and trivial complaints from other threads that have no relevance here. In case you haven't noticed, I'm the one who is trying to steer the discussion back on topic (at least twice in this thread, for instance).
The response you quote me on is in direct response to yet another unprovoked attack on me, and doesn't reference the entire forum. Why would you assume I mean anybody except Quiller? And yes, I think Quiller's attacks, and his whole mentality is pretty stupid.
I didn't reference or imply you, or anyone else.
I have a fair amount of respect for you, and I am inclined to give consideration to what you say, but you'd have to explain to me why it doesn't cut both ways. I'd like nothing better than to simply stay on topic.
a. I am not offended by anything you're said, apart from the mud slinging, you've had some interesting insight, and I'd like to hear more - minus the cutting comments.
b. Moderators own the system, they can ban whom ever they want, get over it - we are their "guests".
Nobody has asked me to contribute, the website isn't popping up ads right and left -
yet someone is paying for it. I can easily live within their rules, and the direction they wish to take this forum.
I'm not intending this in a condemning tone, but as advice, 'cause I'd rather listen to you, without the mud. Consider it a compliment.
c. Yeah, I ignore the Russian - when I figured out every link goes to RT (Russian Times), and did a little background checking. It's not "our" call, if they want a knucklehead steeped in Communism posting stupid stuff ... well, we know there are others - just ignore them.
d. From the internal polling, you and I agree, this primary is completely unpredictable - as I've cited 40% of the South Carolina were undecided 2 days before. Cruz can indeed pull this out, I hope he does - but, both of us could be wrong and Kasich might surprise us all. All speculation - nothing is fixed in stone.
I got hit a few times when I found this site, and I decided to stick around, because there are other SMART people here (like yourself), I wanted to talk to, and get their opinions. One of the mods mentioned, you need to EARN their respect.... still working on that, we're not all lock-step, brain-dead, you're certainly not - but, any one of us can quickly wear out our welcome with just a few posts done in haste.
Cut both ways...? We're riding in their Limo, Bus, back of their pickup truck. They bought it, put the gas in it, we're guests. The rest is your choice, if I can tolerate a Russian spewing propaganda (or ignore him) - I and certain, you could easily take the guy apart, chew him up, spit him out and use what's left as a doormat. There are a lot of crummy systems / forums besides this, right? We both have tough enough hides to ignore the insults, don't we?
Just saw where Trump is pulling way ahead of Kasich in Mich, Kasich is about 6% behind him, Cruz is at 20%
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 08, 2016, 05:39:18 PM
Well, today never set up for him well anyway. Could have done better in Michigan, I think, had he targeted it.
The best news that could come out of it is if Rubio does badly enough he pulls out early. Even better if he decided to man up and back Cruz.
Right now, all signs point to Trump winning easily in MS. If Kasich and Rubio finish in single digits there and Trump wins by double digits, then that says to me that Rubio votes in MS have largely went to Trump and not Cruz.
Theres a 50% threshold to take all delegates in MS. That would be devestating if Trump broke 50%.
Also, it doesnt appears at the moment that Cruz getting the MS Gov endorsement has made little difference.
Quote from: Hoofer on March 08, 2016, 05:42:29 PM
a. I am not offended by anything you're said, apart from the mud slinging, you've had some interesting insight, and I'd like to hear more - minus the cutting comments.
b. Moderators own the system, they can ban whom ever they want, get over it - we are their "guests".
Nobody has asked me to contribute, the website isn't popping up ads right and left - yet someone is paying for it. I can easily live within their rules, and the direction they wish to take this forum.
I'm not intending this in a condemning tone, but as advice, 'cause I'd rather listen to you, without the mud. Consider it a compliment.
c. Yeah, I ignore the Russian - when I figured out every link goes to RT (Russian Times), and did a little background checking. It's not "our" call, if they want a knucklehead steeped in Communism posting stupid stuff ... well, we know there are others - just ignore them.
d. From the internal polling, you and I agree, this primary is completely unpredictable - as I've cited 40% of the South Carolina were undecided 2 days before. Cruz can indeed pull this out, I hope he does - but, both of us could be wrong and Kasich might surprise us all. All speculation - nothing is fixed in stone.
I got hit a few times when I found this site, and I decided to stick around, because there are other SMART people here (like yourself), I wanted to talk to, and get their opinions. One of the mods mentioned, you need to EARN their respect.... still working on that, we're not all lock-step, brain-dead, you're certainly not - but, any one of us can quickly wear out our welcome with just a few posts done in haste.
