JustKari started this thread a couple of weeks ago.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/according-to-a-cbs-affiliate-in-az-obama-wins-with-99-of-precincts-reporting/ (http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/according-to-a-cbs-affiliate-in-az-obama-wins-with-99-of-precincts-reporting/)
I decided to go back and look at the fake numbers compared to the real ones.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553/)
The numbers are higher, but in almost perfect proportion to each other.
Fake numbers from CBS Affiliate: Obama 40,237,966
Romney 38,116,216
Difference 2,121,750
Real numbers from NBC today: Obama 60,398,545
Romney 57,598,903
Diference 2,799,609
Despite higher overall turnout, the fake numbers that scrolled across the CBS screen a couple of weeks ago, were accurate to the real difference in votes, between Obama and Romney, to an astounding 677,859 votes. Guys. THIS IS FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTRY and the CBS affiliate had the proportion of votes almost dead on, a week and a half ago!!!
How in the hell does this happen?
Somebody help me out here. Could they have cheated to this degree?
How could election results from a couple of weeks ago, accidentally scrolled across a TV screen, be an almost exact match to actual voting proportions? :scared:
Sure feels like it. Nothing yesterday makes sense.
Not related, but Obama was busing in homeless from all over Wisconsin (I assume from the same state) because they were really worried about it. Democrats have this down to an art. We know they're inherently dishonest.
Quote from: Yawn on November 07, 2012, 02:48:26 PM
Sure feels like it. Nothing yesterday makes sense.
Not related, but Obama was busing in homeless from all over Wisconsin (I assume from the same state) because they were really worried about it. Democrats have this down to an art. We know they're inherently dishonest.
I'm not real big on conspiracy theories, but this is
too weird.
Where did that CBS affiliate get those numbers?
Were they distributed to all mainstream media outlets? Except Fox of course.
We know for a fact that voting machines were turning Romney votes into Obama votes.
If we knock 20 million votes off from each candidate, the CBS affiliate had the results nailed to a tee.........beforehand.
Well, I know according to the left it doesn't happen, but they had trouble with fraud yesterday in OH, two election officials were removed for letting people vote who were not registeted. One a Dem, one a pub. They also ended up with boxes more provisional ballots than they expected.
I don't remember if it was Cyahoga county or not, but in OH they also had issues with get out the vote people showing up to peoples homes, they would offer rides to voters. If the voters declined and later went on their own, someone had already voted for them.
Then their was the county in (IIRC) NH, that had about 180,000 registered voters, but over 400,000 people voted.
In Leftist Detroit someone pulled a gun on a Republican poll watcher. 9-11 was called and the black police department refused to come out. Source (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/nov/6/picket-gop-poll-watcher-detroit-threatened-gun-911/)
Of course these incidents have nothing to do with CBS "KNOWING" the results 2 weeks in advance, but Romney's loss was extremely narrow in some of these critical states. Last I heard, less than 1,000 in Ohio. Wouldn't take too many cases of fraud or too much suppression of our military to get that win.
They could never win in a fair fight.
Quote from: JustKari on November 07, 2012, 03:03:25 PM
Well, I know according to the left it doesn't happen, but they had trouble with fraud yesterday in OH, two election officials were removed for letting people vote who were not registeted. One a Dem, one a pub. They also ended up with boxes more provisional ballots than they expected.
I don't remember if it was Cyahoga county or not, but in OH they also had issues with get out the vote people showing up to peoples homes, they would offer rides to voters. If the voters declined and later went on their own, someone had already voted for them.
Then their was the county in (IIRC) NH, that had about 180,000 registered voters, but over 400,000 people voted.
Then there was a county in NC, more in CO, and I don't know how many others, where the electronic voting machines were switching Romney votes to Obama votes. Although the poll workers were trained to calibrate the machines, they were out of calibration...........in Obama's favor.
That one county in NH would account for 1/3 of the difference in votes from the CBS TV scroll. That's how close they were.
Although, if we have systemic fraud on this scale, votes will not matter anymore. All elections will be predetermined.
What are your sources? I'd like to read them.
Quote from: JustKari on November 07, 2012, 03:03:25 PM
Well, I know according to the left it doesn't happen, but they had trouble with fraud yesterday in OH, two election officials were removed for letting people vote who were not registeted. One a Dem, one a pub. They also ended up with boxes more provisional ballots than they expected.
