QuoteWhat is the Islamic State?

Where did it come from, and what are its intentions? The simplicity of these questions can be deceiving, and few Western leaders seem to know the answers. In December, The New York Times published confidential comments by Major General Michael K. Nagata, the Special Operations commander for the United States in the Middle East, admitting that he had hardly begun figuring out the Islamic State's appeal. "We have not defeated the idea," he said. "We do not even understand the idea." In the past year, President Obama has referred to the Islamic State, variously, as "not Islamic" and as al-Qaeda's "jayvee team," statements that reflected confusion about the group, and may have contributed to significant strategic errors.

The group seized Mosul, Iraq, last June, and already rules an area larger than the United Kingdom. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has been its leader since May 2010, but until last summer, his most recent known appearance on film was a grainy mug shot from a stay in U.S. captivity at Camp Bucca during the occupation of Iraq. Then, on July 5 of last year, he stepped into the pulpit of the Great Mosque of al-Nuri in Mosul, to deliver a Ramadan sermon as the first caliph in generations—upgrading his resolution from grainy to high-definition, and his position from hunted guerrilla to commander of all Muslims. The inflow of jihadists that followed, from around the world, was unprecedented in its pace and volume, and is continuing.

A very long read.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

Saying the Islamic State in Syria and the Levant isn't about Islam is about as stupid as saying NASCAR isn't about cars!

Good article MAC!

QuoteAll Muslims acknowledge that Muhammad's earliest conquests were not tidy affairs, and that the laws of war passed down in the Koran and in the narrations of the Prophet's rule were calibrated to fit a turbulent and violent time. In Haykel's estimation, the fighters of the Islamic State are authentic throwbacks to early Islam and are faithfully reproducing its norms of war. This behavior includes a number of practices that modern Muslims tend to prefer not to acknowledge as integral to their sacred texts. "Slavery, crucifixion, and beheadings are not something that freakish [jihadists] are cherry-picking from the medieval tradition," Haykel said. Islamic State fighters "are smack in the middle of the medieval tradition and are bringing it wholesale into the present day."

It worked quite well back then instilling fear and submission, why not give it a shot in today's world? Look at what 9/11 did to America!

I would rather have them control Iraq than Iran.

Quote from: dashvinny on February 21, 2015, 04:43:27 AM
I would rather have them control Iraq than Iran.

I'd rather have them all dead than in control of anyplace.

Quote from: dashvinny on February 21, 2015, 04:43:27 AM
I would rather have them control Iraq than Iran.

Do you ever question the doctors on what meds they're prescribing you?

Everyone should read about the first Caliphate.  There were four different Caliphs during that time and all had known Mohammed. This is what I see ISIS doing today. 

Their brand of Islam is very apocalyptic.  To them this is a religious war, whether that's what we want to call it or not, doesn't matter.  That's why they are fighting.

I don't understand the confusion about ISIS and it's goals.  Their stated goals and their methods of murder come directly from the Koran.  Crucifiction and beheading are encouraged and demanded by the Koran and the Hadiths.  Cutting off hands and feet, selling humans into slavery, selling and holding sex slaves, beating women, raping children are all condoned in this barbaric "Religion."  Their basic goal is to take over the world for Islam and they are now very near Italy.  In recent days they have boasted that they will soon take Rome.  Their plan is to subdue the world and establish a world-wide Caliphate, under one grand ayatollah who will have the power of life and death over every human being.  Those of us who refuse to convert to Islam will be beheaded or otherwise killed as were the Coptic Christians in Libya recently. 

I believe Obama to be a Muslim.  I agree with Guiliani that Obama doesn't love this country.  He doesn't even like this country.  His goal, and he is achieving it, is to turn the US over to the Caliphate.  The Muslim Brotherhood, which has infiltrated the top echelons of government has said they will "Conquer from within."  Obama isn't really dithering and is not undecided as to what to do. He is going by the Muslim playbook. 