Cut both ways...? We're riding in their Limo, Bus, back of their pickup truck. They bought it, put the gas in it, we're guests. The rest is your choice, if I can tolerate a Russian spewing propaganda (or ignore him) - I and certain, you could easily take the guy apart, chew him up, spit him out and use what's left as a doormat. There are a lot of crummy systems / forums besides this, right? We both have tough enough hides to ignore the insults, don't we?
I appreciate the response. I'll holler back in more detail later. Right now I'm wrapped up in this results thing and reading a lot of other stuff.
Cruz will finish second, says The Right Scoop.
http://therightscoop.com/donald-trump-wins-mississippi/
Quote from: mrconservative on March 08, 2016, 05:45:38 PM
Right now, all signs point to Trump winning easily in MS. If Kasich and Rubio finish in single digits there and Trump wins by double digits, then that says to me that Rubio votes in MS have largely went to Trump and not Cruz.
Theres a 50% threshold to take all delegates in MS. That would be devestating if Trump broke 50%.
Also, it doesnt appears at the moment that Cruz getting the MS Gov endorsement has made little difference.
I don't know how familiar you are with Mississippi politics. It is a notoriously corrupt state. A true establishment stronghold in the south. Temper expectations accordingly.
At the rate things have been trending as more and more votes come in, Cruz may jump Kasich and finish 2nd in Michigan.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 08, 2016, 05:50:30 PM
At the rate things have been trending as more and more votes come in, Cruz may jump Kasich and finish 2nd in Michigan.
I'd like to speculate about that in relation to where the vote is coming from, but the DD map is so skewed, it reflects nothing of the actual geography of Michigan. Makes it harder to relat the names of the counties to where they are actually located and how they are composed. I could use a map, but it still makes it more work mentally.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 08, 2016, 05:54:54 PM
I'd like to speculate about that in relation to where the vote is coming from, but the DD map is so skewed, it reflects nothing of the actual geography of Michigan. Makes it harder to relat the names of the counties to where they are actually located and how they are composed. I could use a map, but it still makes it more work mentally.
QuoteDecision Desk HQ
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Trump leading, and Cruz climbed ahead to 2nd in our projection in Michigan. Rubio a distant 4th.
3% in for MS and Trump still staying above 50% :sad:
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 08, 2016, 05:54:54 PM
I'd like to speculate about that in relation to where the vote is coming from, but the DD map is so skewed, it reflects nothing of the actual geography of Michigan. Makes it harder to relat the names of the counties to where they are actually located and how they are composed. I could use a map, but it still makes it more work mentally.
A state undergoing political change - the hard way.
Looks like Trump could get the 50% out of Mississippi, but only because it is essentially a two man race. Rubio's numbers are miniscule. Man, has he crashed!
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 08, 2016, 06:03:10 PM
Looks like Trump could get the 50% out of Mississippi, but only because it is essentially a two man race. Rubio's numbers are miniscule. Man, has he crashed!
Trump hitting 50% and getting all delegates would be devastating for Cruz, in my opinion.
Cruz winning handily in Ottawa county, the most conservative in the state......
Kasich leading early in Washtenaw county (Ann Arbor) which doesn't bode well for Cruz getting second, because when Wayne county (Detroit) comes in, it figures to resemble Washtenaw somewhat (and Oakland). Of course, the open primary could skew that, but I don't think it will very much.
Studying Mississippi.....
Humphreys county, first of the "black belt" counties I see reporting (other than Hinds)....17% of the vote to "other." Is that Ben Carson? There isn't going to be a ton of Republican vote coming out of that area, but wouldn't it be something if Ben Carson held Trump short of 50%?
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 08, 2016, 06:35:36 PM
Studying Mississippi.....
Humphreys county, first of the "black belt" counties I see reporting (other than Hinds)....17% of the vote to "other." Is that Ben Carson? There isn't going to be a ton of Republican vote coming out of that area, but wouldn't it be something if Ben Carson held Trump short of 50%?
If Trump finishes with 49.9% in Mississippi, would it round up to 50% and give Trump all the delegates?
Cruz crushing it in Kent County in Michigan. If he kills it in Ionia County, odds are he pulls ahead of Kasich.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 08, 2016, 06:48:19 PM
Cruz crushing it in Kent County in Michigan. If he kills it in Ionia County, odds are he pulls ahead of Kasich.
Ha. I was just going to post the same thing, similar at least. It's Western Michigan vs Detroit metro. I'm still going to predict Kasich to edge him out, just because Detroit metro is so huge. I really don't think it matters though.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 08, 2016, 06:46:20 PM
If Trump finishes with 49.9% in Mississippi, would it round up to 50% and give Trump all the delegates?
