Quote from: Solar on July 14, 2012, 05:12:45 PM

IN other words, when a wealthy Canadian get s injured, he hops a flight to the US for care.

5 of us from this forum could invade Canada and own it...

Quote from: taxed on July 14, 2012, 07:06:05 PM
5 of us from this forum could invade Canada and own it...

Way to respect Canada's servicemen and servicewomen.  Feel better now?

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 14, 2012, 07:10:05 PM
Way to respect Canada's servicemen and servicewomen.  Feel better now?

Oh stop.  I love Canada.  It's just that I have a standard of living.

Quote from: taxed on July 14, 2012, 07:11:30 PM
Oh stop.  I love Canada.  It's just that I have a standard of living.

Don't backtrack on your bullshit.  You just implied that the Canadian military is incompetent enough so that you and four internet posters could occupy it.  Good luck on that!

Canada doesn't need a big military, partially because they have us as a neighbor, and partially because they have no real enemies.  The "America needs 30 aircraft carriers to maintain national security!" begs the question of why Costa Rica has no standing army, is landlocked, and does just fine.


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Quote from: taxed on July 14, 2012, 01:12:41 PM
Not for a while.  You people seriously live in the 1980s.  I love Canada, don't get me wrong, but I couldn't live there, because I have a standard of living.

Oh, come on.  The '80s were the years of Reagan; surely you love those times.   

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All Canadians are clueless.

And given that your conclusion is still incorrect given this ridiculous premise, I'll just continue to laugh at your complete inability to utilize logic 101.

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You have no point.  You are a joke. 

The irony here is just as delicious as Solar defending Reagan's tripling of the deficit: "but the democrats controlled the house!"

QuoteUsually when I talk with someone like you, I am talking to them while I'm looking overhead at a menu.  I am a higher class because our capitalist system allowed me to succeed.  You are stuck in a rut with the rest of your Canadian drones (unless you were born into money in Canada).

Blah blah blah.  When you say "you have no point" and then proceed to go on a completely unrelated rant with no relevance whatsoever to health care, and then fail to grasp the irony here, you clearly never paid attention in your high school english class.  Useless as liberal arts majors may be, you certainly took things too far here.

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Genius, experience trumps all.  I understand you won't buy into anything until a socialist or one of your hypocritical politicians tells it to you,

Not that.  More like statistical data.

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Sorry dude, your system is seriously crap, and I wouldn't wish your health care system on one of my enemies.

Even if waiting times for non-emergency situations were significantly longer in Canada than over here, it still beats fifteen percent of our nation not having health insurance.  Sixty percent of bankruptcies are a result of medical bills.

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Dude, anything.  How about a simple MRI?  Pets in Canada have better health care than Canadian humans!  You people are seriously odd.

Which is why the World Health Organization rates it higher than the United States, and even Stephen Harper had to promise Canadians he would avoid an American health care system at all costs...oh, wait, the WHO is full of communists, and Canadians are idiots.

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He brought cameras and interviews people, genius.  That's not opinion.

I hope that you do not think interviewing "random" people on a television show is a foolproof study.

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Your health care system isn't good for anyone! What are you talking about "for the wealthy"??

I'm still laughing at your insistence that "our" health care system is referring to Canada's.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 20, 2012, 03:47:06 PM
Don't backtrack on your bullshit.  You just implied that the Canadian military is incompetent enough so that you and four internet posters could occupy it.  Good luck on that!

Canada doesn't need a big military, partially because they have us as a neighbor, and partially because they have no real enemies.  The "America needs 30 aircraft carriers to maintain national security!" begs the question of why Costa Rica has no standing army, is landlocked, and does just fine.

I'm not backtracking, I really do love Canada.  Canada is great to get away from civilization.

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Oh, come on.  The '80s were the years of Reagan; surely you love those times.   

I was born in '74, but I'm sure I would have loved it as an adult.

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And given that your conclusion is still incorrect given this ridiculous premise, I'll just continue to laugh at your complete inability to utilize logic 101.

I'm not here to teach you history.  You need to learn on your own.

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The irony here is just as delicious as Solar defending Reagan's tripling of the deficit: "but the democrats controlled the house!"

Again, you have no clue what you're talking about.

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Blah blah blah.  When you say "you have no point" and then proceed to go on a completely unrelated rant with no relevance whatsoever to health care, and then fail to grasp the irony here, you clearly never paid attention in your high school english class.  Useless as liberal arts majors may be, you certainly took things too far here.

"English" is capitalized, Mr. Educated.

QuoteNot that.  More like statistical data.

Wrong.

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Even if waiting times for non-emergency situations were significantly longer in Canada than over here, it still beats fifteen percent of our nation not having health insurance.  Sixty percent of bankruptcies are a result of medical bills.