I don't remember if it was Cyahoga county or not, but in OH they also had issues with get out the vote people showing up to peoples homes, they would offer rides to voters. If the voters declined and later went on their own, someone had already voted for them.
Then their was the county in (IIRC) NH, that had about 180,000 registered voters, but over 400,000 people voted.
Quote from: Yawn on November 07, 2012, 03:18:52 PM
What are your sources? I'd like to read them.
Here are some to the broken voting machines, but if news affiliates have the results ahead of time, voting machines don't even matter.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/02/claims-increasing-switched-votes-in-ohio/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/02/claims-increasing-switched-votes-in-ohio/)
http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2012/11/voting-machines-switching-votes-can-election-results-be-trusted-2467362.html (http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2012/11/voting-machines-switching-votes-can-election-results-be-trusted-2467362.html)
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Voting-machines-switch-Romney-votes-to-Obama/m9dR8WDjbUKX8OFu4meIFQ.cspx (http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Voting-machines-switch-Romney-votes-to-Obama/m9dR8WDjbUKX8OFu4meIFQ.cspx)
Thanks. I know your original question isn't being answered. I've entered every question I can think of into google to see if anyone else picked up on it, and it seems that it's not being raised anywhere.
Still, I'd like to at least have a record of all the Democrat fraud. They do it all the time. I do believe they cheated their way to "victory."
Quote from: Yawn on November 07, 2012, 03:36:38 PM
Thanks. I know your original question isn't being answered. I've entered every question I can think of into google to see if anyone else picked up on it, and it seems that it's not being raised anywhere.
Still, I'd like to at least have a record of all the Democrat fraud. They do it all the time. I do believe they cheated their way to "victory."
After 2004 and their absolute rage, nothing is off the table.
Nothing makes sense with this election. Romney was packing his venues to overflow. Obama had a hard time getting people to show up.
Where are all the happy people? I was out and about today, and 50% of us should be ecstatic. Everyone I saw was just glum. :sad:
I guess tomorrow I'll email the reporter and see what he thinks,
http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/21/cbs-news-affiliate-calls-2012-presidential-race-for-barack-obama-weeks-ahead-of-election/#ixzz29zidtm00 (http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/21/cbs-news-affiliate-calls-2012-presidential-race-for-barack-obama-weeks-ahead-of-election/#ixzz29zidtm00)
Quote from: kramarat on November 07, 2012, 03:52:42 PM
After 2004 and their absolute rage, nothing is off the table.
Nothing makes sense with this election. Romney was packing his venues to overflow. Obama had a hard time getting people to show up.
Where are all the happy people? I was out and about today, and 50% of us should be ecstatic. Everyone I saw was just glum. :sad:
You guys are really cracking me up. Do you seriously believe there was voter fraud on that massive of a scale and the elite liberal lying leftist lamestream media (did i leave out any adjectives) is covering it up? Obama won fair and square. Get over it.
Quote from: elmerfudd on November 07, 2012, 03:58:01 PM
You guys are really cracking me up. Do you seriously believe there was voter fraud on that massive of a scale and the elite liberal lying leftist lamestream media (did i leave out any adjectives) is covering it up? Obama won fair and square. Get over it.
I'm fine with that. Please explain how a CBS affiliate could have the exact spread, two weeks in advance, which they accidentally scrolled across the TV screen.
Please explain how voting machines only mafunctioned in swing states.
Quote from: kramarat on November 07, 2012, 04:00:36 PM
I'm fine with that. Please explain how a CBS affiliate could have the exact spread, two weeks in advance, which they accidentally scrolled across the TV screen.
Lucky guess? It happens, you know. And was it really the EXACT spread, or just close? The totals sure were way off.
Maybe Sheriff Joe could look into this. And while he's at it, he can investigate the possibility that Obama called down Superstorm Sandy just in time to pull his chestnuts out of the fire. His birther stuff seems to have fizzled miserably.
Quote from: elmerfudd on November 07, 2012, 04:02:56 PM
Lucky guess? It happens, you know. And was it really the EXACT spread, or just close? The totals sure were way off.