My understanding (pretty sure) is NO.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 08, 2016, 06:51:17 PMI really don't think it matters though.
Probably not cause even if Cruz edged out Kasich in Michigan, Kasich still wont get out until after Ohio.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 08, 2016, 06:35:36 PM
Studying Mississippi.....
Humphreys county, first of the "black belt" counties I see reporting (other than Hinds)....17% of the vote to "other." Is that Ben Carson? There isn't going to be a ton of Republican vote coming out of that area, but wouldn't it be something if Ben Carson held Trump short of 50%?
Looks like that was an anomaly. We are not seeing the same pattern in other "black belt" counties.
Brett Baier just reported that Cruz spent a mere $1,100 in Michigan.
Cruz up early in DeSoto county (suburban Memphis). He's doing better relatively vs Trump in the more affluent areas, except Gulfport, which maybe isn't all that affluent anyway. Lot of military around Biloxi....I wonder if Trump is getting that vote, and if so, why?
Yeah, overall Cruz isn't doing that bad. Right around where I would have put him. Looks like he'll hold Trump down in MS....numbers keep shrinking there. Still a chance for a big surprise in Idaho. Idaho was barely polled. The one poll they did is meaningless. I actually favor Cruz there, maybe by a lot, if not the 50% I'd hoped for.
As more and more votes come in for MS, Trump now is finally dropping lower and lower. Hopefully the downward trend continues.
When does Idaho close?
Quote from: Bowhntr on March 08, 2016, 07:08:30 PM
When does Idaho close?
11 PM Eastern. A small western part of the state is in Pacific time but some Idaho votes should start trickling in from the rest of Idaho thats in Mountain time.
Yeah I knew that far west part was pacific I just wondered if the closed at 8 or 9 locally. Thanks guess that means I better make coffee ;)
Quote from: Bowhntr on March 08, 2016, 07:18:26 PM
Yeah I knew that far west part was pacific I just wondered if the closed at 8 or 9 locally. Thanks guess that means I better make coffee ;)
If you're wondering about Hawaii and plan to stay up for that, you better make a full pot because Hawaii caucuses dont end til 1 AM Eastern
Quote from: mrconservative on March 08, 2016, 07:20:45 PM
If you're wondering about Hawaii and plan to stay up for that, you better make a full pot because Hawaii caucuses dont end til 1 AM Eastern
I'm too old for that anymore. 10 years ago maybe but not now LOL
Trump lead shrinking in Mississippi! He's down to 47.8%
Trump has dropped under 48% in MS. Keep on trending down!
Only 2100 votes between Kasich and Cruz now in Michigan!
Quote from: Bowhntr on March 08, 2016, 07:26:07 PM
Only 2100 votes between Kasich and Cruz now in Michigan!
Kasich still wins more delegates due to how delegates are distributed in districts.
90% of the vote in for MS and Trump at 47.6%. No way he hits the threshold of 50% to automatically get all the delegates. That may not matter though. Trump will probably still get all the delegates based on winning every congressional district.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 08, 2016, 07:27:28 PM
Kasich still wins more delegates due to how delegates are distributed in districts.
Those delegates havent been confirmed yet have they? I thought there were delegates for each place then the districts. However, it looks like Rubio is being blanked totally tonight so far!
Quote from: Bowhntr on March 08, 2016, 07:30:20 PM
Those delegates havent been confirmed yet have they? I thought there were delegates for each place then the districts. However, it looks like Rubio is being blanked totally tonight so far!
Nothings been confirmed yet for either MI or MS.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 08, 2016, 07:29:45 PM
90% of the vote in for MS and Trump at 47.6%. No way he hits the threshold of 50% to automatically get all the delegates. That may not matter though. Trump will probably still get all the delegates based on winning every congressional district.
MS still might snug up to that 50% mark, based on what's out. Could be a close call. Still nothing from the counties with the big public universities....if Cruz does OK there (Oktibbeha and Lafayette) he should survive. Regarding delegates, this should be instructive:
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/MS-R (http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/MS-R)
For the purpose of bragging rights, Cruz is 600 votes behind Kasich in MI with almost half of Kent County still needing to come in.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 08, 2016, 07:47:14 PM
For the purpose of bragging rights, Cruz is 600 votes behind Kasich in MI with almost half of Kent County still needing to come in.
And half of Wayne county. If it mattered, it would be pretty nerve-wracking.