Obama was born a Muslim and raised as a Muslim by his Indonesian Muslim step-father. He was registered at school in Indonesia as a Muslim.  He has made many statements indicating his religion is Islam, i.e. "If the winds should turn ugly, I will stand with Islam."  He is now standing with Islam.  He knows exactly what the goal of ISIS is and it is his goal, too.   I further believe that he was born in Kenya and is a usurper.  We have no one in this country willing to upset his goals. either because of cowardice or lack of power to do so.  The Republican majority in Congress and the Senate has betrayed the American people.  They made promises to the electorate which they are not fulfilling nor will they.  I suppose the money is too good to resist selling out one's country.

And what is this business of calling the Islamic state, "ISIL."  Every one else outside the administration says ISIS.  Why is that?

Quote from: Charliemyboy on February 21, 2015, 10:35:45 AMAnd what is this business of calling the Islamic state, "ISIL."  Every one else outside the administration says ISIS.  Why is that?

I think it's a media thing. They have different names in different countries. ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria) ISIL (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant) and now IS (Islamic State).  The anti ISIS people in the ME call them DAHSH, which is a derogatory term, so I've read. 

Quote from: Charliemyboy on February 21, 2015, 10:35:45 AM
I don't understand the confusion about ISIS and it's goals.  Their stated goals and their methods of murder come directly from the Koran.  Crucifiction and beheading are encouraged and demanded by the Koran and the Hadiths.  Cutting off hands and feet, selling humans into slavery, selling and holding sex slaves, beating women, raping children are all condoned in this barbaric "Religion."  Their basic goal is to take over the world for Islam and they are now very near Italy.  In recent days they have boasted that they will soon take Rome.  Their plan is to subdue the world and establish a world-wide Caliphate, under one grand ayatollah who will have the power of life and death over every human being.  Those of us who refuse to convert to Islam will be beheaded or otherwise killed as were the Coptic Christians in Libya recently. 

I believe Obama to be a Muslim.  I agree with Guiliani that Obama doesn't love this country.  He doesn't even like this country.  His goal, and he is achieving it, is to turn the US over to the Caliphate.  The Muslim Brotherhood, which has infiltrated the top echelons of government has said they will "Conquer from within."  Obama isn't really dithering and is not undecided as to what to do. He is going by the Muslim playbook. 

Obama was born a Muslim and raised as a Muslim by his Indonesian Muslim step-father. He was registered at school in Indonesia as a Muslim.  He has made many statements indicating his religion is Islam, i.e. "If the winds should turn ugly, I will stand with Islam."  He is now standing with Islam.  He knows exactly what the goal of ISIS is and it is his goal, too.   I further believe that he was born in Kenya and is a usurper.  We have no one in this country willing to upset his goals. either because of cowardice or lack of power to do so.  The Republican majority in Congress and the Senate has betrayed the American people.  They made promises to the electorate which they are not fulfilling nor will they.  I suppose the money is too good to resist selling out one's country.

And what is this business of calling the Islamic state, "ISIL."  Every one else outside the administration says ISIS.  Why is that?

I agree with all of this.  The trick is to get the dems to believe it. 

Quote from: tac on February 21, 2015, 04:49:25 AM
I'd rather have them all dead than in control of anyplace.

We got  rid of Saddam so Isis is the next best option. Obama and the right wing want to fight for Iran and the nation that dismembered our troops.

Quote from: Charliemyboy on February 21, 2015, 10:35:45 AM
I don't understand the confusion about ISIS and it's goals.  Their stated goals and their methods of murder come directly from the Koran.  Crucifiction and beheading are encouraged and demanded by the Koran and the Hadiths.  Cutting off hands and feet, selling humans into slavery, selling and holding sex slaves, beating women, raping children are all condoned in this barbaric "Religion."  Their basic goal is to take over the world for Islam and they are now very near Italy.  In recent days they have boasted that they will soon take Rome.  Their plan is to subdue the world and establish a world-wide Caliphate, under one grand ayatollah who will have the power of life and death over every human being.  Those of us who refuse to convert to Islam will be beheaded or otherwise killed as were the Coptic Christians in Libya recently. 