Maybe Sheriff Joe could look into this. And while he's at it, he can investigate the possibility that Obama called down Superstorm Sandy just in time to pull his chestnuts out of the fire. His birther stuff seems to have fizzled miserably.
To post a spread that was less than 700,000 votes off from from the reality of last night, two weeks in advance, is freaking miraculous.
Quote from: Yawn on November 07, 2012, 03:18:52 PM
What are your sources? I'd like to read them.
I watched it on Foxnews, they were asking people to email them voter issues for them to investigate. They hasn't posted those segments yet online when I checked earlier.
Quote from: elmerfudd on November 07, 2012, 04:02:56 PM
Lucky guess? It happens, you know. And was it really the EXACT spread, or just close? The totals sure were way off.
Maybe Sheriff Joe could look into this. And while he's at it, he can investigate the possibility that Obama called down Superstorm Sandy just in time to pull his chestnuts out of the fire. His birther stuff seems to have fizzled miserably.
With luck like that, I could spend a weekend in Vegas and then retire quite comfortably! :rolleyes:
-Dr Watt
BTW...
Is this where I cue the X-Files theme? :wink:
-Dr Watt
So for weeks you guys have been claiming the 'left media' have been screwing around with poll numbers just to help Obama.
Now that it is proven they were accurate and you and FoxNews got it wrong, it must be because the 'left media' knew something or had inside information.
X files theme would suite this topic right now. Except I don't think Fox Mulder is crazy enough to investigate this crazy idea.
Quote from: redlom xof on November 07, 2012, 09:30:53 PM
So for weeks you guys have been claiming the 'left media' have been screwing around with poll numbers just to help Obama.
Now that it is proven they were accurate and you and FoxNews got it wrong, it must be because the 'left media' knew something or had inside information.
X files theme would suite this topic right now. Except I don't think Fox Mulder is crazy enough to investigate this crazy idea.
Good point. The poll numbers never seemed to match reality, but they were right in line with the erroneously aired election results from the CBS affiliate.
I couldn't figure out what Obama meant last Thurs when he told his followers to vote for revenge. I'm pretty sure now, that he meant revenge for the "supposedly" stolen 2004 election. Payback.
We can assume that the CBS affiliate got the numbers from CBS headquarters. If we run the spread across the 50 states and Puerto Rico, they were accurate to within just over 13,000 votes per state. Simply amazing.
It continues to get stranger............
Less people voted for Romney, than voted for McCain in 2008. How can that be?
McCain 2008 59,934,814
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008)
Romney 2012 56,461,412
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php (http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php)
Obama 2012 59,127,919
Obama 2008 69,456,897
So despite the fact that Obama lost 10 million votes between 2008 and 2012, overall voting was down in 2012, and there was less republican turnout for Romney than there was for McCain.
It defies logic.
The bottom line............
I guess we need to be mad at republicans. According to the numbers, Obama enjoyed a popular vote that was roughly even to the number that McCain had in 2008. Within 800,000.
For whatever reason, if we are to believe the numbers, millions of conservatives/republicans simply decided to sit out the 2012 election. :confused:
My hat's off to CBS. Even though 10 million voters abandoned Obama, they nailed the outcome two weeks in advance of the elections.
Rush is talking about these numbers right now.
I wonder if he knows about the proportional accuracy of the CBS TV scroll?
Did you hear the caller on Glenn Beck about the voter fraud that occurred in Allen West's district? They're investigating. Pretty scary stuff that went on in PLAIN SIGHT
Quote from: Yawn on November 08, 2012, 09:38:00 AM
Did you hear the caller on Glenn Beck about the voter fraud that occurred in Allen West's district? They're investigating. Pretty scary stuff that went on in PLAIN SIGHT
Yep. The group of people that sat for hours and marked military ballots, with no oversight.
I'd actually prefer to find out that the election was stolen through cheating, rather than deal with the idea that most Americans are happy with utter disaster.
Well, we had, according to Rush, 3 million registered Republicans who weren't motivated to vote.
If they voted, we would have won.
If Demonrats didn't engage in voter fraud, we would have won
But Democrats do--always, and Republicans didn't give a damn.
Quote from: Yawn on November 08, 2012, 10:48:28 AM
Well, we had, according to Rush, 3 million registered Republicans who weren't motivated to vote.