First of all, they ARE significantly longer.  Don't phrase it like your wait times may or may not be longer.  You may be perfectly fine with your wait times, if you guys even do provide the procedure in the first place, but believe me, us Americans would be miserable under that system.  Just ask these people:
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/canada%27s-health-care-is-so-good/#lastPost

Secondly, the main reason costs are high is because of government intervention.  The more government is removed from the health care system, the better it becomes.

Question: are Canadian wait time longer?  Yes or no?  I want to see if you'll answer this straight on, or if you'll avoid it like the plague.

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Which is why the World Health Organization rates it higher than the United States, and even Stephen Harper had to promise Canadians he would avoid an American health care system at all costs...oh, wait, the WHO is full of communists, and Canadians are idiots.

Yes, it is comprised of people who would come to the US for anything beyond a sprained ankle.

Learn something about the World Health Organization's ranking system before you act like you know what you're talking about:
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf

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I hope that you do not think interviewing "random" people on a television show is a foolproof study.

It is another exhibit into your crappy system that I wouldn't wish on anyone. Crowder is Canadian, and those were real Canadians.  I have had long talks with a few Canadian doctors.  Your crappy system is no secret, I hate to tell you.  Just ask Danny Williams.

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I'm still laughing at your insistence that "our" health care system is referring to Canada's.

You are Canadian.  You are from Canada.  You come here and say how your system is better.  What are you laughing about?

Quote from: taxed on July 21, 2012, 12:35:35 PM
I'm not backtracking, I really do love Canada.  Canada is great to get away from civilization.

The wilds of Toronto or jungles of Vancouver a bit much, eh?  I hear they're taking heads out in Newfoundland, and by God you'd better watch it around those Calgary people, they're likely to duct-tape you to the hockey-net, just to hear how loud you can scream during the playoffs.

QuoteYou are Canadian.  You are from Canada.  You come here and say how your system is better.  What are you laughing about?

Oh, realllllllllly? He's out of Canuckistan? Okay, that explains it......   

Bumped for Sci Fi, our resident Marxist...

Quote from: taxed on July 21, 2012, 12:35:35 PM
I'm not backtracking, I really do love Canada.  Canada is great to get away from civilization.

How does this justify your disrespect of the Canadian armed forces?

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I was born in '74, but I'm sure I would have loved it as an adult.

Right.  Because the fact that the income gap increased significantly, and the federal deficit tripled, during Reagan's time, would not have bothered you in the slightest.  Never mind the fact that he secretly negotiated with terrorists and illegal immigrants; two of the cardinal sins of Conservatism.

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I'm not here to teach you history.  You need to learn on your own.
Again, you have no clue what you're talking about.

Your lazy responses would work if I were disputing a given, such as what year Washington was born in.  Given that you have made a complex interpretation of history, you need to provide evidence.

Either no such evidence exists, you lack the brains to find it, or you're just too lazy to do so.

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"English" is capitalized, Mr. Educated.

And this refutes my argument...how?

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Wrong.
First of all, they ARE significantly longer.  Don't phrase it like your wait times may or may not be longer.  You may be perfectly fine with your wait times, if you guys even do provide the procedure in the first place, but believe me, us Americans would be miserable under that system.  Just ask these people:
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/canada%27s-health-care-is-so-good/#lastPost

Out of how many people?  The majority of Canadians are still satisfied with their health care system.  In fact, Stephen Harper and his cronies had to promise that they wouldn't adopt an American privatized health care in order to win office.  The UK's health care system is so revered, they put it in the opening ceremony of the Olympics!   

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Secondly, the main reason costs are high is because of government intervention.  The more government is removed from the health care system, the better it becomes.

Since we've established that we're talking about cost specifically, explain why Canada spends less money on its health care.

You love to throw out theory, and pretend that the outside world doesn't exist, and that the vast disproof of your own hypothesizes isn't real.  Never mind that nations with public health care systems spend less money than we do.  Just like never minding that nations with strict gun control laws have lower crime rates than the States; just claim that gun control doesn't work!

You're like modern communist apologists, who pretend that communism is a perfectly legitimate plan, and nervously dodge questions of how the USSR and Mao-China turned out.

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Question: are Canadian wait time longer?  Yes or no?  I want to see if you'll answer this straight on, or if you'll avoid it like the plague.

Since you haven't really provided evidence, other than non-controlled statistics, I really don't know.  If I had to guess for you, I'd say probably.  But this is easily made up for by:

1. The money it saves.

2. The fact that it covers a significantly larger proportion of the populace.

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Yes, it is comprised of people who would come to the US for anything beyond a sprained ankle.

Learn something about the World Health Organization's ranking system before you act like you know what you're talking about:
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf

It is another exhibit into your crappy system that I wouldn't wish on anyone. Crowder is Canadian, and those were real Canadians.  I have had long talks with a few Canadian doctors.  Your crappy system is no secret, I hate to tell you.  Just ask Danny Williams.

Why can you never draw up statistics beyond anecdotes from random Canadians?

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You are Canadian.  You are from Canada.  You come here and say how your system is better.  What are you laughing about?

I thought I made it clear I was never born there.