I believe Obama to be a Muslim.  I agree with Guiliani that Obama doesn't love this country.  He doesn't even like this country.  His goal, and he is achieving it, is to turn the US over to the Caliphate.  The Muslim Brotherhood, which has infiltrated the top echelons of government has said they will "Conquer from within."  Obama isn't really dithering and is not undecided as to what to do. He is going by the Muslim playbook. 

Obama was born a Muslim and raised as a Muslim by his Indonesian Muslim step-father. He was registered at school in Indonesia as a Muslim.  He has made many statements indicating his religion is Islam, i.e. "If the winds should turn ugly, I will stand with Islam."  He is now standing with Islam.  He knows exactly what the goal of ISIS is and it is his goal, too.   I further believe that he was born in Kenya and is a usurper.  We have no one in this country willing to upset his goals. either because of cowardice or lack of power to do so.  The Republican majority in Congress and the Senate has betrayed the American people.  They made promises to the electorate which they are not fulfilling nor will they.  I suppose the money is too good to resist selling out one's country.

And what is this business of calling the Islamic state, "ISIL."  Every one else outside the administration says ISIS.  Why is that?

Bottom line:

Iran has butchered more American troops than Isis ever will yet the right wing wants a nuclear Iran to control Iraq and Syria.

Quote from: dashvinny on February 22, 2015, 04:25:20 AM
We got  rid of Saddam so Isis is the next best option. Obama and the right wing want to fight for Iran and the nation that dismembered our troops.

You probably don't realize it, but you are a case study for negative effects in failed drug trials, and have the potential for a huge lawsuit against the drug companies.

Man, get those meds checked. What you perceive, is nowhere near reality.

Quote from: dashvinny on February 22, 2015, 04:27:30 AM
Bottom line:

Iran has butchered more American troops than Isis ever will yet the right wing wants a nuclear Iran to control Iraq and Syria.

I suppose you have hard data to back up your opinion!

Quote from: tac on February 21, 2015, 03:15:11 AM
Good article MAC!

It worked quite well back then instilling fear and submission, why not give it a shot in today's world? Look at what 9/11 did to America!

Yep 9-11 happened and instead of demanding we go off to war to avenge the death of those three thousand fellow citizens in a horrific manner.

We had libs, running around criticizing everything the CnC did too take action against them. (IE: giving aid and comfort to the enemy for the libs who do't grasp that yet)

And libs taking to the floor of the House and Senate almost every other week criticizing, and in at least one case flat out, repeating the bald faced lies of a terrorist scumbag, to accuse our soldiers of wrongdoing where none actually occurred.

(Giving further aid and comfort to the enemy Oh yeah, groups like ISIS do vids of libs in Congress doing that, in their recruitment vids)

And Americans in general who sat apathetically idle, as the government stripped one right after another away from the States, and the people, all in the name of a "safer America"...and "defending the homeland"...never once stopping, to give thought to the fact that by sitting idle while gummamint does that.

We in effect, have let the terrorists achieve their stated goal. Which is to destroy the United States. Because due to their actions, we sat idle, as a nation and in the name of "security concerns" allowed our government, to dictate to us, how we should live, what goods services we should or should not buy, and even what we can and cannot do with out own bodies through all encompassing gummamint healthcare, otherwise known as Obama-don't-care.

I truly don't know which is sadder, the fact that one has to TELL libs this almost daily in our nation today.

Or the fact that Americans, on BOTH sides of the isle, who have been complicit in aiding these terrorist scumbags are still in our government, at it's highest levels.

Doing everything they can on a daily basis, to turn America from being the Constitutional Republic it's supposed to be.
Where the rule of law, in particular our Constitutional laws, are the highest judgement.

Into the America the terrorists dearly want to see, an America where no we don't have any rights, such as the right to worship who we see fit.

Into the America which is run by a single strong man, a OBozo Harrumph style Afrikaner dictator.