If they voted, we would have won.
If Demonrats didn't engage in voter fraud, we would have won
But Democrats do--always, and Republicans didn't give a damn.
That's part of the problem. In 04 there was no cheating, Bush won, and the dems went absolutely nuts. The votes had to be counted over and over again.
This year, the dems got caught cheating all over the place, and the GOP shrugs their shoulders and says, "oh well".
Quote from: Yawn on November 07, 2012, 03:18:52 PM
What are your sources? I'd like to read them.
http://foxnewsinsider.com/tag/voter-fraud/ (http://foxnewsinsider.com/tag/voter-fraud/)
These are the video clips I watched yesterday. The non-Ohio story I mentioned was off Facebook, I looked for other sources, and could not find it. I know most people here won't look at fb, so I'll consider that one un-vetted, we'll toss it out.
Thanks. I'm keeping my own record. I know nothing will be done, but we'll have it for future battles.
Quote from: Yawn on November 08, 2012, 01:14:56 PM
Thanks. I'm keeping my own record. I know nothing will be done, but we'll have it for future battles.
I know it does not help, but the vote change issues with the touch screen voting has been turned over to the FBI.
Quote from: kramarat on November 08, 2012, 12:26:58 PM
That's part of the problem. In 04 there was no cheating, Bush won, and the dems went absolutely nuts. The votes had to be counted over and over again.
This year, the dems got caught cheating all over the place, and the GOP shrugs their shoulders and says, "oh well".
Hey, look! Another one of my predictions turned out to be spot on:
conservatives whining about voter fraud!Never mind the various GOP members who resigned over voter fraud controversy. Never mind voter ID laws. Never mind the fact that Obama led in almost all national and state polls prior to the election. It was obviously voter fraud. :rolleyes:
Maybe you social conservative loonies turned moderates away? You guys are pathetic: America is a center-right nation, but you still lose to Obama.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 08, 2012, 01:30:27 PM
Hey, look! Another one of my predictions turned out to be spot on: conservatives whining about voter fraud!
Never mind the various GOP members who resigned over voter fraud controversy. Never mind voter ID laws. Never mind the fact that Obama led in almost all national and state polls prior to the election. It was obviously voter fraud. :rolleyes:
Maybe you social conservative loonies turned moderates away? You guys are pathetic: America is a center-right nation, but you still lose to Obama.
Calm down. I never said we lost because of voter fraud, in fact I pointed out that one of the judges asked to leave in Cyahoga county was Republican, my personal issue is that fraud is happening. Even the UN poll watchers were shocked at how trusting we were in our voting process and how open we leave ourselves to fraud.
Quote from: JustKari on November 08, 2012, 01:35:14 PM
Calm down. I never said we lost because of voter fraud,
Since when was I talking to you? :huh:
Quotein fact I pointed out that one of the judges asked to leave in Cyahoga county was Republican, my personal issue is that fraud is happening. Even the UN poll watchers were shocked at how trusting we were in our voting process and how open we leave ourselves to fraud.
If fraud did occur, it was from the Right.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 08, 2012, 01:41:20 PM
If fraud did occur, it was from the Right.
Produce the evidence. Never mind.
I'll speak for you:
"Those Republicans demand photo ID. We all know that's only to suppress the minority vote! Damn Republicans!"
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 08, 2012, 01:30:27 PM
Hey, look! Another one of my predictions turned out to be spot on: conservatives whining about voter fraud!
Never mind the various GOP members who resigned over voter fraud controversy. Never mind voter ID laws. Never mind the fact that Obama led in almost all national and state polls prior to the election. It was obviously voter fraud. :rolleyes:
Maybe you social conservative loonies turned moderates away? You guys are pathetic: America is a center-right nation, but you still lose to Obama.
Once again, it appears that you haven't been paying attention.
A CBS affiliate in Phoenix scrolled election results across the bottom of their screen on Oct 19. The elections didn't take place until Nov 6. Proportionally, the Oct 19 CBS results were almost dead on, with both the polls and the actual results.
I find this confusing and impossible, since the election hadn't been held yet. Please explain.
That's what this thread is about.
Quote from: kramarat on November 08, 2012, 02:28:44 PM
Once again, it appears that you haven't been paying attention.
