Quote from: kramarat on January 05, 2013, 11:28:20 PM
Damned dummies!

When I was in the Navy, I went to wake up a guy for watch. I get to his rack, and he's got blood all over his chest.

I say, "WTF are you doing?"

He was trying to kill himself by slashing his wrists with a soda tab. I laughed and told him to hold tight, I'd go get help.

I went up to the mess deck, got the biggest, sharpest butcher knife I could find, brought it down and handed it to him.

It really pissed him off..................but he knew that if I was on watch, I would help him die.

He didn't try it again.

And a boot in the ass.

True story, met a girl with nasty scars on her wrists, had trouble using her hands, I asked if they were from surgeries, she admitted she tried to slit her wrists, but instead of parallel lines, she butchered them laterally and cut the tendons.
Again, another complete failure in life to the point they fail at suicide.

Wanna bet she voted lib?

Quote from: Solar on January 06, 2013, 07:00:11 AM

And a boot in the ass.

True story, met a girl with nasty scars on her wrists, had trouble using her hands, I asked if they were from surgeries, she admitted she tried to slit her wrists, but instead of parallel lines, she butchered them laterally and cut the tendons.
Again, another complete failure in life to the point they fail at suicide.

Wanna bet she voted lib?

Maybe somebody should write a self help book on how to successfully off yourself. At least they could die as winners.

Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 07:19:48 AM
Maybe somebody should write a self help book on how to successfully off yourself. At least they could die as winners.

Actually there are several sites on the web.
Depression is a nasty monster, and for those trapped in it for years on end with no future, then sitting in a garage with the engine running is the best way to go.

Blowing ones brains out is nothing more than selfish and self centered and anger directed at those that will be forced to see the mess they left behind.

Quote from: Solar on January 06, 2013, 08:10:18 AM
Actually there are several sites on the web.
Depression is a nasty monster, and for those trapped in it for years on end with no future, then sitting in a garage with the engine running is the best way to go.

Blowing ones brains out is nothing more than selfish and self centered and anger directed at those that will be forced to see the mess they left behind.

The worst is when they murder a bunch of others first.

I can only imagine that the torment they face on the other side, makes their earthly problems seem very minor.

Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 08:31:15 AM
The worst is when they murder a bunch of others first.

I can only imagine that the torment they face on the other side, makes their earthly problems seem very minor.

This actually explains liberals and why they hate guns, they know others like them are extremely unstable.
It also explains why they put so much faith in Govt and faceless bureaucrats, they can't deal with life on their own, so they count on a roll of the dice that others are better suited for the task.

In truth, libs are cowards and hate dealing with life on their own, they see freedom as a Boogieman, they are children in need of a mommy, they simply can't stand the thought of life without someone telling them what to do.

Quote from: Solar on January 06, 2013, 08:38:48 AM
This actually explains liberals and why they hate guns, they know others like them are extremely unstable.
It also explains why they put so much faith in Govt and faceless bureaucrats, they can't deal with life on their own, so they count on a roll of the dice that others are better suited for the task.

In truth, libs are cowards and hate dealing with life on their own, they see freedom as a Boogieman, they are children in need of a mommy, they simply can't stand the thought of life without someone telling them what to do.

Libs have done some good.

I credit them with bringing attention to our pollution problem back in the late 60's, early 70's................among other things.

I don't have a hatred for libs; they are good at organizing and protesting.....................and many times they are justified. They should never be allowed into positions of power within our government though. That's when they really go crazy.

Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 08:53:12 AM
Libs have done some good.

I credit them with bringing attention to our pollution problem back in the late 60's, early 70's................among other things.

I don't have a hatred for libs; they are good at organizing and protesting.....................and many times they are justified. They should never be allowed into positions of power within our government though. That's when they really go crazy.

I agree with you, libs are great at finding problems, they just always seem to take the solutions about ten steps too far. 

Quote from: Solar on January 06, 2013, 08:10:18 AM
Actually there are several sites on the web.
Depression is a nasty monster, and for those trapped in it for years on end with no future, then sitting in a garage with the engine running is the best way to go.

Blowing ones brains out is nothing more than selfish and self centered and anger directed at those that will be forced to see the mess they left behind.

After a few years in Homicide...I learned that when people off themselves they are sending a message in the method and place of
their demise.

Someone who goes home and blows his brains all over the kitchen or living room for his wife to find had some major issues with her.

Billy

Quote from: JustKari on January 06, 2013, 09:04:12 AM
I agree with you, libs are great at finding problems, they just always seem to take the solutions about ten steps too far.

They're always in the mirror!

Quote from: BILLY Defiant on January 06, 2013, 04:11:25 PM
After a few years in Homicide...I learned that when people off themselves they are sending a message in the method and place of
their demise.

Someone who goes home and blows his brains all over the kitchen or living room for his wife to find had some major issues with her.

Billy

True, they are demanding the sympathy they felt they deserved, as delusional as that is.
I know many that have offed themselves over the years, and in every case, it was self pity, and why me God BS.
Depression is a bitch, no one is to blame, they just couldn't handle it any longer, but they still can't help sending that message that is was someones fault other than their own.

Quote from: Solar on January 06, 2013, 04:40:45 PM
True, they are demanding the sympathy they felt they deserved, as delusional as that is.
I know many that have offed themselves over the years, and in every case, it was self pity, and why me God BS.
Depression is a bitch, no one is to blame, they just couldn't handle it any longer, but they still can't help sending that message that is was someones fault other than their own.

And statistics prove that the worst time of the year for Depression (and suicides) is that period of the Holidays....no wonder this kid in Newtown chose that time to kill others and himself before Christmas.

Billy

I think or at least hope the two are very different.   I think killing one's self is sad and often tied to depression that was too much for them to take and greater than those around them realized.  I saw depression up close and personal and it is awful.  Bad for the person and it batters everyone around that person. 

Now the person who goes out and kills a bunch of people or even a single person before offing themselves is another matter all together.  I feel no sorrow for that person and for those who succeed at killing others but not themselves I think I would gladly hand them the tools to do it correctly to themselves. 

I think that the person who handed that guy the butcher knife is lucky.  If that person took the knife and proceded to kill himself he would probably still be sitting in a military prison.  When I was young and dumb I might have did exactly the same thing but have read a few stories of people going to jail because they provide the suicide person something so that they could do it right.  I see no reason to jail someone when they were helping a loved one who was in great pain from an incurable disease. 

As close as I got to suicide was actually a friends experience.   His best friends son with whom he was close called him and said that he could not take it anymore and he wanted to kill himself.  He called the father but could not get him and then raced to the house.  When he got there he could not find the son initially until he found him shot in the bathroom.  He got there too late.  I still get the chills when I think about it.

Quote from: raptor5618 on January 07, 2013, 12:47:42 PM
I think or at least hope the two are very different.   I think killing one's self is sad and often tied to depression that was too much for them to take and greater than those around them realized.  I saw depression up close and personal and it is awful.  Bad for the person and it batters everyone around that person. 

Now the person who goes out and kills a bunch of people or even a single person before offing themselves is another matter all together.  I feel no sorrow for that person and for those who succeed at killing others but not themselves I think I would gladly hand them the tools to do it correctly to themselves. 

I think that the person who handed that guy the butcher knife is lucky.  If that person took the knife and proceded to kill himself he would probably still be sitting in a military prison.  When I was young and dumb I might have did exactly the same thing but have read a few stories of people going to jail because they provide the suicide person something so that they could do it right.  I see no reason to jail someone when they were helping a loved one who was in great pain from an incurable disease. 

As close as I got to suicide was actually a friends experience.   His best friends son with whom he was close called him and said that he could not take it anymore and he wanted to kill himself.  He called the father but could not get him and then raced to the house.  When he got there he could not find the son initially until he found him shot in the bathroom.  He got there too late.  I still get the chills when I think about it.

The guy was a friend of mine.
I didn't leave him alone with the butcher knife, just a little reverse psychology. He got so pissed off that I could be so callus, he got up and went to watch. We talked later. I'm actually pretty good at counceling people..................or I was. I don't have any credentials, so these days, I prefer not to get involved with people and their mental/emotional problems.

Suicide is a really bad idea. My neighbor's 22 year old son has been talking like that. Hopefully he gets over it.

I also think that our fluffy, PC, liberal world that we have created, leaves kids so pampered and spoiled, that they become overwhelmed with the reality of adulthood, and find out the cold hard truth, that they are not as special as they were led to believe. Just my opinion.

With a Mossberg 12gauge pump  shotgun loaded with buckshot... the woman would have needed but one shot... it would have been a little messy, but so what...