Trump up early in Idaho
Quote from: mrconservative on March 08, 2016, 08:04:36 PM
Trump up early in Idaho
Cruz out front now with 3% reporting
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 08, 2016, 07:38:07 PM
MS still might snug up to that 50% mark, based on what's out. Could be a close call. Still nothing from the counties with the big public universities....if Cruz does OK there (Oktibbeha and Lafayette) he should survive. Regarding delegates, this should be instructive:
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/MS-R (http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/MS-R)
Oktibbeha came in with Cruz winning. That should do it. In the final tally, when I look for best demographic indicator, it seems to be educational attainment above all else.
Some more Wayne county came in with Cruz performing better in relation to what he'd gotten there earlier. He has a decent chance of edging Kasich.
Things tightening in ID with 17% in
Cruz up comfortably in Idaho early, but the rural Mormon areas are over represented in the count so far. Should tighten up, other than the other way around.
Ada county (Boise) almost tied in early precincts. We can see where this is headed.....comfortable Cruz win, doesn't threaten 50%.
Cruz lead grows as more comes in. Now slightly over 41%
Quote from: mrconservative on March 08, 2016, 08:54:17 PM
Cruz lead grows as more comes in. Now slightly over 41%
Marco's number is 20% there. Looks like the shutout holds going into the 4th quarter.
Idaho called for Cruz
Looks like Cruz pulled it out for 2nd in MI after all. Good call Mr. C. :thumbup:
Crossing my fingers for a Hawaii win. Unlike, in my opinion, but I'm holding out a glimmer of hope.
Early votes coming in appear to indicate Trump winning easily in Hawaii :thumbdown:
Sanders outruns 27-pt. deficit, stomps Clinton in Michigan. (Clubbed her with his walker.)
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/08/bernie-sanders-overcomes-27-deficit-in-michigan/
Quote from: mrconservative on March 08, 2016, 05:09:53 PM
Cruz losing the evangelical vote in Mississippi 40-45 to Trump.
I think that tells someone all they need to know about the Mississippi results.
I disregard this "evangelical" conversation. What is the definition and who made that determination? I look at it as a distraction.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 08, 2016, 06:51:58 PM
My understanding (pretty sure) is NO.
I believe to gat all is %0% plus 1 vote.
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 09, 2016, 05:03:25 AM
I disregard this "evangelical" conversation. What is the definition and who made that determination? I look at it as a distraction.
What Would
MY Jesus Do, Instead of
YOURS?!?!?
Anybody have predictions for March 15 by state.
Quote from: redsun on March 09, 2016, 05:55:14 AM
Anybody have predictions for March 15 by state.
FL - Trump
OH - Trump
MO - Cruz
NC - Cruz
IL - Trump
Northern Marianna Isl - ???
Quote from: mrconservative on March 09, 2016, 06:01:38 AM
FL - Trump
OH - Trump
MO - Cruz
NC - Cruz
IL - Trump
Northern Marianna Isl - ???
If your right, then that just about ends it.
Quote from: redsun on March 09, 2016, 06:14:52 AM
If your right, then that just about ends it.
I was hoping Cruz could take Illinois but then i found out that Illinois, along with being a winner take all, is also an Open Primaryl. Thats a killer for Cruz.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 09, 2016, 06:01:38 AM
FL - Trump
OH - Trump
MO - Cruz
NC - Cruz
IL - Trump
Northern Marianna Isl - ???
A David Hawkins on FOX just said that if Trump wins FL and OH that he only has to win 50% of the remaining delegates to secure the nomination.
With a lot of winner-take-all states and winner-takes-most left to vote, that looks likely to happen.
The question I think is; if Trump wins the 3 biggest states on the 15th, or wins 4 of 5 on the 15th, will Cruz's supporters still get out and vote for him? If so, Im not convinced Trump can easily get to 1,237 delegates. This too is assuming Rubio and Kasich drop out after the 15th.
Quote from: Hoofer on March 08, 2016, 05:42:29 PM
a. I am not offended by anything you're said, apart from the mud slinging, you've had some interesting insight, and I'd like to hear more - minus the cutting comments.
b. Moderators own the system, they can ban whom ever they want, get over it - we are their "guests".
Nobody has asked me to contribute, the website isn't popping up ads right and left - yet someone is paying for it. I can easily live within their rules, and the direction they wish to take this forum.
I'm not intending this in a condemning tone, but as advice, 'cause I'd rather listen to you, without the mud. Consider it a compliment.
c. Yeah, I ignore the Russian - when I figured out every link goes to RT (Russian Times), and did a little background checking. It's not "our" call, if they want a knucklehead steeped in Communism posting stupid stuff ... well, we know there are others - just ignore them.
d. From the internal polling, you and I agree, this primary is completely unpredictable - as I've cited 40% of the South Carolina were undecided 2 days before. Cruz can indeed pull this out, I hope he does - but, both of us could be wrong and Kasich might surprise us all. All speculation - nothing is fixed in stone.
I got hit a few times when I found this site, and I decided to stick around, because there are other SMART people here (like yourself), I wanted to talk to, and get their opinions. One of the mods mentioned, you need to EARN their respect.... still working on that, we're not all lock-step, brain-dead, you're certainly not - but, any one of us can quickly wear out our welcome with just a few posts done in haste.
Cut both ways...? We're riding in their Limo, Bus, back of their pickup truck. They bought it, put the gas in it, we're guests. The rest is your choice, if I can tolerate a Russian spewing propaganda (or ignore him) - I and certain, you could easily take the guy apart, chew him up, spit him out and use what's left as a doormat. There are a lot of crummy systems / forums besides this, right? We both have tough enough hides to ignore the insults, don't we?
OK, I said I'd get back to you on this. I'll confine myself to just two points I think are relevant.
First off, I hear you. Not so much this post, but something you said before has led me to rethink at least one aspect of how I post. That is, to be less condemnatory and inflammatory when I make an unsolicited post in response to a point of view I disagree with. On that issue, I will try, because I'm never actually attacking an individual poster, just disagreeing with an opinion they have posted, or pointing out a logical inconsistency or fallacy. Usually when I do so, I'm looking to engage, not to condemn, but obviously it doesn't always come of that way.
Of course that approach doesn't extend to defending myself when I'm attacked, although I will try to interpret critical comments with the most positive spin possible, even with posters I have clashed with in the past. This is a mental adjustment I can make -- to try to respond less reflexively.
It should be noted however that much of that has to do with the general atmosphere on the site. As taxed put it himself, we have "sharp elbows" here. Well, I can mix it up in the mosh pit with the best of them when I need to.
The second issue is specifically about the so-called "complaints" I make about the site. I don't consider it complaining, certainly not carping, at least in regard to the issue at hand. I consider it communicating and expressing a preference. Just my preference, I know. I think Taxed took it at face value. He disagreed with me, but my intention was never to get the rules and procedures reordered to my liking. Of course he would point out the valid reasons for policing the site exactly the way he does. It isn't an either/or issue to me. It's a more/less issue. There are problems with being too lax. There are problems with being too reflexive as well. That's all I was pointing out. Too little tolerance leads to stagnation and stifling conformity. Too little leads to chaos. I was weighing in for a shift along the continuum to a more tolerant/inclusive view. I know he understands the issues. I assumed as much before I even posted. As I said, it's called feedback.
I don't think Taxed ever had a problem with it. He has said as much. But then, here come the usual suspects rushing in thinking they have to act as gatekeepers of the temple. It's like when one bee is crushed......it sends out a pheromone, and the whole hive becomes incensed.
It was completely unnecessary. Taxed is a grown man and perfectly capable of defending himself. He didn't ask for help, and at no point appeared to need it. He seemed to understand the discussion a lot better than those jumping in presumably on his behalf.
I don't want to be deterred from expressing my considered opinions on any topic, including those narrowly relating to fraternal issues and disputes that crop up here. I would never want that to be a major focus of what I'm doing, however. Frankly, it just isn't that interesting.
I'm not a troll and I'm not a liberal. As such, I'm within the prescribed boundaries to be a member in good standing on this site.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 09, 2016, 02:36:21 PM
OK, I said I'd get back to you on this. I'll confine myself to just two points I think are relevant.
First off, I hear you. Not so much this post, but something you said before has led me to rethink at least one aspect of how I post. That is, to be less condemnatory and inflammatory when I make an unsolicited post in response to a point of view I disagree with. On that issue, I will try, because I'm never actually attacking an individual poster, just disagreeing with an opinion they have posted, or pointing out a logical inconsistency or fallacy. Usually when I do so, I'm looking to engage, not to condemn, but obviously it doesn't always come of that way.
Of course that approach doesn't extend to defending myself when I'm attacked, although I will try to interpret critical comments with the most positive spin possible, even with posters I have clashed with in the past. This is a mental adjustment I can make -- to try to respond less reflexively.
It should be noted however that much of that has to do with the general atmosphere on the site. As taxed put it himself, we have "sharp elbows" here. Well, I can mix it up in the mosh pit with the best of them when I need to.
Posting a reply is one hing, but qualifying it with "What is wrong with you"? That is an attack.
Just setting the record straight.
QuoteThe second issue is specifically about the so-called "complaints" I make about the site. I don't consider it complaining, certainly not carping, at least in regard to the issue at hand. I consider it communicating and expressing a preference. Just my preference, I know. I think Taxed took it at face value. He disagreed with me, but my intention was never to get the rules and procedures reordered to my liking. Of course he would point out the valid reasons for policing the site exactly the way he does. It isn't an either/or issue to me. It's a more/less issue. There are problems with being too lax. There are problems with being too reflexive as well. That's all I was pointing out. Too little tolerance leads to stagnation and stifling conformity. Too little leads to chaos. I was weighing in for a shift along the continuum to a more tolerant/inclusive view. I know he understands the issues. I assumed as much before I even posted. As I said, it's called feedback.
I don't think Taxed ever had a problem with it. He has said as much. But then, here come the usual suspects rushing in thinking they have to act as gatekeepers of the temple. It's like when one bee is crushed......it sends out a pheromone, and the whole hive becomes incensed.
It was completely unnecessary. Taxed is a grown man and perfectly capable of defending himself. He didn't ask for help, and at no point appeared to need it. He seemed to understand the discussion a lot better than those jumping in presumably on his behalf.
I don't want to be deterred from expressing my considered opinions on any topic, including those narrowly relating to fraternal issues and disputes that crop up here. I would never want that to be a major focus of what I'm doing, however. Frankly, it just isn't that interesting.
I'm not a troll and I'm not a liberal. As such, I'm within the prescribed boundaries to be a member in good standing on this site.
Policy is no ones business but those affiliated with the forum, if you have a problem with that, too damn bad, just questioning it is a bootable offense because it is never up for discussion, EVER!.
It's my policy, period, it's not negotiable.
Oh-oh... George and Jeb's brother Niel, joined the Cruz-team a few days as finance-director... and now Jeb is going behind closed doors with Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio before tonight's debate:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeb-bush-to-meet-with-cruz-kasich-and-rubio-before-thursdays-debate/
Quote from: kit saginaw on March 10, 2016, 03:44:51 AM
Oh-oh... George and Jeb's brother Niel, joined the Cruz-team a few days as finance-director... and now Jeb is going behind closed doors with Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio before tonight's debate:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeb-bush-to-meet-with-cruz-kasich-and-rubio-before-thursdays-debate/
I'm surprised they included Cruz.
Quote from: kit saginaw on March 10, 2016, 03:44:51 AM
Oh-oh... George and Jeb's brother Niel, joined the Cruz-team a few days as finance-director... and now Jeb is going behind closed doors with Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio before tonight's debate:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeb-bush-to-meet-with-cruz-kasich-and-rubio-before-thursdays-debate/
Why is it uh-oh? If Cruz is gonna win, he has to have at least some kind of establishment support. Look at Reagan in 1980. He selected GHW Bush. Now, it turns out that in the end that Reagan didnt need Bush, but he didnt know that when things started in the beginning of his general election campaign.
Quote from: Solar on March 09, 2016, 02:55:57 PM
Posting a reply is one hing, but qualifying it with "What is wrong with you"? That is an attack.
Just setting the record straight.
Policy is no ones business but those affiliated with the forum, if you have a problem with that, too damn bad, just questioning it is a bootable offense because it is never up for discussion, EVER!.
It's my policy, period, it's not negotiable.
That masterpiece of passive-aggressive balderdash about "never attacking an individual poster" was exceeded only with him thinking he was the innocent party and his critics were bees responding to a fallen hive member. But since the "hive" is us, and he was far from innocent, it's still him criticizing the group mentality.
Say "hi," all you self-appointed guardians. The temple is open 24/7/365....and the troll season is wide, wide open.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 10, 2016, 06:32:56 AM
Why is it uh-oh? If Cruz is gonna win, he has to have at least some kind of establishment support. Look at Reagan in 1980. He selected GHW Bush. Now, it turns out that in the end that Reagan didnt need Bush, but he didnt know that when things started in the beginning of his general election campaign.
I expect the GOP support to come very reluctantly if at all. He'd have to make a YUUUUGE dent in Dr. Strangehair's lead before the monbey bags open in earnest.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 09, 2016, 02:36:21 PM
OK, I said I'd get back to you on this. I'll confine myself to just two points I think are relevant.
First off, I hear you. Not so much this post, but something you said before has led me to rethink at least one aspect of how I post. That is, to be less condemnatory and inflammatory when I make an unsolicited post in response to a point of view I disagree with. On that issue, I will try, because I'm never actually attacking an individual poster, just disagreeing with an opinion they have posted, or pointing out a logical inconsistency or fallacy. Usually when I do so, I'm looking to engage, not to condemn, but obviously it doesn't always come of that way.
That has always been the problem with this media, people will take personal offense easily - but saying, "What's wrong with you?" has little room for interpretation. The choice of wording, adjusted to a more "pleasant persuasive tone", will be easy for a guy with good linguistic skills (little elbow poke, LOL).
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 09, 2016, 02:36:21 PM
Of course that approach doesn't extend to defending myself when I'm attacked, although I will try to interpret critical comments with the most positive spin possible, even with posters I have clashed with in the past. This is a mental adjustment I can make -- to try to respond less reflexively.
It should be noted however that much of that has to do with the general atmosphere on the site. As taxed put it himself, we have "sharp elbows" here. Well, I can mix it up in the mosh pit with the best of them when I need to.
Problem we have with football players, few of them act like they've ever been in the end-zone before.
Likewise, a mature, well reasoned individual can ignore a fool, lest he be associated with them. There are some pretty intelligent people here, count yourself among them and consider it a privilege to use the forum. I'll never demand respect, I'd rather humbly earn it.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 09, 2016, 02:36:21 PM
The second issue is specifically about the so-called "complaints" I make about the site. I don't consider it complaining, certainly not carping, at least in regard to the issue at hand. I consider it communicating and expressing a preference. Just my preference, I know. I think Taxed took it at face value. He disagreed with me, but my intention was never to get the rules and procedures reordered to my liking. Of course he would point out the valid reasons for policing the site exactly the way he does. It isn't an either/or issue to me. It's a more/less issue. There are problems with being too lax. There are problems with being too reflexive as well. That's all I was pointing out. Too little tolerance leads to stagnation and stifling conformity. Too little leads to chaos. I was weighing in for a shift along the continuum to a more tolerant/inclusive view. I know he understands the issues. I assumed as much before I even posted. As I said, it's called feedback.
I don't think Taxed ever had a problem with it. He has said as much. But then, here come the usual suspects rushing in thinking they have to act as gatekeepers of the temple. It's like when one bee is crushed......it sends out a pheromone, and the whole hive becomes incensed.
Without getting too personal, I spoke up, based on 11 years of running a BBS - you're the kind of person I'd try to keep around, not push out the door - hence my advice... but, this is not my system. Who doesn't like a person who can carry an interesting thread, keep it lively, inject thought provoking insight - and without burning down the site. Set down the cleaver and pick up a scalpel, force is often met with force. Persuade, appeal, reason, present your case - make converts & silence the critics.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 09, 2016, 02:36:21 PM
It was completely unnecessary. Taxed is a grown man and perfectly capable of defending himself. He didn't ask for help, and at no point appeared to need it. He seemed to understand the discussion a lot better than those jumping in presumably on his behalf.
We have to admire an individual with so many defenders ...
he has obviously earned great respect. Maybe someday, we too might be so blessed...
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 09, 2016, 02:36:21 PM
I don't want to be deterred from expressing my considered opinions on any topic, including those narrowly relating to fraternal issues and disputes that crop up here. I would never want that to be a major focus of what I'm doing, however. Frankly, it just isn't that interesting.
We think alike... mission minded.
Many people, not of our stripe, read this forum, we can have a great influence on them - all of us lose focus from time to time. TEA & restoring Conservatism as the predominate influence in America is absolutely necessary for us to survive.
If a solid TEA party conservative was needed for a speech or whatever, would you have the reputation as the the biggest prick - or be the best pick? Reputations are not easily recovered, once ruined.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on March 09, 2016, 02:36:21 PM
I'm not a troll and I'm not a liberal. As such, I'm within the prescribed boundaries to be a member in good standing on this site.
Good! ... doesn't hurt to acknowledge and thank the guys running the system.
Anyone watching tonight's results?
Trump by at least 60% in four, Kasich in second in three.
Connecticut, Delaware, Pennsylvania and Rhode Island.
Maryland polls haven't closed yet.
It was a clean sweep tonight.
So now what? Am I just saddled with Trump now and have no choice but vote for him, or that witch on the Dimwit side who's more crooked and corrupt than my dogs hind leg!...thanks what a friggin great choice America.
Quote from: daidalos on April 26, 2016, 08:30:08 PM
It was a clean sweep tonight.
So now what? Am I just saddled with Trump now and have no choice but vote for him, or that witch on the Dimwit side who's more crooked and corrupt than my dogs hind leg!...thanks what a friggin great choice America.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/to-you-conservatives-with-weak-knees/msg302696/#msg302696
Quote from: daidalos on April 26, 2016, 08:30:08 PM
It was a clean sweep tonight.
So now what? Am I just saddled with Trump now and have no choice but vote for him, or that witch on the Dimwit side who's more crooked and corrupt than my dogs hind leg!...thanks what a friggin great choice America.
Dude, take your meds. Cruz is going to blow him out. Quit watching f*n TV for goodness sakes.
Quote from: walkstall on April 26, 2016, 08:35:43 PM
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/to-you-conservatives-with-weak-knees/msg302696/#msg302696
Walks thanks, however I don't have week knees quite to the contrary. I'm a pissed off voter who watched so called republicans in his own state vote for Kasich. A clear cut non republican of the neo-con mold if there ever was one.
And then there are nights like tonight.
It just totally destroys any faith I have in the voting populace anymore.
It seems that if given the choice, the majority of the electorate does the wrong thing every time.
Quote from: tsuke on April 26, 2016, 06:23:59 PM
i am. my tracking says trump gets to 955 tonight (without counting PA supertype delegates)
looks liks sweep in ct delaware pa md.
RI is hard to predict trump will get a few extra delegates if cruz doesnt hit 10% he has been hovering over that mark.
Did you expect something else?
Quote from: daidalos on April 26, 2016, 11:04:05 PM
Walks thanks, however I don't have week knees quite to the contrary. I'm a pissed off voter who watched so called republicans in his own state vote for Kasich. A clear cut non republican of the neo-con mold if there ever was one.
And then there are nights like tonight.
It just totally destroys any faith I have in the voting populace anymore.
It seems that if given the choice, the majority of the electorate does the wrong thing every time.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Ksux a Neocon? Nah, he's just your run of the mill lib socialist.
I think the real term for him is Neo Liberal Snow Flake.....
Here's the numbers, and thank God we're NOT counting on the last 5-6 states for the General Election.
State totals in COLOR, Bold is the winning party totals, underline is individual Democrats beating Republicans - not pretty.
State Democrat Republican
Pennsylvania 1,652,863 1,573,338
Clinton 918,649 Sanders 719,911 Trump 892,702
Rhode Island 125,853 62,965
Clinton 54,887 Sanders 68,761 Trump 40,020
Connecticut 328,457 213,443
Clinton 169,760 Sanders 152,889 Trump 122,509
Delaware 93,633 69,892
Clinton 55,960 Sanders 36,659 Trump 42,472
Maryland 846,039 429,758
Clinton 553,247 Sanders 281,275 Trump 236,623
What do I think? glad you asked... Republicans get crushed in the NE corridor.... duh!
a. The negative campaigning of Donald Trump is turning potential republican voters away. With the Democrat vote SPLIT, Trump still loses big.
b. The high "un-desireables" of Clinton-Sanders-Trump turn off everyone, some Democrats jump to Trump, some don't vote - which explains the higher than usual Republican voter turnout, and the lower Democrat turn out.
c. None of us realists ever expected a Conservative to do well in the North East - that was confirmed.
d. Donald Trump will probably continue the NEGATIVE rants, thinking it put him over Ted Cruz, and if he becomes the Republican nominee - expect Hillary or Bernie to win in a landslide. As long as all the air-in-the-room is being sucked out by negative crap, little coverage is given to Ted Cruz ... I believe the next president will be a Democrat.
e. Based on the above.... It is up to the Grass Roots, TEA, Conservatives to lift Ted Cruz over the TOP in the remaining states, give him more air time, commercials, etc. Ted is the underdog, and he's staying on a positive message - which is good.
Donnie is beating his drum over winning states that are deep deep blue and that any Republican would get trounced in during a general election. Meanwhile if you look at states that can get flipped back to red in the general election, Iowa (only red in 2004 since 1984) and Wisconsin (red for first time since 1984), Cruz won them both.
Quote from: mrconservative on April 27, 2016, 09:26:10 AM
Donnie is beating his drum over winning states that are deep deep blue and that any Republican would get trounced in during a general election. Meanwhile if you look at states that can get flipped back to red in the general election, Iowa (only red in 2004 since 1984) and Wisconsin (red for first time since 1984), Cruz won them both.
Glad someone else noticed that!