A CBS affiliate in Phoenix scrolled election results across the bottom of their screen on Oct 19. The elections didn't take place until Nov 6. Proportionally, the Oct 19 CBS results were almost dead on, with both the polls and the actual results.
I find this confusing and impossible, since the election hadn't been held yet. Please explain.
That's what this thread is about.
To coin a popular commercial, the chances of that are like getting mauled by a polar bear, and a regular bear in the same day.
I don't really think there was any Democratic voter fraud, just a lot of dumb voters
Quote from: MichaelJ on November 08, 2012, 02:43:52 PM
I don't really think there was any Democratic voter fraud, just a lot of dumb voters
The fraud has already been exposed as fact.............as have the large degree of dumb, ignorant voters.
I'm actually hoping that fraud won the election. The alternative is that the great American experiment will be ending soon.
Quote from: kramarat on November 08, 2012, 02:51:47 PM
The fraud has already been exposed as fact.............as have the large degree of dumb, ignorant voters.
I'm actually hoping that fraud won the election. The alternative is that the great American experiment will be ending soon.
Here's logical reasoning 101 for you:
If Obama won only by voter fraud, how was Nate Silver able to predict 50 out of 50 states?
Secret inside polling numbers? No, those would (according to you) support Romney, or inaccurately support Obama.
Did he have intricate knowledge of the precise quantity of voter fraud that would be implemented in every state?
Sam Wang knew about it too, I guess. So did Huffington post, election betting sites and even Rasmussen reports!
The conspiracy you are building up here challenges the intricacy and complexity of 911-truthers.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 08, 2012, 03:10:03 PM
Here's logical reasoning 101 for you:
If Obama won only by voter fraud, how was Nate Silver able to predict 50 out of 50 states?
Secret inside polling numbers? No, those would (according to you) support Romney, or inaccurately support Obama.
Did he have intricate knowledge of the precise quantity of voter fraud that would be implemented in every state?
Sam Wang knew about it too, I guess. So did Huffington post, election betting sites and even Rasmussen reports!
The conspiracy you are building up here challenges the intricacy and complexity of 911-truthers.
How did a CBS affiliate have proportionally accurate numbers two weeks before the election? Try to stay focused.
Yes, they matched Nate Silver's predictions. Do you suppose he watched People's Court in Pheonix? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Sancho on November 15, 2012, 10:46:21 AM
Hey all! I was doing a search on voter fraud and another message board came up as they discussed this GPS thread:
http://www.modern-radio.com/board/t.php?id=63974
(http://link)
It's a "music board" full of progressives that all live in a petri dish of utopian socialist fantasy. It's interesting to see them laugh and point at others that believe in freedom. (I noticed that they like to go to tea party boards and poke fun at them too) Seems to be moderated to keep out any opposing opinions.
It's a good veiw of just how they think!
I looked at it. It's incomprehensible. Looks like random thoughts on a twitter board. :confused:
Quote from: kramarat on November 15, 2012, 11:13:07 AM
I looked at it. It's incomprehensible. Looks like random thoughts on a twitter board. :confused:
Troll plugging his own worthless crap.
Quote from: Solar on November 15, 2012, 01:24:07 PM
Troll plugging his own worthless crap.
No information, no links, no sense.........
It was kinda like a forum where libs take turns giving each other back rubs and cussing out the Tea Party. I was only there for a minute, and it made me feel dirty. :biggrin:
Quote from: kramarat on November 15, 2012, 01:28:07 PM
No information, no links, no sense.........
It was kinda like a forum where libs take turns giving each other back rubs and cussing out the Tea Party. I was only there for a minute, and it made me feel dirty. :biggrin:
Hope you wiped your feet before you came back. :toungsmile:
Quote from: kramarat on November 15, 2012, 01:28:07 PM
No information, no links, no sense.........
It was kinda like a forum where libs take turns giving each other back rubs and cussing out the Tea Party. I was only there for a minute, and it made me feel dirty. :biggrin:
Always be prepared, you never know when you might stumble into a lib forum.
Full body condoms are the first line of defense.....
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Quote from: JustKari on November 15, 2012, 01:32:51 PM
Hope you wiped your feet before you came back. :toungsmile:
:thumbsup: